is in a different position from russia, because china is a big trading country. and, you know, it's led to some lessons. i mean, i was in russia recently and, you know, there are no channels of communication with russia. i was told that the vice level that, you know, there's nothing they treat us like the enemy, they snare excess. and i think china looks at this, and it has no illusions about, do you not with united states, even with the, you know, any since about the united states and china. but the same time, they don't want to get into that position where you know all the channels of communication arcot because they are a big trading nation and they've got different interests rusher, understands that china are on the stand side, but they still work very closely together as a good, thank you and that's it for the show. i'll continue condolences to those very by the u. k. u. s. back slaughter and guys, and we'll be back with a brand new episode on south of angel. then keep in touch by roll official media.

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the hello, i'm manila chan. you are tuned into modus operandi. what a difference a year makes in the world of politics, from the american mainstream media to the halls of congress, and even states who share borders with ukraine. little by little we've witnessed and erosion of support. today we'll talk to a former ukrainian diplomat and whistle blower who will break down just why the veneer of victory and support for the load of mir zalinski is quickly fading. all right, let's get into the m o the, the, what would you do if you witnessed wrong doing by your government?

how would you react if your own government sanctioned a nazi hit on your life? that's exactly what happened to our next guest in 2020, before the conflict in ukraine unfolded. and as more stories like his come to light and helps explain this. erosion of support and confidence in the proxy war waged against russia using ukrainian blood and treasure. joining us for analysis and to tell us his side of the story is andrea tell us jenko. he is a former diplomat for ukraine once based here in the west. he's held several high positions within government, including advisor to allister and prosecutor general victor shogun. andre, thank you so much for being with us. first, i'd like to address the media smears that you endured back in 2020, just weeks ahead of the us elections. now, mainstream media outlets such as cnn and nbc,

they wrote articles about jo calling you a disinformation aged. they said that you lied or misled us. officials about that in the tories, hunter, bite and laptop, things of that nature. now, 3 years on all this evidence has surfaced that would exonerate or vindicate you. talk to us about how these narratives have changed over the last 3 years. a. yeah, it's all the media. all of them actually the, the west called me a russian agent precious by a lawyer. and that i'm gonna payroll, the russian government, accenture, which is total life. and, and that's also be concerned and there's with us is that, that's one thing. but the other thing is, everything i set everything i talked about, i'm providing the sedation above the primes, or the buyers found to very slot through blue star strategies, the log in firm which lobby that own robins. but fortunately, the work for the binding families there on the south side. what's the 1st,

the different sources? dozens of sources on the capital m. s. the on other until groups who came out to the southern and congress confirmed that was a said 3 years later, 2 years later. but so today i'm asking you to everything else and it's just ignoring whatever i said is to continue to call me a russian agent. to see or me and to see my family i had to seek. right. and because of all those, uh, uh, indications of the i see i have my family offices because they had, we're getting traction to the so today i'm getting best threats online about my, my family. and this is just a great example of how the state, if afraid of the truths how everybody is afraid of people like me. come on, tell the cheese to what's as low on the situation. what happened? i was one of the person who was involved in my dog, and fortunately to be paid,

i saw them. if my, what else is what happens then i was working to be trained on it. and after that i saw how the reset listed. it should happen. and what happened under which to show people was the prostate general. i was advised that the time when was the dish list continuing, and the american embassy was trying to block. and i wasn't which of that that it was her pet research strategies because they knew how what was the process office. but when i understood what the work that they were doing, and they would try to, frankly, because i was working with rudy giuliani at the trump t. all these training involved with the elections of trump stuff she on the surface . right. so i came to the set and it came out with the truth with my e mails, with my personal information. what i could provide at the time because the, the lock box, if you have a wrong set of rob mclaughlin, united the center. so they cannot, you call me out and get all the information from me and the day that information is

still in my hands. and i room to provide that to the us government, this tigris, their parking party, which is 2 numbers initially when 200 buying right now. and i think this puzzle together with all the information i said 2 years ago and today with everybody else coming out with the truth. this, from what i said, we're going to add to the value of the picture here. because for me, it's not about nor positive, but i don't care about the speed problems these people problem working or should i use it? they will destroy like actually that's how they use deep writing as a rat corruption, right? they brought corruption more corruption to print and you know, there was direction. ukrainian, government was corrupt and they probably more pressure to use it. and they use it for going benefit to this former country and the country. they use the greatest and destroyed by the united states government by dividing that storage. so this is why we continue to fight today. and i sent everything i said was confirmed. so dozens of other sources of what he says and everything i provided with personal email

central invitation to treat me lewis, i strategies, referrals. i don't when it comes off it was all 100 buying original. i wasn't wrong contact with the worst i was looking for. josh, to contact the child to finish your parents from a shuttle and that information or provide what russian does information isn't nothing because the traditional which assess, i'm wondering in communication with them, which was published in the front of the report in 2020, which i started johnson center, grass and everybody got to and today that's everything. his name was jefferson again, which say god choose will to well, so and ukraine is your home land. you served as a diplomat for your country. for many years. you were based at the ukranian embassy here in the us, but then in 2019, but one way or zalinski was elected president of ukraine on a, a platform of a friendly ties with russia, a very moderate approach. but then by 2020 zalinski was singing

a different tune about russia. what happened there? what can you tell us about that timeline and how the us or the west plays into that? and, and coincidentally, we should add the u. s. revoked your visa in 2020. yeah. yeah, that's correct. i that sanctions full sanctions by the us government in january might change the 19th of 2020 by the state department's us treasury department and the faucets and illegally for being a russian. asians were connected to people as they're kind of sure, i never knew, i never got wasn't long and without any evidence, they just put that on and locked my visa and box any of my son actually, i've tried to job in where i brought right now because of the sanctions and i got a bunch of towns because of the sanctions on the i cannot travel to the us, canada, they are the case because of the assemblies. but the other problem is that,

like on my personal government training, i got these off to g mazda to call him today. you called him for the last 34 years that he also sent to your cartridges showing for because the us government section just its setup to the 5 in ministration. he did that and i'm assuming i'm an assistant quarterly paid. i'm the only one on the practice to the press, the extra credit or replace the supreme court. and that's awesome fat because what he did is illegal in any way. so, and i also got followed and, and that's the stretch by goes oh, photography. and by the last, the members of parliament, a tv on tv, because when the house had started, they said it should. children go down on the street because he's a russian agent. and there's a section by the us section where you grant, so he should be shut down as a dog, and that's it. without any trial,

that's how they pushed it on tv. and i personally got calls from members on, on the team and pushing for to so this is for the train has become but what device do you have to be taught? what did he was he did come on the platform of juice and kyle was rushing. everybody around the train bell rooms, i'm going to use the heritage he transferred over, which would be unusual coffee. just come out of the par shinkel regime as a new way for the crane. that's what the final 75 percent of the brands want. doesn't matter why don't want, they want a piece of wire posterity. so you press one to enter the password in the world. don't boss just join their own citizens. and just what does it say that he will make a deal? he'll come pick them if the courts back on the table and find them and get on the bass. lucky to pray as an autonomy, but we praise right what we see today. the price is divided in total and sausages, losing more and more territory. 600000 men and women really for an army have died.

a lot of thousands of from the russian side have died. we have our total bloodshed list, the pressures that came and a platform of 80 piece. and what happened? 3 months later after the because the president and craig, he got bought off by the british intelligence and my 6 in june of 2019, he got caught up and brought him to london. and that's when he basically made a choice. and he understood, and he knew that he's going to be in a more, at what for what top over she and government in the rush. that's what you want. the top of the come in the rush. that's what, as long as they have to study, she printed not one of the about. they only wanted to go against the rushes, and that's what the last the started up for. you sign up for to go and destroys all people before the country become a billionaire. trustworthy the promise you will have all the wealthy needs in the world, but he will topple government in russia as excellency the role of the frame. that's

this was in london by family 6, and today it's been coordinating totally my watch while i'm in washington are part of the home. the doctor had brings pc grant because they understood they cannot do that the 1st 3 months to go look at the government boss. so the standard strong that the partial 40 of the present and he's supported by august people. there's only one per social left russia and so they were all working with the west. and today they're only making one motor. industrial complex is making a profit adjustment to you in this war. i'm showing more and more the printer's making dollars on this as a legacy is part of this is just a puppet, which is being used when every other partially frames because there's no opposition is involved in this to. so just to reiterate, just so we got this clear, the a 's of threatened you and your family directly. that doesn't sound very

democratic to me, but i will sort of remember towards the list which is a phyllis, armando 1st. and i was told that 2 weeks before the cost that started in the right, i was directed right away to the 25th of february. and by their way, i could even buy some family members that i know the smartphones. but just just to know because people were so fed up with the government so much propaganda, but officially that's directed by members of power members retrained from the source of party, another party special party. it was my pictures, split our tv and my name was split up to just to be shut down and rest. there was someone weapons on the street. the 1st couple weeks you took a shot and nobody cared about what happened to you. your body would be just thrown in on the street and they said, all this is what have to rush or something more. he got shot by his own resorts just by whatever, make a show and nobody will investigate and does all the time that personally i was put

under this as a potential was to be destroyed. so just because i stood up for peace, just because i stood up for not war, just say the crate. get that done boss. the part of the frame. i have to live at peace for life, and the cost was praying and not to have war with rush. this is what the only other for any political party and then support any candidates. i don't support russian president for the russian president polish president. i supported my own country and that's what he wants to do on the phone because i had my independence view outside of there. but we got the box coming up next. drugs, delusions of grandeur, e g o mania. those are just some of the accusations being leveled against be one time man of the year, but let them hear zalinski. we'll discuss it when we return with andre. tell us jake, go so tight. the m o will be right back. the

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the welcome back to the m. o i, manila, cham not long ago time magazine picked him as man of the year. then just a year later, they published an article sort of bad mouthing him in a way of in the way of unnamed sources to talk more about this will bring back andre, tell us jenko. thank you so much for sticking around with us andre. so let's get into the circles more closely aligned to mr. zelinski. a recent time magazine feature article quoted several unnamed members of presumably his cabinet, who leveled insults against him, calling him delusional and even messy attic. they seem to say he exist in his own world, divorced from the reality on the ground that ukraine can somehow still win this war

. do you have any ideas of who these unnamed sources might be? and, and what this means for the inner workings within the zalinski government. i mean, is this the 1st fracture? are there going to be more fractures to cub? a dozen the detractors to get them off? the vice president of the credit you can call her. here's the one who's paying those games and has his own team. let's do all of the pop and worked around. so long for solver keeping him in a bubble, there's a bunch of tv, i'm going to bubble because they understand the actual weights makes exchange like a problem with the west side of the same time to understand they have loss. so people are still the same way within the team, but you're mock and his surroundings are the ones for pain that the window and see for him unless they just have a gas to like put it out. for example, a guy who used to be get ecologist as this official profession became

a political expert and you throughout the country false can change the print and make profits from different populations and never with any electric. and this guy was hired by the last, the driver's p r. such people are the ones we're trying to do against the let's take a few shy and for him of the season. but your mouth is the biggest player who's going to run off the 1st of the 1st we're going to start change it because he understands and to save yourself more than anybody else because he's was responsible for more the back fused around the last the rate involved getting him in the ball was the british than anybody else. so he, he's the one with people's lives through this whole bubble. everybody's going to where you have to understand. that's why i think 2nd thing is, so once you have those either she is a drug, then a slot, some folks say, oh, it's lots of that's very serious devices, you do truck several trucks during the lecture time he got off the truck after the election time but after that,

the shop of yours was this. we're going to see you started going back and drugs. ok marijuana. somebody just haven't heard of drugs, and this person is the one who's running depression. that's why he still does lucy . that's why he is the use of the perfect, perfect, perfect. i'm actually around this whole show for somebody else outside of the train . so those main people are, you're not, but they're not. there's a group of sense. there's no charges to me. you mean you're training, which is paying their own p. m, against the exhaust the same. i'm una garcia, so different there's different faction sections within the government and some of them are calculated. there's so much personal safety reasons. if i do, i don't want to get so, but we are within the consulting craig, and we have specific things as we are working together with the west. and these people were prepared 2 years before the war started because they're going to have their own key. if something's going to go back, because

a year before the war even started, these people knew what their role would be, what. ready started going to that, so this is what the, what was leading to the printer. so the war using these pockets within the machine to play the own situation. now thing you question. all right, so you guys have on elected bureaucrats as well, and your actors have similar problems to our celebrities here in the us. all right, got it. so well, let me ask you, then, is there a room for defense among zalinski is rank and file among those who have his ear? well, they have to, 1st of all, the only person who cannot, who can disagree with and the team is here. there are people who are who, who do disagree, but publicly because he can never disagree. they have to play with them to see 1st of all, because the last isn't even a he owns the experience that he can solve this k. he, the 1st was the, i meant to ask you a couple of times after you got to like, uh, he offered me key because on the message washington, one point which i got to go replaced and got

a not and parts team. i would never want to be part of ever seen this with it, but i'd mentioned before time. so this person, this person who used to play for money sauce and party languages for which she premiums mean she saw in dollars when they were drunk and create and use them as a tool to just to have 5. can imagine this person got power, especially for the struggle throughout his career to stay on floats and make money . any way possible. the thing sounds a little, pardon rogers was there you see, good spot, all gars waiting there and begging him to talk joe from their try and this person to play the role. he became the he got power support from the west. what, what, what kind of pushes that can be, it's a, just a person who go for a total destruction. he would not care about anything for himself. and this person

would destroy anything around that. if he thinks is a switch, he thought of near the thread that's like exciting to me. he thought of other people, a script, regular, local experts in the print who just took all so kind of a piece, a lot of my friends that shot and killed the claim by the secret service in the 1st weeks of the war. just because the set against darcy and white piece that's like the, that's a democracy, the west, the supporting level people like when i projects is also some present right now you probably know legally, but also there's thousands of ukrainians who just that shows because of their position not supporting the war and not support exhausting. and this order was given the support it from the top, i personally but every day, but just to deal with a water, anybody who doesn't sports me and has a little political weight or possibly to go on there. they have to be destroyed and liquid in. that's what happens. now what as the latest news that the european union

has now reversed course and are now opening accession talks for ukraine and moldova, i mean this would be a boon for ukraine, but wouldn't this be a detriment for the you in that this would be an economic drag for the block. first of all, the european also open such a possibility for turkey in 2005 just so yes, the church is still in that situation where there are possibilities in terms of you, but they're not in the because they, there are political situation which you have to go to for about an hour. so if you, if you will not for the journey between so you, because of the economic situation, your, the, the union was the right house or the freight environment possible to go further. because she's a german process. one of the process actually you all are chemist, chemical industries fall apart because of the high gas prices to pay 40 percent

higher of the page for the gas prices years ago. cuz if they're buying from united states, and this is just an example, one of the top top economic growth structures, and you're sure they're still striving them today. but you can see what other countries. so today you, what's the point is they're gonna start getting pregnant fashion to the you, what the situation, the question of what will happen when you can start present more territories? what is the destruction booty with all the work they say, reactor that's watched and that's why you bring this out and have a chest is joining news really fast. they are free to learn. find him within the fast find the which is prompts to the printer will never have to fast on, then go to the find a surface or inch. so right now the promises promises and promises that just have to show something because they cannot get somebody today. the $50000000000.00 doesn't pause, so they are showing the 3 gratitude that be praising them. although it's been

a joy, they're using mobile the same way they use the print, the start of the carnival center, and it's actually, it's a lot of course. she's in here as soon as we print it. unfortunately for me, it's hard for me to say that like my own car, she one of the poorest, even though it was one of the pictures on the surgery. so today it's just again by european that's what i believe. so there's going to be a track for your particular fast north and he was to europe to good because the things you find is in your backyard. yeah. so things seem to fight for them and help them, but unfortunately, this is just a fairy tale for your time because they don't really understand. they cannot get your training the way you accomplish. so if you cleanest. ready extra jointly your opinion because the total structure for you and your family will fall apart and they will do that because the countries 4 percent will not be able to support that because the plan they don't want to have them set up what your plan is to be use

for the proxy countries to the rest of the can also for their own interest. it's already worked on because quite a lot, but it's of interest trusts. it's really quick to watch that sometimes for so that's what the last version puts on washington. some of the interest of furniture is on countries. nobody else. even though their phone number watches the interest of the truck, i think that's what they have to do. and then if you start talking about you, you are something else after the war as we can continue this talk. when we print, we'll never start watching. he joined the system with the other possibilities to join other economic o institutions around the world where the possibilities replace eugene to, to come from grow from the was it was not from your show. andrea tell her shank a former diplomat for ukraine. thank you so much for sharing your story and giving us your analysis. we certainly wish you and your family well and maybe one day, a safe homecoming. it was made to be on your show and i hope to be on again and all

the best you thank you. all right, that is going to do it for this episode of modus operandi the show that dig deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host manila chan. thank you so much for tuning in. we'll see you again next time to figure out the ammo the, the russian states never as tight as one of the most sense scheme and the best english . i'll send some of the same assistance,

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the american and british mandatory forces. launch a series of strides against gammon, where us central command says h, inside of the target. europeans should wake up and understand that via zelinski is regime. the us not only conducts a war against russia, but also sharply weakens europe as an economic competitive. russian foreign minister sat again laughter of addresses, the un security count, so about the deadly ukrainian attacks on the don't have some market. he says a lot of $27.00 civilians is on the hands of those arms as a land students hospitals and southern guys i come under intense is really a tap, lot of ambulance service.