a recent impacts, but since the full not in good and my income was the longest running and most of the bloodiest bottles of these conflicts since the capture and the liberation of money could buy russian troops. they have found out northwoods towards cut off the gulf. good, a mazda, a weeks kilometer is covered to the west. we have a good record of which russian troops of already entered, that is the next time westwards. off the money to south towards nova missed call of goods varies. no said that there's a shortage among you, credits of uh, telling me shelves provided uh by the west and when the guns go quiet, the drones, the kamikaze drones latter is the biggest agent to us and to many of those uh the, the drones come out hunting but the situation is such that you create a throwing thousands, thousands of drafted conscripted troops into the meat grinder into the front lines . he hastily erected a front blood, which said desperately trying to,

trying to hold or to fight back, move in a beat to stop the russian advance. wrapping up the program with a quick reminder, as the international court of justice and the hague. today, instructor israel to implement a raft of measures to prevent genocide and essentially cub the violence in gaza. but according to his, rightly pundits the strangely happy with his decision and the war more than likely we'll just carry. this is off the

the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered on peter lavelle. few issues of polarized the world recently, like israel's war on gaza. the west defends israel's colonial side a little project. the rest of the world looks on in anger and discussed what we're witnessing is the end of the west 500 years of global hegemony. it is last moral authority, the

cross hockey in palestine. i'm joined by my guest in martin in washington. he is an attorney and former member of the republican national committee in new york. we have line or he is a legal and media analyst and didn't be real. we cross all the risk. he is a writer and political analyst, right. tell me, costs are roles and effect. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate ali, let me go to you 1st and be rude. lionel aggressively racially has been on this program week after week covering the guides issue. and the 1st time i had them on, i asked him a quick question about his thoughts about it. and he said everything has changed. and it's one of the reasons why i'm calling this program. because a shift in your mind, what has changed? i mean, in your country, in your region, in the world, philosophically, however you want to approach that question, go ahead ali, you will want to change 1st and foremost is the invincible homie reputation, which is rarely used to enjoy. now that reputation was shaken,

quite to be quite exemplary by the previous was the 2006 war here and living on. but i think authoration of the books are still and by how much has completely shifted on board and reputation for one. and i think that has led to turning us policy in the region of upside down. you have the major us highlight in the region which turned out to be more of a paper tiger. if you would, if you read, we could say, confronting a movement like thomas, which has much more limited military capabilities. and this force the us into which on my end i'm going to release your seeing now what's happening in the i'm and how the were supposed to be. well, most isolated when it comes to banking, israel, even some european allies, very important. you are being watched by the way, like friends, have distance themselves familiar with support for his room. russia and china had some interesting stance. as in this particular conflict, we saw

a delegation from how much visiting russia. and i think both russia and china wouldn't mind at all if they weren't able to. so the increased the influence and the ends less than the influence of the year west and the region which has proven to be quite destructive. and so i think all of the, the elements taken into account pointing the point to this broad, our shift to which we but this thing which is a result of the water and goes yeah, that's a very interesting observation. sure. well, i know, you know, in my introduction i talked about the, the lack of moral authority. and as we look as we speak right now, the proceedings i'm against is, or by south africa on genocide as being spoken about and will soon be decided. but it, it's, it's very interesting to me how the united states as a band, and so many of the principles that you and i, as americans were brought up with. okay. and it's, you know, due process,

rule of law, all of these things here. and there being so easily a band and, and then something closer to home for us is that, and freedom of speech is being attacked by people who we thought were defenders of the free speech go headlines. a couple of things of the people, many citizens for the 1st time are asking themselves why is there such a focus on palestinians in the course. they realize that this has been going on, you know, for 75 years. but for some reason they, they've a wage into this, this is the 2 points. i always say, number one. if we change the word israel to france, it will be a completely different argument. people would be talking about things completely different and there was a, you can do that. this is wrong. but for some reason, this kryptonite 3rd rail, kind of a cowboy don't go there, attitude current phones, people. and the 2nd question i have is, can you think of any country in the world that would send sure or,

or expelled it's college students for saying something against the united states on their college campus? have you ever heard them? those people are asking one that we're, we're be, you're, you're being expelled from a school here because you disagree with another country's foreign policy. when did that happen? so as i said, the rules are inverted, it's good choice. and it's about time the people ask themselves, wait a minute, who's in charge here? who exactly is the client today? the home? well, i was going to, i was going to get that. but yeah, do you want to jump in? you've been very patient, go ahead. i do, i, i just because i, i want to sort of agree with everyone and i want to point to leadership as a problem in america. yeah. well, where, where we sit and look at a president who does know whether he's come or going on these positions hit one day . he's the staunchest defender of israel, the next day he's, he's not, i mean, he goes back and forth guys, but you mentioned due process. i have to tell you in america right now and, and put aside trump versus buying in america right now. i think i'm going to sound

like an old fashioned bleeding heart, a c o u lawyer, i'm a lawyer. i never thought i'd say that, but the fact is due process has been lost in this country. if you could look at the january 6th, you could look at how they prosecuted aspects of almost anything. and i'm willing to move all the way to the point where i say to myself, out loud, did the federal, especially federal federal prosecutorial system become so skewed against those without power? by the way, that black and brown drug dealers, all that, that we have to really rethink this and i think we do. and, and you guys pointed to something you said the media, the power, the media is america. we've been, you know, a wash by the media that we had to fight you, craig and the ukranian more. it was the end of everything. and one day pivot. we're now we're going to go back to israel. i'm and we're, and we forget about ukraine's no my opinion, by the way, to say on the record. i think that what happened? what, how mazda attacked on october 7th is an existential crisis. and i think that as well as a right to defend themselves, that's a different part of this debate. but i would like to just say guys,

we in this country in america are listening to our big tech and big media. rain was just that we have to move on to the next fight we've got and the next fight is just whatever our, our, our, our narrative machine, big government, big tech and big media is telling us. and it's a disaster that you can not like trump, but trouble stood up to that machine. not always perfectly, but you certainly seem to be on the side of americans, as opposed to on the side of i don't know who. well, you know, did real quick and palestinians have the right to protect themselves too, but i get your point. i get your point. okay, i got you. okay. so all we, you know, i'm, you know, people always asked me the, do you like talking about politics actually like culture and society more okay. in philosophy, because i see an ad the case can of, of a moral stance here. i mean, the united states is also in the dock when it comes to genocide. and i don't think most americans, the vast majority of americans understand that. and just to echo with ed said they dealt with,

they'll never really know why on i talk enough to know that he's told me repeatedly that people basically don't have a clue. is it? i'm us one morning woke up and decided to attack israel. well, that isn't the story here, so we're looking at it from the region here. obviously israel wants the us to stay in the region. obviously it wants to fight its wars for it, but the region is resisting more and more. when biting went to israel, he was shunned by arab leaders. that's a turning point alley. before i answer your question, just very quickly about the client state issue, the definition of a client states is a state which serves your interests. and if you look at it from that perspective, i failed to see how you would support vegas around. so it was, it was interest, particularly with the car and not anyhow government. in fact, i think most of the offers it is true. america's working mostly is right interest. so with a visa america, i'm not saying it's for your clients state,

but it resembles more clients types of user. but thinking right now, in this conflict under sensors, taken by the, by the ministration, with respect to the question about how the region is resisting the american pressures. that's true. the, your seeing how they got many years, even soto law movement. how they haven't been detailed despite these attacks, despite the terrorist there's like a nation or steps which are available. i think a very important point to realize is that, um set to move in in this region. in addition to a wrong, you know, 1st law, i'm sort of law how mass they do realize that the american public, on more of an american, in general, is not ready for the middle east and adventure. and i think that's the last all of these players when they picture these later, later. but i want to buy another cross. i was across stop. i want to knowledge your . thank you. what your comments slide by peter on this member that famous interviewer trump was asked about food and then they said, you know, it's

a killer and trump said killer. he's like, you're all killers. i mean, my, my point is that i agree with the cut up the search and that's everyone's in the box. meaning we have to look critically at our own policies and say, what exactly is going on? you know, one of the last debates in this country about presidential immunity, as we know, obama was killing civilians withdrawal p themselves was saying, kill them out of a debate. but let's not pretend that there's not moral gravity to this bill. clinton was calling in bonds to bosnia way too late because the ed, my, my ed, you're yours doing the indictment for me. i agree with you. good boy, i the i is you don't, it doesn't have, i could do the home about buying me. okay. and who cares? okay, is a paul, let's see here, and i'm going to go to line on here for a 2nd here. it's a policy that has never been fleshed out and debated in america because people are afraid to say the true. let's just say go ahead while well,

a couple of things here. first and foremost, what i, i imagine just before a few said to you as most americans, what are the roles of bb that yahoo and victoria newland in crafting american foreign policy. most of them would say, i don't know who you're talking about, and that's absurd, right? because we're living kind of in the 1950s world where we think we're the good guys and the bad guys. another problem is, i'm sorry to say this, but when you say to people genocide and my colleague here who is a fellow lawyer, i always looked at the definition. tell me what, what, what the i c j means. you know, we, we have a law in this country called may have and it has nothing to do with what you would think it would be. so when you look at genocide, people have this idea of the holocaust or our schmidt's or something. and they will, in part, that particular ideation into what this is, when they look at what apartheid is to wait with south africa. doable. are time to talk about an expert witness. i mean,

doesn't get any better than that. so i have this idea. actually we have this idea that somehow these terms, they are, they're there, they conflict with our pedestrian st. ideas of what this is. well, yeah, because of the genocide is something that is historical. that's how americans have been taught a gentleman. fascinating discussion. i'm going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine. stay with our team, the the experience for the rest, the problem of the choice dreamforce that is before the so those 2 things, as i mentioned earlier,

is up to staple plan was not expressed here. submit item. so you may, to a matter of the way, can we cods, when your program, you know, open up in the front. and then for the 1st thing, you know, for will be street engineers, pretty much full time people buy from a bit lower francisco from over proof of those types of stuff that are coming up. and then you learn. so figured out a way of for to try it. so the, the, the, just the enough one to the, it's almost the, that the system, the good english isn't you know,

the, the welcome back across stock. were all things are considered on peter la belcher? mind you were discussing power, steering the okay, want to go back to only and be rude to you. i don't know if you had to suffer through watching some of the talks in davos last week um its insufferable stuff unfortunately. well fortunately i have people to give me clips, so i don't have to wait for the waste too much time, but always. and he looked into it. yeah. anthony blank and the secretary of state, he's a pathological liar. okay. now maybe that get gets him by in davos and his crowd. okay, fine. we're not invited to such things, but you know, the city, you know what, what i found really, i couldn't figure out was more disgusting,

what he had to say, and how nobody confronted him with a nonsense that he was saying here. but in your part of the world, you know something about how a foreign policy over many, many administrations as why to their, its own people in the interest of other countries, particularly this one country in israel. so again, these are the resistance that they talk about. i mean, they have the truth on their side. i mean, you can, you can go through everything that secretary state said, and you can, you can prove that it is not true. it's false. and, but i mean, i'm sure they don't, you don't have to be convinced because you just see it at face value lice. go ahead only just quickly before um in the previous satisfy. i was saying, just the point i have to make is the leadership accessible up 2nd person though, so like in a previous page said, america's busy in your crane. it has all the priorities. now is the time to work on making america withdrawal. now that's part of a broader strategy,

which claims in the end to point is really not very difficult situation because there's a conviction on the part of the what they called the resistance, texas that went out american in the region. that's when it gets brown will be really a bundle on face for the next a central chrysler. so you have a now i think a new strategy by districts in texas in the region which recognize that there's a us no longer has the resources or the time to invest that much in protecting israel with all we would do with it. oh worth. oh, also no more or for a to you to be there any more. okay. the iraqis want american troops out, syria is being occupied, you legally, but not by the united states. there's a lot of elements that do not want the united states. so i would say, and i've said this for many years, yes. view, i should leave the middle east. would it get ugly? yes it would, but the region would heal itself having an outside or arbitrate everything. the way it does in favor of one country is what is most disastrous for the region. your

thoughts are always like, like, well, i agree. i agree with you when the, you know, history says look at what, what else do you wish policy? is us policy in the end relies on military now, obama a result of the one time when you say that, you know, you don't need to hama to solve every single problem. that was the luck of the environment. criticism. one of the few bright spots of obama. so deputy, he left the office with 7 wars. hey donald, it's around to decide. donald trump didn't start one. okay, keep the apartment disagree. i'm just saying that the us and ministration given you have a you with a president to, with mental spiteful for leads in the american foreign policies, which somebody knows how to use military force which has on the sub the region itself. and that was able to set up the american interest by the way. now regarding blinking, i think was even worse than the fact that blinking is lying. we all know that the young or the american people, of course, when it comes to the middle east. and when it comes to applying for it to them to

just write on what is even worse for the us is the moment, but you don't have you no longer have the money. it's been, you know, people are, you know, diplomatic, think it was so know how to practice policy. it could look at this administration's jack sullivan, if you remember just i think about a week before that's cover and i think it was exactly 5 days. but keep going. yeah, that's the reason it's in the most stable period at all. so i think that says a lot about the us to fix battista, what this region affects the people who have genuine knowledge about the middle east of being marginalized. yep. by people who support, you know, the general approach of blindly following history on i think when, when the middle tara is ation, go ahead, right. edge of it, go ahead. yeah. you know, i, i, peter, i think i cut off all the last time so i don't want it this time. i apologize. but i want to say a couple things. one is your right, excuse me, we race to the bottom. we have the worst wires and not even good liars,

they're not even good at the job, but not sophisticated. i mean, they're just as you point out there, they're just, they're, they're terrible. i would say something different though. i think the post world war 2 now and, and, you know, thankfully, kissinger is gone. i, i pray for so, but he's gone thankfully, because we can stop talking about kissinger and his ideas. and we can say to ourselves, what is america want now? and i think the big reset since the end of the bush cheney era, which happened when trump one is what is a repeat, always republican, but i think american foreign policy as you point out, where should we have american interests in the world? you know this, this last december we celebrated the 200000 a bursary of the monroe doctor in the manual doctor. and if you look closely at, it was about the systems that were coming into the western hemisphere because they weren't compatible with america. but monroe said, we're not coming into europe because we don't want to mess with your stuff. read or you figure it out for yourself. i think more and more americans are saying, show us what the interest is in these parts of the world for us,

and let us assess whether that's valuable i. i want another show argue about how we do feel a certain more a debt to the is really whether that's accurate or not. that's how america feels. and i'm finished with this. we've been brainwashed. i mean, even that were just as good. i. i don't know. i don't see any obligation the united states as well as real 0. that's no, no, no, that's not what i said. the toss happened in europe. it didn't happen in america. no, but that's the my apologies for jumping in the president of south africa, serial. and i'm a photo or is right now talking in the wake of the i c j decision today. let's listen it forwarding in the region and is deeply concerned about the continuing loss of life and human suffering. and that's the catastrophic humanitarian situation. and the gaza strip is at serious risk of the tutor of 18 further

before the court to the end of its final judgment. we want to come to measures that the court ordered by a majority decision pruning. that is why the military should not to commit to acts of genocide that gaze of the students as i was sure to take all measures to prove. busy and, and punish incitement to genocide. furthermore, it should take immediate and effective measures to allow basic services and humanitarian assistance in the form of food, medication and other basic necessity is to gaza. and it should also preserve evidence of what is happening in gaza and lost it. you submit a report within a month on all measures taken to give effects to the i c. j order

within one month. this order is binding. one is right and must be respected by our states that a party to the convention on the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide we expect is dry as a self proclaimed democracy and the state that respects the ruler floor to abide by the mess just headed down by the international court of justice. after more than half a century of occupation, this possession oppression a part to the palestinian p postcards for justice had been he did by an eminent organ of the united nations. today is ro stands before the international community. is crimes against the palestinians laid

back since october last year. the people of gaza had been the victims of bombardment and strikes from land sea and a homes refugee camp. and then time neighborhoods had been destroyed and not even schools and hospitals and religious places have been spared. the people of guys that had been deprived or for the tricity, the fuel food and medical supplies. according to the united nations, more than $25000.00 people killed during is or as war with come us. and we hold the view that this has been collective punishment against palestinians in the gaza strip. among the dead outer leaf workers, united nations stop who have died in the hundreds as well as gentleness. we have

also died in their hundreds more than $16000.00 of the dead. our women and children . in october 2023, the united nations children's farm said gaza has become a graveyard for thousands of children born an unborn. according to the united nations, thousands of children were killed in just the 1st 3 weeks of the current conflict. i saw of africa argued in its application to the international court of justice, the highest civilian death toll and the sheer scale of the devastation that has resulted from is drives response to the 7th. october attacks is vastly disproportionate to any claim,

but it is valid that it has been acting in self defense with code is dr. a tex on garza genocide o x, x for which is what i should and must be held accountable. today the international court of justice has vindicated us. the court has concluded that passwords to articulate 9 of the convention. it has jurisdiction to undertake the effects of the order that the i c j has grunted today. is that there is a possible case of genocide this mux and import in 1st our quest for our quest to secure justice for the people of guys. some of that we should mind our own business involved involved in the affairs of other countries . it was not, it was not,

it was not our place. a place has to be a solution. states one says, oh, that's what i do. like the father 5, you're more christie admit. and many of us for us, for us, was the face of our we saw the africans send us, send us, send us, and watch the times it up on us being perpetrated. people, us where we stand on the side of freedom for all resend on the side of justice for the, for the following our fest democratic elections has the madison monday let declared, let that be justice for all that, that'd be peace for all. never, never, and never again,

shall it be that this beautiful land will i gain experience of one of one another. so we say, and so we say again today never, never and never again, charlotte b, the x of genocide, a perpetrated with infinity s. we the international community to look on. we firmly believe that one of the in this direction meant that should now be a more considered effort towards a ceasefire. a negotiations should commence on a permanent true stage solution for of a neighboring is drive and palestine to live side by side as independent states, the palestinians having attained their self determination. a south africa within or

in the international community. and they have been millions of people around the world who have supported our application, including a number of countries. we have declared that intention to be part of our application to the international court of justice. we will not waiver and commitment to the public opinion and their quest for self determination. our own painful history. a blind just us to do no less. we send to the international court of justice for upholding it's a row of achieving justice promoting peace, preventing genocide and holding those responsible for genocide. to be accountable it is r n s hope and wish that this court order page the wave