the action or time speed, welcome back to going underground will cost to go around the world from the middle east on the 17000000000. kind of the 3 of us as far as the duration of germany's genocide allows for its concentration camp in poland. part of the holocaust which killed around 6000000 jews, while governments and people around the world commemorate those victims. apparently nothing is being done to stop the alleged genocide being committed right now with u . k. u. s. a new weapons in the middle east against palestinians in gaza were over 25000 people have been killed, mostly women and children. this in a week ways riley, bmw and yahoo rejected the creation of about a city and state something called unacceptable by un secretary general engineer gutierrez. joining me from tel aviv now is a former is randy class had remembered incumbent germany. these really are majority by large party which advocates for the rights of alice indians in israel. thank you so much, i savvy for coming on. soon as i said today, the anniversary of the as,

as, as the variation of our shipments stollins troops saving so many jews from german genocide. why is the u. s. u k. um, to attack on gaza. you the attack on guys a like ash which is the following. and then when in human history we had such a run it scene. yeah, i think this is the 1st time by the way that the victims of life. but it's a little bit that the jewish people will have suffered so much from, from racism and from the human a zation a are now and the national guard for justice a being charged was crimes of, of, of general. so this is, this is unbelievable then is so, so sad and so frustrating because it says that unfortunate the human beings do not know to them anything from, from history as a. and this is really very negative,

but not promising again to, to, to, to commemorate this, this is this, the important historical event you, you would expect that people would learn something, you know, at least the victims would learn something. but to, i'm not seeing any of this happening and where it's being continuous work. crimes drives that it a uh, but the south africa and a lot of other states i seen and by the palestinians of wars are seen as, as grams. that you can take it can be gold jello side. and then that and it's unbelievable. all this all this situation a, you know, in the order of 19 for derek and then the palestinian macbook in general is the biggest that a palace demands at the time. and 98 percent of its population were any exposed

by the values forces the different parts of the last one south are in government. now when i'm talking to now, this state instead of was that which i'm, i'm a citizen and is now a gillian goler from it is you know, on, on all the other products then you and families in java. we have our relatives in gust it, not just that it's getting the we're not allowed to express our views. i guess the killing of all our funding. well, i'm not allowed to is it was against budget. well, i'm not the voice against your general. so i'm at the voice against the war trance . no, the only legitimate voice in this data is ro, out of this crazy fascists who are asking for more blog or more destruction for, for throwing gun awesome one long guys. the for more generalized guy. it's as i'm believing about the situation. yeah,

we should say it's not all jews daily. it's only because it's a self proclaimed jewish state by a certain jewish lead is that we can give that out. sure. it's a comparison of course. uh well the, what is it like, i mean i understand you and your wife i the i, i want to share something with you. i totally agree with. first of all, of course it's not the jewish be and of course it's not because of anything they've got to do with your jews or you do so much of that. we have a very small minority of jewish activists who are paying very high price because they are struggling for human rights. imagine the situation, those who are supporting just the best will struggling for equality of those who are struggling for human rights. and this is rep are in serious danger. but of course no, of course not then it's, it's, it's, and it's not all of the judgement and what, what, what is being done. you know,

we are talking about the combination of watch with the policy is of the is rarely different government has been leading the jewish people, not just in israel, but all over the world to be much more in danger because of this racist and specialist wallace's that just done, a gunter division of zionism that districts have been the most safe place for google, and here it is being the most dangerous place, not just one of the jewels inside it, but also from the jewish people outside the state of israel. yeah, if you refer to the brave, the jewish people that express solidarity with the those that clearly who believe it is genocide, you know that nature, nation media reports that a israel is a free country is a democratic country and that's what marks it out is so different in the middle

east. what is it like to be a palestinian living in this state of israel? what's the phone? i wish it was. you know, you hear you, you'll be out of this propaganda all the time. and as a citizen in this, in this part of the world, i would have loved it to be in my mind for when we established our political bar to trying to change it with for, for, for the democracy annual in the, the main agenda. and my political party is trying to change is ro, from a joyce state estate which is built on race and the racial separation into a normal democracy. we call it this depth of all its citizens because we are struggling in the state of this right for equality and justice for all we are concerned that it takes 3 and then imagine this irony,

those who are struggling for peace, justice under equality for all our consider day 3 months, your war, the rest, your reward is being arrested. i just the end of all of the other boys is that that supports a few patients that wants to give gusta on the seat. that wants to give joyce a pretty empty that wants to keep precious the patient, of course, other than just a minute. and it is so contradicted that any in this that you are just so full of contradiction. now we are not allowed to express our views against the war. you know, all the senior leadership, what 20 percent of the population inside the setup wizard. as we have been trying to organize in march or is it is the most efficient against the war. since the 1st week of the war, we are being threatened by this that the police in every time that we go to bring the lessons for the most station, that the or those in the police station is do use live bullets. to prevent us from

demonstrating i was the day for hours me and another few colleagues left with for my member of the can as have been part of the senior leadership. we were in a legally did the the any. and that's a vision. and then we did that on the police station for hours because we wanted to and you have a small wrought this less than 50 people. get in one sign in, out of the gabriel english, ask you to stop the war. that's all. then hundreds of our students and there's value universities, what expos illegally from the colleges and universities because the human sentence on the social media that they part of them wrote that the children are blooming also in god's law, or stop the war or equitation for the i'm gonna stop you there because if you're comparing what's happening because unlike house rates. so if you look at the

figures, your med saying 4 percent of guys are killed, wounded or disappeared. that's a waste of 13000000 americans being killed by bones. in the usa say your clear that don't violent protest is the issue. even the jews rose up in the warsaw ghetto to kill their captors and oppresses and when there was a great module or 2 and a peaceful palestinian, the protest in gaza. thousands were killed, was to be honest in the 1st few weeks. and we would frankly defense ourselves because the, the situation was so dangerous that our expectation of lead this, of this part of the palestinian people that the explosion of the palestinian people is still a political program. what are the gun? it is right in the government. and for all this extreme right fascists in israel,

not just for the people, god but for all the palestinians and all over historic. and by this imagine that the, the situation was so dangerous and the at most viewed was so full of 444 mentality of revenge on violence that we were expecting also. and now that exposure for 20 percent of the is riley citizens. we have, is there any we are getting the citizenship we were expecting that because we are not jewish. we might also be expecting back order for fathers in the 19481 and the next. so you are right. you are in it and in, in the situation in a democratic society, you would stop general side was all means that you can single, i mean, that was the was to get to, i mean,

he wasn't genocide in south africa. mandela didn't even say it was, it was a pod today, and mondale is supported and he's always supported palestine through his life. the need to bomb restaurant, to end up archive. that was mandela strategy. but then i'm telling people to do this. that was the strategy of a lot of different national movements that were in need, struggling against apartheid occupation and so on. we have chosen a different strategic and our strategy is to try to build a better future for all by the way. this is a very special and very complicated situation. it's different the or other set, look on your project, we are seeing over a month our goal try on. so was questions together. the 1st thing in question and the jewish question. now this is a new situation where the victims of the supplemental on your project are seeing

their, their, the political goal in saving both sides. not just the 1st thing in question because by all of the options, all the solutions, if you can imagine, could be very violent and very and you could get done, bring much would be um, i'll give it to him and tell us position was different that i've interviewed and nelson mandela before he died, his position was different and did see that as well. he didn't see the mass legible app for economists. similarly, political violence or swap. and he chose at the end, mondale to save his people, us and to bid the but the future for all citizens of south africa. they chose the democratic, i've done nothing but because of the jail that was sent to me, i was trying to help stop you. the more from the chairman of these rarely our majority by live party improvement class and member off of this break the

choice between democracy and prod, talk, or see is a false one. because the ultimate issue is about who controls information the means of production and distribution. and who controls money in that and increasingly in the united states, for, for that matter, by, in china, russia and other countries is controlled by multinational corporations which are not an alternative government, but are rather a form of government itself, which is on account of the the

the the little go back to going undergoing i'm still here with the chairman of these really our majority party important tonight, that members army was shot at. somebody and pop when we were talking about the

mandate was very different view about resistance to a bond side. and of course, the warsaw, ghetto and associates anniversary. and i should to ask you really whether even a non violent embargo kind of environment, the em any one of the ships, the ways really link resulted in british and american and strikes on e. m. and this week is that the kind of scale of attack on any attempt to protest against what's happening and garza, the americans have decided to take sides in this. and then in, in this conflict and method of supporting those riley's and the world crimes. and they are sitting in this riley company. now, what will work up in that, that taking the decisions that the americans are at. and they are very

active ward off or disappeared crumbs say a lot of the british, the, the british, most of the side to the support of the is that is also after all the discovery of all the is value lies regarding what type of the 7th of october and at the beginning was all the struggling over and the adopted. there's really not, they've been all there to support this on the human deck on god. it, when they did not know the truth, but now there are no there that there is, as we're lying about what happened on the 7th of october, that the, the, that was the quote that now they knew. and they have decided to be part of this warcraft. so we kind of deal with them as a new objective bark. unfortunately, everybody we are and is, is being a very high price for that. you know, imagine if people did learn something from the 2nd world war and did learn

something from the jewish experience of the 2nd world. and instead of all this destruction of all this getting all this blood shit, they would have invested the same resources of the same amounts of money and energies in building nothing just in, in destroying gusts. what would have happened? well, should that no, no, no, no, no busy get totally different modalities but unfortunately, so you can still be people learn very little out of the, any of the end of history, including people from better on then it historically experience in it paper and you, you would at least expect it more human approach was all just a published in you and bane from people who are victims of of, of, of, of

a general sadler victims or phrases in 4444 centuries. but now you, i've seen braces wallace's war crimes. it's as well you're seeing solidarity of goods from south africa and the global south clearly which shows that those to whom evil is being done are indeed doing good this time. every oh, so very big any, any very important. so there, there at the move once that, that gives us a way to be pulled, by the way, from jewish active. this is ro and from different parts of the also any from jewish americans enjoys. you'll be as will i see them. and you can imagine how important is it that this will it, that i think because at the it's it still keeps some meaning for the values that we have been struggling for, for the kids who will be at that there's often being censored from mainstream

circle, mainstream media, obviously in nature nations, i should say that the debunking on of sexual crimes being committed on october, the 7th they headed babies and the sorts of stories still being repeated actually the un security council even after being debunked. but then you've got also is like, oh sure it's what does that make, jo, by wishy so next as live on the land of the e. u. i. they can co conspirators in genocide of what they meant. and it the, the, the, their support is what it is, right to do all this, you know, is really good, then tell them all, this was of the american british and eased report from the 1st week. they give it a huge support for is to do whatever they want to do. they, you know,

i remember what over the 1st important articles regarding it is the intention of, of doing a genocide, grimes and what was written by a jewish is riley story. and he's did you know, in the states, april 1st or rods? that said, is right, it's telling the world that they are intending to do general, is that correct? why is the world not believing that the prime minister is think so if the difference minutes there is a so if the any military leadership are saying, so why is or let been having the they are saying they are intending to do that? well, i understand with respect to the, to by been so not going to the others. and as in schools as of african drawer, it's all preparing a 2nd case at the international court of justice. again, stomach was day bite and etc. deny it all. what about, again, with that 2nd world war reflection of the importance of joseph goebbels to it was

campaign against the jews, the communist, and so on and nazi germany, how far is nato nation media complicit in the genocide to cnn sky news, the bbc you media, and the way they being reported they compress it as bonds, add ons in this international court of justice case against israel. i think i think at the beginning they were all misled by the early narrative. but i think later on they started seeing it things differently. and now they are trying to, to be a little bit more objective. it still, you know, they, i mean, they have a few problems. first of what is the following anyway. i know for them to cover does uh and uh, and then no objective way they know the say on bbc that they're not allowed to send the drum. listen to guys or because of his rarely that that what is right allows

their jo. notice to do something, they're jealous of lead by the arms books not. and if, imagine the army which is accused of the warcraft, takes the drawer, movies, and that's what, what to do on what the rad, or what to do, or where to go. is they leave them to that the items they want them right. otherwise the book that i don't think of it. well, i mean, was it the bbc that is, oh yeah, there's outpatient nation journalism kind of works and it's in and i have to say, but um, and that's just get onto your personal story. then i understand you and your wives relatives of been killed in the by u. s. u k. u weaponry. unfortunately, a yeah. as i told you know, on the palestinian big families of jeff. uh we have a relatives in in guzman the oh,

me my wife. all of my friends in uh, 3 days ago i was and i went to visit my brother and he lives in an area of, of the deck. if i need to know that can find me the last in uh, in one of the buildings. safety of the family members in gust when i visited them here in joshua, they were having a discussion. you know, when we come home or a when you want me, when we well new or visit, then for condolences and things and the family or what, what discussing between them sense if they are allowed to warm, if they're allowed to have it then because they lost their deal of their family and they went to long enough and they were terrified that this valley police would come on deck them in the in that then. so then the decided not to do it. but any, imagine this situation that's not enjoying it on your people,

your relative to the director of active or you, you can't do anything to them. you know, all of the people that stepping me now in the streets, in joshua as a lead to one of the want to do something for that for me. they can afford to help them economically that they can. and you, you can't imagine. what does that do? do do, do, do the people psychologically that your government and your brother is in a very serious need objectively you can help him. but because of this, the, because of the racist policy is because of the, you cannot, you cannot. and the didn't i think, you know, it's hard to explain this, but i think that the war is not just doing all this to her that we are seeing in

gaza now 25000 and less than 5000. and it just disappeared. don't know what it was, i don't know that i'm not what i'm not unfortunately probably they are not. i think this war is all this violence. crimes is killing the souls of, of, of, of hundreds of millions of people all over the subsidy as much as they need the people of government, the crowns in the west bank, in jerusalem, or all of this attack on the 1st thing is, insight is i know this is a huge amount of freedom, frustration. i don't know why all these states that claim democracy and claim that they get about to humor guides or the constitution talks about the human rights and all equality and justice. how are they and let's see, or, or, or, or,

or, or this being and was destruction of how as they stood supporting is that to continue this? i don't know, maybe none of maybe none of these people because women and children would have been killed without a british american and european union weaponry. given the inability of palestinians in the occupied territories to attack israel effectively. when will the time come to attack the so the countries, the sources of the weapons that of getting older women and children and i, i like, you know, it's, this is the hardest thing to do in such a situation. i think our role as, as political leaders, is trying to keep some who was all this hard to do. wish it was all this restoration was all this and was all this very tempting the

will to revenge a i think a lot of me and will now is, is just to keep our humanity not to lose hope to attract, to think positively on it. but the future for was this hard situation. very complicated situation is we should not allow ourselves or our people a to become a victims of, of, of this instinct of, of, of revenge. and i'm, and violence. our role is this is due to destroyed this vicious circle of wireless un, and revenge, and to try to build a better future for the i, i didn't leave revenge. i mean is it was strategy, but now you're right. you are right. no, i know you don't with the task for i know you did not mean any adventure,

of course i know by seeing it and that i, i'm really and i want to be talking to frank with you. i'm telling you that this is nothing. this is nothing is an issue. this is not an easy mission. a. and the problem is that any of the is riley political discourse from all the different qualities. and the imagine you know, all that, that we are having this discussion was my, any part the comrades and it was my friends that tell me that some of you are talking about democracy for all the adjustments to equality who's not in this was this one here that the thing about before. now what, what is the other side? what? well, not even one is riley political party. went against the war crimes or asked for the step of the war or not because just the,

some people. of course, i mean i know i know well well in a very hard situation somebody always yada. thank you to that's it for the show of continued condolences to those surviving the killing in gaza will be back on monday with the retired us army lieutenant colonel and professor of will fighting studies at the us army will college john not go until then? you can keep in touch by will i social media if it's not sensitive in your country and how do i channel going on the warranty and revel dot com to watch and you and all the episodes. i'm going on the right. see monday the

the all jerry, i. busy for the un security council to convey and, and that's been to force israel to implement the rulings headed down bobby international court of justice. which us, i think the world has already realized the absurdity of israel. and the condemnation of israel at the hey, court has justified this. is ron local, say the i c. j. preliminary ruling on, as well as a clear pomp of justice, ought to be as remain that he's well named march on with its destruction of gaza as his back by the united states. and frenzy is getting dumped on by its own fall. but as even as tyrus drop the plan to cub diesel subsidies strands of buildings and.