the, the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered 9 people live out in the spot like washington says it wants to de escalate regional tensions. but instead expands the conflict. this administration is simply out of control. also, what are we to make of south africa's legal breed? charging israel with genocide in gosh, to discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my usual guess george. send me well we in budapest, he's a pod cast, read the capital which can be found in youtube and locals and america. we have mark j is an award winning journalist for i start out with georgia in budapest, georgia. you and i been watching very closely. securities, they blinked hands of a recent trip. se shuttle diplomacy is like the trying to do in that in the middle east, private de escalate. but why is the cited states me okay. attacking happening,

if they're looking for de escalation, please explain to me in simple words because i'm a simple person. go ahead, george. well, i wish i could explain, but as you say, it is, uh, the, uh, the boss was all the bind in administration other because of nato in general. they can say you're doing one thing and you're doing exactly the opposite. so the email and he goes in there says, well, i'm trying to de escalate, and that's what the admiral copy of the white house spokesman say yes, you know what, everything we're doing in the m and in order to de escalate. when one would we're seeing is what was obvious really from the beginning, once the by and the ministration completely. where that itself to israel in and what is the gaza, that it is escalating the conflict that was all this of this was going to happen. and it is now launched to these attacks, really without any kind. the justification is in international law. i mean,

there's no un security council resolution, no state has come along and said, hey, can you organize a policy for us and go in and do some bombing for us as a model that has happened? um, and so they've just a little launching attacks without the slightest prospect of the it's a of a cheating success. hence their only justification is, well, it was very discriminative. it was very proportionate and very, it's all gets it. and there's nothing to worry about the way it is in the market. it's very interesting is that how government comes back on the scene. but for those of us been watching this has been front and center and regional politics for a very long time. and if you think you can scale to who with these with buckling, i mean you have to be left out of the room. i mean, they have been bombed with american bombs using cetera. it gets for many, many years. and you get and fortunately, unfortunately, depending how you want to look at of the, the very tenuous,

2000 to choose that the hope these had with you maybe even the saudis worried about that because i got the width there as well. so the united states is stoking something, were to go into a direction of like, i always say the law of unintended consequences. you know, we've, we've been for a number of years now. we've been watching the saudi ration from the the, who t's in what is some more or less the wisdom bits of human. i'm still using them and pretending that we don't already whenever you are really happy about how they become indiscriminately to hit people waiting policies. and those are risk images we saw for years and years and years. they got a piece to about a year ago. so this puts saudi arabian already or the position now because how these lights to the west. but i think there's a, there's a huge amount of miscalculation which has happened the last few days. and i've been wanting, i've been, i've been saying this on your show for the last few weeks now. the miscalculation with 2 t's is the, i'm not here. this was a lot in press coverage. this is

a warning. so given who did a warning, you know, and who does this looking at this thinking? you're going to be kidding. it says, wait, wait, wait, wait for the pores, come see on the planet we've, we've been literally, you know, reduced to rubble. we've got nothing left and the worst people in the world. you can 5 people are going to lose. and, and that's really the less them that's not been hated by the west. so you know, um, so that can be okay, less than this to off poodle. all for a bite and miss been making these statements. you know, it was in ukraine just a few days ago, but just talking about, you know, the, we need to wait, send a message to the who to use. well, the messages were ready for it. all. you up for it, you know, because this is going to talk about what to do with these messages to the united states. and it's a pretend coalition is that what they and the who these are doing, what they're doing in the red sea and solidarity with the me genocide, a more being that know waged in god so. so if they stop, there's

a cold there. there is a cease fire been who diesel react accordingly, but that's never part of the story is it is like it. right. and, and types shapes the immediate coverage. well, all of the focus is on what the, uh, the quote is, oh, the timeframe with international commas. the freedom of navigation is in danger. so, i mean, i won't just forget that. uh well, um, how many times has the united states boarded, uranian ships, the seas condo with the is. this is a regular thing. they with you, right? is that who is this is a violation of law sanctions. well, who can said with these a sanctions that have no basis and ends and actual israel, as on a regular basis, found iranian time? cuz there's another color, you know, this part is that isn't the threat to freedom of navigation. well charge i, i,

i talked to you so often i can actually preempt your thoughts here. so i get a little bit of homework in advance here. i lied. george brought up freedom of trade. well, let's take a look here. i did the research a past 9 years while she didn't realize it, maintain the blockade of the admin impeding trade. the us substantially was big strain with north korea, co cuba then as well. russia, china, syria, afghanistan, era. what about the meeting? try with the finish of george. yeah, no, that's right for you to go. so you k, which still holds onto venezuela's gold. and uh, you know, the u. k, which your mother again, sees the iranian tank or kept it um into bro, to because it was filing, essentially providing oil specific actions. they got it wrong. it be right there on the top, there was no sanction or guys most area provide or getting oil, but you know, so they didn't even understand that. so the whole idea that the,

the world trade is in danger, and therefore we have to the bomb is absolutely nonsensical. and you're actually right in, in what, what you said, there's a simple solution. and if you, if you stop with a ceasefire, then we'll have to assume that the uh, the who does campaign against the shipping hit it for israel olive as well. we'll stop. but that's, that's the solution that's off the table right away. well, maybe we started out with talking about the guy to de escalate. he'd have to escalate that, but i need to get my head around that one, but maybe maybe it'll come to me eventually. but this is sending an indication that the united states is willing, with its junior partner. as usual, i be kind of be headed mcmann, of, of foreign policy on the world stage. i hope our viewers get the reference. but this is just pursuing israel's foreign policy objectives. i don't see what the strategic interest of the family united states are. it's a, it's

a short term solution because the big thing, cuz the way they are thinking is that we need a distraction away from the genocide because it's getting way too much press coverage. and what better way to do it then to have some strategic strikes. i hate that phrase. it's going to come up again. strategic strikes against these, this rag time. you know, kind of the, literally, they haven't been very strategic and they haven't been pretty precise. that's according to the new york times this morning. even though i haven't killed they haven't killed anybody, i must the point that one of these have to anyone in this? no, i think this district strikes haven't killed anybody i according to by to do says they have and we will see in a few days you might could a few people, but he's, he's thinking of it when, when you have this abysmal disrespect for international law going on a gun, so it's only natural that um, you know, the powers of the world will take as long as you thought to have other, you know, examples of some of disrespect of international law. and that's what we're seeing now. we're seeing kind of what repeating the on, you know, every time you employer off, you know, you see something else which,

which is you can compare to it. but i think this is the thinking from u. k. and america, is this a small scale? this is very strategic. this could be something manageable under mistakes, that they make. the huge mistake. and i mentioned this in the law. so is the key word here is relationships, you know, will blink come and bite and i'll kind of king lincoln's going full back was a full list of televisions. he might as a run the palm of the we want to just live that would have easy asking if everyone but the lincoln apparently by doing this is probably more talking about this and the 2nd part of the program. but he might have to share a jail cell with somebody from the appliance and made some telephone calls recently to missing yahoo apparently, according to the motion to post pleading with him to not make this war escalate for the um, between israel has books. so this is what we're trying to avoid. and the idea that we can have a sort of a bite sized conflict in the red seat with the who teach because they don't sit

powerful. the one, the poorest countries in the world, you know, and then not a proxy. ok, right? how we should make this distinction there. allies of a run for the food proxy. and this is where the mistake lies. the arrangements will not take this line down. there will be response. my money would go on a measured response. in other words, the right is a very cool headed people is very smart people. they might not respond this week. i might take several months. they may, will decide, let's let the americans do this a bit more. so that when we come back and we do find the hit, american soldiers in the rec, for example, with a malicious, the, perhaps they'll be some sympathy in the west and some understanding of the west. you know that this is a response. i wouldn't, i wouldn't be too surprised they did that for april and my almost just when biden's election to re election campaign kicks off, you know, so that might be a result of one of the responses. the other thing that they might, it rings might be thinking about is a strategic strike themselves. and then there's roller and leveling them for many times. now the last few speeches that i've watched him deliver and by root has

mentioned that the new generation roku is the, has no southern j as a 100000 of them. but they, they, the precision of these rockers is pretty scary and he's often mentioned power stations administered installations that he could hit. in other words, we can do strategic strikes as well, what we don't to, but many is raise, but we put power out for thousands of people. well, we, you know, create a new to incident and which generates a massive model media attention around the world. and chris debates in the u. n. level, i think it's just strategic strikes, might be something that we should watch out for on the right. and so i know that it's in a rapid rate. well, i know to be no charge. this is actually have this conversation around keeps getting mentioned here. i think that's really what it's all about here. i mean, you know, as blog, you know, sponsored by around the who these funds. you know that again, it is martin puts it out. i mean they, they, they have moral support, all kinds of support, maybe diplomatic support. but i mean, this kind of support that, that ran can afford it has the law and,

and the who these is not comparable with the united states that is with israel. but it's a way, i mean, again, you know, for, for a make for western public school thing is, well, you know, what do you use? well, what are you talking about? read? oh, i read that always. that's the bottom. they want to push george. yes, exactly. and i know without question, there are many, many people in washington who are itching to have a war with iraq that really say that, you know, they like, they haven't quite got bad war with russia off the ground. you know that we're busy with the past couple of years as well. maybe we can get one of the grown up with a wrong year. we have obviously vicki a, they isn't fall from saying that lindsey graham is a brothers and the assumption on the line. most of this is of those as well. iran or as bowl about they will be the grown ups in the room so we can do what we like. but we can rely on, you know, rupture, china his ball, a iran, you know, they will be accident restraint way. well, it may well they may not hold that,

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the welcome back to process boulevard. assign peter to about your mind you were discussing. so we'll minutes. ok, let's go back to martin there. i guess obviously one of the biggest news out there right now is the young genocide case against israel sponsored by south africa.

and it's actually quite fascinating and it's for me, it's almost kind of a turning point of paradigm shift the merits of the south african case for a non lawyer. and i think it was written very well for non lawyers to understand that was part of it. okay, very, very comprehensive, very in the silver in its presentation, in written form and then oral arguments. these really response well as well. they're just sarah, good stuff. i'm us. there are allies that from us. i mean, they had a, if the south africans presented a breed, but it's legal and comprehensible with these really is made their breed political. okay. if you disagree with as you are, you work with that you're a terrorist, you work with a mouse and all of that, it's a very bad look and it's not an argument mark. and these ladies lent very heavily on this idea of self defense. but it doesn't work and it's nationalism or you're

all complying, a part of your own country. and in this case, um does it. so it doesn't, the argument's gonna hold up, i think is going to be a test case for the code itself. i think this will be a make to make a break in a lot of the skeptical gentleness. let myself kind of look at it and think is this going to be a ppo or exercise? is it going to be a way of the west taking a box and saying, well, you know, we took these rails to the quote, you know, but they cut off on a fine detail. oh, oh, we do punish them. but how do we go about punishing them? you know, how do we, how does it, how does that happen? i've got a feeling, i've got a really bad feeling deep down to that is going to get focused somehow along the way. you know that we're not gonna get, you know, the, the lucid and uncompromising outcome that we hope for, which is to make a president against israel and say, look, you're breaking international. know this is a genocide. let's go to stop. i know those people involve letting us know who and

all those of generals of going to be pulled into the course, you know, like like noon, but trial say to the best way we should be going with this now. but you know, it's, it's hard to say whether we will, this actually will lead in any one particular direction. i'm really, i mean, i'm not really sure in a, in a sense george, i don't, i'm not really convinced it really matters. okay. is because it is all okay, this has already been made. it is the brought into a proper recognized venue. it is from a nation state in good standing. ok, a nation statements south africa that knows something about apartheid in and colonial rule. and they've got a lot of, they've scored a lot of points in the corner and i, i do not deny there's public relations all over the place. it's not denied that, but it's george, which is of the court itself is very politicized. these are representatives of nation states and they're going to vote accordingly to politics. so i'm, i'm not sure it really matters at the end of the day. the fact that israel is in

the dock is enough for the world to turn around and say these last about the genocide convention were made because of the suffering of european jews in the 1940s. and now here you are. that is a very powerful message, george. so i agree that it is powerful and particularly because of its israel. this and the dog and the genocide convention was off for oil created precisely in response to what happened to the jews in the world war 2. and so if they're in the dogs, i mean that's a, that's a real come down from the days of 1948 when the united nations voted on it. however, the problem is that this notion of genocide has now been so polluted in the end of the so many of the states have now banded this around and have gone onto the international court of justice with that accusation. but it's law states resonance

. so we know we have of bosnia and herzegovina, they broke this genocide case against the so this when we know that dragging them for years in the, in the, the, the quote didn't say. so it'd be, i was guilty of a genocide in bosnia herzegovina. then we'll go, we have croatia that sort of genocide, growth case against the so be into and then go to genocide, case against probation. both will dismiss the eventually by the court. now they've got down the road, a genocide case against me and all that spending those ukraine as, as the genocide case against russia and the going to be more they, you know, there's gonna be a dentist like a scam. i told him that, but the fact that is real is in the dark. i think it is very, very significant. and possibly in the 1st part of the week we bought brother and we talked about the secretary of state anthony blinking. well, you know, he's in a panic mode and it's obvious when he speaks in part of the as possible. he, he is

a co conspirator in all of this the, all of the ones you mentioned, georgia are very important there, germane, and they're testing international law. but now we have very recognizable, powerful players being held to account and i think that is significant. what do you think some are? yeah, i think link to this part. okay. you can see it now. i mean, he, he, there is this palpable sense of the notice that's in and how he speaks because he's starting to join up with adults and he's starting to think this could go very, very badly for the part, the ministration and the shots longer to, you know, if some, i think perhaps your point of view about it being enough to the cases, the thing that may will be actually the basis for it to be focused finally is the people's will, will shrugged his shoulders and say, look, we got to the quote that's not the bad martin is it that the court, it doesn't it, at the end of the day it doesn't seek justice. it's still

a political oregon. so i think that be the global public opinion will be satisfied . there's a process of, at least the process was started and they went through it, but the outcome it will be a political candidate. so that's why i say it's kind of good enough, but i won't be happy with the outcome if it's politically terminates. nato countries versus the rest of the world. then it's a joke. yeah, they won't be very, very codes, especially for oh, so as i said exactly where i want to go. yeah, the, i'm no, i don't need around the world, but it's really late as a next it or is generation of is ready? lead is my will realize that, well we've, we've created precedent now, you know, where by israel, the 3rd country where this quote was created to protect it originally from the logic for what is in the follicles. now israel can be an adult and can be an individual can be held accountable. so it may, will spock a new level account of both your new level of governance, but in a short time,

in the short time we've, we've caught a world well, 3, breaking out a we've been talking about this for weeks now. another company, you know, i wonder what we'll be talking about in 7 days time next week, because you know, the way things are looking now we're hitting the hutus and it run now is looking at the map of the region and the see, i'm hearing how nervous america is america's going public biden's going sorry by open. i think it's probably a foolish mistakes make military speaking, but he's actually declared where all of these weaknesses all he doesn't at any cost, won't. so will with hezbollah, that may well be so factor of the range we looked at now to how do we split that? how do we track this up? one not say that we all. now the ones who are escalating to de escalate. i think this, the foot of the boot is going to be put on the other foot and it could have happened a very, very quickly. well, we could very well be talking about this next week. and the weeks after, which by george, one more point. and it's already been slightly mentioned here, and i think it's really important is that, you know,

a lot of these ideas about international law and even kind of big the political job and legal charges that we have about human rights and in international humanitarian law is stem from from the west because of the, for the world wars of the, of the last century. i'm talking about the ideas of genocide or the, the word genocide is actually a relatively new word. but what i think is really interesting. georgia is if you have the global sol embracing these ideas and putting the west in the dock and i think the south african that's why it's all a part of the country like south africa, is doing this because it is a country that is a that was colonized and, and we come, we have the word of apartheid it because of south africa. it's very interesting this paradigm shift with western ideas and the hope of western. instead, the western design institutions could actually work with the rest of the world. even though the west itself won't of honor the,

the spirit and letter of those institutions and id id is as well as soon as you can just think of the way to look at it. however, the powers control most of the institutions because the international criminal court, which, you know, most of the world assigned on to accept the great powers and the leading west of all of the united states. well, who has been targeted by the i c. c. countries of the global south variable states of the african. it's a, it's africans, middle easterners and always be their favorite hatred. the search. exactly. and then, and now they've done that they've, they've gone off to russia, but it goes on but know a great deal that they can do about that as, and this is the part that the, the, the west has been promulgated all of these doctrines. however,

the idea was the not going to be applied against us. so we're gonna apply them against all is i'm going to show the world how virtuous we are and how we adhere to international law. but you know, you can't do it to us. and so the, you know, with, with blinking and by the, you know, they were writing high when the, the i c, c, issue, the arrest warrant against the present pull to as well. you know, hey, you know, international lawyers marking boeing, you know, when you bought now, in the case of garza, that was already the americans and the germans have condemned south africa's suit. and of course, that would be outraged if you would you say that they couldn't damned it on its merits or because of politics process, right. so it's not as much as politics, right? so they're undermining the institution that they actually created. that's my point

much, but why from a rapidly running up time. go ahead. yeah, i, you know, i think the will be going to learn what we're going to see. so i think with this case, so even if it doesn't reach a final point, the final conclusion is that for the 1st time i think we're going to see a new generation, a new wave of countries around the world who will make a stand against israel. so israel, one way or the other, the end of all this is going to face a new position around the world and a new, a boy called low sanctions, whatever you want to call them on a personal level and a corporate level on the country by country level so i think that's important point to, to take away we didn't mention your claim. so this finish up, but it's interesting developments which are going on at the same time. and you can do the same problem, same from the lack of governance. and uh, so tell spend bonuses and the rules based on this lovely expression you know, is always best supplied with the time our focus is martin. and george,

i think that i think this is a pretty good hope. i think i can go to the bank with it that we won't be hearing that term for married very has changed. goodness. all right, gentlemen, that's all the time when i think, my guess in budapest and america's and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us. here are these the next time? remember, ross up was the russian states never as tight as i'm one of the most sense community best. most all sense and up the in the system must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union,

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