the cross fucking leadership decline. i'm joined by my guess, garland mix it in washington is a political analyst in new york. we have margaret kimberly. she's the executive editor of black agenda report and in monterey all recross. and matthew everett, he is a senior fellow at the american university in moscow and director of the rising tide foundation of canada across stock rolls. and in fact, that means he can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate garland, let me go to you 1st here. when the by the administration came to power it started banding about this phrase, rule space order. and then it got all of it. satellite underlings, to repeat the same thing because of the complex, ongoing conflict in, in gaza against where the war on gods is children. we should put it. and then of course, the far, it's called the ukraine war. where is that rules based order? i can, i can find it, i don't know who it is. and whoever invented it should be just disappeared from public life. garland. a. yeah, it's simple. it's simply a mean american hegemony,

unbridled power, the law of the jungle and it's being exposed. it was always the same build, that kind of rhetoric is generally used internally to convince the people who are supporting imperialism, that they're doing the right thing. and that it is, you know, of benevolent form of imperialism. the people of the global south, the people who have suffered from these uh, you know, constant wars and the machinations of domination were very, very aware of the reality of the rules based or we'll say a certain essentially the same question to you, margaret here and by extension here, the rules based order with some kind of moral supremacy. i don't see any of that now is a matter of fact, i see a morality deficit in n a and, and it's in stark relief now considering what we can see in real time, what's going on in gauzy here. where is the leadership here? when you have countries say, oh well, you know,

make the claim like south africa has a genocide is being committed in gaza and then you have all these western capital say, well it doesn't look like 10 is like to me. well that isn't genocide. what is it, margaret? as well as the point here is that genocide was defined by the united nations in the late forties. there is a genocide convention. israel is a signatory, so if not anyone's opinion about what is or is genocide, this definition has been accepted for more than 70 years. and you can now say, well, this isn't genocide, especially when netanyahu and other is really officials openly publicly brag about doing things that are by definition, war crimes that are, by definition genocide. i mean, i can't think of a worst country to try to vouch for, frankly, but the rules based order just means the rules for me and not for the. and this is

a situation where in with this terrible lack of leadership, which has hurt the u. s. which has hurt is real, but we are not talking about people. you said there's a morality deficit. i think there's an intelligence death to save. i. i can't recall a more incompetent administration. and that is something that saying something here . the main see if. okay, matthew, you know, we have a newly minted a french foreign minister and he essentially, and i'm paraphrasing here, said the israel, it's not possible for israel to commit genocide because it is real. this is the lack of intelligence that margaret just touched on. go ahead, matthew. yeah, it is becoming very difficult for the year of most people in the, in the entire world outside of the united states, including americans themselves, tv sir, this type of, of rhetoric and people in europe where there is such an obvious disregard for the concerns of what the people actually want you have farmers across in germany, across the other one. and now in france, who are really fighting for their lives,

because they can see that their government is, is, this is, and i'm, you're talking about all of your, all of north america is animated by an ideology that wants to destroy or their livelihoods, their means of existence and that's not very democratic, but they're being told, these are the democratic governments that are supposed to represent freedom while they hear these leaders who want to kill them and destroy their livelihoods, to shut down carbon production or, or fertilizer used for these weird abstract limits. say things like this, but in that israel, another nation which, which believes that there's some sort of a divine right to was to have some greater is real. endowed by the creator and some weird covenants 6000 years ago that they can do whatever they want. they cannot do genocide because of that fact. it's very did this in chatting and i think a lot of people are being uh are, are, are having difficult time receiving these messages. yeah. so my, i think all of us are that's why we're doing this program. you know, garland, you know, and i look at some of the main broad seats and magazines like permit the co comes

to mind here. big they never, uh they ceaselessly talking about right wing groups right. wing revenue radical right. we, well, they might be right wing, they might be just different than the status quo. we could debate that, and that's a well worth the debate here. but, you know, the, the west is supporting a supremacist regime in cuba of and in, in israel minos zionism is openly racist. the, it's a premises. and, and, and of course, you know, we have these elements in ukraine that you and i have talked about for years. they were there, there recognizable, even the new york times talks about it lamentably. but they do recognize that here . what does that tell you about them? a western values about tolerance and diversity and all about it, it's all put to a sam garland. yeah. and i think what people are coming to realize is there is a, a big difference between the values and principles of the people in the west and the values and the principles of the ruling elite, the ruling, the lead have lost their legitimacy throughout the world. and amongst the people

and their own nations, that's why the people are, are in the streets. the farmers are in the streets. the people are upsets. jo biden's support is collapsing amongst his own parties, constituencies. and trump is the, you know, a very strange and i'd say a year, but he's pretty much looks to be winning in a blow out because the people are figuring it out. and the divided ministrations of the ruling elite are now isolated in the world. they're isolated at the u. n, and they're actually isolated from their own people or a furious that the their government no longer has any concern whatsoever for their personal needs. well sir, darling, just to extend upon that here, if you think about it, and i'm glad you bring up the farmers in europe, the farmers also in america, you know, what we have is we have the ruling elite that just punches down over and over again against the power less, you know, there's, these people are considered a threat, but they're the ones that have the least amount of power. there's no iron need there. go ahead, garland know, and if you, in the same way that there are some isolated birth,

both to externally and internally in the, in the empire. they read more with the world. they're saying to everyone, you know, the world we're trying to stop us from ruling everything we can't do it. and they're saying to their people, we're afraid of internal authorizing. and so we have to sense are our own people this, that whole davos business about censorship being the most important thing simply exposes that they write more with their own citizens and they don't what their citizens have a discussion about what they're really doing. margaret, i see you nodding your head. so i think your reaction to a garland said to be better than any question i could ask. you, go ahead. well, i think it's very obvious. a garland is quite correct. uh, these are people who see they see the people they are supposed to be governing as enemies. they want us to shut up. they want us to go a long uh it, you know, it could be people being censored, uh, and what they say about is real, but it could be any number of things. some of these platforms, as we all know,

sensor people. we have a situation where at and here in the us now everyone talks on and on and on about democracy. they do not believe in democracy. they do not want the people to have a voice. that is the last thing they want to see. we have a situation where the democrats have said, we're not going to have any primaries at all. we're just gonna let by the coast through. so he could lose in a blow out, assuming of course they don't at the last minute pull a switch and pick somebody else. but there's not even a pretense of democracy, not even a pretense that they want the people to be heard from. that is the last thing they really want. well, you know, margaret, there's still another option here and i don't want to be melodramatic, but just don't have an election like an ukraine. okay. it's what are these extraordinary times? i think there's basically this calendar year is going to be unprecedented in unprecedented events. matthew, one of the interest things we're talking about, the division between the leads and the, and the people and,

and margaret is already brought up by joe biden here. biden has chosen his donors over the people, even his own people in his own party. matthew yeah, no, i mean the, the entire agenda thats enemy to be the democratic machinery of the democratic party machinery is very different based on what it was into the time of, of john f. kennedy. bobby kennedy with martin luther king, which had a, a very different vibe to and i think a lot of people still have a sort of romantic view of what they think the democratic party was. and they try to, you know, pick and choose elements of what they hear, abiding, or bernie sanders or something say that reflects something that they remember and their vague memory as being something that would have been said by a kennedy past. but this is, this is long past the matthew john f. kennedy today would be republican, maybe a liberal republican, but he probably wouldn't be, i'm sorry to interrupt, keep going. yeah. and, and so with martin luther king junior, for that matter. and i, i think that if you, if you think about it, if people are just unwilling to recognize the evil which has taken over like a virus and taking control of many of the, of both parties as far as i could see,

there are outliers, outliers within parties but the parties themselves had been taken over by institutions that are tied to this global is difficult, which it had been represented in america by the council on foreign relations for over a century and other different branches of this, this thing, this, this oligarchical apparatus that has wanted to undo the american, essentially the american constitution as something which has any meaning or weight in the world, let alone in america, and especially bring about a restoration of an empire of, of, of, of the very thing that the american founding fathers ironically bought. so far to why are you from and to or, or just accept the oligarchy that we have. okay. and the oligarchy has exemptions. so i think that's really what it is here because they'll just put in a constitutional amendments to solidify their rule. i mean, i, it's, they'll get it. there's so many different avenues here. what most importantly is they want to deny be the individual individual rights which bind in the

ministration. it says that's the world is divided between democracy in a and it's obviously, you know, it's a leads and everybody else, matthew, you know, you're right in and i mean that's the thing i there is john adams who is, who said a long time ago that america it is a need, a new type, a new type of nation, but you only work in a moral and religious society, but it is fully unfit for any other type of society. so if you don't have people who are internally moral in are guided by their collections, you can't have citizens, you love subjects, you'll have people who will just be inclined to fall prey to whatever shadows are created by shadow puppet tiers. who damaged devices. the that's all, but that's all by design is we all the general internal data and lady were good to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on leadership decline. stay with our to the the

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which if one of the deals are participating in english to cancel the familiar, the 5 video students to check on the board has shown that and based on your team will ship them to the doctor to be available, solution accessible was in your list of all the so with this the welcome back to the cross stock. were all things are considered? i'm peter to belcher mind you were discussing leadership decline the okay, let's go back to garland, garland and the last sentence of my introduction to this program is i said that then when there is a, a vacuum, others will feel that there is

a leadership vacuum in the world and we see a number or a number of countries, a number of organizations that are beginning to fill that vacuum. and i think 1st and foremost on our mind to south africa is brief on to the regarding israel's ongoing genocide. here in south ask us to stepped up and i think we all should be very proud of it. okay. i wish aram countries would be part of that brief, but will hopefully get there one day. but this is a challenge to western leadership. all of the things that the wes claim that they gave to the world and maybe to some degree and still, you know, freedom of speech due process assembly all the, in a religion, freedom of religion. they're turning their back on all of them. and remarkably, the post colonial world is picking up the baton slowly, but surely, garland, you know, i would take a different position. i would argue that the, what we've had in the, in the, in the us in power for many years is the illusion of these things. the illusion of democracy. i mean, if you put a bullet in the head of the president,

and in the next guy who's going to win in 68, you put a bullet in his head. that's not democracy. if you look at what has happened to bernie sanders in 20162020. so what we've been dealing with for years is the illusion of democracy. the illusion of a foundation of reality and, and principles. when we've always had the rules base international order, you know, of our, if a junior recently and a speech said that he understood or at least supported the tapping of um m l cage of martin luther king's phone. because he may have had a communist in his circles. well, the reality is, of various political views are protected by the constitution. so that would be a violation of the constitution, whether you like any ideology or not. the constitution says you can practice that ideology as long as you don't attempt to overthrow the government through violent means. so the reality is our k junior base,

we said i understand that here we kind to see that we go by the constitution, wait, wait, but a reality that we don't this as being exposed now for the world to see. and for the people who are brain washed in the usa bar, who believe that stuff? well, that's a good point, but i didn't mention democracy when i went down my bucket list here, but i, i get your point, i get your point in a mark or, you know, what, let's, let's continue with what the wireless just say it's really interesting. the illusion of democracy i, i'm not gonna argue to strenuously against what he had to say, but i would add that there is a growing him is a ration of people with when we see this illusion, you know, be with the mass coming off you, we see more me is a ration, and as long as you can keep up the illusion of what garland had to say, fair enough, things can go along, but when that illusion is being shattered, that's when you're in trouble. oh absolutely, and we've seen this happen slowly but surely over the years and now speeding up where people have no security in their personal lives for

decades, the minimum wage hasn't gone up. real wages haven't gone up at all. uh, the little bit of stimulus, uh, health, just poof, it disappeared by the came into office, brag about that. he was gonna cut child poverty and half, which was a great exaggeration. but all those problems are just gone. and people are not supposed to notice. so what are we told? well people just are stupid, they don't understand inflation has gone down, they're really doing better. they're just too dumb to know it as if your bill at the grocery store is lying to you. so i think that's absolutely true. the reservation of the people that's part of the issue. this illusion of democracy weed we talked about is real biting is circumventing congress to give israel more weapons and more money. there isn't even a they don't even see the need to keep up the pretense. so all of these things,

the misery ration, the lack of democratic policies, in fact, the way people are being treated by those who are governing them, all of it shows this illusion of democracy and the veil has been lifted. yeah. but matthew, everything that we have talked about him is a ration here, the democracy deposition, the leadership deficit. but we're all asked only one question. do you condemn us? see how they do it? that's it. if that's what they do, it's just change the subject. okay. so and, and that's, that's what's really frustrating, and that's why i'm glad to have this platform is to be able to point these very simple things out. they want us to talk about things that they want to talk about. i don't want to talk about those, say, i want to talk about what affects me in my community and people around me that i care about, matthew or? yeah, it's always the same trope, are you with us or with a terrorist attack on you. you get people to just be me, is very controlled,

control the dialectics that, that are completely fraudulent. the real solution is why would, why did the c i a create, i'll try to begin with in the seventy's. what, why is that? why they continued to use different radical islamic groups as ponds for the west indies, stabilize governments that we don't like that are looking at perhaps a little bit too much for their own people are not playing by the so called rules of the game or the rules based order that as opposed to keep them set traps for some western rapacious operation. so we're not asking those questions. i think today's 2022 years later after we acquiesced to the cost points of 911 of being given this type of balls, opposition. i think a lot of people have woken up to the fact that we were lied to drastically and permanently to get a security surveillance state dragnet and a new age are forever worse. and these stabilize governments that we don't like that's led to the current situation. so i think that there's a lot, many fewer people who are believing necessarily this type of false dialectic, but the, they're trying to get as an, as a formula that, that's been done since ancient times. yeah. you know, you know, you know, garland,

you know, why does the united states have to fight israel's enemies? and it means that the united states and israel actually created in the 1st place here. i mean, before we started our recording here, you pointed out to me, i said, happy new year to you and you said, yeah, we have another war. me. why use the united states is incumbent upon the united states to fight other countries on the behalf of a country that doesn't quote, really actually does not share our values. i say that ironically, go ahead. garland as well. i would argue that israel is an imperial military outpost and the in the middle east that all of data will, is there in the united states. me, i mean, alexander hate referred to israel as the, as you know, are on single aircraft carrier. and what is an aircraft carrier use for? it's used to project the military power from the empire r f t junior, also referred to it. so they don't see israel as actually as a country. they see it as a political tool is related using american bombs, american ships, american money, american, everything. so it is, as i've said,

often go often times before us, when a criminal uh comes to the scene of the crime, he puts on a gloves. so we won't leave his fingerprints, there is really, is a glove right now, so the us empire can do it to dirt in the middle east. and it can, you didn't least have some of the implausible argument that it's not us gets these real bits. all the us, well, what that, but that's, that's a message for cable and the broad seats and all that margaret, the whole world knows who's behind what's going on and gaza. sure, these riley's may pull the trigger, but all the bombs came from the united states. everybody knows that now. okay. except for people in the west, particularly in the united states. margaret. well, i think the people know uh but the, the so called leadership uh, promote this uh, this lie which is so obviously a lie. and that's one of the reasons that there's a lack of legitimacy. you have this state that is uh,

carrying out these facts. you have the corporate and media, we have to talk about them. all they do is cover for the by the administrator and the new york times, the washington post are worthless if you really want to know what is going on in the world. so we have this elite group controlling things lying to the people who know that things are wrong. that's why there are thousands of people out in the streets, protesting against what the u. s. is doing. and i, i actually blamed by more than anyone for what is happening and god, so he's the one person who could stop it. he was one person who's bad judgment lead to this escalation. and the people are well aware of it. and that's why he has an approval rating in the basement. but matthew, there's, i don't see any change, of course here. i guess that's what is so mad name is we all watch this a play out in real time. we can actually watch a genocide in real time. i still can't get my head around that here,

but there seems to be no, no one in power that is willing to change gears. what they'll do is just change the slogan, which doesn't change anything on the ground. matthew, you know, its heart wrenching and just seeing how the, the fuel was being just artificially poured onto the fire, which we could see so easily turning into. i mean, it's already 25000 people have, have the civilians have died or already and thank god you have little things. south africa is taking a creative stand. it's, it is forcing a discussion into play society that's not supposed to happen and that's good. but still, how easy would it be to cut off the fuel for misfire by simply saying, as we should have said to ukraine, no more funding, we won't provide the weapons, we won't do that. and it, we, it would, it would resolve itself if they, if there was a will. but there is, there doesn't seem to be a will from any of those who are operating within quarters of power within the west . that could do something about this at this point. so it's very demoralizing. yeah, it's the moralizing. it'll, garland, i don't know how many times that clown, but i'm blinking has been to the middle east, like i said,

4 or 5 times now. and on his de escalation tour, what does happen? it only escalation has happened. is that intentional? yes, because i mean the de escalation, torrance act. one of the last times tony blinking went to the middle east. he said we're going there to de escalate. he got on his plane and while he was in the air flying home, the united states attacked him. and so pretty much we've learned that if tony blinking says, you know, go right, you should go left. if he says a mean, you know, up he really means down tony blinking and the by the administration are people who are not trusted by anyone in the world. they are not capable of making a deal and, and going along with it. they don't have the more on the foundation to keep their word, nor do they have the inclination to keep their word. these people are, are, are psycho past. in my opinion. you know, margaret, i want to visualize something uh anthony, blinking in a orange jumpsuit. does that, does that warm your heart add to the blanket and bite and

n yahoo and european leaders and some of by his predecessors? yes, it does because of these war crimes apply to them. they always get some strong man in africa or some place to bring before the i c c. but all of these people in charge of the so called rules, rules based order should be in the dock in the hague as well. okay, matthew, last 40 seconds. go to you, my friend. well, we're, we're definitely living through historic moments right now. and i, i think that a, the weight of this, this potential is issued. we do have a multiple or lines. there is another destiny that is possible for us to, to take part in. but at the same time the, the danger of a potential total annihilation is, is a real one to. so we have to, i think just to be present and be aware that the future is under determine and there could be a livable, dignified future that we did with you for that is certainly such an amazing point to end on. there are alternatives out there. this we and we can do that and it's only going to be people like ourselves that can make that alternative possible.

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