since the beginning of the war is where the government didn't give them any goals for the future. now you can south of war without knowing how you're going to finish . this is not the way to, for the for. and i think that the fact that these, when a government to find out not to talk about the they often is a big problem because right now, okay, this has the dimensions of doing it. i think that was doing a great job, but the easily the government doesn't give them anything and for the future now, we have more than 2 minimum uh, citizens does. what are we going to do with those citizens kind of them out of their homes. so someone needs to control guys, uh uh, after, after the war was going to do it. this is a big program that isn't needs to solve. because otherwise we stay in, in the circle of bloodshed. and we need to find the solution. i think that,

you know, of the, i can say easiest, so it doesn't cause the on to easy solutions and then the lease, but probably the part of stamps be a, it will take serious disability over guys. someone from the be a new p a. but nothing else doesn't want to do it. the, you know, he took the, the president of the united states, maybe the best, the president that we ever have, the most supportive that president investigate, told him, i don't care what he wants. i'm not going to where to establish the 1st thing and say no exception. first thing in state is not the something that is way and should decide about okay, does listing and matter and the fact that the, it's a big problem, we need to solve it. all right, from our sion back coordinator and security out of us going into ben. it's zack, thank you. thank you very much for having me to. all right. just say with us up next on cross talk, peter lavelle and his guests discussed the universal uselessness of the european

leaders worn dangers. the world is yet due now by the the hello and welcome good prospect boulevard is on peter lavelle universal uselessness as the norm. european leaders war and how dangerous the world is, do everything in their power to make the world more dangerous. and us leaders lead with netanyahu to promise them

a 2 state solution. and he says no to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my usual guess george, send me well we in budapest, he's a pod cast, read the capital, which can be found in youtube and locals, and america. we have mark j is an award winning journals. alright, gentlemen, crossed top roles and in fact, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated someone with george and in budapest, um, you know, is we've been chronicling on this program. um 2 major international crisis is the one going on a new crane and, and got some of the medicine for these boys. ready of them and all through it, george. um, what is your estimate that what it does? does it have a pulse here? let's this catalogue real quickly what they, what they are doing or not doing? no real reaction to the north stream of destruction of pipelines, backing sanctions against russia, that hurt europe more than russia. um, notified as acute the doctrine we'll turn to policy. and last but not least in our

favor, is usually a unusually cloudless elite. so where is europe in all of this, and does anybody really even care anymore? george excellent question would be to. so within the past few days, we have the german defense. minnesota bar is the story is declaring that sometime within the next 5 years, russia is likely to attack uh, may to you know, don't know how he came up with this scenario. well, this particular timeframe, but that was that he made this declaration and then we had a, there's a basically saying, you know what they, they want to get ready for it. okay. so, but if they're not ready for why wouldn't rush to do it now? ok, i don't. yeah, exactly, just rather give them the time to get ready. then we have the sweden's commander in chief saying sweden needs to absolutely get ready and to mobilize for well with

russia. again, where he got this one of the suite and needs to move this and when was the last time rested in sweet? here we're at war and the 3 baltic states. so now got together and said we're putting together a baltic defense pack baltic defense region. not exactly what we're sure, but there's a. yeah, we're putting this together. and then we have the, the nato circled military ship and getting things done. but this military single thing means essentially no one has any site at all and anything, any democratic way about made. so moving anywhere at any time that he wants throughout the you, those guys amazing. i mean, any of those, like nato is supposed to, this thing is i think, but now find that we're going to have this absence of mobility. so rhodes railways at apple is everything must wait way for me to the civilians. you know, they could, they could go to help, you know, that the, the last thing of, i mean,

any important that it's not heavy on sovereignty, is it not that are being heavy? and then we have um, uh, a manual of my crown uh saying, okay, your a is an absolute permit, but you know, where, where is it, where it's facing? carol, from russia. therefore, i need to go to a kia of a right away to sign a defense and security agreement as of the time that she's soon ag assigned and key of uh, the other that. so we have a strange business. we have lisa, european leads, warning about this threat of war. war is imminent. and you have every single thing that they do and you know, in dangerous, everyone in your threat, does that go against the built in, in europe? and let me continue doing the same thing is i don't you remember a few months ago when biting made a dramatic announcement. we are close that today to nuclear. only getting that in

a time since the cuban missile addresses and then use the question was, well, well then if we are, why don't you do something about it? just the, just the oh so does that mean the globe has been? do you want to use the had analogy? who are the soviets and who are the americans? and i was, you know, the, you were, you worked in the belly of the beast for a long time in brussels here. i mean, here i have a kind of. ready dog here, georgia extended this year, but there seems to be no kind of, there's no pro active this about protecting, defining and protecting your opinion. if is it just seems to be a causing the works. all the things that i mentioned then with george mentioned a reflection of washington's policy. not any one in europe specifically or yeah, because the current policy, i mean grand scale foreign policy is hugely challenging as an easy thing to pull off on mission. we should always remember the european union is very much stuff,

top experimental projects have been going for a few years and it's only been going for a few weeks when we look at some big policy, you know, international um, you know, a g, a political grandstanding and i think, you know, as time goes on, brussels looks more more to be some to some to be some so like, um, independence on an a soviet stage, you know, the independence. but on a republic of brussels, it's a democracy. democracy for these other. unless the thinking about these institutions a look what's happened to them just very recently, you know, we've seen this momentum now gathering that you can't really do anything dynamic. the u. s. to motors, sit still, keep shots, keep us male shots and see what the big moves. big players do. russia and america? i'm china. but, but, you know, at the same time we've got voted on the land banging on the drum saying we need to get more money. so he's grain. and there was this consensus, and george rattled off, you know, the list the very well there is consensus of

a leads now in europe that we need to create more hysteria. why? because our economies are fading and sooner or later the brown stuff is going to hit the fan and we are going to face and a political upheaval. so let's create the drama now. that's correct. so now i get people a choose this idea that we could be in a wilson or we could be facing, you know, a, so what, what was russia? but it's so funny that the statements that come from germany, i'm from so in other places, clash with vitamins because bite is always saying that, you know, it rushes lost, lost the war in the tray and you know, it's on his new, he's going to have and then to europe in the st. no rush going to evade. um, you know, so, you know, we, we, we really do need to kind of get these 2 groups of people together. and then, you know, which very interesting and that's surprising, georgia, but this is all the lead to driven. i mean, if you look at what startup as during the people latasha to europe, i mean, let's say to look at the german farmers of which i don't think the repeat about

a war with russia. i think they're worried about their livelihood in a likelihood that is go, goes back for many of them, generation generation after generation. and it's being moderately destroyed by the populace. rule of that coalition there. and then you know how you had admitted to go out and address, you know, even just saying, you know, there's no more money, but just down the street. the next, some industries that we need money for, you crate. i mean, that is a terrible situation. but anyway, as i always say don't, that's was barbara stuart. you're exactly right. so you, you have the, the german follows and then let's remember there's also the farmers in, in poland and hungary is the lock in romania boiler, who has the will being hit by the e u policy. oh, allowing uh bolen to dump its uh grain in the european markets. uh same with the truck cuz so again, this is

a policy completely out adverse to europeans interest. and yet the leads continue to uh, down this path, you know, they go to, um dob was uh, congratulate one another and then wonder, well what else can we do for you trained um, emmanuel, my car on you have elizabeth the historically on popular use of either shopping uh, it's really the, the decks on the uh, the big chairs on the titanic. and um, and what's on his mind waiting on his, my, what we, what, what more can i do for you, craig? i'm rushing up now to cave in order to assign a defense for your decision either to curry favor with the americans because i don't think he cares about you claim. ready ukrainian ukrainians, i don't think any of these you're in a way to do with all the math i if you, if you will, you know, go a few layers in there and kind of not so politely asked, seeing the grading and refugees to go home. i mean,

a lot of people have had enough of this, but not the leads keep going towards the do they reduce the leads. and so despite the so that you can only crises they face, and despite the the historical unpopularity, i mean, when, when, when you look at these, the polls say in germany, the key state in your, i mean the, the, the boxes of the traffic like coalition historic lows um yeah you, you have the alternative to the extent brought to, you know, constant, the denounces, fascist, and whatever. and on the brink of being simply abolished and on the surveillance by the the security space, there is historic high the room is the of the same level as the christian democrats . and now you have a new apology and you left the spot in the of, uh, let's just the merge out of nowhere. and that's already doing better than any of the parties of the traffic light goes. if you think you called the message,

i think the other people. yeah. yeah. it's the same or they can judge. and i've talked about this on our comcast, is that the leads anyone? if the n e i d o a group of people, they don't live because i was like, far enough that that's just cold. they, you know, don't challenge us. empower ok. even if we're not doing a good job because when they do is i try to ideologically cancel. ready on both sides, primarily on the right part. yeah. and it's, it's easy to throw these, these slugs. people are institutions because nobody questions and nobody says what i own. is there any truth in that? what so, what's worrying i think is that the counsel culture is really and gay, really accelerating within the you. institution is just such a level that, you know, i mean, just recently we saw um, uh and europe empowerment, make notions tools clamping down on hungry. i need in july hungry, it's voting rights on

a you council is sensational. that is the only chosen that product process to cancel the democratic process continue by the door again, because you can, you much. can you imagine russians, older russians, older generation russians who are looking at that and thinking, but this is the soviet times, this is this in terms totally would be proud of this. you know, this is a democracy that we can actually shut down in this country. you know, and there's no pick back. there's no, there's no opprobrium in the west impress to say, hey, but that's on the democratic, isn't it? you know, on the same institution we sold a, gave a hushed up, you know, this of them use chief uh, the tulsa who basically gets off on list federalism. you know, he's, he's, he's part of the super federalist leads in brussels. people who really believe that all of our problems can be resolved by having a new need. so our sales unit, so they, they would never, they wouldn't they. so the same people would never let anyone. ready maybe you actually vote upon it. yeah, yeah, because not interested in democracy. i mean,

the thing is that people don't understand this, but up to being in brussels while over a decade. don't love um, one of the things i noticed up a couple of years is that a you is, is, is completely consensus driven organization. so it doesn't really have an internal accountability, doesn't really have an internal opposition. anybody who's sort of rebellious, have the end of this volunteer. i mean, who decides what the consensus is? i'm gonna leave that as a rhetorical question, general short break, and after that short break, but continuing, especially as a real need to stay with back to the the welcome back to across the

boulevards where we discuss some real news. i switched gears. let's talk about what's going on in gaza and the daylight that is appearing between washington and the is really politically where it's hard. but there's never any that the daylight between the americans like to say the very often i don't know why i don't see what they get out of it here. but um, there seems to be a game of chicken of sorts going on here. um anthony, blinking, who completely mccloud himself ad adolfo, was talking about of the complex. i know he's very good. you know, it's heart wrenching what's going on there. and i, i don't know, it was worth the, george lincoln or the audience. because why didn't this someone stand up and say, stop the war with no one did. all they did was quite but quite quiet politely for the nonsense that he was safe. what i'm getting at here, of course,

is that though i'd like to present in the united states, joe biden has gone to the point. and now this is getting to the point of absurd. well, there are different versions of the two's solution. ok, that's news to me and then meanwhile the same new cycle, the prime minister. ready real benjamin netanyahu says, well, that will never be a 2 stage solution here. it's a game of chicken or who is the biggest full charge? a, this great good question to who really does look list stupid is because the americans have been playing this game for many, many years, where the evidence also of claiming that they save a 2 state solution. the, the 2 states of the 2 state solution and never really spreading out well, what are you going to do to get the, i mean, what steps are you going to take it to in order to achieve it? they never really spell that out. it just said, well that's, that's our goal. so now with this uh, ripping the direct killings going hunting as of all they wanted from lives in the

just the minimum is to say, yeah, yeah, we're down for tuesday, so somebody get up to spell it out. what is going to look like when it's going to happen, what are we going to do to get to it just just as a yeah, yeah, yeah, we're, we're down to that. and then that's all the americans, all of them and him in which on it'll give you everything you want all the um, do you want another cousin, as on the uh, turned around is nowhere were never gonna have a 2 state solution as of so he's not doing much beyond when he said, oh, we're not gonna have time us back in guys that we're not gonna have the palestinian or the or the i the ruling in guys that now is that we're not a, we're going to have a, a palestinian state. so this really makes the americans a stupid number. what, what do americans lose the about these congressmen? you know, we're very happy about this and bodies on the table and then it would be good and that's in the i would just talk. no, it just isn't gonna happen. i mean that's, that's what, what, what's the,

what's really interesting, georgia, i go to barton right now, is that the online and social media, if you say from, from the river to the sea, you're going to have a spotlight on you, but not the prime minister of israel, he can say that, okay, and it's really quite clear and i want to make sure our audience knows this the, you know, which river in which see is he talking about? it's not entirely clear. um, even though you can get a lot of trouble for it and social media, this is the whole point here. martin is that we, again, we've come to this point where because of the, with a, this really is talk about a 2 state solution or the lack there of depositions. the american says that this is again a. ready part of a design this program of never defining israel's borders, this words the, israel's advantage is a go, the americans will never intervene and they're not to intervene to stop the genocide. when will they ever intervene?

that so obvious, the inclusion here are because there's no solution a, there's no real objective analysis of whether these really is a genuine us and serial. and all you know to state solution is just to both what really doesn't mean anything. but it's kept the americans in the west quite for very long time because it's given them the material to use that cliche in tombs and times and times of reports, analysis and meetings, you know, but the reality is, you know, what we're experiencing here, i think is a clash of the titans we're actually seeing now head on this and you know and bites and, and i think it's going to throw into question in america and in the west particularly . um, what is the relationship, what is really, is the relationship now between america and these are, why do we keep pumping money into this tiny country, which is just messing up? and so i'm at least creating original now. i mean, the hell we've got era, i'm focused on, they'll find records, each of the, you know, let's just happened the last few days. we knew we never imagined the on last week.

sure. so it really is going read. so it's getting out of control. you will actually my brand new projected it. ok, i did, i did. i said to be tactical strikes. you know, i'm touch who strikes what exactly what you're interested and know, keep on doing it. but you know, where does this relationship go? so, you know, national, who now is so desperate. the, what he's doing now is these changes and people look, the americans want to force a 2 state solution on to us. that will probably means some sort of international peacekeeping kind of group of the various countries policing goals are for example, and that will be the end of us. and so vote for me because i'm the only one who's got the guts to actually stand up the button and say no. and that's now his election ronnie, you know, so i think um, he's really thrown down the gauntlet for bite and i hate to put money on by them. but i think in the longer term, when we talk about winners and losers, i think that's now is going to be the lose. i think you set yourself up to,

for like i said, the things like the end of the 1st world war. nobody expected. all the empires, the fall, the ones, but they did. okay. i think both will be losers here. but georgia is something new and i've used a lot is a name the cliche out there, the bumper sticker out there is de escalate. it's just the opposite. we're seeing enormous unless the. ready issue and this is something that works to me is release advantage because they're always going to call in the americans to pull their chestnuts out of the fire. that's the calculation here. any given wouldn't let me o has been saying recently and we've already made reference to it here we were talking about, you know, we become less safe when we would, when we, after we went through from 11 to you know, that one should be totally off with you or something like that. okay, just to get to company the southern part of love it on again and they have the be because the americans are paralyzed by the. ready the verse, understanding of what obligations it has to the state of israel is paralyzing. well,

it will end up doing what when you have those and the most are right wing government, they've ever had their george. yes, i think so because of the united states is now so heavily invested in what is what it is doing, but it really can't get off. and i think that um, nothing. yeah. who realizes this? that's why he can just openly and speak like this in defiance. of knowing that all of the americans will ring their hands and say, well, we're disappointed in this statement, but we're not actually going to do anything about that. i know you. yes, because of the democratic congressman to say, well we, we really need to look at what arms were sending the, you know, you know, maybe we should attack some conditions. what kind of conditions. i mean, if you met them. yeah, we'll turn around. so yeah, well what we're going to do is we're going to take these zones. i'm going to kill as many people as we can with them. what are the conditions that you're looking for and cost to ship them as i was at the last question, there are no other conditions. so will you be missing out on those of the votes of

the for him in washington you've got, he's got the most in washington, but does he have it in israel? probably not. you know, martin, what are the interesting debates that have risen over the course of this conflict is the face of the captives in, in casa, and the highest from what i understand and number of them are american and british citizens. ready citizens, what is the u. k, and what is the american government doing to help those citizens? or are we going to have though, the gonzalez 0 doctrine of not caring about their own citizens because that's what it looks like to me. but it seems to me that many of whom government has no interest in those captives whatsoever. no, i think we're already there. i think that's sort of the case now. you know, because other literature episode of issue some of the, of used to know is, is a, an american chilion blogger who was based in ukraine and who was very well informed,

was very critical of the credit government and so on himself, the rest, it's fine himself thrown into prison, it was already ill with a complication long complications and was allowed to die. just simply allowed to die because he was really an inconvenient truth which kept annoying. let's kick about animal annoying, the americans. and this is a shame, a real shame on america. that it can do that to one of his own citizens just because, you know, literally was just a bloss on the landscape. he needed to be removed. so that's kind of made. it was mother. and i think the same thing is probably going to happen to the poor people as well, is that they are very, very small number of people who they are. and then they can be written off. and part of the question, you know, i mean, the bigger picture here is, you know, how the political leads stay and how, how they control this on this. and yahoo stays in po, and with abiding is really prepared to stand his ground. and this going to, i think the problem is, discussion of a friend. so what, what is other full lot yeah, that's 6. yeah. you know,

it's the bible is vice presidents and the out of many head towards the israeli government in georgia. again, you know, we started out talking about the uselessness of europe and i compliment george for the title because that's what he came up with it. but it did again with it's all the leads driven by it. and that's counting on the look toral success, which is policy that inspire give it towards donors. sorry daughter spoke to the executive donors because he says that's what matches. and you know, we sold a power all of that. the israel law, they in the united states in which they, they, they got rid of 2 prominent university presidents and how, and how does that happen? well, because the powerful donors, the people who, who actually are these are prestigious universities depend on caved and you know, even says, hey, but this is a black woman, you can find a black woman. yes,

you can. when it comes to science is money that comes 1st and you know that that's what that message gets out is the, there's some of the things you cannot do and the certain steps either above. so the interest that you cannot transgress as a, that's a down to the by whose calculation i mean, as far as your business on the account and counting on the fact that people are going to get tired of this. i'm going to get, you know, these are the, they're going to get tired of the israel palestine issue and they'll go focus on something else. and however useless, they come across as you know, as their own hostages. they're not even able to do anything about the things that we've all talked about here. i'll finish off the program you know, we've had in the 1st couple of weeks we. ready were outraged by the, the number of this, then we had children, women being 50 percent in the schools and then the aid workers and then the univer city. this and there's no end to it. okay. if it was going to be an end to it,

we wouldn't be reached there. but now we uh, they've gotten people used to genocide. that's the age that we live in. okay. and social media gentlemen, that's all the time i have. i want to thank my guess americans and. ready best and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc and next time remember prospect goods, the name of the this of him. but he's, you got one of the see at the end of me and say, guess i'm all as little form as well. i thought of it either. i won't say that it's not a lot that is somewhat of a media blast. yeah. you got one way just under the new sit in video sorta the sona a k. i know if it goes to that. i mean, i think he's going on because he, i'm a persona of a be that me court and stuff like that. i, i didn't go,

don't get almost in the see a defense on that sort of, i did out of in d. c at the beginning of the month of mandel and all that. and what is the main dimension on it, be just a model units off on, you know, the system just likes it and say i couldn't of them. but the, let's see, let me look to see like tennessee, by the video in and out of a 2nd that on so being at that point i see on there the most to the boss, i need the last 8 of us you, i'm let me sadie, one of us, one of the stuff they've been in the meeting mcdaniels new battery needs before somebody that gets some given what's your, my point of view. okay. so you see that goes in a 2nd. i mean, either it is a bicycle of things on its own different things that are going on. i think the interesting the

the europeans should wake up and understand that via zelinski is regime the us not only conducts a war against russia, but also shortly. we can this your cousin, economic competitive, russian foreign minister, sir, gala bravo addresses the un security council about the deadly ukrainian attack on the donuts market. he says the blood of $27.00 civilians is on the hands of those who arm the scheme for jean hospitals in southern gaza come under. intense has really attack well. ambulance services are fired on and blocks from reaching the wounded and the to that you hear about the dire medical situation in the enclave luxury and one of the homes we didn't have anything. the kinds meet they give us is killing us.