[000:00:00;00] the, the headlines this all, i'll give you a call for the un security council to convince in a bit to false israel. the implements the rulings handed down by the international court of justice also puts us. i think the world has already realized the absurdity of israel and the condemnation of israel at the hey, hoard has justified that iran local say the i c. j's rolling on israel is a clip past. the justice, profess still remain. it's israel may march on with this distortion in gaza and some americans steps in and from these guessing don't sound bites. old farmers, us despite power dropping up funds like a diesel subsidies for the buildings on the streets off piled high. publish

the the headlines, the 3 i must go time. my name's be to scott's and i'll be back with the full news run down in just under an hour's time. i'll see you. the options are time food. welcome back to going underground. real cost to go around the world from the middle east, on the 17000000000, kind of a 3 of us, a size liberation of germany's genocide allows for its concentration camp in poland . part of the holocaust which killed around 6000000 jews, while governments and people around the world commemorate those victims. apparently nothing is being done to stop the alleged genocide being committed right now with u . k. u. s. a new weapons in the middle east against palestinians in gaza were over

25000 people have been filled, mostly women and children. this in a week ways riley, bmw and yahoo rejected the creation of about a city and state something called unacceptable by un secretary general engineer gutierrez. joining me from tel aviv now is a former, it's really classic member and incumbent chairman of these really our majority by large party, which advocates for the rights of fellow citizens in israel. thank you so much, i savvy for coming on. soon as i said today, the anniversary it'd be as, as, as liberation of the house you, it's the style in strube saving so many jews from german genocide. why is the u. s . u k? i'm to tack on gaza. you to tack on guys? i like ash with where's the fall and i didn't know when in human history we had such an ironic scene. yeah, i think this is the 1st time by the way that the victims of life. but it's the jewish people who have suffered so much from, from racism and from the human a zation

a are now and the national guard for justice is being charged was crimes of, of, of jennifer. this is this is unbelievable. and so, so sad and so frustrating because it seems that unfortunate the human beings do not know to them anything from, from history a and this is really very a negative one that's promising due to commemorate this, this is this, the important historical event you, you would expect that people would learn something, you know, at least the victims would learn something, but to, i'm not seeing any of this happening and where it's being continuous war crimes, crimes that it a uh but, but south africa and

a lot of other states i see. and by the palestinians of wars are seen as, as grams that you can take it can be gold jello side. and then that and it's unbelievable. all this all this situation a, you know, in the order of 1948 and then the palestinian neck about it. the whole is the biggest that are published against at the time and 98 percent of its population were any exposed buses. then as far as is the different parts of the less the went south out in guzman. now when i'm talking to now, the state instead of was that which i'm, i'm a citizen, it is now a getting dollar from it is, you know, all of the 1st indian families in java. we have our relatives in gusts and not just the state is getting them. we are not allowed to express our views

against the killing of our funding. we are not allowed to raise a voice against budget. well, i'm not the voice against your general side who are not the voice against the war trance? no, the only legitimate voice in in this there is row out of this crazy fascists who are asking for more blog or more destruction for, for throwing on awesome. one long guys though for more generalized grant, it's unbelievable situation. yeah, we should say it's not all jews. clearly it's only because it's a self proclaimed jewish state by a certain jewish lead is that we can give that out. sure. it's a comparison of course. uh well the, what is it like, i mean i understand you and your wife on the i, i want to share something with you. i totally agree with. first of all, of course it's not the jewish be. and of course, it's not because of anything they've got to do with you jews or you just met just

that we have a very small minority of jewish activists who are paying very high price because they are struggling for the human rights. imagine the situation, those who are supporting just those, those still struggling for quality of those was struggling for human rights. and this was wrapped out in serious danger. but of course no, of course not. then it's, it's, it's this and it's not all of the use. and what, what, what is being done? you know, we are talking about the combination of watch the policy is of the is really different government has been leading the jewish people, not just in israel, but all over the world to be much more in danger because of this racist and specious policies that just done a gunter division of zionism that this doesn't have been the most safe place for

google. and here it is being the most dangerous place, not just one of the tools inside of it, but also from the jewish people outside of the state of israel. us. yeah, you refer to the brave, the jewish people that express solidarity with the those that clearly who believe it is genocide, you know, that nature, nation media reports that a israel is a free country is a democratic country and that's what marks it out. it's so different in the middle east. what is it like to be a palestinian living in this state of israel? what's the phone? i wish it was. you know, you hear you, you'll be out of this propaganda all the time. and as a citizen in this, in this part of the world, i would have loved it to be and my, my, my point me, we established our political party trying to exchange it with for, for,

for the democracy. and when is the main agenda and my political party is trying to change israel from a joyce state instead, which is built on race and the rest of separation into a normal democracy. we call it this depth of all its citizens because we are struggling in the state of this right for equality and justice for or we ought to consider the extreme. and imagine this irony, those who are struggling for peace justice under equality for or argument through the day 3 months during war, the rest, your reward is being arrested. not just the end of all of the other boys is that that supports a few patients that wants to keep guards are on the seat that wants to give joy superior to. that's why so precious a patient, of course other than just them a and it is so going to this did the, any in this that you are just so full of one to dixie. now we are not allowed to

express our views against the law. you know, all the senior leadership, what 20 percent of the population inside the system we have been trying to organize in march or the city as the most efficient against the war. since the 1st week of the war. we are being threatened by the is that the police in every time that regard to bring the lessons for the most station that the or those in the police station is do use live bullets to prevent us about the right thing? i was the days for hours me and another few colleagues, that's where for my member of the contest have been part of the senior leadership. we were in a legally did the the any. and that's the only station. and then we get that on the police station for hours because we wanted to and you have a small wrought this less than 50 people get in guam sign in. out of the gabriel

english asked me to stop the war. that's all. then hundreds of our students and the universities would expose illegally from the go to just on the reverse. it is because the human symptoms on the social media that they part of them role that the children are blooming. also in gaza or stop the war or equitation for me, i'm going to stop you there because if you're comparing what time need to guys and like house rates? so if you look at the figures, your med saying full percent of guys are killed, wounded or disappeared, that's a waste of $13000000.00 americans being killed by bones. in the usa say your career that don't violent protest is the issue. even the jews rose up in the warsaw ghetto to kill their captors and oppressors. and when there was a great module or 2 and a peaceful palestinian, the protest in gaza thousands were killed,

was to be honest in the 1st few weeks. and we would frankly defend ourselves because it, the situation was so dangerous that our expectation of lead this, of this part of the palestinian people that the explosion of the palestinian people is still a political program for the gun. it is really government. and for all this extreme right, fascists and israel, not just for the people because but for all the police, the news and all over the historic and by this imagine that the, the situation was so dangerous and the act must be, it was so full or for for, for mentality or revenge on the violence that we were expecting also and love that exposure for 20 percent of the is riley citizens. we have is there any we are

getting this added citizenship. we were expecting that because we are not jewish. we might also be expecting back over for fathers in the 1941 and the next. so you are right. you are in an indian normal situation in a democratic society. you would stop. genocide was or means that you can think of. i mean, that was the was to get to, i mean, he wasn't genocide in south africa. manville. it didn't even say it was, it was a pod today and mondale is supported and he's always supported palestine through his life. the need to bomb restaurant to end up archive. that was mandela strategy . but then i'm telling people to do this. that was the strategy of a lot of different national movements that were any struggling against apartheid occupation and so on. we have chosen

a different strategy. and our strategy is to try to build a better future for all by the way. this is a very special and very complicated situation. it's different. the or other set, look on on your project. we are seeing our 8 months our goal try on. so was questions together, the 1st thing in question and the jewish question. now this is a new situation where the victims of the supplemental on your project are seeing their, their, the political goal in saving both sides. not just the 1st thing in question because, but all of the options or all the solutions, if you can imagine, could be very violent and very and you could get, can bring much more. the more i'll give it a mind. dallas position was different that i've interviewed and nelson mandela before he died. his position was different and did see that as well. he didn't see

the mass murder will apricots, similarly political violence, or swap. and he chose at the end, mondale to save his people, us and to build it, but the future for all citizens of south africa. they chose the democratic, i've done nothing but because of the jail that was sent. finally, i was trying to help stop you, the more from the chairman of these rarely our majority by live party improvement class and member off of this break, the will go back to going underground. i'm still here with the chairman of these really our majority party important tonight, that members army was shot at. somebody and pop when we were talking about the mandate was very different view about resistance to a bod side, and of course the warsaw ghetto and associates anniversary. and

i should to ask you really, whether even a non violent embargo kind of know by with the m and e, one of ships the ways really link result in british and american and strikes on yemen this week. is that the kind of scale of attack on any attempt to protest against what's happening in gaza as the americans have decided to take sides and this. and then in, in this conflict and method of supporting those riley's and the world crimes. and they are sitting in this riley coming to work up in that taking the decisions that the americans are at. and they are very active or off, or does he have friends say a lot of the british, the british, most of the side to the support of the is that is also after all the discovery

of all the is value lies regarding what type of the 7th of october and at the beginning was all the lines that was built on over and the adopted. there's rarely now that they've been ordered to support this on the human at that and gaza able when they did not know the tools, but now they know they know that the, those were lying about what happened on the 7th of october. that the, the, that is that, and that was brought out the context now they knew and they have decided to be part of this warcraft. so we kind of deal with them as an objective part. unfortunately, everybody we are and is bank of very high price for that. you know, imagine if people did learn something from the 2nd world war and did learn something from the jewish experience of the 2nd world. and instead of all this destruction of all the scaling of all this blood shit,

they would have invested the same resources of the same amounts of money and energies in building nothing just in, in destroying go. so what would have happened was you that no, no, no, no, no busy get the different modalities. but unfortunately, so you can still be people learn very little out of the, any of the end of history, including people from but on an historical experience in it. and you would at least expect it more human approach towards oldest us than you in pain from people who are victims of, of, of, of a general sadler victims or phrases in 4444 centuries. but now you, i've seen braces wallace's war crimes. it's what you're seeing, solidarity of goes from south africa and the global south, clearly,

which shows that those to whom you will, is being done are indeed doing good this time. also very big. any, any very important sooner there at the move was that that gives us a way to pull by the way from jewish activists. is ro, and from different parts of the also any from jewish americans enjoys. you'll be as well as seeing them. and you can imagine how important is it that this will it, that i think because at these it still keeps some meaning for the values that we have been struggling for, for the kids who will be it for that is often being censored from mainstream circle of mainstream media, obviously in nature nations, i shouldn't say that the debunking of sexual crimes being committed on october, the 7th they headed babies and these sorts of stories still being repeated actually

of the un security council even off to being debunked. but then you've got, honestly, is like, oh sure it's what does that make, jo, by wishy so neck as live on the land of the e u. i. they can co conspirators in genocide what they meant and it the, their support is what it is right to do. all this, you know, is really good. then tell them all. this was of the american british and eased report from the 1st week. they give it a huge support for is to do whatever they wanted to. they knew, you know, i remember one of the 1st important articles regarding it, the intention of doing a genocide, grimes and what was written by

a jewish is riley story. and these did, you know, in the states, april 1st or rods? that said, is a, it's telling the world that they are intending to do generals that correct? why is the world not believing that the prime minister is think so if the difference minutes there is a so if the any minute the leadership are saying, so why is or not believing that they are saying they are intending to do this? well, i understand with respect to the terabyte and sooner than the others and as in schools, as of african joy, it's all preparing. the 2nd case that the engineer shall go to just as a gain stomach was a bite and etc deny it all. what about, again, with that 2nd world war reflection of the importance of joseph goebbels to it was campaign against the jews, the communist, and so on and nazi germany, how far is nathan nation media complicit in the agendas? i just, cnn, sky news, the bbc you media and the way they've been reporting are they compress it as bob's add ons,

in this international court of justice case against israel. i think i think at the beginning they were all misled by this early narrative. but i think later on they started seeing it things differently, and now they are trying to, to be a little bit more objective. it still, you know, the, the, i mean, the, they have a few problems. first of all is the following. anyway, i know for them to cover just uh and uh, and then no objective way. they never saw that it was a on bbc that they're not allowed to send the drum listen to guys or because of his rarely that, that what is right allows their jo notice to do something their job, my list of lead by the arms books now. and if, imagine the army would just use of it warcraft takes

the drawer, movies, and that's what, what, what to do and what the, what to do or where to go is they leads them to that the item they want them correct. otherwise, the cover having worked with the bbc, that is, oh yeah, it is how you doing nation journalism kind of works and it's in and i have to say but um, and that's just get onto your personal story. then i understand you and your wives, relatives of being killed in the by u. s. u k. you weaponry? unfortunately a yeah. and then as i told you know, on the palestinian big families of jaffa, we have the relatives in, in gusting the all me, my wife, all of my friends in uh, 3 days ago i was and i went to visit my brother. and he lives in an area of, of the deck, if i need to know the deck and front me the last in uh,

in one of the bombings safety of the family members inc. us, when i visited them here in java, they were having a discussion. as you know, when we come home or a when you want me, when we well new or visit didn't for condolences and things and the family or what we're discussing between them. sense. if they are allowed to warm, if they're allowed to have it then because they lost the family and they want to warm and, and they were terrified that this valley police would come on deck them in the in that then. so then the decided not to do it, but, and it imagined this situation that's not enjoying it out of your people, your relatives, your director of that. do you, you can't do anything to them. you know,

all of the people that stepping me now in the streets, in joshua as a leader of the want to do something for the front. maybe they can afford to help them economically that they can. and you, you can imagine what does that do? do do, do to the people psychologically that the order guzman, your brother is in a very serious need objectively you can help him. but because of this, the, because of the racist policy is because of the, you cannot, you cannot. and this is, and i think, you know, it's hard to explain this, but i think that the war is not just doing all this to have the the we are seeing in gaza now 25000 and less than 5000. and it just disappeared. don't know what was

i don't know that i'm not what i'm not unfortunately probably they are not. i think this war is all this violence. crimes is killing the souls of, of, of, of hundreds of millions of people all over the subsidy. as much as any of the people of government on the grounds in the west bank in jerusalem, or all of this at deck on. the 1st thing is it is and said is the and you know, this is a huge amounts of pain and frustration. i don't know why all these states that claim democracy and claim that they get about to human rights or the constitution talks about to human rights and only equality and justice. how are they not seen or, or, or, or, or, or this being and was destruction of how as they stood supporting is, i don't tell you this, i don't know, maybe not maybe none of these people because women and children would have been

killed without british american in european union weaponry, given the inability of palestinians in the occupied territories to attack israel effectively. when will the time come to attack the. so the countries that of the sources of the weapons that are getting older women and children and i, i like, you know, it's, this is the hardest thing to do in such a situation. i think our role as, as political leaders, distract to keep some who was all this hard to, to wish was all this restoration was all this and was all this very tempting the will to revenge a i think over a lot of me and will now is is just to keep our humanity. i'm not to lose hope. i have to attract to think positively on it,

but the future for was this hard situation. very complicated situation. a, we should not allow ourselves or our people as a, to become a victims of, of, of this instinct of, of, of revenge and, and violence. our role is, this is due to destroyed this vicious circle of wireless un, and revenge. and to try to build a better future for the i i didn't mean to manage. i mean, is a war strategy, but now you're right. you are right then? no, i know you don't with the task for i know you did not mean any adventure. of course i know. bless you and i'm really and i want to be talking to frank with you. i'm telling you that this is nothing. this is nothing is an issue. this is not an easy mission,

a and the problem is that any of the is riley political discourse from all the different qualities. and the imagine, you know, all that, that we are having this discussion was my, and the part the comrades. and it was my friends that tell me that some of you are talking about democracy for all the adjustments to equality who's, who's you know, didn't just what, what is the good thing about before. now what, what is the other side? what? well, not even one is riley political party went against the war crimes or asked for the step of the war or not because just the innocent people, of course, and i know i know well well into a very hard situation. tell me i was yada. thank you to that's it for the show of continued condolences to those surviving the killing in

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