[000:00:00;00] the meanwhile, the officials and flaws of promise to provide further assistance to farmers in order to encourage them to withdrawal. they practice from major roadways at new powers. but as crews will cooled into several waived debris and piles of defiance from a main highway near the capital, we heard from fish and use the 0 found roll. the arrow stuff full circle organization. you said is the indifference to the faith follows is in itself, approval gauge, investigators or the control i can pick some farmers including those in congress promoting your opinions ation, for example, in germany. realized that the european union was there, and therefore the authorities have given up on the opinions of farmers and are going to take more drastic measures against them. indifference to the fate of

farmers in the context of large scale your brain dumping should be considered within the context of this confrontation. they were cautious after, and i am specifically talking about the french for one of those square, sacrificed on the altar under this log. and we need to build, you realize that every time the authorities and brothels retreat their retreat for a short time, the government in brussels has become the person if occasion, even to the point of caricature of what in our french culture, we call a frog placed and a bottle of boiling water, boiling water must be poured very, very slowly. otherwise the front will realize that it is going to die now. and we'll try to escape, walk through 12, but as of this new, the new check out and i'll call most of interesting. so is i will be back with some of them

the to hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. as many predicted israel's onslaught on gods, is triggering a much larger middle east complex. it appears the united states is willing to fight israel's regional enemies for israel. this is what joe biden's, blank check underwriting. israel actually means the cross ok in palestine on joined by my guess, london new new york. he is a legal in media analyst in toronto. we have food that i use, he is a professor of sociology at mount royal university in calgary and in rome. we crossed to romano roberto. she is an author and managing editor of the palestine chronicle. right, press up rules and the fact that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. let's go to the good professor 1st in toronto, i'm calling this program biden's blank,

blank check. and that's essentially what we see coming from the administration. we have these hemming and hawing, you know, negotiations with friends can disagree with each other in private. all of this nonsense is verbal, nonsense actions speak louder than words and i see nothing coming out of the by the administration. that is stopping israel's onslaught on, on gaza and possible regional ambitions. there is no red line. they can't cross. go ahead in toronto. yeah, thank you for having me look at 1986 when buying was a member of the us senate committee on. ready relations he said very bluntly, the israel didn't exist, us would invent it. and, and he argued at that point, he opposed sales to weapon sales to saudi arabia, because then i quote, the saudis could not become agents of us interest in the birds ship in the persian gulf region. it has always viewed israel as in as an investment for us

imperial interest in the region. and, and it, i mean, over it seems, since its founding in 1948, the united states has given israel anywhere between i've seen estimates of a $130000000000.00. i've seen people account for inflation saying it's closer to $300000000000.00. now the majority of that money goes to weapons and, and weapons sales. by the way, these really have to spend the majority of that funding to buy weapons from american defense firms and defense contractors. and so it's basically when he says has been investment he's, that's the only moment he's telling the truth. he sees it as the largest u. s. military base in the world. and, and as, as a base that serves us imperial, interested in the region. and in the us has no red lines itself over what israel does, because the us will pursue its goals in the region, regardless of how much death and destruction that causes to the people of the

region. and this is really critical to understate you know, uh, underlying that, that the, the us to use israel as an imperial outpost. that's is, that's the reason for its support. it has nothing to do with democratic values. it has nothing to do with respect for human rights or international law. there's nothing to do with these talking points that saturate our political discourse well in this part where professor it is, it seems quite obvious to me that you are a regular viewer of this program. because that's what i'd say every single week here. let me go to a line. oh, well i know in light of what we heard from our guest in toronto. um, i don't want to be too per box and of here, but it seems to be that buying just put a genocide on the ballot as well. which so fascinating to me is how the narrative is changing every single day. and how there was, is up to it in counter programming from a variety of very, very popular and very important platforms which give

a different version of this. i was also worried. learning is that they remember where we were here october, the 7th. the narrative of this um, as max blumenthal causes the texas chainsaw massacre story, which has been refuted, i hearken back to one of the greatest lions in american cinema from the man who shot liberty balance. when the legend becomes fact, print the legit and what we're seeing is, is this evolving the narrative which is, brings into mythology, which is now being a budget by reality. and americans have really they, they understand the ukraine, the because they hate russia and russo phobia. yeah. yeah, yeah, a lot of americans are so you know, explain this again. how is real or this particular area, the world is a, is an actual real threat and watch that story again. and how has the narrative of october the 7th kind of dwindled? do you see what's happening here?

it's like watching birds and memories and you're seeing huge movements of, of themes change, and one that drips off completely. americans, if they say, wait a minute, you, you let us on to something we don't understand and buying is assuming that people are following along to the music that everybody's on. well, what bird with us? yeah, but the be that the trick there is never to give context, and that's where these people, when did the, the estimate and the, the american administration, these relays and american allies. i don't want to contextualize anything. and it's really remarkable when you will, and when you allow people like our on our, our guest on our program to give the context it is. so i opening for so many people . i didn't know that. okay. i actually ramana i was actually in the or after october 7th i was on a pod cast and very smart guy, really a nice guy. but he didn't even realize that gus was under siege. he didn't know it was being blockaded. see,

this is what we have to deal with here. when makes it so difficult to get a what i would say an alternative narrative, but the truth out. go ahead, romano. yes. first of all, of course, there is a lock from mainstream media to analyze the situation. impala and ending the in particular, in general, even prior to october 7. but following october 7, it was very important for the actors involved in this tool for both of the narrative that i agree. it was like a mess and legend and then towards functional, not only for ease law to carry out genocide and acts as we are seeing now, unfortunately for the $118.00 days in a row, but also to div um do 40 to called justification to the actions of the united states, because now you're seeing, yes, it's true the united states has in for,

in the region. and i totally agree. and this is the main reason why the united states has consistently supported as well. so all the year. but what we are witnessing now is that the united states is kind of available to know its own interests in the region. we have never seen so many actors involved, even in new york state, dr. b, a, open the against the united states. and despite all of this, the united states is still along with, as well also because of the pro is may not be in the country, the upcoming elections, and so forth and so on. so of course they needed a validation justification and the tribes to push the clock back to over 20 years ago. they tried to say it's like $911.00 guys. so this is a war on terror. we are completely justified. well, i think this justification is not working with the current audiences anymore in the west and in the us either. well, if you go back to the professor in toronto,

i mean, yeah, i absolutely expect is conflict to expand and 11 on is the, the front incentive here. these railings will drag the american. we have to keep it, you know, who wags, who wags the dogs here. this is the problem here because i don't think the box and ministration wants to get. i have the conflict expanding to 11. i'm, but that is real. certainly does, since it's not winning in god so, so if it's not winning and god's it will expand the conflict. and of course you have these ridiculous central senators, i won't even mention on my program here that they want to knock in, you know, give it to a ram. this is exactly what is really wants the united states to do go head and toronto. yeah. and it's, and yahoo has one to be us to take on their end for a very long time. have us. i don't believe us. ready around one and all that we're actually the, or the, even some political, a sort of groups in israel that don't want that all that word. but, but israel as a whole, has moved so far to, to, to the right that they do want like that. there are, there are elements that certainly want that all that were. let me, let me pull out

a quote from biting himself recently when asked about the attack on the us based in, in jordan and the reporter ask them, you know, do you hold a rand responsible for this? and this was his response, and i quote yes and i quote in the sense that there's supplying the weapons to the so that, okay, so you're in the meeting, the us is responsible for the genocide of the palestinian because you're supplying israel with the weapons to do that so you are in the thick of it, you said aircraft carriers immediately to protect israel as they carry the genocidal operation. high ranking military officials are meeting with these really military, the military officials on a consistent basis. of course, the people in the region are making the right read that the us is actively involved in this and are responsible for all the acts of genocide that these ratings are committing. there are just as responsible as these release, and this is the possibility of

a wider regional war is still on the table. i've said this before, it doesn't, it's not every war starts because everybody agrees we what just started a war, you know, war can start and everybody's saying we don't want to war and then it still happens anyway. i'm not predicting it will happen. i'm not saying that it will for sure happen, but it's still a very real possibility on the table here. but, i mean, i think we can, you know, we can extend that argument, lionel. i mean, if, if netanyahu, who wants to save his own political skin here, it's in, it's in his interest to expand the complex evey will do, there's not much spite and can do to stop that. you know, i'm, i was explaining to somebody what i think i try to do and with all due respect, i hope no one takes offense at this. i feel almost like a special ed teacher who understands that my classroom, namely the american people. my fellow americans have learning disabilities. they live under a 19, uh 60 seventy's delusion that all of our ammunition is just comes out of nowhere

that we can beat any, any country at any time. and the people like has below how much the hose these items are. all of these are primitive spears throwing tribal on whichever risk you have and why look the item before we go to the break, all the groups you just mentioned there they are. the result of american involvement in the middle east isn't exactly there all reactions to american imperial interest in the middle east supported by israel. that is the facts here never presented in mainstream media. all right, i have to jump in here folks, we have to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine state with our team, the new video of a ledge abuse by an officer. today for sheriff's deputy and columbia,

south carolina forcibly removed a student from a classroom at spring valley high school. i saw him just talking to her this plan her and initially, you know, i didn't think is a problem because i knew that she was just this quiet student in the class. someone looked at the police officer and says, here is law enforcement that is worse. clearly attacking, abusing power and then there are others besides, this is what's wrong with the poorly behaved on discipline black children. he was there enforcing a lot to meet the crime, to quote, disturb schools in any way. that means any disturbance that any kids causes in school is huge and forces never predict but necessary. a tops people were never gonna change your mind, so people will never change their minds about video. they think i was wrong, and that's it.

the the welcome back across software. all things are considered. i'm funeral about your mind. you were discussing palestine. the okay, let's go back to the in room. another plays in this element in that the main stream media in governments are, are, are peddling all the time is be the day after i find it. so insulting. why don't we deal with what's going on today and worry about that later. and of course,

the day after never includes any kind of an active role on the part of the palestinians are just objectified like they've been for the last 75 years. so i mean it, for as far as i'm concerned, this is just another a distraction against what's going on in gaza, which is a genocide. go ahead in rome. seduce me on the one hand. it has a lot to do with the, the new version. i have that we were speaking about a while ago. yes. because of course there is this idea that there is no right of self determination. this, these people are suited to humanize that we do not have to agree on the right of self determination. so we can completely, as a clear on your power and intuitive power decide on the fate of millions of people . but the problem here is go to so that each log is, you know, trying to speak about the day after, but not only east east or the west in general. the united states,

the european countries, speaking about a 2 state solution and a d minutes arrived speed, but they have no idea even on how to end these work. these are the 2 now. so we are speaking about something that is completely, you know, out of the wheel of priorities of the actual priority of here is what it does not know how to end the work because of insurance pressures because, and when it's ready, defense administered, you are good access these is an existential threat. in this case, i think it's the truth. you tell me that is why they're not simply stop the war award that gets rosie and the day after saying, i'm leaving in this region and i am, you know, the midst of invincibility. even from the ministry point of view, coordinate to cut points of view has completely east company the integers now. so if the does not know how to put it on its own existence in the region,

and you know, speaking about the future of cause of a, in this moment without informing that's of power for after the policy and resistance, which is now currently leading a 40 minutes journey, but also politically as talk to you directly. we're seeing if, even if the negotiations undergoing a square see that the last one is for with, you know, in the policy number existence, hands, these means something. and despite the fact that you know, the west seems not to be aware of it. lucky and actually the day when paul to deal with these we are ready for for yeah they, they live in this fanciful unicorn world. it's, it's really exhausting covering it. i mean, i do, this is what i do for a living, but i believe that's what that's exhausting. an age is me here. let's go back to the professor in toronto. you know, we just, romano is talking about the x a central threat to israel. i think it's a good point, but i think we can be more refined in the a b,

there's an ex essential type design is them in the, in design is by the all what g that we've seen in getting worse and more worth more and more radical over the decades, particularly under the present, a government here that is under threat. okay and, and it doesn't know how to move forward, okay. it has no, dear control it. we all react to do with only with violence because it only believes in deterrence. well, if you're deterrence is in tatters, then you are even more dangerous. that's what i worry about. go head and toronto. absolutely. let me just very, very quickly say that the real existential threat right now is to the house being and people who are you? good. yeah, and yeah, yeah, right, yeah, right, okay, but i got that it got it. yeah. whatever, yeah, i know people agree, but i just want to make that clear. sure. and, and just so zionism is a political ideology that was always going to go down the path of, of using violence. it's, it's a very simple equation. i won't get into the academic complexities of it. people and palestinians lived on the land. zionism was a project that said, well, we wouldn't different people that live on the land. so we have to remove those people, of course,

for the off the land because they will never just leave their land. who does, nobody does, nobody just says all i'm going to leave my home. and so, so it was violence from the 19 early part of the 19 hundreds and, and that violence continues the 20th century into the 21st century minus was inevitably going to get more and more extreme. and, and so this genocidal operation is not the 1st 1948 was the 1st mass explosion of the palestinians. and we have the housing is what we call the ongoing but not to buy machines. catastrophe. and we're seeing this next phase of mass exposure and happening right now. but it's, it was never going to look at it. of course it has produced and it is producing right now completely devastating consequences that it will take palestinians. generations, the hill um, uh but, but it was never going to actually succeed because palestinians, this is their home and they're never going to leave it. we can share the homelands, we can make it both of our homelands. of, of, you know, i've, i've made this very clear and that in other, in other writing, well, i know what are the, what a radical i yeah. what

a radical idea. my good. have you key rights for everyone while that's really, you know, that's radical thinking. line all in the same line of thinking here is that i, i don't know if you heard because it was in the last new cycle that camella harris had some kind of election event. and i don't know why anyone in their right mind would go to such an event, but we'll leave that aside. but to women and had jobs were turned away. so what, what's going on with the, with the liberal, tolerate west. ok. i mean, it's just absolutely discussing this kind of behavior line. oh, wait. oh, it's funny. again, i always represent this i'm, it's like i'm a traveler in time. i'm dealing with the people here in my country who have no idea of what's going on. and i'm trying my best to, to tell them please, for the love of god. listen to what's going on right now. you know, years ago i'll never forget. there was a, an instance where i think it was karen hughes or somebody from the,

from the george bush administration. and she was talking to some, some very wealthy saudi arabian women who wore veils. and she said one day, you know, one day i'm going to have you be able to walk without that veil and drive if you want. and this woman stood up, she says, i have 12 drivers. would you tell them other theresa, this us? and i'll never forget the idea that we are still intellectually landlocked in a time where if i went to times square, which is about 5 blocks from me now, and i said, here's a $1000.00. can anybody even remotely approximate what zionism means? what is it you e? i'm embarrassed to say people would say i have no idea what you're talking about because we think that there is this place called israel, that is always attacked by these people. call the terrorists who want them obliterated. and if you want to speak up about this, you're then they change the, the dynamic,

and you're an anti semite. you turned it. and right now on college campuses, people who just merely want to express an idea at of all things this, this marketplace are free ideas. they're expelled or can be submitted, but they can be a can be racist and, and promote d, i stuff that's a different story. and i am living in this intellectual field and, and they talking deal was like this, this refreshing always is like, i'm not alone. somebody understand what's going on here. i swear to you, i'm on a desert island, the are my country. yeah. well the that, that is, that will, that is really destroys to live any kind of moral legitimacy. the united states has in the world moving forward. a ramona, i think that you know what a, we've seen, you know, the system. it's just a systematic rape story. we've seen unrestored, but since again, slight of hand change, the topic changed the topic. but i think anthony, blinking,

i can imagine him in an orange jumpsuit. it's like, it's really incredible to read these mainstream reports about or the what they call the atrocities on october 7. and then there's always a line towards the end of the article, say no further evidence was provided, even we'd be under a story. so why are you leaving? we've pads, piece of news if you have no evidence and you admitted to that. and then there is, you know, the, the idea of these mainstream and media with, you know, invincible in its pursuing of the, to us. but we have seen time and again throughout history, how the tooth was constantly manipulated what i am with and this thing here and now is the, the new generation bill and gives me some whole various, etc. and there is, it's, you know, they're switching to something else the, you know,

the police say of the house or i do not seem to work so well with the new generations. they open 6 tall uh from you know, one gets ready with me and then they see something else. and they're curious about it. and we seem to have time to ration, you know, the day after the scene for campaign from zara. the, you know, the, the pass and branding the giant. and they went physically to the stores and say, you cannot do this. so these tend to ration seems less aware, less, you know, sense simple less. um, i took to the, the big task of the house bar. and despite the fact that is what it is so desperate and actually reported with the policy and chronicle, they're actually buying artificial intelligence system to try to direct the debate on social media. but, and despite the fact that we know that there is no fee, so basically sense of shit with some social media, especially with

a mess of pat from which is the biggest social media platform. but despite all of this, this is not the house, this long, medium work. and the, or accusations and allegations do not seem to register with the new generation. and it happened in the past professor if you seen that change of consciousness and generations because, you know, i think of a, the number of times that israel is mode, the grass mowed the lawn as it were. but in this time around, there's so much more awareness, youtube and things like this is really quite extraordinary during all of this tragedy, that is the only little sliver of hope that i see that people are interested in what's going on. go ahead, professor. yeah, i agree, i've said this before, genocide has consequences. people don't just forget about a man, a man said the perfect word already. yeah, and you said a perfect word earlier, fanciful. the americans and his relays have a span, simple idea that a year after this operation ends, people are going to move on. this is,

this is entirely false. people will never forget about this. there are the people's political consciousness of, of the world of politics, of, of the, over their place in history and, and in the activism is being shaped in this moment. and the consequences of that will be felt far and wide for a long time to them. hopefully, uh to, to advance more freedom and liberation for more people are all, and you know, that really can end on this note here. but i, i was thinking and use what you said their professor years from now people will ask you, what did you do? what did you think, and what did you know? and that will haunt a lot of people and i, and i'm really glad that i have i like everyone can see my stripes on my shoulder. and i take a lot of blackboard, lady and gentlemen, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guest in toronto, new york, and in rome. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time,

remember crossed up rules. the in the year of 1954, the united states of america engaged in warfare against the people of vietnam. the white house supported the corrupt public governments of southern vietnam. 1965 americans began their invasion following the aim to defeat the forces of vietnamese patriots. the defense a gun was confident that the victory would be on the american side due to its military superiority. however, the vietnam eastern days wore into total hail for the occupants. unable to cope with the guerrillas,

the american army started blanket bombing alongside using chemical weapons and naples, which burnt all a live village of miles away. where in 1969 american soldiers killed 504 civilians, including 210 children, became a tragic symbol of this war. all and all. during the whole period of this conflict, the usa dropped on vietnam more than $6000000.00 tons of bombs, which is 2 and a half times as much as on germany during the 2nd world war. in 1973, the american army under the pressure of the rebels, withdrew from vietnam, and only 2 years later did the pop and regime. and so i got involved. however, the vietnamese paid a high price for their freedom. more than 1000000 in vietnamese people became the victims of america and the aggressors

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