or fee in units, there is no public support for transferring from wells to ukraine. whether it's alms funds or anything it's, it's, this is a policy directed by the leaders of the us. they would have to renew the subsidies and they would have to withdraw the uh, the various uh, green new deal. uh, policies that are obviously hurting farm is farmers throughout europe. a fed up with it. and this go to, this is the metal emphasis germany. this is bronze, this is poland, hungary, it is throughout europe that the fed up with policies that i cleared it directed at farmers. well, even some politicians are actually speaking out. a dutch member of parliament, caroline found a plas, says, no surprise. the fun was of protesting that being destroyed. question, what with us here? it's on the

a hi has to guess the president this event, excuse himself, is basically delusion. and that he has become drunk with his own rhetoric as well as flats or visa to use to receives from the rest. i think this has really to range to minutes a bit disturbed his relationship to reality is true about every one around 2 icons . imagine the sometimes a whistleblower does every thing, right? he or she makes a revelation that is clearly in the public interest. the revelation is clearly

a violation of the law and then he or she is even more clearly abused by the government. it would be great if the stories always had happy endings. unfortunately they don't. i'm john kerry, uncle, welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 today we're going to tell you about a bona fide hero. david mcbride is a former british army officer and the. busy player with the australian special forces who blew the whistle on war crimes committed by australian soldiers in afghanistan. after failing to raise a response through official channels. mcbride shared the information with the australian broadcasting corporation, which then published a series of major reports based on the material, bbc broadcast in 2017, led to a major inquiry that upheld many of mcbride's allegations. despite this, however,

abc edits, journalist themselves came under threat of prosecution for their work on the story . mcbride himself was prosecuted for dissemination of official information. we'll tell you more about that in a moment, but let's go back a few years. david mcbride is a seasoned attorney. after studying for a 2nd law degree at oxford university, he joined the british military and eventually moved back to us trail. yeah. where he became a lawyer in the australian defense forces. in that role, he had 2 tours in afghanistan in 20112013. while on deployment, mcbride became critical of the terms of engagement and other regulations that soldiers were working under which he felt were endangering military personnel for the sake of political imperatives. determined elsewhere by 2014 mcbride had compiled a da ca, into profound command failings that saw examples of potential war crimes in

afghanistan overlooked. and other soldiers wrongly accused his internal complaints were suppressed and ignored. mcbride's reports also looked at other matters, including the military's handling of sexual abuse allegations. after his use of internal channels had proven ineffective, mcbride gave his report to the police and eventually he contacted journalist at abc abc as ask and files documented several incidents of australian soldiers killing on arm civilians, including children, and questioned the prevalent war culture in the special forces subsequent to mcbride's disclosures, the behavior of other coalition special forces in afghanistan also came under sustained investigation. in many ways, mcbride's reports went further than the issues identified by abc, mid prevalent rumors. that australian troops were responsible for war crimes, questionable deaths, enough dentist in had led to cause for investigations. in november 2020. the

raritan report was finally published utterly vindicating allegations by mcbride and abc judge. paul barrington found the evidence of multiple incidents involving australia and personnel that had led to $39.00 depths among his recommendations for the investigation of these incidents for possible future criminal charges. we'll talk about what happened next with our guest, david mcbride. david, thank you so much for being with us. thank you, john for having the to know. now the honors mine, i want to start with the bad news, david, following your heroic actions following the findings by the raritan inquiry that you told the truth. the australian government still insisted on prosecuting you and a court decision on november 17th found that you could indeed be prosecuted. and the documents that you needed for the government to provide you for your defense

could legally be withheld from your team. just as i did in an almost identical situation here in the united states, back in 2012, you will like to plead guilty to try to mitigate the damage. so what is next for you? when will you be sentenced, and do you have any idea what that sentence might be? i'll be say, just in march next year, 12 of bob's 2024. the judge into the act is not guarantees. the vision to that some of the goals and in tennessee is correction, or he said he get his test for that. that means if i get that and there's no guarantee. but if, if i do get that, that means i don't actually go behind the prison walls. but your, uh, you still get a sentence of 3 or 4 years. he's on your record as a prison sentence. can you just have to comply with very stringent conditions

should be live bang on parole early august so he will blame it may be probably it will be quite difficult for me to ever come to the united states. for example, when i have to fill out on my full name to be able to be given to do repeat real effects and i have to put down 3 very big ones. i, there are ways around very good. his guys above and i see got, might be on some a few blacklist. but we chose many people would say, actually, because i've got a lot of rates in the united states like you and others. but i like to have to keep these one data to i'm it does that too much? yes. it's a do read there is with said piece before, but if the data to be set a guy, there's a, there's an alarming similarities between your case and my case. so yeah, there's a lot of the issues i've used to the, the, if the universe has got

a sense of humor and i think it sometimes does. i used to sort of sit and we used to feel a little bit it's peoria. just say, oh, well, for all john curiosity or he didn't have it. if there is not a deficiency, you know, in the u. s. at least up with less than a strategy and we've got a public interest defense. frank bought a lo and behold. whether or not the, the us is controlled like a strategy and lord is by who does go to the idea of a public interest. do face does not exist in a strider anymore, a that, and uh, i know more had a public interest rates than usually, absolutely traffic. and as you said, i, i do, even though it is the id, it was a problem and i should send me a year ago that i would play guilty. there was really no choice and the stress and court, right. and the revised, even though everybody was smiling and wearing waves and downs like it was done,

sort of all the british to read it couldn't be there was very little difference between um the security code, what they do 5, do me a street based in district of virginia or wherever was yes, where it was really just the style is charge. all i, we understand is that normally was there no public interest to face, and the judge said it doesn't matter what it is. it doesn't matter whether it's the chief or the defense for stealing secrets to john up or taking bribes or pitiful reading within just seeing your offices or kind of believes if it does the data. and that was quite shocking. but e, as, as besides, do you and your daughter on the that was it's like a built in prices for the government. even if you were trying to prove something like that was going on, not that it would help you, but we're not even gonna allow you to bring up the nice talking, know,

see what he does. and that's the key. that's the key is from the very beginning, they simply will not allow you to defend yourself. so i wanted to ask you, if you could walk us through this mess. as soon as you made your revelations as an independent inquiry began, and it found quickly that you had told the truth and that war crimes had been committed by the military. yet, here we are. with you being the only person prosecuted in this case. you said correctly a moment ago that there are disturbing parallels between your case and my case. i always hoped or i hoped over the last 13 years, that what happened to me wouldn't happen to somebody else. but you had an almost identical experience. tell us about that. yeah, no, that's wrong. um, a guy in a few years ago, something like the expression, the,

the post truth world would cause me to roll my eyes. but unfortunately, that is hard to just say that that's not an expression and it didn't matter. it never came into. it was never even conceded. it was never a fact. uh where the one on the side was true. it was an effect uh with a one of a sign made that the country was being run by criminals offering salt lake project to the end of the die my. my face as was astride, there is not a properly protected, right. because the defense department doesn't project to strike you anymore. the defense department protects the government and that's a pretty serious all like allegation. i knew which side of it. yeah, you would have thought back to the exception if in fact country is not a properly protected by the people who are meant to do your reckon they'd want to

find out whether that allegation is true. but it is very gaps. curiousity, you average, i will eat a trial of that national security number affective beside dash the securities are relevant, right? right. that's a relevant, it's a relevant where the, wherever it's almost you wouldn't solve it this way. it's irrelevant with the security services are actually doing the job or not. chris, what matters is that you didn't do your job by keeping that fact safe, you know, and they really, the way it shows you have, are due to us. it's got when they ended, i went to say the place i'm always sitting on the lower body president. once i was arrested i said look, i'm going to tell you the full story. i do not to begin with the a, you know, because i was still trying to get justice. but once i, as i could say, the version was on the way of, of new stories coming out. and people beginning to see that every sheet,

it was a rise, the, the disney land in afghanistan, it'll, of things were quite different to what we tried. i pled guilty and i said, i just, i mean i gave and i said i gave the documents a that much is true and but i was justified and the police interviewed me with her . i said i had no problems with them. but i said they asked me these questions, which i saw which sort of traffic. and i said when you gave your security clearance and you saw and off on side, right was never damaged. you would never release anything to the the, the maybe or have a right. you've clearly breaks that so that we don't have to go any further. and i was like, no, we're not going. i did my security players. it was all the provides of. it definitely did i, you know, we, we do is overarching gigi to protect the distributors national security. and if i

see some of these, which absolutely does a guides that, which is good. i actually by destroying the west side, i don't care whether it's an official policy or not. if it is something which goes against the very values that we are meant to be protecting. i'm obviously going to do something about it. and you know, it lot to, you know, you get a safety safety briefings on an airplane, and this is doctor used to do that right now. if you have to do so, the ego order still be are blank, rushing to be live that i said some of them. i think it was 3 and a lives with the the junior all it was to escape until a senior paula heading towards the mouth and then the aggression to the bad. now i remember that where the rule is used to will senior part of what to do. there are certain exceptions i never see was that they would never be any exemptions where i would have to go to the. yeah. and especially if i school on a surprise, their social security was big dumb down. and just like the old guys,

this has nothing to do with my career all this. oh no, the nice not at all. i issue and, and i could, i could attach to that. i know you were friends. i know that this certainly had nothing to do with your career. this was a, this was about violations of the law and hold that side if you will. we're speaking with famed australia national security was the blower. david mcbride about his positively task. ask experience, blowing the whistle on the australian military's war crimes in afghanistan. david, stay right there with us. we're going to take a short break, but please stay tuned. when we come back, we're going to talk about what's next for david mcbride and what he has received from the wisdom blowing community see to the. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the,

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blowers. i'm john kerry. uncle, we're speaking with australian national security whistleblower. david mcbride. good . have you been with us? david, thanks for joining. thank you john. david we, national security was of lowers, especially in the us australia and the u. k. all stick together. we're all friends . we all remain in touch. i'm proud to call you a friend. what kind of support if you received from the whistle blowing community and from the west of like n g o's, have they done anything to help make this experience a little bit more tolerable? well as the body, like in other words, as long as you know, i saw you interested in the by surprise actually. um bill boss tribunals of julia miss andre a shield buy energy levels are 2. i thought you were going to be appearing by video . right. well, i have to sneak into australia to tell you the truth. yeah. yeah. that was such

a joy and um, uh yeah, i'm surprised and i wouldn't met chelsea many of you know. and so, but yeah, that was stem was such a joy and i saw you twice and we had a bit of a love what really helped me was it when you told me about doing tell. i'm like a saw i, i think it was maybe that was on the fine, but i know what he made. she wants to because i've made you and you know, i feel like you know what you're in the right. and that really helped me because you don't necessarily, well, when you get a job, you worked in the business and you don't necessarily need accommodated secrecy. but you do need somebody to say yeah wrong. that's why i use the categories because is that once you receive it, that it does help a little bit just yeah, look, it's a nice not save of done yourself all about that. all i like to see it helps me. i

don't know whether it will do you obviously use spine analogies, but i am, well, i like to use an analogy, useful literature and end up costing us to set aside that you have the, you know, in um whether it's the load or the rings or somebody there are, there are bad forces that they haven't done expected to ever just suddenly get go to the like holes and you evade like big backs and you take them out with the storage. yeah. yeah. that's right. of the roads. there are just some bad dude. yeah. there and um, and you gotta find them and you just have to extend it is there's a few more than i expected. but uh, you know, it may say it was a lucky visit this quarter, and that's where one reason i've been very lucky. you were a bit lucky, the staging begin. not the only one that's right anymore. and there's about 6 to this industry. and that makes such a difference because the government,

i'm show they tried this with you, but they tried to have any kind of was of law whether your corporate oh god. but gets the side feed and the media puts out all he was that he was a described to he or she was a crazy person or didn't live right. and back inside that would made that tried that would make it then there's this other guy in the tax office. and there's another guy from the about the banking and there's another guy about the police and it starts to wherever a big scene where the public. but nice style 0 crazy paper roll, misguided effort. so just meeting with the maybe you don't even have to say that budget as we did with you. that's right. i think i have a particular born with you because you really that you're in the security business and what he understands, the military's less security complex, like that, another post and you, you handle yourself which we such grace as you might as have viewed um and

that inspires that made that makes me least myself due to your level of the side that the one of the, one of the important purposes is life is to surround yourself with peyton people better than yourself. that's right. and you know, at least yourself to the 11th. so i really enjoyed it. i love staying with the program. it gives me hype. it's very slick. it's very professional, and it's a good k h. a good to be thought of david, i have to say that the government success in your case was international news. i actually learned about it in the american press and it immediately became a major topic of conversation in whistleblower circles. honestly, people here people who, you know, people like, like general and radar can thomas drake and bill benny were outraged. what, what is the media reaction been in australia after the raritan findings?

it would seem to me that the media ought to be outraged. has that been the case? the way i live as a bit of a vehicle on time. and i never did the powerful voices. i tried to say, oh, well, the cases i have a, a was rarely a bad little grimes a now. um and you, your some rate was good and it just is in your case it's hard to get people to care about it that i'm a little while i see wasn't even a more or i'm so we're on top of the story. but then we're on the top and actually the truth, whether or not the best public can understand the as, as in the torch and memorize the truth is much worse than just the people at the bottom doing the wrong thing. that's really terrible. say is that people looked at tall, adeline charging, we're covering up with and that's always paid my focused and,

and so the deal was with you a bit of a role across the 1st my reputation with went down and they were like, oh, he's not really a research, he isn't minutes the come up because all was able to come out. and so i always prayed about the leadership and i done my dad show on life. a matter of fact, i probably got a bit more support because there was, there's a certain amount of to say that it was in australia to without knowing much about my ties. didn't. but she liked rate because i sort of style, you know, soul just make it to have a hard job and i shouldn't be, no, we shouldn't stick. and guess therapy is back in the strider advantage. they've sort of a subset of lady ha. and they have, i know that they do, hopefully after they die in your day, should i now know that that's not the types it was it up to 5 wasn't any kind of lady. huh. i baby know little island,

rolando and various other places. yeah, it was a go last a lot and i and i like you, you are not perfect. you know, right above all. yeah. and even the people who are on this special forces, saul just say complained about all the special forces, they will all be bleeding out for you. but they just said there was a law i'm and we cross the law. i'm eighties a problem and it's not a problem because of any namby pamby the bar i will start to become a criminal organization. if we side these are the rules, but we don't follow the rules because it doesn't stop there. and david, you and i of course, have both follow the julian assigned case very closely. we both tried to be as helpful as possible. it's hardening that after all these years, julian has finally begun attracting some attention from, from australian parliamentarians,

official australians. has there been much in the way of official support for you and for your your whistle blowing there, there have to be members of parliament to have to have a pines that you've performed really a great public service. has there been that kind of a reaction? yeah, there's the green, the green tab, and you are much more than just an environmental pot event. and i have been very good, i ended and we had a bit of a revolution of genuine reynolds shooting out politics. and then like the us, we really just have 2 bodies and they're pretty much design, right. it's an illusion to think that the direct was change ready to blow to wrench below and nothing really just. but in the last election, we had a whole lot of people who they called the tales who were sort of off grade hopkins . and, and i was at the end of the 9 and is a,

a the balance of power now, and i support. okay. good. um, well i say balance of power is i got a job, i really do it easy. but what do you think the pressure of i did a cold since you did that is on a conscious sedation at the bottom of it would be hard for them to really be in job for a long period of time. because say they do have enough people that don't have enough people to do anything, but there's enough people now to keep the so, so being even some other the consent to use the right when i now stretching the hedge, because as me can find back far away and um, some, uh, some of the sort of progressives, you know, he was really drawn around what he was trying to protect bad table. some of the conservatives the, like what he was trying to protect. so because it did nothing wrong. right, and he's not such a bad cause or the bottom line is fusion. the bottom line is we're,

we are either our, our countries are either going to be nation's governed by the rule of law or, or they're not one or the other. and if people like you that have ensured that that we will be david mcbride. thank you so much for joining us. and god speed in this awful experience may have passed quickly. the reverend doctor martin luther king told us in the mid 19 sixty's that's a more convenient verse is a long budded fence toward justice. that is true. justice sometimes takes years sometimes decades, sometimes life times. but right is right. david mcbride is on the right side of history. the next few years may be tough for him, but he will take his place in that pantheon of those who put the wellbeing of innocence above their own well being. the world is a better place because of that. thanks for joining us for another episode or for whistle blowers. i'm john kerry onto we'll see you next time.

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