to pursuing a policy of genocide, italy was only able to temporarily suppress libya, 18th of the entire population. more than 100000 people fell victim to their. however, just a few years later, the entail you enroll, collapsed. in 1951, libya became one of the 1st countries in africa to gain independence. the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered 9 people live out in the spot like washington says it wants to de escalate regional tensions. but instead expands the conflict, this administration is simply out of control. also, what are we to make of south africa's legal breed? charging israel with genocide in gosh,

discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my usual guess george. send me. well, we in budapest, he's a pod cast, read the capital which can be found in youtube in locals and america. we have mark j is an award winning journalist for us. start out with georgia in budapest, georgia. you and i been watching very closely as x rays. they blinked hands of a recent trip say shuttle diplomacy is like the trying to do in that in the middle east, private de escalate. but why is the cited states me okay. attacking the happening, if they're looking for de escalation, please explain to me in simple words because i'm a simple person. go ahead, george. well, i wish i could explain, but as you say, it is, uh, the uh, the boss would all the bind in administration, other because of nato in general. they can say you're doing one thing and you're doing exactly the opposite. so the email and he goes in there says, well, i'm trying to de escalate, and that's what the admiral co, the,

the white house spokesman said, yes, you know what, everything we're doing in the m and in order to de escalate. when what would we're seeing is what was obvious really from the beginning, once the by and the ministration completely. where that itself to israel, elaine and, and what is the gaza? that it is escalating the conflict that was all this of this was going to happen. and it is now launched to these attacks, really without any kind of uh, justification in any international law. i mean there's no un security council resolution. no state has come along and said, hey, can you organize a policy for us and go in and do some bombing for us as a model that has happened? um and so they've just a little launching attacks without the slightest prospect of the it's a of a cheating success tens, they're only just vacation is, well, it was very discriminative. it was very proportionate and very,

it's all gets it. and there's nothing to worry about why it's, it's a new market. it's very interesting is that how government comes back on the scene . but for those of us been watching this has been front and center and regional politics for a very long time. and if you think you can scale to who with these with buckling, i mean you have to be left out of the room. i mean, they have been bombed with american bombs using sarah kits for many, many years. and fortunately, unfortunately, depending how you want to look at of the, the very tenuous, the 2002, it's true said the hold these had with saudi arabia, even the saudis, worried about that because i got the width there as well. so the united states is stoking something, were to go into a direction of like, i always say, the law of unintended consequences. you know, we've, we've been for a number of years now. we've been watching the saudi ration from the the, who t's in what is some more or less the wisdom bits of human. i'm just icing them

and pretending that we don't really, whenever you are really happy about how they become indiscriminately to hit people waiting policies and those are risk images we saw for years and years and years. they got a piece to about a year ago. so this put saudi arabian already or the position now because how these lights to the west, but i think there's a, there's a huge amount of miscalculation which has happened last few days. and i've been wanting, i've been, i've been saying this on your show for the last few weeks now. the miscalculation with 2 t's is the, i'm not here. this was a lot in press coverage. this is a warning. so given who did a warning, you know, and who does it is looking at this thinking, you're going to be kidding. it says that we've, we have, we have probably, the power is, comes on the planet we've, we've been literally, you know, reduced to rubble. we've got nothing left and the worst people in the world. you can 5 people are going to lose. and, and that's really the less them that's not been hated by the west. so, you know, so can the, okay, less than this to off poodle all of

a bite. and this been making these statements. you know, it was in ukraine just a few days ago, but just talking about, you know, the, we need to, it's, we'd send a message to the who to use. well, the messages were ready for it all you up for it. you know, because this is going to talk about what to do with these messages to the united states. and it's a pretend coalition is that what they end up with these are doing what they're doing in the red sea and solidarity with the me genocide. a more being that know, waged in gaza. so if they stop, there's a cold there. there is a cease fire been who diesel react accordingly, but that's never part of the story is it is accurate and, and types of shapes the immediate coverage. well, all of the focus is on what the, uh, the quote is, oh, the timeframe with international commas. the freedom of navigation is in danger. so, i mean, i won't just forget about, well, um,

how many times has the united states boarded, uranian ships, the seas condo or the is, this is a regular think they with you, right? it was that who is this is a violation of law sanctions. well, who can said with these assignments that have no basis and ends and actual israel, as on a regular basis bound iranian time? cuz there's another color, you know, the apartment that isn't the threat to freedom of navigation. well charge i, i, i talked to you so often i can actually preempt your thoughts here. so i get a little bit of homework in advance here. i bought george brought up freedom of trade. well, let's take a look here. i did the research the last 9 years while she didn't realize it maintain the blockade of human impeding trade. the us substantially was big strain with north korea, co cuba in his way. what russia, china, syria, afghanistan, era. what about the beating train with the finish of george?

yeah, no, that's right for you to go. so you k, which still holds onto venezuela's gold. and uh, you know, the u. k, which your mother again sees the iranian tank. i kept it into bro to because it was filing, essentially providing oil specific actions. they got it wrong here. you're right there on the top, there was no sanction or guys most area provide or getting oil, but you know, so they didn't even understand that. so the whole idea that the, the world trade is in danger, and therefore we have to the bomb is absolutely nonsensical. and you're actually right in, in what, what you say there's a simple solution. and if you, if you stop with a ceasefire, then we'll have to assume that the uh, the who does campaign against the shipping hit it for israel olive as well. we'll stop. but that's, that's the solution that's off the table right away. as well as money when we

started out with talking about the got to de escalate, you have to escalate that, but i need to get my head around that one, but maybe maybe it will come to me eventually. but this is sending an indication that the united states is willing, with its junior partner, as usual, a be kind of be headed mcmann, of, of foreign policy on the world stage. i hope our viewers get the reference. but um, this is just pursuing israel's foreign policy objectives. i don't see what the strategic interest of the family united states are. it's a, it's a short term solution because the big thing cuz of the way they are thinking is that we need a distraction away from the genocide because it's getting way too much press coverage. and what better way to do it then to have some strategic strikes. i hate that phrase is going to come up again. strategic strikes against these, this rag time, you know, kind of, literally, they haven't been very strategic and they haven't been pretty precise. that's according to the new york times this morning, even though haven't killed, they haven't killed anybody. and that's the point that i find these uh,

feel anyone in this? no, i think this district, the strikes haven't killed anybody. i according to, by to do, says they have and we will see in a few days it might, could a few people, but he's, he's thinking of it when, when you have this abysmal disrespect for international law, they own a gun. so it's only natural that the, the powers of the world will take as long as that to have all the, you know, examples of the, of disrespect of international law. and that's what we're seeing, that we're seeing kind of repeating the on yet every time you employer off, you know, you see something else which, which is you can compare to it. but i think this is the thinking from u. k. and america, is this a small scale? this is very strategic. this could be something manageable and the mistake for that makes it a huge mistake. and i mentioned this in the law. so is the key word here is relationships, you know, will blink come and bite and i'll kind of king lincoln's going full. just back was a full list of television. he must have written the palm of that. we want to just live that. would it be easy as good as everyone?

but lincoln, apparently by doing this is probably more talking about this in the 2nd part of the program that he might have to share a jail cell with somebody from the clients and made some telephone calls recently to this new yahoo apparently according to the question to post pleading with him to not make this war escalate further between israel and his book. so this is what we're trying to avoid. and the idea that we can have a sort of a bite sized conflict in the red seat with the who teach. because then also powerful the one, the poor as countries in the world, you know, and then not a proxy. ok, right? how we should make this distinction then allies of a run, but another foot proxy. and this is where the mistake lies. the ratings will not take this line down, that will be response. my money would go on a measured response. in other words, the range is a very cool headed. people are very smart people. they might not respond this week . it might take several months. they may, we'll decide, let's let the americans do this a bit more. so that when we come back and we do find the hit,

american soldiers and the rec, for example, with omniscience, that perhaps they'll be some sympathy in the west and some understanding of the west. you know that this is a response. i wouldn't, i wouldn't be too surprised they did that from april and my almost just when biting selection reelection campaign kicks off. and so that might be a result of one of the responses. the other thing that they might, earrings might be thinking about is a strategic strike themselves. and then there's role in loving them so many times. now the last few speeches that i've watched tim deliver and by root has mentioned that the new generation rock is the, has no southern j as a 100000 of them. but they, they, the precision of these rock is, is pretty scary. and he's often mentioned, power stations, and ministry installations that he could hit. in other words, we can do strategic strikes as well, with what we don't to but many is raised. but we put power out for thousands of people. or we, you know, create a new to incident and which generates a massive amount of media to just around the world increased debates and un level.

and i think it's just strategic strikes, might be something that we should watch out for on the right side, or whether you know that it's in a rapid rate, lowering a time, it'd be no charge that is actually in this conversation around keeps getting mentioned here. i think that's really what it's all about here. i mean, you know, as blog, you know, sponsored by around the who these folks, you know, that again, it is martin puts it up. i mean they, they, they have moral support, all kinds of support, maybe diplomatic support. but i mean, this kind of support that, that it ran can afford. it has the law and, and the who these is not comparable with the united states. that is with israel, but it's a way, i mean, getting it over for a minute. for western public school thing is, well, you know, what do you use? well, what are you talking about? read? oh, i read that always. that's the bottom. they want to push george. yes, exactly. and i know without a question, there are many, many people in washington who are itching to have a war with iran. levy say they, you know, they've, lately, they haven't quite got bad war with russia off the ground. you know,

they were busy with that for the past couple of years. or maybe we can get one of the grown up with a wrong year. we have obviously the, hey, they isn't far from saying that lindsey graham is problems and the assumption the underlying motiv. this is a positive, well iran ways, both of them will be the grown ups in the room. so we can do what we like when we can rely on, you know, russia, china, is that his ball a iran, you know, they will be accident restraint way. well, it may, well they may not. all right, hold that, thought george, we have to go to a quick break. and after that quick break, we'll continue our discussion on somebody on the state of the cartridge, the, [000:00:00;00] the,

the, the look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except we're so shorter that conflict with the 1st law show you alignment of the patient. we should be very careful about visual intelligence. the point obviously is to trace a trust rather than ship the job. i mean with artificial intelligence,

we have so many with him in the a robot most protects his phone existence was alexis the welcome back to process lars and peter the about your mind you were discussing some real minutes. okay, let's go back to martin merrick. yes. obviously one of the biggest news out there right now is the young genocide case against israel sponsored by south africa. and it's actually quite fascinating and it's for me, it's almost kind of a turning point of paradigm shift the merits of the south african case for a non lawyer. and i think it was written very well for non lawyers to understand that was part of it. okay, very, very comprehensive,

very um, in the silver in its presentation, in written form and then oral arguments. these really response well as well. they're just sarah, good stuff. i'm us, they're allies that from us. i mean, they had it in the south africans presented a breed, but it's legal and comprehensible with these really is made their breed political. okay. if you disagree with as you are, you work with that you're a terrorist, you work with a mouse and all of that, that's a very bad look and it's not an argument mark. and these ladies lent very heavily on this idea of self defense. but it doesn't work and it's nationalism or what you're all complying, a part of your own country. and in this case, um, does it so it does in the arguments gonna hold up, i think is going to be a test case for the quote itself. i think this will be a make to make a break in a lot of the skeptical gentleness. let myself kind of look at it and think, is this going to be a pay or exercise?

is it going to be a way of the west taking a box and saying, well, you know, we took these rails to the quote, you know, but they cut off on a fine detail. oh, oh, we do punish them. but how do we go about punishing them? you know, how do we, how does it, how does that happen? i've got a feeling, i've got a really bad feeling and deep down to that is going to get focused somehow along the way. you know that we're not going to get, you know, the, the lucid and uncompromising outcome that we hope for which is to make a president against israel and say, look, you're breaking international, know this is a genocide as go to stop. i know those people involve like missing yahoo and all those of generals of going to be pulled into the course, you know, like like noon, but trial say to the best way we should be going with this now. but you know, it's, it's hard to say whether we will, this actually will lead in any one particular direction. i'm really, i mean, i'm not really sure it in a, in a sense george, i don't, i'm not really convinced it really matters. ok is because it is all okay. this has

already been made. it is the brought into a proper recognized venue. it is from a nation state in good standing. ok, a nation statements south africa that knows something about apartheid in and colonial rule. and they've got a lot of, they've scored a lot of points in the corner and i, i do not deny there's public relations all over the place. it's not denied that, but it's towards which the court itself is very politicized. these are representatives of nation states and they're going to vote accordingly to politics . so i'm, i'm not sure it really matters at the end of the day. the fact that israel is in the dock is enough for the world to turn around and say these last about the genocide convention were made because of the suffering of european jews in the 1940s. and now here you are. that is a very powerful message, george. so i agree that it is powerful and particularly because of its israel. this

and the dog and the genocide convention was off for oil created precisely in response to what happened to the jews in world war 2. and so if they're in the dogs, i mean that's a, that's a real come down from the days of 1948 when the united nations voted on it. however, the problem is that this notion of genocide has now been so polluted in the end of the so many states have now banded this around and have gone onto the international court of justice with that accusation. but it's law states resonance . so we know we have of bosnia and herzegovina, they broke this genocide case against the so this when we know that dragging them for years in the, in the, the, the quote didn't say. so it'd be, it was guilty of a genocide in bosnia herzegovina. then we'll go, we have correlation, that sort of genocide, greg,

case against the so it'd be into and then go to genocide, case against probation. both will dismiss the eventually by the court. now they've got down this really genocide case against me and all that spend they both ukraine as, as the genocide case against russia and the going to be more they, you know, there's gonna be a dentist like a scam. i told him that, but the fact that is real is in the doctor. i think it is very, very significant. and possibly in the 1st part of the week we bought brother and we talked about the secretary of state anthony blinking. well, you know, he's in panic. mode and it's obvious when he speaks in part of the as possible. he is a co conspirator in all of this the, all of the ones you mentioned, georgia are very important there. germane, and they're testing international law. but now we have very recognizable, powerful players being held to account and i think that is significant. what do you think some are? yeah, i think link to this point. okay. you can see it now. i mean, he, he, there is dis, palpable sense of

a notice in and how he speaks because he's starting to join up with adults and he's starting to think this could go very, very badly for the part, the ministration and the shots longer to, you know, if some, i think perhaps your point of view about it being enough to the cases, the thing that may will be actually the basis for it to be focused finally is the people will we struck this out and say, look, we got to the quote that's not the bad martin, is it, but the court, it doesn't it, at the end of the day it doesn't seek justice. it's still a political oregon. so i think that the, the global public opinion will be satisfied that the process would be at least the process was started and they went through it, but the outcome it will be a political candidate. so that's why i say it's kind of good enough, but i won't be happy with the outcome if it's politically terminates nato countries

versus the rest of the world. then it's a joke. yeah, they won't be very, very codes, a threshold full. oh, so as i said exactly where i want to go, yeah, the gold, you know, no, i don't need around the world, but it's really late as a next it or is generation of is ready? lead is my will realize that, well we've, we've created precedent now, you know, where by israel, the 3rd country where this quote was created to protect it originally from the logic footage and the follicles. now israel can be an adult and can be an individual, it's kind of be held accountable. so it may will spock a new level account of both your new level of governance. but in a short time, in the short time we've, we've got a world war 3, breaking out a, we've been talking about this for weeks now. and that as of today, you know, i wonder what we'll be talking about in 7 days time next week because, you know, the way things are looking now we're hitting, the who sees, and iran now is looking at the map of the reach. and i'm seeing, i'm hearing how nervous america is america's going public biden's going to have it

open. i think it's probably a foolish mistakes make military speaking, but he's actually declared. when old is witnesses, all he doesn't at any cost, won't will with hezbollah, that may well be a factor of the range we looked at now to how do we split that? how do we track this up? one not say that we all. now the ones who are escalating to de escalate, i think this, the foot of the boot is going to be put on the other foot and it could help them very, very quickly. well, we could very well be talking about this next week. and the weeks afterwards by george, one more point, and it's already been slightly mentioned here. and i think it's really important is that, you know, a lot of these ideas about international law and even kind of big the political job and legal charges that we have about human rights and international humanitarian law is stem from, from the west because of the, for the world wars of the, of the last century, i'm talking about the ideas of genocide or the, the word genocide is actually

a relatively new word. but what i think is really interesting. georgia is if you have the global sol embracing these ideas and putting the west in the dock and i think the south african it's white. so a part of the country like south africa, is doing this because it is a country that is a, that was colonized and, and we come, we have the word of apartheid it because of south africa. it's very interesting, this paradigm shift with western ideas and the hope of western. instead, the western design institutions could actually work for the rest of the world. even though the west itself won't of honor the, the spirit and letter of those institutions and id id is a. well, it's an interesting way to look at it is, um, we have a lesson powers control most of the institutions because the international criminal court, which, you know,

most of the world assigned on to accept the great powers and the leading west involved the, and i, the say, well, who has been targeted by the i c c. countries of the global south, the, all the states, uh, the african. it's a, it's africans, middle easterners and always be their favorite hatred. the search. exactly. and then, and now they've done that, they've, they've gone off to russia, but it goes on but know a great deal that they can do about that as, and this is the part that the, the, the west has been promo. they did all of these doctrines. however, the idea was the not going to be applied against us. so we're gonna apply them against all is i'm going to show the world how virtuous we are and how we adhere to international law. but you know, you can't do it to us. and so they get on with, with blinking and by the, you know, they were writing high when the, the i c,

c issue the arrest warrant against the president pull to as well. you know, hey, you know, international lawyers more. okay. um boeing. you know, when you bought now in the case of garza, that was already the americans and the germans of condemned south africa's suit. and of course, that would be outraged if he did you, would you say that they couldn't damned it on its merits or because of politics process? i thought it's not as much as politics because they're undermining the institution that they actually created. that's my point much, but well, we're probably running of time. go ahead and you know, i think the will be going to learn what we're going to see. so i think with this case, so even if it doesn't reach a final point, the final conclusion is that for the 1st time i think we're going to see a new generation, a new wave of countries around the world who will make a stand against israel. so israel, one way or the other, at the end of all this is going to face a new position around the world and a new,

a boy color those sanctions, whatever you want to call them on a personal level and a corporate level. one on the country by country level. so i think that's important point to, to take away. we didn't mention your claim. so this didn't show up, but it's interesting developments which are going on at the same time in your credit. and you the same problem, same from the lack of governance and so tell spend bonuses and the rules based on this lovely expression you know, is always applied. it would be the primary purpose is marlin georgia. i think that i think this is a pretty good hope. i think i can go to the bank with it that we won't be hearing that term for married very has changed. goodness. all right, gentlemen, that's all the time when i think, my guess in budapest and america's and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us. here are these the next time? remember,

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it's pretty simple. it the, the pay off some the coast of guys. it was 3 civilians are killed when the idea of opens fire and the crowd, and that's at the local to the delivery of the many to and supplies that arrived in the nearby. we got comments from on a walker about the desired situation in the region. the pool of these continuous relation, is it our happiness angels or relations for the international humanitarian law? civilians have been a target whose have been how do i get the most services? there's no particular places because of the war and gap has raised for $100.00 days