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i'm action or time. feel welcome back to a brand new season of going underground rule. gusting. well, around the world from to buying the honda of them at least over $100.00 days have passed since the onset of young, the american backed war on guns and $65000.00 tons of bonds. 3 times the power of hiroshima have now killed at least $24000.00 palestinians, most the women and children. well, john list. so one of them trying to bypass nature nation propaganda in censorship. have now been killed in gauze of in john lists all around the globe in the whole of world war 2 and yet to washington. and that kind european states continued to back israel, now facing genocide charges initiated by south africa and backed by the arab league at the international court of justice. the by the ministration is being bypassing congress to approve weapons sales to kill the children of gaza. and then turned

them with britain, both backing israel strikes in jerusalem and 11 in syria and iraq. they have a really bombarded the world's poor as country human, which defective sanctioned israel in shipping and supportive un resolutions on palestine. joining me now from rome initially is full of my british diplomat allister crook. he was once middle east adviser to the army and unions, foreign policy chief and is not director of the baby based conflicts for him. thank you so much for coming back. i was so happy new year, obviously. not happy with it. yeah. yeah. as long as you're going to have the view . yeah. for many people. so i'm not quite sure if the schedule attendance of beside the foreign minister up in spiteful is about garza human or ukraine. these scheduled to meet you foreign ministers in brussels. how alienated from the world of the us, you nato allies of to 4 percent of guys. this population is now dead, disappeared or wounded, are completely divorced, completely divorced. so ho, particularly the middle east is boiling with and they see these images every day.

and they see children that are dead and they see bones falling. they see the rubble pulling people out of the rubble. i mean it's, it's perfect. it's disgusting. and so they are furious across the middle east and in the global south as well. i mean, it is a, is actually stirring up a very strong, sort of antique colonial um they should like sentiment besides that. so when you talk about the international court of distinction, then in the aid from many in the global sizes, it is, is also your up in america, in the west, that song on trial as well, full of what's happening in gossip. i mean, it's a straight across, it's is creating something really quite important, i believe in terms of a new sent a month sent to month of, you know,

we finished with the groaning. so we finished with a lot of this hedge and the next the rules or we want to be solved for and we want to be independent. obviously the court, some people in the go was out believe was under trial as well after it has been seen by so much of humanity as a cool to for the hedge fund. as you put in, come to think of it. the gold is in the netherlands, which gave it's backing. i've never heard of the netherlands, a navy, a gates backing for the strikes by britain in the united states on the m. yes, i mean, that's right. i mean, but in fact, i mean, i think we should understand that it was actually a vote against it by most western states. i mean, it's away from spain. all said, no one, not joining this person, of course was at the front of the queue. so i guess we're ready for it and we'd like to join. but uh no, i don't think we're going to see this is

a great success and mattress packed. and it's also a sort of for all the puzzling because i don't think it a chieftain. in fact, i had one person, one come and take it courted her reputed missile strikes. i mean, it's nice to know that that's supposed to be therapeutic you might be trying that on the gossip, but i mean, the therapeutic strikes. i think what he means and what the commentator was trying to suggest is, you know, again, this is the west kind of send a message. now, what's the message? i think it's quite complicated because quite clearly this conflict with israel at the center of it. these walls is about to become more intense. it's already wide, but it's going to become, i think, significantly more intense in the coming days, a dresser. i think means that that is homeless. that his

route, unless something intervenes unexpected, is going to try and push has pulled up back across the river and economy. hey, most of the time the us envoy failed to get any political agreement. and this really is a said repeatedly that they have all these displaced. um is riley's in hotels on the dead sea and they've got to go home and that means it has pulled, it has to be pushed behind the atomic. let me just say that makes no political military sense because of course, you know, has bullets ms. also not confined to the 28 kilometers between the lead time a and the blue line of the size of let them know. i mean, they haven't immediately long range missile, so it doesn't really make much military sense anyway, but as far as ro, once that support america's given, the green light to it. so what i think is really happening is that in a sense, um, we sold to begin with the object to the white house was ready to contain the

conflict of costs to contain it was in gaza and to give israel pretty well a free hand to try and eliminate how much to say describe it in gaza, but they didn't want it to expand it. clearly. now they are coming to the conclusion. it is going to expand very likely, and that is into lebanon. and so i think now what they're trying to do is sort of send messages to iran to iraq and they've been strengthening very strongly in recent days to sort of say, look, you know, we don't want to wall with you. but don't campbell, don't allow this to become more intense, don't allow the war to widen. because i don't think the united states once a war with iraq, they understand that that is a bridge to fall. but they want to make sure all sides. so that trying to attempt big down and iraq and in syria in the,

in the month. and i think that was really the purpose of these miss hall attacks was sending a message to help. i mean, i don't think it was a very convincing message. well, i think some people would say they said that what they did is send a message to me. uh that uh, international shipping and commodities are more valuable than with children of gaza . and premiums have gone up. they must have known that was going to be retaliation is not going to make premiums go down and then close the on your point about as we'll learn. of course, in the past few days, iran has conducted these strikes into focused on and, and iraq and syria. do you don't think that every, as it will surprise you as well the some people in resistance movements in the region may be wondering whether there's a bit of bluff that's been going on since the victories of visible the just have 11 and 926 and so on, they don't really reacting and some people saying, you know, we're on, is attacking these most of the headquarters, you know,

in groups like this, it should be doing what human does. you know, i disagree imposing. i think both ways saying here is there was an agreement amongst the front, the actors, the excess of resistance, whatever you want to call it, the, the, this stage, this process that we're in the moment this conflict would be by consent that all of the parties would consent to it, but then they would be free to do what they thought was necessary once it to be clear. it was, oh, is this? it was a desire to avoid the sliding into a major war where we're going to see nation states all their infrastructure destroyed by bombing from the united states or from israel like we've seen happen in gaza. so the i'm was always to protect the nation, states itself, the structure of the nation state. and that would be the if you like the,

the share and the actors like has buller and the unsolved law would be in the, at the front. and the nation state would be if, as much as possible, kept officers of it so that it didn't slip into a major war. and the 2nd part of it, and the end of a sudden, australia made this very clear and is 1st speech. she said, we're only gonna really get involved if we believe that how mazda is in trouble, is about to, to lose it straight. and that's not happening. and he did say this time and we, so i boy beta who speaks for some, but graves was saying, look, we've reached a 100 days, is time to increase the intensity. now this is a very calibrated process because you know, step by step up the ladder. so that it doesn't, if you like, bring

a guessing bowl to the middle east and destroy many people's was underscore needlessly the infrastructure of states and send us whole back, you know, tend to us. so i think is very tacitly calibration. and now we've moved to a period of greater intensity. we saw that they were on the striking, both in partis, done and in the rock. and indeed the rock is striking into syria and against american bases in iraq. they were striking at murray from bases and syria to actually make yeah. so yes, we're in the. yeah, it is american auto pine troops. yeah, no, no pets. these are income i, i, that may be clear to those who live in the global south and bricks nations and shanghai corporation organization countries. but you began actually by talking about the rhetoric imagery coming from gaza censorship in

west and your advisor was going to just quickly talk about less than your given you would advisor to the foreign policy. chief of the 6 crime allegations have been headed, baby stories, and they just sort of disappeared. i think a lot of to a lot of people were cussing doubts on them from the original attacks that last year. let's move on to land. as already said, how mouse alone is responsible for what is happening. some of the support for is there any genocide from the council of your political committee? they all going to discuss it apparently towards the end of this month. clear that west in your uh, could be co conspirators in any conviction for genocide at the i. c j. yes, i mean, this is the style of europe now and of america. the, you know, the, the main mess of the west, that somehow we are culturally superior that we've inherited those from greek sold. and the, the for, you know,

we have the right mandate to lead the well is over. and the west, most of the states just don't accept that. we all somehow have this election to leadership. and so we see ball or west is fix to a narrative. it tries to get the winning narrative. well, my has is we have the winning narrative and they have a 20 narrative which is not as good. and we repeat how narrative from the top to the very bottom and every one, let's say the same, same narrative. of course, what's happened in, in iraq in ukraine, that m l square is even with god, matters has been sold, has descended into deception and to blake, like on the part of the west pride trying to sustain these merits. it's the so they say all these things, and of course everyone understands no when they say as of on demand, i think said

a rush who is losing a new crate. i mean, it's are not, since you know long, but the says this is just kind of magical thinking. so this is, i, i mean, i think this is the case that we, the, we are suffering across the board. so all these things, casa ukraine, all of this, we must support the narrative. otherwise the west is finish because it's mrs. deteriorating is frank mentee, and if it also loses the narrative, then where over it's done. well, maybe that's what's coming anyway. maybe it'll be quite good for the west to go through the process cuts losses and to try and regenerate itself in a new way. in this new year. it will be not easy, not fun. but nonetheless, i think the west is so much in the, in the state of the klein and terry issue that we do need some form of cassettes.

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don't want my show stay main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again, it's not. we don't want to watch it because it might just change the way in the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here without us to pull the british diplomats and founder and current director of the baby based conflicts for him a how so you were i don't know whether you're trying to ingram she that because you're in the it's really about the new is yet to be born in the vanderbilt one since i'm speaking to you from the middle east though, and clearly it's being watch the death of the old, the very close be here. the response from saudi arabia in the u. a has to be new orleans to clearly given rep rushmore with their on and syria. and what happened before you m a now has the right to self defense under the u. n. jot that clearly,

whereas israel has no right of self defense. of course, human has the right of self defense. israel doesn't. uh well what's the likelihood of the us trying to use the united. i remembered saudi arabia guitar, you basis to launch their next to british and american ad strikes on the i'm and i think it's highly unlikely because i don't think that any of the states really are looking for a resumption of the conflict with some unsolved and am a recall the table sofa table being recipients miss on a tax from a young man as various times when they crossed the red line as far as the m a niece concerned. so i think as i say, you know, the understanding of the resistance access is that it is not to cause a big more, it's not to destroy people's economy. it is

a slow if you like squeezing of the israel and the united states to the point at which they have to stall in gaza. and it's also about changing the power to breaking the whole power into. but just to underline that, i know that iran, for example, which is a sort of principle in the resistance texas and sits in the sort of the control room for the see operation office office sent for it. i mean, this was consulting and reassuring sign here. reagan and making sure it's not in intro, it is not in the runs interest, it's not in saudi arabia's interest to have its own energy infrastructure destroyed . neither of them. and so i don't think there's really any likelihood that that's going to have those communication then. but how a goest must badging be looking at the destruction of world trade routes,

which are going to be worse than to buy these british and american aztecs not of somehow things are going to be best for the chinese economy because of this. and of course, for exports from the persian gulf and gcc as well. so what you're saying there is communication, but they kind of powerless to stop written in the united states listening, disguises escalated. i don't think, i mean, china, of course is watching. i mean, i think, you know, they have a long term vision and so they can see that what's going to come out of this is a new global holder. and it's going to be global order and which china and russia are good to have a big se. so i don't think that that responsible to box it. but the other thing is that there are new trade roads openings. they all take root is openings. there are other routes, trade routes dropping to north south car doors opening up. there are a lot of things that are open make that were intended. oh,

as from the beginning to sort of less of the couple a little bit from the cities come out. i'm from the show, the points which the west sits, all so i don't think no, i think they understand what's going on perfectly well. i mean, they'll be some people who have some real exposure as far as i understand, you know, if it's the chinese vessels who are not landing in israel, or if it's fresh and vessels that buzzing through the red sea on hand. i mean, clearly scandinavian members of nato in the wake of the ukraine, that was part of the american response to it. and so those optic roots then, but then what about mahmoud abbas, who sits there in jerusalem? we've seen this arithmetic situation in the west bank and in jerusalem is american protection of a bus all. it is really stopping the why is us not being killed? i to are you to know. so i can say is, i think it's

a westbank is on the brink of explosion, which could have so rarely arms knife edge to attention. there is huge and i don't know. and is it american protection? i don't know. i imagine it just, i imagine is protected because he's not useful for the americans and for the west. but if i mean, he is completely ignored and dislike by 90 percent of the palestinians. so i mean, he's a good, relevant, it's not really important. i mean with a he sits in the mikado, not, i mean, it's not something worthy to waste much time on. and as for the censorship in western europe and to american populations, maybe there's less then since you back to the united states, because it seems to me that the demonstrations a bigger there for about a city in solid energy than there are in the west. and you are a double us have the whole session on information wolf or is it. and i beginning to fail the big silicon valley of censorship organizations,

high tech censorship organizations. are they as the palestine managed to break through the sensor? as i'm not entirely, i mean, you know, sitting here and in europe in western europe. i mean the, the, the 1st day of the culture of justice and the head was not covered by western media main street media. i mean b, b, c. so sky stage orders and concentrated only on it and return to it only on the 2nd day when israel was presenting its defense. so it is still very much. everything is locked on. you're not allowed to refer to the south african pace that they might take, very coaching the i might say from the, particularly from the the, the irish lawyer. she was fantastic. and she argued on live

on legal tubs, which was really important and not just diverse. it into sort of solely emotional feelings. yeah. but lincoln state department when they were just, i mean they didn't deny it about being worried that they could be done for co conspirators. what happens then? i mean, i mean, i suppose the generically just as is shown in such posh ality in previous years of its existence. can you really can we foresee blinking past me being held liable along with joe biden for aging genocide? and can we see countries like britain in a stray? leah being told that they failed in their obligations to prevent genocide. i think you know that i think there are 2 aspects here. i mean quite clearly. so, you know, we've had problems with what is a criminal act in terms of the rules of the war by this bombing

of cause and apparently western states, if you like, come involved in that. and we have the same with the genocide case. now i think so as i understand it, they, it's a majority both when it comes, but it might be sometimes it comes from so it could be a cellphone or something like that or not. and i don't think we're going to see america in the adult somehow. they still have a privileged and exception is positioned even though they're not positive. i mean, you are advisor to the foreign policy of your equipment, and i mean, you'd be advising joseph beretta and i don't know whether you'd be thinking, preparing to, you know, redone the trend is, i guess you'd be advising that you foreign policy to what's the situation i, i will be saying that the, the european position on what is happening casa,

is atrocious, and is entirely wrong. and they need to understand they can simply stand by that position that we stand with israel and read every single face context as if you know, the, the incident, what happened only has happened on the 7th of october and there was no before and no wide uh, context of this, this was just something that, you know, that was done by a small group. and then they attribute it like, this is the same thing. they do. and ukraine, you know, russia southern movie illegally, the heart, decided to invade you great. as it still was no history as this noise in the background, there was no 2040. there was no, my movement include data. i mean, this is, this is how they do politics. it. and that has consequences because the consequences

that they don't see a big pond here. what the rest of the world is saying to them, because they say no, no, this is an art. this is what happens when says, this is a narrative. no, there's no question. there's no of, there's no other any of these exercises. this is american. but when you do that you can't hear, you, you, you lost the ability to, to emphasize or listen to what other people are saying. they come even listen to what the russians say anymore. no, no, no, we don't. you was like, we don't pay any attention to what you said. i should say that i, i follow to exactly. i started by saying, well john list were killed in gaza. so farther than the whole of world war 2 gonzalgo lira, the us john, this, the state department appears not to have helped us to, i'm less money advisor lensky is a torturer, is a, so it's a p as rooms a, because i don't, there is a parents indicative of uh, how little the united states protects us citizens if they go against the narrative

and dangerous for us nationals around the world. if they do is not agree with us. you know, i mean of course uh so gonzalez. yeah it, it was leased so. um, but for i think all generous and indeed all people who comment and facing truthfully with any integrity. all right, chris. yes. i mean here in the, in europe, i mean, you know, you can be canceled. you can be penalized in, in many ways, or the most obvious one is that you'll just smear with somebody vacation. usually a navigation that's of a sexual nature in order to damage your reputation for good. so, i mean, this is an, in fact, um, the whole of the, of ups, the main topic, the paper that they sent out was how dangerous it is. and we must do more to stop

this information. i mean, it's mentioned time and time again about how what the main focus must be. how do we 40 percent of that was the population we're going to election this year and only 10 percent chance of them getting it right. and therefore, we must, all this information mile information from taking root. well, i think that's all name of the store. many, many will be hoping that uh, yeah, judy is on his case. uh, the guns in february is more important than those people then double. it's just finally then, so the way you're talking, i mean, by the end of 2024, then complete defeats violent from nato and ukraine. nicholas tail made still in british media. right. then that's already happened and it's happened. i mean, maybe incomplete the defeated. but what about china, they gonna desperately start going into the stop trying to see, or they're going to be too frightened to move. concentrating on the u. s. selections as a, he's up. as you know, china is in

a different position from russia because china is a big trading country. and, you know, it's one some lesson. so, i mean, i was in russia recently and you know, there are no channels of communication with russia. i was told that the vice level that, you know, there's nothing they treat us like the enemy, they just near eclipse. and i think china looks at this, and it has no illusions about, do you not with united states and whether you know, any since about the united states in china. but the same time, they don't want to get into that position where you know, all the channels of communication. i'll talk because they are a big trading nation and they've got different interest rusher understands that china are on the stand side, but they still work very closely together as a good thank you and that's for the show. i'll continue condolences to those very by the you get us back. it's.