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read the capital, which can be found in youtube and locals and america. so we have mark j is an award winning journalist for a startup with georgia in budapest, georgia. you and i've been watching very closely. um, uh, secure res. they blankets of a recent trip say shuttle diplomacy is like to try to do in the, in the middle east, private de escalate. but why speak? cited states? me okay. attacking. yep. and if they're looking for de escalation, when he's explained to me in simple words, because i'm a simple person, go ahead, george. well, i wish i could explain, but as you say, it is, uh, the uh, the boss was of the binding administration other because of nato in general. they can say you're doing one thing and you're doing exactly the opposite. so the email and he goes in there and says, well, i'm trying to de escalate, and that's what the admiral copy of the white house spokesman say, yes, it is what everything we're doing in the m and is in order to de escalate. when one

would we're seeing is what was obvious, radiate from the beginning, wants to buy and the ministration completely. where did it so to israel, elaine and, and what is the gaza? that it is escalating the conflict that was all this of this was going to happen. and it is now launched to these attacks any without any kind the justification in, in international law. i mean there's no un security council resolution. no state has come along and said, hey, can you organize a policy for us and go in and do some bombing for us as a model that has happened. and so they've just launching attacks without the slightest prospect of the it's a of a cheating. success tends, they're only just the vacation as well. it was very discriminative, it was very proportionate and very, it's all gets it. and there's nothing to worry about. the way it's, it's

a new market. it's very interesting is that how government comes back on the scene . but for those of us been watching this has been front and center and regional politics for a very long time. and if you think you can scale the who with these with buckling, i mean you have to be left out of the room. i mean, they have been bombed with american bombs, using cetera. it gets for many, many years. and you get and fortunately, unfortunately, depending how you want to look at of the, the very tenuous, the 2002 it's true said the hold the side with saudi arabia, even the saudis, worried about that because i got the width there as well. so the united states is stoking something, were to go into a direction of like, i always say the law of unintended consequences. yeah, we've, we've been for a number of years now. we've been watching the saudi ration from uh, the, the hutus in what is some more, that's the wisdom bits of them on. i'm still using them and pretending that we don't really, we don't really, i really happy about how they become indiscriminately to hit people waiting

policies. and those are risk images we saw for years and years and years. they got a piece to about a year ago. so this puts saudi arabian already or the position now because how these lights to the west. but i think there's a, there's a huge amount of miscalculation which has happened last few days. and i've been wanting, i've been, i've been saying this on your show for the last few weeks now. the miscalculation was, duties is the, i'm not here. this was a lot in press coverage. this is a warning. so given who did a warning, you know, and who does that is looking at this thinking, you're going to be kidding. you know, say we, we have, we're probably the power is, comes on the planet. we've really been literally, you know, reduced to rubble. we've got nothing left and the worst people in the world. you can 5 people are going to lose. and, and that's really the less than, that's not been hated by the west. so you know, um, so that can be okay, less than this to off poodle. all for a bite, and this been making these statements. you know, it was in ukraine just a few days ago, but just talking about, you know, the, we need to leave, send

a message to the who to use. well, the messages were ready for it. all you up for it, you know, because this is going to talk about what to do with these messages to the united states. and it's a pretend coalition is that what they end up with. these are doing what they're doing in the red sea in solidarity with the, the genocide, a more being that you know, waged in gaza. so if they stop, there's a cold there. there is a ceasefire. been who diesel react accordingly, but that's never part of the story is it is accurate and, and types of shapes the immediate coverage. well, all of the focus is on what the, uh, the quote is, oh, the timeframe with international commas. the freedom of navigation is in danger of an automated everyone just forgets about, well, how many times has the united states boarded rain in ships?

the seas condo with the is. this is a regular think they with you, right? is that who is this is a violation of law sanctions. well, who can said with these a sanctions that have no bases and ends and actual israel, as on a regular basis, found iranian time? cuz there's another color, you know, there's a part of that isn't the threat to freedom of navigation? well charge i, i, i talked to you so often i can actually preempt your thoughts here. so i get a little bit of homework in advance here. i bought george brought up freedom of trade. well, let's take a look here. i did the research the last 9 years while she didn't realize it maintain the blockade of human impeding trade. the us substantially was big strain with north korea, co cuba then as well. russia, china, syria, again as they're in a row. what about the beating train with them finish up george? yeah, no, that's right. there goes to you. k,

which still holds on to venezuela's gold. and uh, you know, the u. k, which your mother again sees than a ready new tank or kept it into bro to because it was filing, essentially providing oil for a serious accident. they got it wrong. he'd be ready around the hope that was the sanction against the syria provide or getting oil, but you know, so they didn't even understand that. so the whole idea that the, the world trade is in danger and therefore we have to the bomb is absolutely nonsensical. and you're actually right in, in what, what you say there's a simple solution. i mean, if you, if you stop with a cease fire, then what has to assume that the uh, the who does campaign against the shipping hit it for israel olive as well. we'll stop, but that's, that's the solution that's off the table right away. well, martin literally started out with talking about the guy to de escalate. he'd have to escalate that, but i need to get my head around that one,

but maybe maybe it'll come to me eventually. but this is sending an indication that the united states is willing, with its junior partner. as usual, i be kind of be headed mcmann of, of foreign policy on the world stage. i hope our viewers gets a reference, but this is just pursuing israel's foreign policy objectives. i don't see what the strategic interest of the family united states are. it's a, it's a short term solution because the, the big thing, cuz the way they are thinking is that we need the destruction away from the genocide because it's getting way too much press coverage. and what better way to do it then to have some strategic strikes. i hate that phrase. it's going to come up again. strategic strikes against these, this rag time. you know, kind of the, literally, they haven't been very strategic and they haven't been pretty precise. that's according to the new york times this morning, even though haven't killed, they haven't killed anybody. and that's the point that i find these haven't filled anyone in this? no, i think this district, the strikes haven't killed anybody. i,

according to bite them uses they have and we will see in a few days it might, could a few people, but he's, he's thinking of it when, when you have this abysmal disrespect for international law going on a gun. so it's only natural that, um, you know, the powers of the world will take as long as it's out to have other, you know, examples of some of disrespect of international law. and that's what we're seeing now. we're seeing kind of it with repeating the on yet every time you employer off, you know, you see something else which, which is you can compare to it. but i think this is the thinking from u. k. and america. is this a small scale? this is very strategic. this could be something manageable under mistakes that make the huge mistake. and i mentioned this in the law. so is the key word here is relationships, you know, which will blink come and bite and i'll kind of king lincoln's going full back was a full list of televisions. he might as a run, the palm of the me want to just live that would have easy enough for everyone. but blinking, apparently and by doing this is probably more talking about this in the 2nd part of

the program. but he might have to share a jail cell with somebody from the appliance and made some telephone calls recently to this. and yahoo apparently, according to the motion to post pleading with him to not make this war escalate further between israel has blocks. so this is what we're trying to avoid. and the idea that we can have a sort of a bite sized conflict in the red seat with the who teach because they don't sit powerful. the one, the pores, countries in the world, you know, and then not a proxy. ok, right? how we should make this distinction there, allies of a run, but another foot proxy. and this is where the mistake lies. the ratings will not take this line down. there will be response, my money would go on a measured response. in other words, the range of very cool headed people is very smart people. they might not respond this week. it might take several months. they may, will decide, let's let the americans do this a bit more. so that when we come back and we do find the hits american soldiers in the rec, for example, without munitions there,

perhaps they'll be some sympathy in the west and some understanding of the west. you know that this is a response. i wouldn't, i wouldn't be too surprised they did that for april and my almost just when, by doing selection, reelection, campaign kicks off, you know, so that might be a result of one of the responses. the other thing that they might, it rings might be thinking about is a strategic strike themselves. and then there's role in loving them so many times now in the last few speeches that i've watched him deliver and by root has mentioned that the new generation roku is the, has no southern j as a 100000 of them. but they, they, the precision of these rockers is pretty scary and he's often mentioned power stations, administrator installations that he could hit. in other words, we can do strategic strikes as well where we don't feel that many is raise, but we put power out for thousands of people. or we, you know, create a new to incident and which generate semester, some of them media attention around the world and chris debates in the u. n. level . i think it's, the strategic strikes might be something that we should watch out for on the

writing side. well, what do you know that it's a rapid rate lowering a ton of, you know, george gates is actually in this conversation around keeps getting mentioned here. i think that's really what it's all about here. i mean, you know, as blog, you know, sponsored by around the who these folks, you know, but again, it is martin puts it out. i mean, they, they, they have moral support, all kinds of support, maybe diplomatic support. but i mean, that's kind of support that, that it ran can afford it has the law and, and the who these is not comparable with the united states that is with israel. but it's a way, i mean, again, you know, for, for a make for western public school thing is, well, you know, what do you use? well, what are you talking about? read? oh, i read that always extra, but they want to push george. yes, exactly. and i know without a question, there are many, many people in washington who are itching to have a war with iraq. that is, say they, you know, they, lately, they haven't quite got bad war with russia off the ground. you know, they were busy with that for the past couple of years,

or maybe we can get one of the grown up with a wrong year. we have obviously vicky, hey, they isn't far from saying that lindsey graham is a brothers and the assumption on the line. all of this is, of course i will iran or his bowl about they will be the grown ups in the room so we can do what we like. but we can rely on, you know, russia, china, his ball, a iran, you know, they will be accident restraint way. well, they may, well, they may not. all right, hold that, thought george, we have to go to a quick break. and after that quick break, we'll continue our discussion on somebody on the state, the cartridge, the show room just don't have to shape house and engagement equals the trails. when so many find themselves will depart, we choose to look for common ground,

the the welcome back to process boulevards. i'm peters about your mind you were discussing. so we'll minutes. okay, let's go back to martin their cash. obviously one of the biggest news out there right now is the young genocide case against israel sponsored by south africa. and it's actually quite fascinating and it's for me, it's almost kind of a turning point. the paradigm shift the merits of the south african case for a non lawyer. and i think it was written very well for non lawyers to understand that was part of it. okay. very, very comprehensive, very um, in the silver in its presentation, in written form. and then oral arguments,

these really response well as well. they're just sarah, good stuff, i'm us, they are allies from us. i mean, they had it in the south africans presented a breed, but it's legal and comprehensible with these really is made their brief political. okay. if you disagree with as you are, you work with that you're a terrorist, you work with a mouse and all of that, it's a very bad look and it's not an argument mark. and these ladies lent very heavily on this idea of self defense. but it doesn't work, and it's nationalism or you're all complying, a part of your own country. and in this case, um, does that. so it doesn't, the argument's gonna hold up. i think this is going to be a test case for the code itself. i think this'll be a make to make a break. you know, a lot of the skeptical gentleness. let myself kind of look at it and think, is this going to be a pay or exercise? is it going to be a way of the west taking a box and saying, well, you know, we took these rails to the quote, you know, but they cut off on a fine detail. oh,

oh, we do punish them. but how do we go about punishing them? you know, how do we, how does it, how does that happen? i've got a feeling, i've got a really bad feeling and deep down that it is going to get focused somehow along the way. you know that we're not going to get, you know, the, the lucid and uncompromising outcome that we hope for which is to make a president against israel and say, look, you're breaking international. know this is a genocide. let's go to stop. i know those people involve letting us know who and all those of generals of going to be pulled into the course, you know, like like noon, but trial say to the best way we should be going with this now. but you know, it's, it's hard to say whether we will, this actually will lead in any one particular direction. i'm really, i, i fuck, you know, i'm not really sure it, you know, in a sense, george, i don't, i'm not really convinced it really matters. ok is because it is all okay, this has already been made. it is that the brought into a proper recognized venue. it is from a nation state in good standing. ok. a nation statements south africa that knows

something about apartheid in and colonial rule. and they've got a lot of, they scored a lot of points in the corner and i, i do not deny there's public relations all over the place. it's not denied that, but it's towards which the court itself is very politicized. these are representatives of nation states and they're going to vote accordingly to politics . so i'm, i'm not sure it really matters at the end of the day. the fact that israel is in the dock is enough for the world to turn around and say these last about the genocide convention were made because of the suffering of european jews in the 1940s. and now here you are. that is a very powerful message, george. so i agree that it is powerful and particularly because of its israel. this in the dog and the genocide convention was off for oil created precisely in

response to what happened to the jews in world war 2. and so if they're in the dog, i mean, that's a, that's a real come down from the days of 1948 when the united nations voted on it. however, the problem is that this notion of genocide has now been so polluted in the end of the so many of the states have now banded this around and have gone to the international court of justice with that accusation. but it's law states resonance . so, you know, we have of bosnia and herzegovina, they broke this genocide case against the so this, when we know that dragging them for years in the, in the, the, the quote didn't say. so it'd be, i was guilty of a genocide in bosnia herzegovina. then we'll go, we have correlation, that proto genocide group case against the so it'd be into and then go to genocide case it gains probation. both will dismiss the eventually by the quote. now we've

got down this really genocide case against me. m. uh that spending both ukraine as, as the genocide case against russia and the going to be more, you know, there's gonna be a dentist like basically the better. but the fact that it is real is in the dark. i think it is very, very significant, and possibly in the 1st part of the week we bought brother and we talked about the secretary of state anthony blinking. well, you know, he's in a panic mode and it's obvious when he speaks in public t as possible. he is a co conspirator in all of this the, all of the ones you mentioned, georgia are very important there. germane, and they're testing international law. but now we have very recognizable, powerful players being held to account. and i think that is significant. what do you think some are? yeah, i think link to this part. okay. you can see it now. i mean, he, he, there is this palpable sense of a notice in and how he speaks because he's starting to join up with adults and he's starting to think this could go very, very badly for the part,

the ministration and the shots longer to, you know, if some, i think perhaps your point of view about it being enough to the cases, the thing that may will be actually the basis for it to be focused finally is the people will we struck this out and say, look, we got to the quote that's not the bad martin, is it that the court, it doesn't it, at the end of the day it doesn't seek justice, it's still a political oregon. so i think that be the global public opinion will be satisfied . there's a process of, at least the process was started and they went through it, but the outcome it will be a political gambit. so that's why i say it's kind of good enough, but i won't be happy with the outcome if it's politically to terminates. nato countries versus the rest of the world. then it's a joke. yeah, they won't be very, very codes especially for oh, so as i said exactly where i want to go. yeah,

the gold, you know, i'm no, i don't need around the world, but it's really late as a next it or is generation of is ready? lead is my will realize that, well we've, we've created precedent now, you know, where by israel, the 3rd country where this quote was created to protect it originally from the magic footage in the follicles. now israel can be an adult and can be an individual, it's kind of be held accountable. so it may well spock a new level account of both your new level of governance. but in a short time, in the short time we've, we've got a world war 3, breaking out a, we've been talking about this for weeks now. and that as of today, you know, i wonder what we'll be talking about in 7 days time next week because, you know, the way things are looking now we're hitting, the who sees, and iran now is looking at the map of the reach. and i'm seeing, i'm hearing how this america is america's going public biden's going, sorry, but open. i think it's probably a foolish mistakes make military speaking, but he's actually declared when old is witnesses, all he doesn't at any cost,

won't will with hezbollah, that may well be a factor of the range we looked at now to how do we split that? how do we track this up one notch so that we all know the ones who are escalating to de escalate? i think this, the foot of the boot is going to be put on the other foot and it could help them very, very quickly. well, we could very well be talking about this next week and the weeks afterwards, but george, one more point and it's already been slightly mentioned here. and i think it's really important is that, you know, a lot of these ideas about international law and even kind of big the political job and legal charges that we have about human rights and international humanitarian law is stem from, from the west because of the, for the world wars of the, of the last century, i'm talking about the ideas of genocide or the word genocide is actually a relatively new word. but what i think is really interesting. georgia is if you have the global sol embracing these ideas and putting the west in

the dock and i think the south african it's white. so a part of the country like south africa, is doing this because it is a country that is a, that was colonized and, and we come, we have the word of apartheid it because of south africa. it's very interesting, this paradigm shift with western ideas and the hope of western. instead, the western design institutions could actually work for the rest of the world. even though the west itself won't of honor the, the spirit and letter of those institutions and id id is a. well, it's an interesting way to look at it is, um, we have a lesson powers control. most of the institutions because they international criminal court, which, you know, most of the world signed on to accept the great powers. and the leading west involved the and i to say, well, who has been targeted by the i c,

c. the countries of the global south area all the states, uh, the african, it's a, it's africans, middle easterners and always be their favorite hatred. the search. exactly. and then, and now they've done that, they've, they've gone off to russia, but it goes on, but not a great deal that they can do about that as, and this is the part of the yes, the, the west has been promo, they did all of these doctrines however, the idea was that it wasn't, they're not going to be applied against us. so we're gonna apply them against all is i'm going to show the world how virtue is we are and how we adhere to international law. but you know, you can't do it to us. and so the, you know, with, with blinking and by the, you know, they were writing high when the, the i c, c, issue, the arrest warrant against the president, pull to as well. you know, hey, you know, international lawyers marking boeing, you know, when you've got now,

in the case of god that was already the americans and the germans have condemned south africa, so sued. and of course, that would be outraged if you would you say that they can damned it on its merits or because of politics, it will process like it's not as much as politics because they're undermining the institution that they actually created. that's my point much, but walk more profitably. plenty of time. go ahead. yeah, i, you know, i think the will be going to learn what we're going to see. so i think with this case, so even if it doesn't reach a final point, the final conclusion is that for the 1st time i think we're going to see a new generation, a new wave of countries around the world who will make a stand against israel. so israel, one way, all the, all the of the end of all this is going to face a new position around the world and a new, a boy color those sanctions, whatever you want to call them on a personal level and a corporate level on the country by country level,

so i think that's important point to, to take away we didn't mention your claim. so this finish up. but it's interesting developments which are going on at the same time. and you can do the same problem, same from the lack of governance. and so tell spend bonuses and the rules based on this lovely expression you know, is always applied. it would be the primary purpose is marlin georgia. i think that i think this is a pretty good hope. i think i can go to the bank with it that we won't be hearing that term for married very has changed. goodness. all right, gentlemen, that's all the time when i think my guess in budapest and america's and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are easy and next time remember process was the

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