mozambique had lost tens of thousands of his sons and daughters the, the top headlines right now here on the russian military, trussville playing crushers in the bel garad region. renaissance was carrying 65 ukrainian prisoners of war as renaissance. meantime, everyone on board us said to have been killed. let's appeal to the us congress and the gym and when the stock, so that the deputies finally realize who the funding and who the housing. this is enough, see regime made reports. the plane was down by ukrainian and miss dial rupture says it will take the case to the us congress on german booth to stop. and as the crash makes headlines, that ukrainian media outlet folks reported on the incident, claiming, quote, it's that job. the headline was very quickly trade use and references the kids

involved with all of a sudden dropped the . what is that good to have you with us uh for this live our from uh to international in live in moscow. we bought them all for the fork about, so let's kick it off right now. we all kicking off now without breaking news or an aussie international if you didn't already here there's a russian ministry. transport aircraft has crushed in the builder of the region in the west of the country. have a look at that map was carrying 65 ukrainian prisoners of war who as we understand are being transferred for a prison, a swap. the plane came down around 11 am, must go to time in the field near the city of builder road, investigators have been dispatched. another identical transport of carrying ac ukrainian prisoners has since been devoted, and russia says the prisoner swap has now been cancelled. for now though, the russian defense ministry gave the statement on the 24th of

january, this yeah, at about 11 am most scared time. and i l. 76. aircraft crashed in the belgrade region. during a routine flight on board was 65 captured, ukrainian service been being transported to the builder and region for exchange 6 crew members and 3 squads and a false commission forward to the crash site to establish the causes of the crash. starting to look like a shocking case, a potential friendly fire here is we have all these are shot, the 2 best get out. joining us to live in a studio to continue this fluid breaking news situation call what an awful story. this is what do you notice of? well, as you mentioned, we know that this happened at 11 am most go time that they had apparently been an lute for me. so i was in coming from ukraine in the morning. we also, and the some of the allegations of this illusion, a cargo plane was hit by a ukrainian missile as it was carrying 65 ukraine in prison. as a rule to belgrade for a prison, the swamp that was due to take place over the next few days. we understand that

there was $74.00 individuals on board. so this also includes the crew of the plane and also those who were scolding the present as a full full that as we've seen from social media, some really incredible footage of this large illusion plane coming down and then a huge full of fun. there's also images from social media showing the wreckage of the plane in this snowy fields. of course, belgrade is down in the south. west of russia imposes ukraine and it's an area that has been frequently targeted. particularly in the last month with me. salas, for me quite an entire tree. i'm just back in december. we saw a deadly start catching both a ride. 25 people dying. but going back to what happened today, there is the suggestion from many different sources. now. this was the result of, as you mentioned, frankly, fall at ukraine for hiring on it. so

a 1st one to bring you some comments. this is from the chairman of the defense committee in the state. to me, this is the russian parliament who suggested that the me so i'll that hit this call . the plane had been supplied only the west for a summer. listen to what you have. say we have the federal with somebody else will citizenship. the 2nd eel, 76 aircraft followed, which was carried about 80 more prisoners of war. we managed to turn it around. the ukrainian leadership was well aware of the impending exchange, was informed about how the prisoners would be delivered, but the ill, $76.00 aircraft was shot down by 3 patriot or irish t missiles of german production. that's not fione confirmation that we're having some officials within russia, but they believe that this was ukraine target taking their own probably on accident . we also had a statement from the state duma chapman who talked about ukraine, essentially killing the rone in what appears to be

a tragedy. the right. yes. i mean, i made it cons. gimme a new me american in germany. me sell shot their soldiers in year. their own, their mothers are working their way through wasting their children for waking the pilots of our military transport aircraft for cameron, outta humanitarian mission, and were defenseless. people were shocked with watkins less preparing the fuel to the us congress and the german boot into stock. so that the deputies can finally realize where they're funding and helping. it's a not to resume fed by biden, crohn's shots and other politicians. they must realize responsibility and even peace must impeach, you know, right where this becomes a little bit more murky. and you mentioned this briefly at the start of the program, is that you krinski a prophet which is ukranian based paper, had initially said that it had sources within the ukrainian military that had admitted that it was one of their own missiles that it hit this pollution call go

play. now it's originally said that was because it believe that the plane was we supplying the russian military and that it was carrying s $300.00 military systems . however, that headline has essentially not being deleted. that information is being deleted and is now saying and treating. this is a story of it's crashed. i can't really tell you much more. so really interesting to see how very quickly you claim newspapers were claiming this as a new queen and me. so now we're getting this information that this was carrying, potentially 65, you putting in prison support. they have deleted that rolled back on it. and of course, that's because if they have talk you through it their own and it wouldn't be the 1st time that they've done this. but this is not going to go down well in cap. and you can imagine they were many families hoping that their loved ones were going to be possible christmas will, which has not been cancelled. and it wasn't just the 65 for review and some that

there was a 2nd call, the plane carrying ac prisoners of war from ukraine. so that's $145.00. prison is due to be swamped in the next few days of russian soldiers. and that's now not taking place. the 2nd call go plane turned back immediately off to the 1st solution was hit, which we believe by this ukranian missile. so it was a russian illusion. transport congo plan is a big, big across it was a russian crew. and in the cargo hold many dozens, at least $65.00 ukrainian p o w is. i'm curious to see what the mainstream media, how the western press is going to spin. this will have to see how they, how they go to the story in the coming hours or so. but all of these are solid rubens. great. thank you. well, a school is located near the place where the plane came down as we have a sam pilots managed to change the direction of the plane and take the aircraft away from that city that's according to a local residence. so how about us? the pilots directed the plane away, they are heroes. there was

a school nearby. children were studying. the plane crashed into a field. the village was not affected. everything is cordoned off there. there is no way to get there. that's. that's what tom learn more about this right now. what is the continuation of breaking news on how to international my go ahead put, try of policy is very understanding by invalid road on the phone, 9 megabyte, i'll have it's rory, it must go. i hope you can hear me. okay. do you have any more details for this breaking news? i don't know. it's when you hear me. yeah, i've got you. yeah. really. yeah. you're right. the level around 11 am russian hill, $7.00 to $6.00 principally, fell down or on 40 to kill them. and just from the front line, russian minister of defense of that. so they were 65 degree in prison. so 4 and 6 crew members, along with pre escorts on the plane, they were moving to bill good for prisoners of war exchange. we, we do know now that the plane was shut down by a mile ukrainian petro,

to the defense system, pull iris t state, do math folks us and said that's a local t i n d and the village of yup. on our know, told me local bubble told me that she had 2 or 3 fuse explosions in the skype. and i'd like to shed light on how it was in belgrade, where we were at the moment when this happens. first of all bill got. those has been bundled, the constant shelving for almost a month. i mean, you creating and um, it focused on a daily basis with more towards how is this a try goals, me do, and a short range me. so basically everything the, the house. so sirens can be heard here and there you can see, or you can hear the defense systems into something or in the sky. but this time was they thought it was different because it was, the city was overwhelmed with rooms with sirens,

tv and radio. were shut down by, you know, shut down by russian emergency ministry warning, the ox, everyone to go to the shelter down the we owe you people and i hope will result will report on the price side the right out to produce. i'm not gonna, which i have, sorry. what's some of the latest on this breaking news here on oxy international? that's a give you a quick reminder here on the program about this incident of the russian military transport aircraft. i came down with 74 people on board a most of them ukranian po w's, the jet crossed in belgrade. the regions had confirming that, but no survivors of the crating defense ministry has rejected. old claims. it was involved, but eskimo perspective on this now with a serial to alaska and aviation expert and do a political analyst joining us live here or not. you international great to have you in so quickly circle. thanks for coming in here as an aviation expert right off the top of your head, your 1st thoughts hearing about this crash and then actually the footage of seeing

it go down. well, at the very 1st video that i've seen about it and then we can see the problem during don't any very, very steep left my candle probably trying to avoid houses and living areas. and then i've seen another video which at the end of it wasting the next guy, quiet smiles, which clearly indicates that something exploded up there. okay. okay. so we already know that your opinions acknowledge that the very beginning that the by mistake probably or for any given reason, i don't, it's impossible to say right now. it was most probably shut down. mm. but, but generally speaking, i mean, it doesn't just go to one side of it. i mean, the, the lucian at across it is a massive transported across. i mean, like the, on the phone off, are we talking some really big pieces of equipment here? i mean, these are basically been pretty reliable of what causes for, for, for the russian military or not. it's a very reliable aircraft that has 50 years of existence, but been through

a different kind of retrofits with new engines, new black skeptic and everything. it's very strategic at work force that leads to so basically, i'm just not the point, but i mean the rely, the reliability of the it is not in the question. there are an use. and you said also several that you said in some of the footage we saw that it looked like there was a small explosion in the sky like perhaps perhaps assigned to an impact, maybe of a miss. i'll not connecting with this across. i mean, but right now, like being an aviation expert serial. there's hardly, it's not, there's nothing less. so if it's at a cross now, it smashed into the ground. you start to norm was 5 people coming from it. how difficult now will it be to investigate the true cause of this? well, 1st, we will have to gather the remaining of that aircraft last probably to identify the remaining is of that act brought them,

put them back together. that unless we can listen to the cvr and the d of the are that were probably in more. and so the circumstances are known, the goal is exactly are you have to be there to mine and what this explosion i had an impact on the aircraft flying capabilities by itself. and that, that is going to take time is going to take flight is going to take target. or of course it is what, what about, what about the doesn't it across like the illusion that does it have counts and measures? does it have any kind of defense capabilities that you're aware of an see miss all abilities? well, this was a menu bar and flights, bringing ukrainian prism as a war back home on the tragedy of this is that as a human that you many during flight? i do not know the story. a number of the sacrifice did not know exactly how it was

equipped for this address. but most of the time, civilian aircraft on not equipped with the d quarry or anything like these consumers is and, and probably it was not the case. but that's, i mean, once again, it's a you many during flight mixing up the military flight even leave the evolution. 76 is use the military or in civilian lines in the front, the highest countries, but this was 0. this was all part of a prisoner swore. yeah, what to these aircraft and one of them was shot down as, as we can pretty much say is pretty much cleared one to start now. but this is a prisoner swap. as you said, is a humanitarian mission. here you would imagine that the key of moscow, despite what's going on on the ground in ukraine, you'd imagine the key of and must go to maintain a certain amount of good contacts to arrange these prisoners swaps that do happen fairly frequently. what do you think went wrong here? well, it's a very tricky question,

because now we're leaving the area of facts to go into the area of speculation. speculation, right? right. so as an india shouldn't expire and then ex all, and kept in myself. i don't like to go in speculation, so i like to stay in. in fact that said it's and think about, but the ukrainians didn't know about this flight and the root, the, the, those 2 aircraft would be used because there was a prisoner extension. ukrainians weren't going back on the russian prisoners were doing that going. so it was known and both sides. that is for sure. but if it was on the, on the, on the ukraine inside, in care of, it does not mean that the guy behind the rad i system and the guy will launch the miss. i was aware of this and the good identify clearly what kind of fat craft today is whether you many during flight or could have been mistaken by the rather

risk for another kind of a flight that we are in pure speculation. so yeah, i'd rather stay out of this isn't the really okay, i mean, but just speculating. pick more. um, it is possible that the rogue soldier in the middle of the middle of the complex on with, with no idea about any prisoners swap deals, may have picked up this. i plan on his radar and shut off and miss solve it without knowing that it's entirely possible. it's speculation, it's a, it's entirely possible. and it is entirely possible. but i also remember that a year and a half ago, your premiums deed bomb. they are on prism those war and it's right in a, in a prison in i don't remember that and i was a lot of as of yeah. fighters from that from what is it near the top? they've got yeah, exactly. yeah. so they'll read it on purpose. mm. i wouldn't dare to say that they did it on purpose in this, in this case. but there are precedents. mm hm. that's, that's how much you're coming out, especially from a, from us go official, the,

if indeed this was a miss aisle that took out this russian illusion transport plane that it might have been american, the old job. and obviously, we know a lot of western weapons have been pouring into the consulate in ukraine. but if it isn't american to miss all or german miss style, do you think responsibility needs to taking into account in washington or in bowling? well, once again, a couple of days ago, i was at the very same place of speaking about nelson r as in ukraine, and that we spoke briefly about the brother system, a system like this. you have to understand that when and i will repeat myself when you have a new system coming from america, germany, or even france, arriving in ukraine, that is ready to go to an operable on the battlefield. you can imagine that the guy behind this is not, are you crying guy? because it has not, the training has been, it has not been trained to train somebody and run a system. it's not in 2 weeks. it's on pets, right? yep. it's about a year of training, right?

mm hm. so once again, speculation that i don't like the billing situation that i just need certainly don't want to do this. but if it's um, if it's a petri up on or um, an iris piece uh onto me sided system who has fired the site physically. i mean, do do, do that in which it comes down says you're thinking, do you think the truth will come out before the russian investigation is wrapped up? well, from what i've just heard before sitting here in front of you, is that the ukrainian side or with the 1st acknowledge that the uh yeah, we screwed up and then they backed down right after. and now the narrative that we'll probably come out of it is no, it's not as that's the russians we did it. yeah, well, let me that to me. typically the western press will spin it to some sort of effect like that. and then like i said to, of course want to try to do but see, i am curious to see how the western press spins. this are probably say that russians shut down their own aircraft or something along those lines. i'm so tired

of hearing the spend these days, and this is, it's a tragic story of this. you know, a senior correspondent, but i guess the ever spent a lot of time and ukraine east these talked about the circle trophy radios that are being taken from soldiers who have been captured or killed. and they've talked about the different languages that they hear on these ukrainian radios, but essentially, all these tropi radios, they hear american being spoken, they hear english, british english being spoken, they have french, they hear a lot of polish being spoken at all for a lot of powder springs spoken as well, so you understand the amount of $4.00 and $5.00 as well most scenarios who are operating in the complex own in ukraine these days. so it's going to take a bit to get really the truth out of here. so, so we understand that it looks like it miss out, they take out this rushing it across, butts who shot the missed all the particular key of originally saying it was on job and then it quickly hushing that up off of the understood they shut down their own guys for a prison as well is equal deluxe. uh you are an aviation expert in

a group that will analyst joining us if it's breaking news coverage. i really appreciate your insights and your comments for you. thank you very much leisure. anytime. thank you. as well, it's not the 1st time there been claims of ukraine targeting. it's a back in september 2022. as a guest with saying members of the ass off neo nazi battalion were killed off to the prison with directly hit by shouting, open out the room. and called the rep who picks up the story more than 50 cap save as old battalion members were killed when ukrainian shells struck a prison where they were located. now more than 50 were also wounded and they were brought to this hospital. today they are being released completely healthy right now. i'm going to speak to some of them and find out how they were treated as an union member, i came here as to for you from shell in any event. if i was going to numerous times more than a dozen shrapnel wounds and that stuff we've been treated very well here with food and medicine, treated as if we were their sons and grandsons. there will probably numerous

victims we had been definitely sets off and you do not have the rest of the forces helped us. i don't want to believe that it was ukraine shooting as of the following through. there was an explosion and then a fire immediately eruptive. everything began burning inside the building. there were screams everywhere, horror, confusion. people started running out into the streets. i had friends who died there. losing i should pass or having spoken with a captive as of regiments members, i took away a couple of things and number one, the most of them don't want to fight anymore. and number 2, they want to see their families again. however, their fate is unclear at this point. will they be exchanged or will they be tried? you want to be a soldier again, i never again uh i'm not ready to to answer yet. so i used to be as an i, i've done to it belongs to myself,

so i cannot right now, and that's what i do. i'm not the right to stay because i do not see my family for a long time. so i probably won't go out to fight, i need to rest. so half a year ago, everyone was focusing on their careers. and now everyone, i know it just wants to have a family. we all understood the most important things in life or your family and your health held up in not to say the least i'm you see if there was an exchange of prisoners, if there was a chance for me to terminate my contract as a service man, i will terminate it, most of all, i feel sorry for the children and other civilians who aren't involved in the conflict, but it's still hard to buy it. and even for that. yeah, and, but i have a profound sense of empathy even before this understood what this people doing is going to gas going to show they were tired of leaving. and the cost of the threats there were motion exhausts to, to so hard for them to do that. so many years, it's just not pretty. these as of regiments captives are now making their way

back to the prison. the one that was shelled by their comrades back in july. most of these people were injured. when you create a new shell, struck their barracks right now, they've been healed by the local medics who sold them off. and they're hoping that you create in shipping will not happen again. scrolling a call for a party, then that's people's involved. so a quick reminder about breaking news or on the russian military transport aircraft and illusion came down with 74 people on board. most of them ukrainian po w's. the jet crashed in belgrade, the regions had confirming no survivors. the crating defense ministry has rejected all claims that was involved to give you the details on that. in the moment. it was carrying 65, you cranium, prisoners of all being transferred for,

for prisoners swap. the plane came down around 11 am must go time and have failed. near the city of belgrade report saying, suggesting has been hit by miss saul and investigate this. happy dispatch to the scene. another identical transporter carrying ac ukrainian prisoners has since been devoted rusher, says the prisoner swap has now been cancelled by the illusion. aircraft is a multi purpose fixed wind transport plane used extensively by the russian apples, a channel, another russian state to my has pointed the finger of blame squarely at kias for the tragedy. i kept them in. i made accounts gimme a mean american in germany. me sell shot their soldiers in the year their own. their mothers are working their way through wasting their children were waking the pilots of our military transport aircraft for carrying out of humanitarian mission and were defenseless. people were shocked with watkins less preparing the fuel to the us congress and the german boot the stock so that the deputies can finally realize where they're funding and helping. it's a not to resume fed by biden,

crohn's shots, and other politicians. they must realize responsibility and the piece must be impeached. so as russia is planning though, is involved in this tragedy, ukrainian media outlet, the 1st report on the incident claim that was quote, bed job. now that headlines suddenly change in old references. the key ups forces being involved with dropped so you basically get the crux of it right back. when this plane was 1st shut down, this russian transport aircraft with all these you creating and p o w, see crazy and media said that they had shot down the problem only when they understood their own people were on board. how's that narrative now being deleted? with telling you the truth on this story? this is all to you international. we are back suited with more details on this breaking news tragedy the

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within my original form. you've only seen 6. let's. if i say a little bit, i meant that me by east it gave us that it gave me the. the thing is i'm much like mental designs. i don't know if something else forgotten before mendez and yellow. the other was the district as a mentor. and because i feel that that goes on a little single, not i have someone got on the some still there's some beautiful when i say that you know what she for, she almost got bosses. it was sort of a little bit by side. you know, you gotta afford it though. it gives you noticed that it listen young version of what you see a. but as you put it on the, you know, there's probably isn't that he thought he openings for that on his. i mean, i get, i don't know about the election gonna use for the 90. that's what a him blow in there must united be flat up with a few of the main phones you put a portal. lydia santa for the 11 as well. we have them on all them in a way to finish up things here. are you ready? i'm with your screen out of the window. again, is my you and again is may not do but okay. it looks like, yeah, same and missed i guess one of a, one of those. one of my is one of the course i guess back from the later on

yesterday. but it will see like, instead of a need to but i shall send out a little video involved on my side. yeah. your okay little big see whole discussion was stopped by says that the that is funding. if you look at it, that is putting the feel, i think actually guess what? i meant that when i put the one in the field, the foods you know, how would i am in order to get done and send through, you know, the status. if i'm out of main audit, pardon, pardon my unit and a list of dallas gas, so either i got a minute or nobody a side of my unit, the uh what i have them on the and get on the ground at our level that up on let me uh see i would defend together one single mrs. stuckey single mrs. same method. you know savvy. see why not they want a van to the line a little bit. suffice to so i don't get that accurate. it doesn't look and on on, you know, i mean, if one of us are not being, if i will kind of one of, you know, i'm, and far more about kind of moon coming, you know. ok. so don't know, given and no say get and get out of getting cut out yet love my you yet. then if i

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