also that's how we will be bought at the top. we all have to have the option with tons of people i know coming on. demand is off next, enjoying the the action or time. so you're welcome back to going on. the ground will cost to go around the world from the middle east, on the $79.00 kind of us review size. liberation of germany's genocide allows for

its concentration comp, in poland. part of the holocaust which killed her on 6000000 jews, while governments and people around the world commemorate those victims. apparently nothing is being done to stop the alleged genocide being committed right now with u . k. u. s. a new weapons in the middle east against palestinians in gaza were over 25000 people have been killed, mostly women and children. this in a week ways. riley, bmw and yahoo rejected the creation of about a city and state something called unacceptable by you infected the general engineer gutierrez. joining me from tel aviv now is a former is really excessive member and incumbent chairman of these really our majority by large party, which advocates for the rights of palestinians in israel. thank you so much. i'm sorry for coming on. just as i said today, the anniversary of the as, as liberation of our shipments stollins troops saving so many jews from german genocide. why is the u. s. u k? i'm to tack on gaza. you to tack on guys a light?

gosh, whats, where's the fall in? and then the pin in human history. we had such an ironic scene. yeah, i think this is the 1st time by the way that the victims of life, but it's little bit that the jewish people will have suffered so much wrong from racism and from the human a zation a are now and the national guard for justice a being charged was crimes of, of, of jennifer. this is, this is unbelievable. and so, so sad. i'm so frustrating because it says that unfortunate the human beings do not learn anything from, from history a. and this is really very negative one not promising. going to do to commemorate this, this is this, the important historical event you,

you would expect that people would learn something, you know, at least the victims would learn something, but to, i'm not seeing any of this happening and where it's being continuous, war crimes, crimes that it a uh but by south africa and a lot of other states i seen and by the palestinians of wars are seen as, as grams, that you can take, it can be gold jello site. and then, and it's unbelievable all this all the situation a you know, in the order of 1948 and then the ballast in your neck about it just what was the biggest that a palace thing and city of the time and 98 percent of its population were any exposed buses that is versus the different parts of the less the one south out in guzman. now when i'm talking to now the state and it said the which i'm, i'm a citizen and is now a $1000000.00 families. you know,

all of the 1st indian families in java, we have our relatives invested in not just the state is getting the we are not allowed to express our views, i guess the killing of all our funding. well, i'm not allowed to is a vote against budget, but i'm not the voice against your general side. you are not the voice against the war trance. no. the only legitimate voice in this setup is row out of this crazy, fascist who are asking for more blog or more destruction for, for throwing gun awesome one long guys though for more generalized grant it's unbelievable situation. yeah, we should say it's not all jews. clearly it's only because it's a self proclaimed jewish state by a certain jewish lead is that we can give that out. sure. it's a comparison question. uh well the, what is it like,

i mean i understand you and your wife i the i, i want to say something on the i thought they, i agree with. first of all, of course it's not the jewish be. and of course, it's not because of anything they've got to do with your jews or you just met just that we have a very small minority of jewish activists who are paying very high price because they are struggling for human rights to imagine the situation. those who are supporting just those, those to select them for it. well, if you've those last struggling for human rights, and this is rep are in serious danger. but of course no, of course not. then it's, it's, it's, and it's not all of the judgment and what, what, what is being done. you know, we are talking about the culmination of life. the policy is of the is riley, different governments has been leading the jewish people,

not justin israel, but all over the world to be much more in danger because of this racist and specious. wallace's that just done. a gunter division of zionism that districts have been the most safe place for google, and here it is being the most dangerous place, not just one of the tools inside of it, but also from the jewish people outside the state of israel. yeah, you refer to be brave the jewish people that express solidarity with the those activities who believe it is genocide, you know that nature, nation media reports that a israel is a free country is a democratic country and that's what marks it out is so different in the middle east. what is it like to be a palestinian living in this state of israel? what's the form i wish it was. you know, you hear you,

you'll be of this propaganda all the time. and that's as a citizen in this, in this part of the world, i would have loved it to be in my mind for when we established our political party trying to change it. it's also sort of normal democracy annual in the, the main agenda and my political party is trying to change is ro from a joyce state estate which is built on race and racial separation into a normal democracy. we call it this depth of all its citizens because we are struggling in the state of this right for equality and justice for all we have to consider the extreme. imagine this irony, those who are struggling for peace, justice under equality for all our consider day 3 months during war, the rest, your reward is being arrested. not just the end of all of the other boys is that

that supports a few patients that wants to give gusta on the seat that wants to keep your support of yours. that's why still keep precious a patient of course, other than just a minute. and it is so contradicted that any in this that you are just so full of contradiction that we are not allowed to express our views against the war. you know, all the senior leadership, what 20 percent of the population inside the system. we have been trying to organize in march or a city as the most efficient against the war since the 1st week of the war. we are being threatened by the is that the police in every time that regard to bring the lessons for the most station that the or those in the police station is to use live bullets to prevent us the right thing. i was the day for hours me and then other few colleagues that were for my member of the can, has it been part of the issue we were legally did the there's any and that's what

it will is station. and then we get that on the police station for hours or because we wanted to and you have a small wrought this less than 50 people get in guam sign in. out of the gabriel english asked me to stop low, or that's all then hundreds of dollars students and the universities would expose illegally from the colleges and universities because they are all the human sentence on the social media that they part of the world, the that our children are blooming also in god law or stop the war or acquisition from the i'm going to stop you there because if you're comparing what's happening because unlike house rates and if you look at the figures, your med saying full percent of guys are killed, wounded or disappeared, that's a waste of 13000000 americans being killed by bones. in the usa say your clear the

non violent protest is the issue. even the jews rose up in the warsaw ghetto to kill their captors and oppressors. and when there was a great module or 2 and a peaceful palestinian protest in gaza, thousands were killed once to be honest in the 1st few weeks. and we would frankly defense ourselves because it, the situation was so dangerous that our expectation of lead this, of this part of the palestinian people that the explosion of the philistines in people is still a political program where they kind of is right in the government. and for all this extreme right, fascists and israel, not just for the people cost but for all the palestinians and all over this sort of good by this. imagine that the,

the situation was so dangerous and the most viewed was so full of 444 mentality of revenge on violence or that we were expecting also, another explosion for 20 percent of the is riley citizens. we have is there at least we are getting this added citizenship. we were expecting that because we are not jewish. we might also be expected back over 4 or 5 years in the 1941 and then so you are right. you are in it and in, in the situation in a democratic society, you would stop general side was all means that you can single, i mean, that was the was to get so, i mean, he wasn't genocide in south africa. mandela didn't even say was, it was a pod today, and mondale is supported and he's always supports in palestine. who is life the need to bomb restaurant? to end up archive?

that was mandela strategy. but then i'm telling people to do this. that was the strategy of a lot of different national movements that where i need struggling against a hard time, occupation, and so on. we have chosen a different strategy and our strategy is to try to build a better future for all by the way. this is a very special and very complicated situation. it's different the or other set, look on your project. we are seeing our 8 months our goal. right. and so was, was just to gather the 1st thing in question and the jewish question. now this is a new situation where the victims of the supplemental on your project, out of seeing their, their, the political goal in saving both sides or not just the police thing in question because, but all of the options or all the solutions,

if you can imagine could be very violent and very any good get done. bring much more the more i'll give it a mondell. his position was different that i've interviewed nelson mandela before he died. his position was different and did see that as well. he didn't see the mass legible. app for economist, similarly political violence or swap. and he chose at the end, mondale to save his people and to boot it, but the future for all citizens of south africa. they chose that the democratic, i've done nothing but because of the jail, it was time time we have a shot at how stop you the more from the champion of these rarely our majority by life policy improvement. cuz i said, member after this break the

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i was shot at somebody and pop when we were talking about the mandate was very different view about resistance to a pod side and of course the war. so guess what, when this actually it's the anniversary i should to ask you really whether even a non violent embargo kind of non violent them, any one of the ships, the ways really link result in british and american as strikes on e m and this week is that the kind of scale of attack on any attempt to protest against what's happening in garza, the americans have decided to take sides in this. and then in, in this conflict and method of supporting those riley's and the world crimes. and they are sitting in this riley company. now, what will work up in that, that taking the decisions that the americans, i any, are very active or off, or does he have friends say a lot of the british,

the british, most of the side of the, the support of the is that is also after all the discovery of all the is value lies regard to the 7th of october. and the beginning was a lot of the struggle over and the adopted. there's really not, they've been all there to support this on the human deck and gauze on it when they did not know the truth, but now they are now then, or that the others were lying about. what's happened on the 7th of october, that the, the, that was the quote that now they knew, and they have decided to be part of this warcraft. so we kind of deal with them and then on the objective bark. unfortunately, everybody we are and is bank a very high price for that? you know, imagine if people did learn something from the 2nd world war and did learn something

from the jewish experience of the 2nd world. and instead of all this destruction of all this getting all this blood shit, they would have invested the same resources of the same amounts of money and energies in building nothing just in, in destroying go. so what do we have happen? what's you that? no, no, no, no, no busy get the different modalities. but unfortunately, so you can still be people land very little out of the, any of the end of history, including people from the, on an historical experience in it. people and you would at least expect it more human approach to us all this it by listing in pain from people who are victims of of, of, of

a general sadler victims or phrases in 4444 centuries. but no, you, i've seen braces wallaces, war crimes. it's as well, you're seeing solidarity of goes from south africa and the global south. the clearly which shows that those to whom it was being done are indeed doing good. this the also a very big any, any very important sooner there at the move once that, that gives us a way to pull, by the way from jewish active. this is rowe and from different parts of the also any from jewish americans enjoys. you'll be as well as seeing them, and you can imagine how important is that, is it this will it that i think because at the it's it still keeps some meaning for the values that we have been struggling for, for the kids who will be at the top is often being censored from mainstream circle,

mainstream media, obviously in nature nations, i should say that the debunking of sexual crimes being committed on october, the 7th they headed babies and the sorts of stories still being repeated actually of un security council. even after being debunked, but then you've got honestly, is like, oh sure it's what does that make, jo, by wishy so neck as live on the land of the e u. i. they can co conspirators in genocide what they meant and it the, the, their support is what allowed is ready to do. all this, you know, is really good. then tell them all. this was of the american british and eased report from the 1st week. they give it a huge support for is to do whatever they wanted to they, you know,

i remember one of the 1st important articles regarding it is the intention of, of doing a genocide, grimes and what was written by a jewish is riley story. and these did, you know, in the states, april 1st or rods? that said, is a, it's telling the world that they are intending to do generals that correct? why is the world not believing that the prime minister is think so if the difference minutes there is a so if the any minute the leadership are saying, so why is or not believing that they are saying they are intending to do this? well, i understand with respect to be to by been sooner than the others, and as in school was that african drawers are preparing a 2nd case that the engineer shall go to just as a gain stomach was de biden, etc, deny it all. what about uh, again with that 2nd world war reflection of the importance of joseph goebbels to it

was campaign against the jews, the communist, and so on and nazi germany. how far is nathan nation media complicit in the genocide to cnn sky news? the bbc, you media and the way they've been reporting a day compress it as bob's add ons, in this international court of justice case against israel. i think i think at the beginning they were all misled by this early narrative. but i think later on they started seeing it things differently, and now they are trying to, to be a little bit more objective. it still, you know, the, the, i mean, the, they have a few problems. first of all is the following. and what i know them to cover does, uh and uh, and then no objective way. they never saw that there was a on bbc that they're not allowed to send the drum listen to guys or because of his rarely that said that, what is right allows the jo

a moments to do something they've done well, is led by the arms books. now, and if, imagine the army would just use of a workman's day, the drawer movies and that's what, what, what to do and what the app or what to do or where to go is they leads them to that the items they want them correct. otherwise the book that allowed them to cover? well, having worked with the bbc, that is, oh yeah, there's outpatient ation, journalism kind of works and it's in and i have to say, but um, and that's just get onto your personal story. then i understand you and your wife's relatives of being killed in the by u. s. u k. u weaponry. unfortunately, a yeah. as i told you know, on the palestinian big families of jaffa, we have a relatives in, in gusting the all me, my wife,

all of my friends in uh, 3 days ago i was and i went to visit my brother. and he lives in an area of, of the deck, if i need to know the deck, if i'm in the last, in uh, in one of the buildings. safety of the family members inc. us, when i visited them here and job, they were having a discussion. you know, when we come home or 8, when you want me, when we well it will the 10th floor, condolences and things and the family or what, what discussing between them sense if they are allowed to warm, if they're allowed to have it then because they lost their deal of their family and they want to warm and, and they were terrified that is valid. what is what the government at tech them in the in that then so then the decided not to do it. but any,

imagine this situation that not in your people, your relatives, your director of active as you, you can't do anything to them. you know, all of the people that stepping me now in the streets, in joshua as a leader of the want to do something for that for maybe they can afford to have them economically that they can. and you, you can imagine what does that do? do do, do to the people psychologically that the order guzman, your brother is in a very serious need objectively you can help him. but because of the seat, because of the racist policy is because of the you cannot, you cannot. and this is, and i think, you know, it's hard to explain this,

but i think that the war is not just doing all this to have the the we are seeing in gaza now 25000 and less than 5000. so i need this disappeared. don't know what i don't know that i'm not what i'm not unfortunately probably they are not. i think this war is all this violence. crimes is killing the souls of, of, of, of hundreds of millions of people all over the subsidy. as much as any of the people of government, the grounds in the west bank in jerusalem or all of this attack on that. but the thing is, insight is i know this is a huge amounts of freedom, frustration. i don't know why all these states that claim democracy and claim that they get about to humor guides or the constitution talks about the human

rights and all equality and justice. or how are they in, let's see, or, or, or, or, or, or this being and was destruction of how as they stood supporting is i don't tell you this, i don't know, maybe none of that. maybe none of these people because women and children would have been killed without british american and european union weaponry, given the inability of palestinians in the occupied territories to attack israel effectively. when will the time come to attack the? so the countries, the sources of the weapons that of getting all the women and children and i, i like, you know, it's, this is the hardest thing to do in such a situation. i think our role as us as political leaders distract to keep some who was all this hard to you wish it was all this restoration was all this and was all this very tempting the will to

revenge a i think our, our main goal now is, is just to keep our humanity and not to lose hope, to attract, to think positively on it, but the future for was this hard situation very complicated situation. a, we should not allow ourselves or our people a to become a victims of, of, of this instinct of, of, of the range and the, and, and violence. our role is this is due to destroyed this vicious circle of wireless and revenge and to try to build a better future affordable did i? i didn't mean, man, i mean is it was strategy, but now you're right. you are right. no, i know you don't with the front, as i know it does not mean any other adventure, of course i know,

but still in it and that i, i'm really and i want to be talking to frank with you. i'm telling you that this is not, this is not an easy mission. this is not an easy mission. a. and the problem is that any, all of the is riley political discourse from all the different quality. and the imagine, you know, all that, that we are having this discussion was my, and the part the comrades. and it was my friends that tell me that some of you are talking about democracy for all the adjustments to equality who's, who's you know this was this one year that the thing about before. now what, what is the other side? what? well, not even one is riley political party went against the war crimes or asked for the step of the war or, or not because just the innocent people,

of course, that i know i know well well in a very hard situation. tell me, i wish i to thank you to that's it for the show of continued condolences to those surviving the killing in gaza will be back on monday with the retired us army lieutenant colonel and professor of war fighting studies. and the us army will call is john not go until then you can keep in touch by will i social media if it's not sensitive in your country? and i do i channel going on the warranty and revel dot com to watch. and you and all the episodes, i'm going undergoing a few months the

the how to area convene the un security council in a bit to full as well to implement the rulings of the international court of justice, the casa south africa, which brought the case to the hague says, categories, crimes have been exposed to the walls. this crimes against the palestinians laid back since october last year. the people of causa had been the victims of modlin and strikes from land sea and pools of profiles of sending protests filled around the globe, taking the streets in support of gauls, us celebrating the icy cage rulings as a witness the international.