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hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered on peter lavelle. few issues of polarized the world recently, like israel's war on gaza, the west defends israel's colonial side a little project. the rest of the world looks on an anger and discussed what we're witnessing is the end of the west, 500 years of global hegemony. it is last moral authority. the cross auction in palestine. i'm joined by my guess in martin in washington. he is an attorney and former member of the republican national committee in new york. we have line off. he is a legal in media analyst and didn't be really cross all the risk. he is a writer and political analyst, right. tell me, costs are roles and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate ali, let me go to you 1st and be rude. lionel

a racially racially. it's been on this program week after week covering the guides issue. and the 1st time i had them on, i asked them a quick question about his thoughts about it. and he said everything has changed. and it's one of the reasons why i am calling this program. because a shift in your mind, what has changed? i mean, in your country, in your region, in the world, philosophically, however you want to approach the the question, go ahead ali. the one is change. first and foremost is the invincible homie reputation, which is rarely use to enjoy. now that reputation was shaken quite me, quite exemplary by the previous was the 2006 for here and living on. but i think authoration of other books are still and by how much has completely shifted and broadband reputation for one. and i think that has led to turning us policy in the region of upside down. you have the major us highlight in the region which turned

out to be more of a paper tiger. if you would, if you read, we could say, confronting a movement like come us, which has much more limited military capabilities. and this force that us into woods on my end. i'm going to release your seeing now what's happening in the oven . how that you were supposed to be well, most isolated when it comes to banking, israel, even some european allies, very important you are being watched by the way, like friends, have distanced themselves familiar with support for his room. russia and china had some interesting stance. as in this particular conflict, we saw a delegation from how much visiting russia. i think both russia and china wouldn't mind at all if they weren't able to further increase the influence and the ends less than the influence of the year west and the region which has proven to be quite destructive. and so i think all of the, the elements taken into account pointing the point to this broad are shifting which

way, but they're saying which is a result of the warning goes on. yeah, that's a very interesting observation. sure. well, i know, you know, in my introduction i talked about the uh the, the lack of moral authority. and as we look as we speak right now, the proceedings i'm against is, are by south africa on genocide as being spoken about and will soon be decided. but it, it's, it's very interesting to me how the united states as a band, and so many of the principles that you and i, as americans were brought up with. okay. and it's, you know, due process, rule of law, all of these things here. and there being so easily a band and, and then something closer to home for us is that and freedom of speech is being attacked by people who we thought were defenders of the free speech. go headline on a couple of things of the people. many citizens for the 1st time are asking

themselves why is there such a focus on palestinians in the course. they realize that this has been going on, you know, for 75 years. but for some reason they, they've awakened to this, this is the 2 points. i always say, number one. if we change the word israel to france, it will be a completely different argument. people would be talking about things completely different and there was a, you can do that. this is wrong. but for some reason, this kryptonite 3rd rail, kind of a cowboy don't go there, attitude current phones, people. and the 2nd question i have is, can you think of any country in the world that would send sure or, or expelled it's college students for saying something against the united states on their college campus? have you ever heard them? those people are asking one that we're, we're be, you're, you're being expelled from a school here because you disagree with another country's foreign policy. when did

that happen? so as i said, the rules are inverted, it's good choice. and it's about time the people ask themselves, wait a minute, who's in charge here? who exactly is the client today? the home? well, i was going that was good to get that. but yeah, do you want to jump in? you've been very patient, go ahead. i do, i, i just because i, i want to sort of agree with everyone and i want to point to leadership as a problem in america. yeah. well, where, where we sit and look at a president who does know whether it's come or going on. these positions hit one day, he's the staunchest defender of israel, the next day he's, he's not, i mean, he goes back and forth guys, but you mentioned due process. i have to tell you in america right now and, and put aside trump versus buying in america. right. now i think i'm going to sound like an old fashioned bleeding heart, a c o u lawyer, i'm a lawyer. i never thought i'd say that, but the fact is due process has been lost in this country. you can look of january 6, you can look at how they prosecuted aspects of almost anything. and i'm willing to move all the way to the point where i say to myself, out loud, did the federal,

especially federal federal prosecutorial system become so skewed against those without power? by the way, the black and brown drug dealers, all that, that we have to really rethink this and i think we do. and, and you guys pointed to something you said the media, the power, the media is america. we've been no way washed by the media that we had to fight you, craig and the ukranian war. it was the end of everything. and one day pivot. we're now we're going to go back to israel. i'm and we're and we forget about ukraine. so my opinion, by the way to say on the record, i think that what happened, what, how mazda attacked on october 7th is an existential crisis. and i think that as well as a right to defend themselves, that's a different part of this debate. but i would like to just say guys, we in this country in america, are listening to our big tech and big media. rain was just that we have to move on to the next fight. we've got to and the next fight is just whatever our, our, our, our narrative machine, big government, big tech and big media is telling us. and it's a disaster that you can not like trump, but trouble stood up to that machine. not always perfectly,

but you certainly seem to be on the side of americans as opposed to on the side of i don't know who. well, you know, did real quick and palestinians have the right to protect themselves too. but i get your point. i get your point. okay, i got you. okay. so all we, you know, i'm, you know, people always asked me the, do you like talking about politics actually like culture and society more. okay. and philosophy because i see an ad the case can of, of a moral stance here. i mean, the united states is also in the dock when it comes to genocide. and i don't think most americans, the vast majority of americans understand that. and just to echo with ed said they don't with they'll never really know why on i talk enough to know that he's told me repeatedly that people basically don't have a clue. is it? i'm us one morning woke up and decided to attack israel. well, that isn't the story here. so looking at it from the region here, obviously israel wants the us to stay in the region. obviously it wants to fight

its wars for it, but the region is resisting more and more. when biting went to israel, he was shunned by air of leaders. that's a turning point alley. or before i answer your question, just very quickly about the client state issue. the definition of a client states is a state which serves your interests. or if you're looking at it from that perspective, i failed to see how you would support vegas around. so it was, it was interest, particularly with the car and not the whole government. in fact, i think more the offers, it is true. america's working mostly is right interest. so with a visa america, i'm not saying it's fully inclined statement, but it resembles more clients types of user. but thinking right now, in this conflict under sensors, taken by the, by the ministration, with respect to the question about how the region is resisting the american pressures. that's true. the, your seeing how the, how many is the on soto law movement?

how they haven't been detailed this far, these attacks despite the terrorist there's like a nation or steps which have failed. i think a very important point to realize is that um, sent to the movements in this region in addition to a wrong, you know, 1st little uh, i'm sort of law how mass. they do realize that the american public, on more of an american, in general, is not ready for the middle east and adventure. and i think that's net loss. all of these players when they picture these later later. but i want to buy another cross . i was across top. i want to knowledge your. thank you, what your comments slide by peter on this? remember that famous interviewer trump was asked about food and then they said, you know, as a killer and trump said killer, he's like, you're, you're all killers. i mean, my, my point is that i agree with the cut up the search and that's everyone's in the box. meaning we have to look critically at our own policies and say, what exactly is going on? you know, one of the last debates in this country about presidential immunity, as we know, obama was killing civilians withdrawal p themselves was saying,

kill them out of a debate. but let's not pretend that there's not moral gravity to this bill. clinton was calling in bonds to bosnia way too late because the ed, my, my ed, you're yours doing the indictment for me. i agree with you. good boy, i the i is you don't, it doesn't have, i could do the who about buying me. okay. and who cares? okay, is a paul, let's see here, and i'm going to go to line on here for a 2nd here. it's a policy that has never been fleshed out and debated in america because people are afraid to say the true. let's just say go ahead while as well. i got a couple of things here. first and foremost, what i imagine just before a few said to you as most americans, what are the roles of bb that yahoo and victoria newland in crafting american foreign policy. most of them would say, i don't know who you're talking about, and that's absurd, right?

because we're living kind of in the 1950s world where we think we're the good guys and the bad guys. another problem is, i'm sorry to say this, but when you say to people genocide and my colleague here who is a fellow lawyer, i always looked at the definition. tell me what, what, what the i c j means. you know, we, we have a law in this country called may have and it has nothing to do with what you would think it would be. so when you look at genocide, people have this idea of the holocaust or our schmidt's or something. and they will, in part, that particular ideation into what this is, when they look at what apartheid is to the way south africa, fuser doable, are time to talk about an expert witness. i mean, doesn't get any better than that. so i have this idea, actually we have this idea that somehow these terms, they are, they're there, they conflict with our pedestrian st. ideas of what this is. well, yeah, because of the genocide is something that is historical. that's how americans have been taught a gentleman. fascinating discussion, i'm going to go to

a short break and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine. stay with our team, the choice between democracy and talk or see is a false one because the ultimate issue is about who controls information the means of production and distribution and who controls money in debt and increasingly in the united states for, for that matter. but in china, russia and other countries is controlled by multinational corporations which are not an alternative government, but are rather a form of government itself, which is on account of the

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. okay, want to go back to only and be rude to you. i don't know if you had to suffer through watching some of the talks in davos last week um its insufferable stuff unfortunately. well fortunately i have people to give me a clip, so i don't have to wait for the waste too much time. but always when you look at it, yeah, anthony blank and the secretary of state, he's a pathological liar. okay. now maybe that get gets him by in davos and his crowd. okay, fine. we're not invited to such things, but you know, the city, you know what, what i found really, i couldn't figure out was more disgusting, what he had to say, and how nobody confronted him with a nonsense that he was saying here. but in your part of the world, you know something about how a foreign policy over many, many administrations, has lied to their, its own people in the interest of other countries, particularly this one country in israel. so again, these are the resistance that they talk about. i mean, they have the truth on their side. i mean, you can,

you can go through everything that's like very sites said, and you can, you can prove that it is not true. it's false. and, but i mean, i'm sure they don't, you don't have to be convinced because you just see it at face value lice. go ahead only just quickly before um in the previous satisfy i was saying just the one i have to make is the leadership accessible up 2nd customer. so like in a previous page said, america's busy in your crane. it has all the priorities. now is the time to work on making america withdrawal. now that's part of a broader strategy. which claims in the end to point is really not very difficult situation because there is a conviction on the part of the what they called the resistance taxes that went out american in the region. and that's when it gets ran will be really a bundle and face and makes a central chrysler. so you have a know, i think a new strategy by this next and access in the region which recognize that there's a us no longer has the resources a lot of time to invest that much in protecting is really of it all we would do

with the ortho also know more or store a t to be there any more. okay. the iraqis want american troops out, syria is being occupied, you legally, but not by the united states. there's a lot of elements that do not want the united states. so i would say, and i've said this for many years, yes. view, i should leave the middle east when it gets ugly. yes it would, but the region would heal itself having an outside or arbitrate everything. the way it does in favor of one country is what is most disastrous for the region. your thoughts are all a like. i agree, i agree. i agree with you when the, you know, history says look at what, what else to us policy is us policy in the end, the reliance on military. now, obama, a result of the one time when you say that, you know, you don't need to how to solve every single problem. that was a, like, an environment criticism. one of the few bright spots of obama. so deputy,

he left the office with 7 wars. hey donald sort of decide, donald trump didn't start one, like, i don't know. i'm not disagree. i'm just saying that the us and ministrations given you how to you with the president was painful for leads in american foreign policy, which certainly knows how to use military force, which has a sub the region itself. and that was able to set up the american interest by the way. now regarding blinking, i think was even worse than the fact that blinking is lying. we all know that the young or the american people, of course, when it comes to the middle east. and when it comes to applying for it to them to just write on what is even worse for the waste is the moment. but you don't know if you no longer have the money and you know, people are, you know, they put them. i didn't think it was, i don't know how to practice policy. it could look at this and ministrations jack sullivan, if you remember, i just, i think about a week before that's cover and i think it was exactly 5 days, but keep going. yeah, that's the reason it's in the most stable period at all. so i think that says

a lot about the here were 6 battista, what this region. i went back to the people who have genuine knowledge about the middle east of being marginalized. yep. but people who support, you know, the general approach of blindly following israel. i'm pretty, with the middle t r i is ation. go ahead, right? edge of it. go ahead. yeah. you know, i, i, peter, i think i cut off all the last time so i don't want it this time. i apologize. but i want to say a couple of things. one is your right, excuse me, we race to the bottom. we have the worst liars, they're not even good liars, they're not even good at the job, but not sophisticated. i mean, they're just as you point out there, they're just, they're, they're terrible. i would say something different though. i think the post world war 2 now and, and, you know, thankfully, kissinger is gone. i, i pray for so, but he's gone thankfully, because we can stop talking about kissinger and his ideas. and we can say to ourselves, what is america want now? and i think the big reset since the end of the bush cheney year,

which happened when trump one is what is a repeat of these republican. but i think american foreign policy as you point out, where should we have american interest in the world? you know this, this last december we celebrated the 200 that a bursary of the monroe doctor in the monroe doctrine. if you look closely at it was about the systems that were coming into the western hemisphere because they weren't compatible with america. but monroe said, we're not coming into europe cuz we don't want to mess with your stuff either. you figured out for yourself. i think more, more americans are saying, show us what the interest is in these parts of the world for us. and let us assess whether that's valuable i, i want to another show argue about how we do feel a certain moral debt to the is really whether that's accurate or not. that's how america feels. and i'm finished with this. we've been brainwashed. i mean, even that were just as good i, i don't know. i don't see any obligation the united states as was real 0. that's no, no, no, that's not what i said. that how, that's how it happened in europe. it didn't happen in america. no,

but that's not what i said. what i said was that's how americans feel. i'm not saying we have a debt. i'm saying if you feel like you have a deb and you're elected politicians or telling you that to that that's. that's what that is. that's where that's the part of it, where it's coming from. most of it's coming from oil and control is where it's line or it's coming from the donor class. okay. as usual, it's the donor class. okay. nope, everything ed said i could agree with. with lionel. you're always confronted with the question, do you send them off? that's the beginning and the end of the conversation. that's how they do it. like a couple of things here. you, you, you must ask these bumper sticker playbook. questions number one does is we don't have the right to defend itself and you responded, does palestine? and the answer is, oh, i never thought about that test number one. number 2, they think that they don't want to look at proportionality. imagine if, after after the gulf of tonkin, we decided to new vietnam elisa, yeah, but it was a gulf of tonkin be would say that doesn't make any sense. we've forgotten that

because the argument doesn't go past those 2 or 3 questions. let me say it'll be very quickly. we talked about the media. i invite all my friends to go to youtube, which up to now has been pretty pretty but now and rather add a dine in sac or. and i said, just just put into your search parts, israel, palestine, and see what comes up. you will be maze, and i am every day made to the major bird janine me to peep. and by the way, people that before october, the 7th, i would not necessarily be listening to, for a variety of reasons who now show this exquisite brilliance as to the singular problems that we're looking at right now. there are people, there are journal is there are new platforms that are absolutely leading sees to this classics status meandra. so media that we have had who, by the way, isn't even interested because america, i'm sorry to say, is more interested in the super bowl. and taylor swift that what's going on right

now? much to their so i yeah, i don't even know who taylor swift is the name all the time. i have no idea of who they're talking about. yeah, better off. okay, don't, but i'll wait. i want it. i want to finish, you know, really serious note here because you know this, we've heard it already, you know, is it has a right to defend itself. okay, well, let's unpack that as quickly as we can on television. well, garza and the west bank are under occupation. so under international law then self defense gets a lot more dicey. ok, israel actually is an occupier, is obligated to make sure that there are, there is food, there is water, there is fuel, they're doing everything the opposite. so even the way it's presented in western media, if it's not to it they, they don't present the legal argument this that's on the face of it's a lie to ali. exactly. you know, he's fairly is always as always, be more tried as the victim in this region,

although not the argument just getting harder and harder to defend as a result of because what it was ongoing shift to the right. even the american, this is suppression is finding it difficult to have something that i think i pulled a point which we haven't made reference to yet is the by the logical support which is rarely enjoys that america. you have a not so slow a segment the colors have your have so people who believe in i jewish christian alliance against muslims. those factors, i think also you know, important factors when you want to explain the general approach, not just of american foreign policy, but also some members of the american population to correct me if i'm not mistaken . i still have the skinner stereotype view that identifies most times with terrorists, and that is $200.00 times think of foreign policy which is more affordable for me. i do believe it's changing the purpose and the it was so i think you know that,

but besides you, i don't the, i think it is a significant issue which you know, deserves scores any. yeah. it all a american jews and you in jews in europe, are standing up to not in my name. that was one of the most hardly things i've seen since october 7th. and i want to go back to you talk, you know? yeah, i'm a partisan politics is always a plays a role and all of this here. but, you know, i find it really interesting the people i have contact with the media. and lionel knows this very well. i can talk to really far left people. i and, and, and i think i agree with them on a lot of things. i'm a conservative here, but i don't like the prism in which the leads always trying to present issues here, left wing people. liberals like drug. i can't find any common ground with but left wing people conservative people independent people. and it's basically this liberal establishment that controls the narrow to and is, lionel is pointed out. we're all punching holes. are they? they do it's, it's just ridiculous what they're presenting us and that's why people are turning

away. i haven't watched cable news now for a year. go ahead. yeah. well, i mean, a couple things. couple observations. you started that question or comment was a partisan politics. if you watch the nikki haley versus trump conversation, you see a classic neo con nikki haley. yep. who is really spouting off all of those positions and, and sort of formulas. i agree. i mean, she's like anthony blanket. you look at it, you say you can't mean that, but she just bouts it up on the other side you have trump and trumps. i you know i the allergy if it's such as if it's, if it's for our interest, i want to be strong. so i'll be with the saudis, right, i'll deal with it is real. i'll and i think more americans attempt to comment earlier about evangelicals. for example, i think more americans are in the conservative wing, are looking up and saying, you can help me understand how american issues american interest are in part here. and you know, for example, you would have never heard on the conservative side this conversation, the conversation went like this. why are we giving israel money? they got plenty of blending power. we don't have any landing power to borrow money . why are we sending them, terry?

well, i can say them all good day and then i saving it and yeah, who gives zalinski a call. he's got plenty. yeah. okay, exactly. all right, all right, i get all that are gentlemen of run out of time here. passivate in discussion. you want to thank my guess in washington, new york and in b roots. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are to see you next time. remember crossed on the the the, the, the,

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