ization missed the difficult decisions but a necessary one because the prime ministers announcements don't, don't throw a lot of questions. there are many demands which have not been responded to movies . we believe we have a role. we need the means to do it to order and that they remove those administrative shackles that strangled us so far, it's only speeches. we wait for them to be effective and see how it will play out in the future. so if these actions are concrete or only words won't accept on fox, they are saying that more announcements will be made and the next few days, they better come fast or will not stay on the bridges. we will go to the preceptor's, the french state will not have the human resources to protect themselves. not is how the news is shaping up. so call this out today for molto head on over to opt you to come and enjoy the rest of the weekend. the

action or time food, welcome back to going underground will cost to go around the world from the middle east on the 17000000000, kind of as review size liberation of germany's genocide allows for its concentration camp in poland, bought of the holocaust which killed around 6000000 jews, while governments and people around the world commemorate those victims, apparently nothing is being done to stop the alleged genocide being committed right now with u. k. u. s. a new weapons in the middle east against palestinians in gaza were over 25000 people are being killed, mostly women and children. this in a week ways riley, bmw and yahoo rejected the creation of about a city and state something called unacceptable by you and secretary general engineer gutierrez, joining me from tel aviv now is

a former is really excessive member and incumbent chairman of these really our majority by large party which advocates for the rights of palestinians in israel. thank you so much, sammy, for coming on. soon as i said today, the anniversary of the as, as, as the variation of our shipments stollins troops saving so many jews from german genocide. why is the u. s. u k. um, to attack on gaza? you the attack on guys a like ash which is to fall in and then when in human history we had such a run it scene. yeah, i think this is the 1st time by the way that the victims of life, but it's the jewish people who have suffered so much wrong from racism and from the human a zation as a are now and the national guard for justice is being charged was grimes of of, of jennifer this is this is unbelievable then is so,

so sad and so frustrating because it says that unfortunately human beings do not know to them anything from, from history. a. and this is really very negative . i'm not promising. going to do to commemorate this, this is this, the important historical event you, you would expect that people would learn something, you know, at least the victims would learn something, but to, i'm not seeing any of this happening and, well, i think continuous war crimes crimes that it a uh but by south africa and a lot of other states i see and by the palestinians of wars are seen as, as grams, that you can take, it can be gold jello side. and then, and it's unbelievable all this all this situation a, you know,

in the order of 19 for derek and then the palestinian neck about it the whole is the biggest that a fellow students at the time. and 98 percent of its population were any exposed buses that is versus the different parts of the last one south out in guzman. now when i'm talking to now, the state instead of was that which i'm, i'm a citizen and is now a gillian goler from is you know, on, on, on the 1st thing you and families in java, we have our relatives in gust it, not just this that is getting the we're not allowed to express our views, i guess the killing of all our funding as well. i'm not allowed to as it was against the budget, but i'm not the voice against your general side. you are not the voice that against war trance. no, the only legitimate voice in in this data is ro out of this crazy

fascists who are asking for more blog or more destruction for, for throwing gun awesome bumble guys. well for more general size guns it's unbelievable situation. yeah, we should say it's not all jews clearly certainly because it's a self proclaimed jewish state by a certain jewish lead is that we can give that out. sure. it's a comparison scores the well the, what is it like, i mean i understand you and your wife, i mean and that i, i want to share something with you. i totally agree with. first of all, of course it's not the jewish and of course it's not because of anything they've got to do with your jews or do you do so much of that? we have a very small minority of jewish activists who are paying very high price because they are struggling for human rights. imagine the situation, that's what are supporting just those, those who are struggling for it. well,

those are struggling for human rights. and this is rep out in serious danger. but of course no, of course not. then it's, and it's not all of the judgement and what, what, what is being done. you know, we are talking about the combination of watch the policy is of the is riley, different governments has been leading the jewish people, not just in israel, but all over the world to be much more in danger because of this racist and specious wallace's or not just any gunter division of zionism that this would have been the most safe place for google. and here it is being the most dangerous place, not just one of the tools inside of it, but also from the jewish people outside the state of israel. yeah, you refer to be brave the jewish people that express solidarity with the those that

clearly who believe it is genocide, you know that nature, nation media reports that a israel is a free country is a democratic country and that's what marks it out just so different in the middle east. what is it like to be a palestinian living in this state of israel? what's the phone? i wish it was. you know, you hear you, you'll be of this propaganda all the time. and as a citizen in this, in this part of the world, i would have loved it to be a my, my, my boy new established our political bar to trying to change it with full for the democracy. annual in the the main agenda and my political party is trying to change as well from a joyce state estate which is built on race and the rest of separation into a normal democracy. we call it this depth of all its citizens because we are

struggling in the state of this right. for equality and justice for all we ought to consider it takes 3 and then imagine this irony, those who are struggling for peace justice under equality, 4 or arkansas of the day, 3 months during war, the rest, your reward is being arrested. not just the end of all of the other voices that that supports up to patient that wants to give gusta on the seat. that wants to give joyce a pretty empty that wants to keep precious a patient, of course, or their budget them a and it is. so going to this did the, any in this that you are just so full of contradiction that we are not allowed to express our views against the law. you know, all the senior leadership, what 20 percent of the population inside the system for sure. we have been trying to organize in march or a serious demonstration against the war since the 1st week of the war. we are being

threatened by the police in every time that we've got to bring the lessons for the most station. that the or those in the police station is to use live bullets to prevent us from domestic. i think i was the day for hours me and another few colleagues that were for my member of the kinetic, i'm part of the palace and it'd be there. she, we were in a legally did the, there's any and that's what it will is vision. and then we did that on the police station for hours because we wanted to and you have a small wrought this less than 50 people. get in one sign in, out of the gabriel english asked me to stop the war. that's all. then hundreds of our students and the universities, what expos illegally from the colleges and universities. because the human sentence on the social media that they part of them wrote the,

the children of blooming, also in god law or stop the war or what the issue in front of me. i'm going to stop you there because if you're comparing what's happening because unlike house rates and if you look at the figures, your med same full percent of guys are killed, wounded or disappeared. that's a waste of 30000000 americans being killed by bones. in the usa say your clear that don't violent protest is the issue even though jews rose up in the war. so guess oh, to kill the captors and oppresses and when there was a great module or 2 and a peaceful palestinian protest in gaza. thousands were killed was to be honest in the 1st few weeks. and we would frankly defend ourselves because it, the situation was so dangerous that our expectations of lead this, of this part of the palestinian people. that the explosion of the palestinian

people is still a political program for the gun. it is really government and for all this extreme right, fascists and israel. not just for the people cause but for all the palestinians and all over historic. and by this imagine that the, the situation was so dangerous and the act most viewed was so full of 444 mentality of revenge on violence that we were expecting. also, another explosion for 20 percent of the is riley citizens. we have is there at least we are getting this added citizenship. we were expecting that because we are not jewish. we might also be expecting back over 4 or 5 years in the 1948 within the next. so you are right. you are right in it, and in a normal situation, in

a democratic society, you would stop general side was all means that you can think of. i mean, that was the was to get to, i mean, he wasn't genocide in south africa. mandela didn't even say it was, it was a pod today, and mondale is supported and he's always supporting palestine through his life. the need to bomb restaurant, to end up archive. that was mandela strategy. but then i'm telling people to do this. that was the strategy of a lot of different national movements that where i need struggling against apartheid occupation and so on. we have chosen a different strategy and our strategy is to try to build a better future for or by the way. this is a very special and very complicated situation. it's different. the or other said, look on your project. we are seeing over a month our goal. right. and so was,

was just a good. the 1st thing in question and the jewish question. now this is a new situation where the victims of the supplemental on your project are seeing their, their, to the political goal in saving both sides. not just the 1st thing in question because, but all of the options, all the solutions, if you can imagine, could be very violent and very and you could get, can bring much, would be um, i'll give it to him and tell us position was different that i've interviewed and nelson mandela before he died, his position was different and did see that as well. he didn't see the mass, legible apricots, similarly for lexical violence or swap. and he chose at the end, mondale to save his people, us and to bid the but the future for all citizens of south africa. they

chose the democratic, i've done nothing, but that goes into the jail that was sent somebody i was trying to help stop you. the more from the chairman of these rarely our majority by live party improvement class and member off of this break the the look about going on the right. i'm still here with the chairman of these really our majority party important tonight, that members that we was shot at. sunny and pop while we were talking about mondale is very different view about resistance to a pod side. and of course the warsaw, ghetto, and associates anniversary. i should to ask you really,

whether even a non violent embargo kind of non violent the, any one of ships, the ways rating link resulted in british and american as strikes on yemen. this week is that the kind of scale of attack on any attempt to protest against what's happening and garza, as the americans have decided to take sides in this, in this conflict and method of supporting those riley's and the world crimes. and they are sitting in this riley company. now, what will work up in that, that taking the decisions that the americans are at and they are very active ward off or does he have friends say a lot of the british the, the british also decide to the support of days that is also after all, the discovery of all the is that the allies regarding what type of,

of the 7th of october and at the beginning was all the struggling over and the adopted. there's really not, they've been all there to support this on the human at that and gaza able when they did not know the truth, but now they know they know that the guys were lying about what happened on the 7th of october, that the, the, the, that and that was brought out the context now they knew and they have decided to be part of this warcraft. so we kind of deal with them. and then on the objective part, unfortunately, everybody we are and is bank is very high price for that. you know, imagine if people did learn something from the 2nd world war and did learn something from the jewish experience of the 2nd world. and instead of all this destruction of all the scaling of all this blood chit,

they would have invested the same resources of the same amounts of money and energies in building nothing in, in, in destroying guzman. what would have happened? well, should that no, no, no, no, no busy get totally different modalities but unfortunately, so you can still be people learn very little out of the, any of the end of history, including people from the, on an historical experience in it. people and you would at least expect it more human approach to us all this less than you and bane from people who are victims of of, of, of, of a general. so i have to work victims or phrases and thoughtful for centuries. but now you, i've seen braces wallace's war crimes, it's what you're seeing. solidarity of goes from south africa and the global south

. the clearly which shows that those to whom evil is being done are indeed doing good. this the also very big any, any very important sooner there at the move was that that gives us a way to pull by the way from jewish activists. is ro, i'm from different parts of the. also any from jewish americans enjoys. you'll be as well as seeing them, and you can imagine how important is that, is it this will it that i think because at these it still keeps some meaning for the values that we have been struggling for, for the kids who will be at the top is often being censored from mainstream, so cool, mainstream media are obviously in nature nations i should say that the debunking of sexual crimes being committed on october, the 7th they headed babies and these sorts of stories still being repeated actually in the un security council, even off to being debunked,

but then you've got honestly, is like, oh sure it's what does that make jo by blue she so neck as live on the land of the e u. i. they can co conspirators in genocide what they meant and it the, the, the, their support. this is what allowed this rose to do. all this, you know, is really good, then tell them all. this was of the american british and eased report from the 1st week. they give it a huge support for is to do whatever they want to do. they, you know, i remember what over the 1st important articles regarding it, the intention of doing a genocide, grimes and what was written by a jewish is riley story. and he's did, you know, in the states, april 1st or rods?

that said, is a, it's telling the world that they are intending to do general? is that correct? why is the world not believing that the prime minister is think so if the difference minutes there is a so if the any minute the leadership are saying, so why is or let been having the they are saying they are intending to do that? well, i understand with respect to the to by then so now given the others and as in schools as of african joy, it's all preparing a 2nd case at the international court of justice. again, stomach was a bite and etc. deny it all. what about uh, again with that 2nd world war reflection of the importance of joseph goebbels to it, those campaign against the jews, the communist, and so on and nazi germany, how far is naija nation media complicit in the genocide to cnn sky news? the bbc, you media and the way they being reported,

they compress it as bob's adams in this international court of justice case against israel. i think, i think at the beginning they were all misled by this early narrative. but i think later on they started seeing it things differently, and now they are trying to, to be a little bit more objective. is it still, you know, the, the, any, the, they have a few problems. first of all is the following. i know i know them to cover does uh and uh, and then no objective way. they never saw that there was a uh on bbc that they're not allowed to send the drum listen to guys or because of his rarely that said that what is right allows the joe moments to do something. they're jealous of lead by the arms books now. and if imagine the army would just use of

a war crimes dates the drawer, movies. and that's what, what, what to do on what the wrap or what to do or what to do is they lead them through the, the items they want them correct. otherwise, a book that i don't think of it having worked at the bbc, that is how the nation journalism kind of works and it's, and then i have to say, but um, and that's just get onto your personal story. then i understand you annual wives relatives of been killed in the by u. s. u k. u weaponry. unfortunately, a yeah. as i told you know, on the palestinian big families of jeff. uh we have a relatives in, in just a oh me, my wife. all of my friends in uh, 3 days ago i was, i went to visit my brother and he lives in an area of, of the deck. if i need to know the deck and front me the last in uh,

in one of the buildings. safety of the family members inc, us when i visited them here in java, they were having a discussion. as you know, when we come home or a when you want me, when we well new or visit didn't for condolences and things and the family or what we're discussing between them. sense if they are allowed to warm, if they're allowed to have it then because they lost the family and they want to warm and, and they were terrified that this valley police would come on deck them in the in that then. so then the decided not to do it, but any, imagine this situation that's not enjoying it on the audio, your people, your relatives, the director of that do you, you can't do anything to them. you know,

all of the people that stepping me now in the streets, in joshua as a leader of the want to do something for that for maybe they can afford to help them economically that they can. and you, you can't imagine. what does that do? do do, do to the people psychologically that the order guzman, your brother is in a very serious need objectively you can help him. but because of this, the, because of the racist policy is because of the, you cannot, you cannot. and this i think, you know, it's hard to explain this, but i think that the war is not just doing all this to have the the we are seeing in gaza now 25000. something less than 5 thousands of any dis disappeared. don't know what i don't know that i'm not what i'm not unfortunately probably they are

not. i think this war is all this violence. crimes is killing the saws of, of, of, of hundreds of millions of people all over the subsidy. as much as any of the people of government on the grounds in the west bank in jerusalem, or all of this at deck on. the other thing is, it is and said is the and you know, this is a huge amounts of freedom, frustration. i don't know why all these states that claim democracy and claim that they get about to human rights or the constitution talks about to human rights and on equality and justice. how are they not seen or, or, or, or, or, or this being and was destruction of how as they stood supporting is i to tell you this. i don't know. maybe none of maybe none of these people because women and

children would have been killed without a british american and european union weaponry. given the inability of palestinians in the occupied territories to attack israel effectively. when will the time come to attack the? so the countries, the sources of the weapons that of getting all the women and children and i, i like, you know, it's, this is the hardest thing to do in such a situation. i think our role as us as political leaders distract to keep some who was all this hard to you wish it was all this restoration was all this and was all this very tempting the will to revenge a i think over a lot of me and will now is, is just to keep our humanity. i'm not to lose hope. i have to try to think positively on it,

but the future for all was all this hard situation. very complicated situation. a, we should not allow ourselves or our people as a, to become a victims of, of, of this instinct of, of, of revenge and, and violence. our role is, this is due to destroyed this vicious circle of wireless un, under revenge. and to try to build a better future for the i didn't leave your man, i mean is a was strategy. but now you're right. you are right. no, i know you don't with the front. i know you did not mean any other venture. of course, i know by seeing any of that that i, i'm really and i want to be talking to frank with you. i'm telling you that this is not, this is nothing easy. this is not an easy mission

a and the problem is that any of the is riley political discourse from all the different pull it to, i mean, imagine, you know, all that, that we are having this discussion was my, any part the comrades and it was my friends that tell me that some of you are talking about democracy for all the adjustments to equality. who's, who's your dentist? what, what is the good thing about before? now what, what is the other side? what? well, not even one is riley. political party went against the war crimes or asked for the step of the war or, or not to go to the innocent people. of course, i mean, i know i know well, well in a very hard situation. tell me i wish i to thank you to that's it for the show of continued condolences to those surviving the killing in gaza

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