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the options are time food, welcome back to going underground will cost to go around the world from the middle east, on the 17000000000. kind of the 3 of us as far as the duration of germany's genocide allows for its concentration camp in poland. part of the holocaust which killed around 6000000 jews, while governments and people around the world commemorate those victims. apparently nothing is being done to stop the alleged genocide being committed right now with u . k. u. s. and new weapons in the middle east against palestinians in gaza were over 25000 people have been killed, mostly women and children. this in a week ways. riley, bmw and yahoo rejected the creation of about a city and state something called unacceptable by un secretary general engineer gutierrez. joining me from tel aviv now is a former is randy class had remembered incumbent chapman. and these really our majority biologic party,

which advocates for the rights of alice indians in israel. thank you so much, i, savvy for coming on. soon as i said today, the anniversary would be as, as, as liberation of our shipments. stollins troops saving so many jews from german genocide. why is the u. s. u k? i'm to tack on gaza. you to tack on guys. i like ash with where it's the fall and i didn't know when in human history we had such an i run it scene. yeah, i think this is the 1st time by the way that the victims of life. but it's little bit that the jewish people will have suffered so much from, from racism and from the human a zation a are now and the national guard for justice. a being charged was crimes of, of, of genesis. this, this is, this is unbelievable then is so,

so sad and so frustrating because it seems that unfortunate the human beings do not look at them anything from, from history. a. and this is really very negative . i'm not promising you, i mean, to do to commemorate this, this is this, the important historical event you, you would expect that people would learn something, you know, at least the victims would learn something. but to, i'm not seeing any of this happening and was being continuous war crimes, crimes that it a uh but, but as south africa and a lot of other states i see and by the palestinians of wars are seen as, as grams. that you can take it can be gold jello side. and then, and it's unbelievable all this. all this situation a you know, in the order of 1948 and then the palestinian neck about it. the whole is the

biggest that our 1st thing in the city of the time and 98 percent of its population were any exposed buses that is forces different parts of the last one south adding government. now when i'm talking to now the state and it said the president which i'm, i'm a citizen, it is now a getting color from it is, you know, all of the 1st indian families in java. we have our relatives in gus in not just the state is getting the we're not allowed to express our views against the killing of all our funding. well, i'm not allowed to is it was against the budget, but i'm not the voice against your general side. you are not the voice against the waterfront. the only legitimate voice us in in this, this is row out of this crazy fascists who are asking for more blog or more destruction for, for

a flowing done awesome one long does the for more genocide crime, it's unbelievable. situation yeah, we should say it's not all jews. clearly it's only because it's a self proclaimed jewish state by a certain jewish lead is that we can give that out. sure. it's a comparison of course. uh well the, what is it like, i mean i understand you and your wife i the i, i want to share something with you. i thought they agree with. first of all, of course it's not the jewish be. and of course, it's not because of anything they've got to do with your jews or just met just that we have a very small minority of jewish activists who are paying very high price because they are struggling for human rights. imagine the situation, those who are supporting just those, those were struggling for equality of those was struggling for human rights. and

this was rep are in serious danger. but of course no, of course not. then it's, it's, it's, and it's not all of the us. and what, what, what is being done? you know, we are talking about the combination of watch the policy is of the is rarely different government has been leading the jewish people, not just in israel, but all over the world to be much more in danger because of this racist than specialist wallace's. that just done a gunter division of zionism that districts have been the most safe place for jewels on here. it is being the most dangerous place, but just what are the tools inside it, but also for the jewish people outside the state of israel? us. yeah, you refer to the brave, the jewish people that express solidarity with the those that clearly who believe

it is genocide, you know, that nature, nation media reports that a israel is a free country is a democratic country and that's what marks it out just so different in the middle east. what is it like to be a palestinian living in this state of israel? what's the phone? i wish it was. you know, you hear you, you'll be out of this propaganda all the time. and as a citizen in this, in this part of the world, i would have loved it to be in my mind for when we established our political party trying to change it with for, for, for the democracy. annual in the the main agenda and my political party is trying to change is ro from a joyce state estate which is built on race and the racial separation into a normal democracy. we call it this depth of all its citizens because we are

struggling in the state of this right for equality and justice for or we ought to consider the extreme. and imagine this irony, those who are struggling for peace justice under equality for all arguments through the day 3 months. your war, the rest, your reward is being arrested. i just the end of all of the other boys is that that supports a few patients that wants to give gusta on the seat that wants to give us a pretty empty. that's why so precious the patient. of course, other than just a minute. and it is so going to this did the, any in this that you are just so full of one to dixie. now we are not allowed to express our views against the war. you know, all the senior leadership, what 20 percent of the population inside the system we have been trying to organize in march or the city as the most vision against the war. since the 1st week of the

war. we are being threatened by this that the police in every time that you go to bring the lessons for the most station that the or those in the police station is do use live bullets. to prevent us about the right thing. i was the day for hours me and another few colleagues that were for my member of the kinetic been part of the senior leadership, we were in a legally did the the any and, and less of it will is vision. and then we did that on the police station for hours because we wanted to and you have a small wrought this less than 50 people. get in one sign in, out of the gabriel english ask you to stop low, or that's all then hundreds of dollars students and the universities would expose illegally from the colleges and universities because the human sentence on the social media that they part of them wrote that the children are blooming also in gaza,

or stop the war or equitation for the i'm going to stop you there because if you're comparing what's happening because unlike house rates and if you look at the figures, your med saying 4 percent of guys are killed, wounded or disappeared, that's a great. so 13000000 americans being killed by bones in the usa say your clear that the non violent protest is the issue. even though jews rose up in the warsaw ghetto to kill their captors and oppresses and when there was a great module or 2 and a peaceful palestinian protest in gaza. thousands were killed was to be honest in the 1st few weeks. and we would frankly defense ourselves because it, the situation was so dangerous that our expectations of lead this, of this part of the palestinian people that the explosion of the palestinian people

is still a political program for the gun. it is really government. and for all this extreme right, fascists and israel, not just for the people cost, but for all the palestinians and all over distorted by this. imagine that the situation was so dangerous and the act most viewed was so full of 444 mentality of revenge on violence that we were expecting also. and now that exposure for 20 percent of the is riley citizens. we have is this, we are getting the citizenship. we were expecting that because we are not jewish. we might also be expert in like over 4 or 5 dozen demented for dig wouldn't the next. so you are right. you are in an enormous situation in a democratic society,

you would stop. genocide was or means that you can single. i mean, that was the was to get to, i mean, he wasn't genocide in south africa. mandela didn't even say it was, it was a pod today, and mondale is supported and he's always supporting palestine through his life. they need to bomb restaurant to end up on the side. that was mandela strategy. but then i'm telling people to do this. that was the, started you of a lot of different national movements that were any struggling against apartheid occupation and so on. we have chosen a different strategy and our strategy is to try to build a better future for all by the way. this is a very special and very complicated situation. it's different than all other set. look on, on your project. we are seeing our 8 months. our goal try on solve was questions

together. the 1st thing in question and the jewish question. now this is a new situation where the victims of the suck local on your project are seeing their, their, to the political goal in saving both sides. not just the 1st thing in question because, but all of the options or all the solutions, if you can imagine could be very violent and very any good get done. bring much would be um, i'll give it a mondell. his position was different. and i've interviewed nelson mandela before he died. his position was different and did see that as well. he didn't see the mass legible app for economists. similarly, political violence or swap. and he chose at the end, mondale to save his people, us and to build it. but the future for all citizens of south africa, they chose the democratic, i've done nothing, but that goes into the jail that was sent to me. i was trying to help stop you. the

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the, the look at back to going underground. i'm still here with the chairman of these really our majority party important tonight, that members army was shot at signing and pot when we were talking about the mandate was very different view about resistance to apartheid and of course the warsaw, ghetto, and associates anniversary. and i should to ask you really, whether even a non violent embargo kind of non violent them, any one of the ships that weighs really link result in british and american and strikes on e. m. and this week, this is not the kind of scale of the attack on any attempt to protest against what's happening in gaza. the americans have decided to take sides in this. and

then in, in this conflict and much of the supporting days, riley's in the world crimes and they are sitting in this riley coming to work up in that taking the decisions that the americans are. and they are very active work off, or does he have friends say a lot of the british, the british also decide to the support of the is that is also after all the discovery of all the is that the allies regarding what type of the 7th of october and at the beginning was all the struggling over and the adopted. there's rarely now that they've been on there to support this on the human, at depth on gosh, on it when they did not know the truth, but now they know they know that the others were lying about. what happened on the 7th of october that the, the that was brought out because now they knew and they have decided to be part of

this warcraft. so we kind of deal with them as an, an objective bart. unfortunately, everybody we are and is bank of very high price for that. you know, imagine if people did learn something from the 2nd world war and did learn something from the jewish experience of the 2nd world. and instead of all this destruction of all this getting all this blood shit, they would have invested the same resources of the same amounts of money and energies in building nothing in, in, in destroying guzman. what would have happened as well? she does no, no, no, no, no busy get totally different modalities. but unfortunately, so you can still be people learn very little out of the, any of the end of history,

including people from, but on any historical experience in it. and you would at least expect it more human approach to us oldest a palestinian pain from a people who are victims of of, of, of a general sadler victims or phrases and thoughtful for centuries. but now you, i've seen braces wallace's war crimes. it's, well, you're seeing solidarity of goes from south africa and the global south clearly which shows that those to whom evil is being done are indeed doing good this time. every oh, so very big any, any very important. so there, there at the move once that, that gives us a way to pull, by the way, from jewish active. this is ro and from different parts of the, also any from jewish american, the jewish, you'll be, as well as seeing them. and you can imagine how important is that,

that this will it, that i think because at these it still keeps some meaning for the values that we have been struggling for, for the kids who will be at the top is often being censored from mainstream. so cool, mainstream media, obviously in nature nations, i should say that the debunking of sexual crimes being committed on october, the 7th they headed babies and the sorts of stories still being repeated actually of the un security council, even after being debunked. but then you've got, honestly, is like, i'm sure it's what does that make jo by blue? she's so neck as live on the land of the e. u. i. they can co conspirators in genocide of course. yeah. what do you mean any the, their support is what allowed is right to do all this,

you know is really good. then tell them all. this was of the american british and eased report from the 1st week. they give it a huge support for is to do whatever they wanted to. they knew, you know, i remember what it was, the 1st important articles regarding it the intention of doing a genocide, grimes and what was written by a jewish is riley the story. and he's did you know, in the states, april 1st or rods? that said, is right, it's telling the world that they are intending to do general, is that correct? why is the world not believing that the prime minister is think so if the difference minutes there is a so if the any minute the leadership are saying, so why is or not believing that they are saying they are intending to do this? well, i understand with respect to be to by been sooner than the others and as in schools

as of african drawers are preparing a 2nd case that the engineer shall go to justice against them because they buy than etc. deny it all. what about uh, again with that 2nd world war reflection of the importance of joseph goebbels to it was campaign against the jews, the communist, and so on and nazi germany. how far is nathan nation media complicit in the genocide to cnn sky news? the bbc you media and the way they've been reporting are they compress it as bob's add ons, in this international court of justice case against israel. i think i think at the beginning they were all misled by this early narrative. but i think later on they started seeing it things differently, and now they are trying to, to be a little bit more objective. it still, you know, the, the, i mean, the, they have

a few problems. first of what is the following anyway. i know for them to cover does uh and uh, and then no objective way. they never saw that there was a on bbc that they're not allowed to send that john, listen to guys. and because of his rarely that, that, what is right allows the joe on his to do something. they're jealous of lead by the arms books, man. and if, imagine the army would just use of a war crimes takes the drawer and the lease, and that's what, what to do on what the rad, or what to do or what to go is they leave them to that the items they want them correct. otherwise, the book that i don't think of it having worked with the bbc, that is, oh yeah, it is how you doing nation journalism kind of works and it's and then i have to say, but um and that's just get onto your personal story. then i understand you annual

wives relatives of been killed in the by u. s. u k. u weaponry. unfortunately, a yeah. as i told you know, on the palestinian big families of jeff. uh, we have a relatives in, in just a oh me, my wife. all of my friends in uh, 3 days ago i was and i went to visit my brother and he lives in an area of the deck, if i need to know the family. the last in uh, in one of the buildings said the of the family members income. when i visited them here and job, they were having a discussion. as you know, when we come home or a when you want me, when we well new or visit didn't for condolences and things and the family or what we're discussing between them since they are allowed to warm. if they're allowed to have it then because they lost their family and they want to

warm and, and they were terrified that this valley for this will come on that deck them in the in that then. so then the decided not to do it. but any, imagine this situation that's not enjoying it on the audio, your people, your relatives, your director of that, do you, you can't do anything to them. you know, all of the people that are stopping me now in the streets, in joshua as a lead to one of the want to do something for the front. maybe they can afford to help them economically that they can. and you, you can imagine, what does that do do, do, do to the people psychologically that the or government and your brother is in a very serious need objectively you can help him. but because of

the seat, because of the racist policy is because of the you cannot, you cannot and this i think, you know, it's hard to explain this, but i think that the war is not just doing all this to have the, the 3 i've seen in gaza now 25000, something less than 5000. and it just disappeared. don't know what i don't know that i'm not what i'm not unfortunately probably they are not. i think this war is all this violence. crimes is killing the souls of, of, of, of hundreds of millions of people all over the subsidy as much as they need the people of government as the grands in the west bank in jerusalem or all of this at

deck on that. but the thing is, insight is i feel this is a huge amounts of pain and frustration. i don't know why all these states that claim democracy and claim that they get about to human rights or the constitution talks about to human rights and equality and justice. how are they not seen or, or, or, or, or, or this being and was destruction of how as they stood supporting is, i don't tell you this. i don't know. maybe none of maybe none of these people is women and children would have been killed without british american, in european union weaponry. given the inability of palestinians in the occupied territories to attack israel effectively. when will the time come to attack the soul, countries the sources of the weapons that are getting older women and children and i, i like, you know, it's, this is the hardest thing to do in such

a situation. i think our role as, as, as political leaders is trying to keep some who was all this hard to you wish it was all this for us? 3, she was all this and was all this very them thing will to revenge a i think a lot of me and will now is, is just to keep our humanity not to lose hope to attract, to think positively on it. but the future for was all this hard situation, very complicated situation. a, we should not allow ourselves or our people as a, to become a victims of, of, of this instinct of, of, of revenge and, and violence. our role is this is due to destroyed this vicious circle of wireless un, and revenge and to try to build

a better future for or did i? i didn't leave revenge. i mean is a was strategy, but now you're right. you are right. no, i know you don't with the task for i know you did not mean any adventure, of course, i know, but i seen it and that that 9 i'm i'm really and i want to be talking to frank with you. i'm telling you that this is not, this is not an easy mission. this is not an easy mission. a. and the problem is that any, all of the is riley political discourse from all the different, polluted and imagined in all that, that we are having this discussion was my, any part the comrades? and it was my friends that tell me that some of you are talking about democracy for all the adjustments to equality who's, who's you know this was this one here that the think about before. now what, what is the other saw? what?

well, not even one is riley political party went against the war crimes or asked for the step of the war or not to go to the innocent people. of course, i mean, i know i know well well in the very hard situation somebody, i was yada. thank you to that's it for the show of continued condolences to those surviving the killing in gaza will be back on monday with the retired us army. lieutenant colonel and professor who are fighting studies and the us army will call is john not go until then? you can keep in touch by will i social media if it's not sensitive in your country and have to i channel going on the warranty and revel dot com to watch and you and

all the episodes. i'm going on the right. see monday, the, the, the court further considers the israel most ensure with immediate effect that it's military forces do not commit any of the aforementioned tax. the international court of justice, instruct israel, but take all necessary measures to prevent genocide in gaza at the turn of it is livid. the charge of genocide level against google is not only false. is a range of and decent people everywhere should reject hundreds of pro palestinian for testers in front of you and stop court as of deliver that verdict on emergency