in president precisely what to do. that's nothing unusual. washington's mean cutting key of what to do ever since the us sponsored might on revolution and key of 10 years ago. would you want to hear about that on the main stream media question more. this is opposite the hello and welcome to prospect bullhorn design. peter labelle here we discussed some real news us escalates to de escalate, goes to war to avoid war. in the meantime, european leaders bluster about the need to stop booting while protest mount. and i'm joined by my usual guest, george samuel in budapest. he is a pod cast, read the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals and the marrow cash. we have martin jay,

he's an award winning journalist, a gentleman, cross type rules and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want that. i always appreciated credit. start out with george in budapest as we usually do. george you a very um, interesting week rhetoric versus actions here. we're constantly given the message that the binding ministration, most of the de escalate tensions in the middle east or west asia as more and more people call it. but actions are very different. did i see just enormous escalation? but the administration says it's just the opposite that can you squared this article and if you can, you know, you deserve a nobel prize. go ahead george. well, i think i'm not going to get that nobel prize anytime said, yes, i think the united states always makes the same thing. we are desperate to avoid a war. we're absolutely desperate to avoid any kind of escalation. that is why we're launching this size. that's why we're launching bomb is a and in order to avoid a war and everything that he does, whether it's

a heat or it here, and then the lease, or whether it's a in ukraine is did to water provocation. maybe that's what it does. it make claim that it's deescalate, the may claim that it's entirely defensive, but whatever is doing it is in order to provo, i'm, if you, if you take the, uh, just a, you know, look at it from the other person. look at it, let's look at it from the perspective of iran. you know, they see a hostile state a stain that is, we have also to do the around for more than 40 years. in a openly advocates the whole withdraw about the government, the wrong id to see was a policy of containment. all the around it sets of basis all around the around in order to achieve all of those things. any claims that it's being defensive and not anything that all of the wrong does in response. of course, every country will respond to such purposes. oh, the wrong is the address. so here we, we have to do something about this. so this is how the united states bags and then

it presents itself to the world as well. we're, we're, we're innocent with what we're doing, nothing. i mean it's, it's fairly aggressive. it's, it's the same pattern all the time. and that's the law of unintended consequences because there is no real strategic goal. we can figure that out. we know mark mean we have a gen kirby the spokesperson for the national security council. he vehemently, vehemently, and he's correcting people all the time. but these, you know, the, the escalation going on in the middle east has nothing to do with god. i mean, they're, they're decoupled. they have nothing to do with each other. when the entire region is halloween at the top, it's a long saying, it is all about this. how much longer can, can the administration get away with this? is i suppose, as long as there's a pliant media, but the mean, the reality on the ground is radically different than it's being described in washington. where you said the media, me just the key here. you know, i mean,

i'm american journalist, british journalist doing well. they can to fix a new use. i mean, even when you look at the basis of these, these recent, the tax bug bite and with go back a few days or a week or so, it was reported all over the press that these, these american soldiers were killed in jordan. and they said that's not true, they want to go to it. and they were actually killed on the other side of the border in syria where the americans and the british have a so called secret base at a time. and the problem with this is how does bite and sell out to the american public? how do we, how does he say, well we, we have a legal occupation in syria, and we're trying the local tribes to, to carry on the fight against a sub a subs units. and we're also reducing a number of al qaeda people who i'm quite happy to take out cash. how do you spell out the american public a and even on the american,

even though the international law, or you don't have the right to defend yourself if you're occupying someone else's country. so there's, so there's one code in jewel and that was a lie. and look how these things escalate. the kind of thing, how these things get taken out of control. it's really interesting spending. well this time them at least how i have a perspective on how arabs think. i run this thing and i can tell you for sure. they will not interpret these attacks but blades and as a position of strength on his part, i see quite the opposite, the right as a position of weakness. and i'll tell you why. because it's a bit like the 911 attacks being inspired by enlarge and because he saw for himself in the summer of 1992, an american soldier being transferred to the streets of some of the of, of mogadishu. and being on the cover of newsweek incense and putting out tents and putting out his troops, not in somalia, but also not intervening. and dwanda been not and looked at that. and he realized that's how weak that's a valuable america is a winful in the decade late at the bottom, the embassies, and i'm the robi,

and doris alone. you remember it's the same. so the story here, the radians and the arabs will be looking at this and say you do all this for 3, penn americans. that's amazing. you know, you'll have that vulnerable. and so this, this is how they will be seen and the cools of bind to and who keeps site here. we won't piece it. we're bombing for piece. it's, there is a limit to how, how far this costs can go anywhere with literally a cigarette paper away from bite and spring a, c, and d stick uh, a logo on the side. it will show you on a little, you know, but what he's doing is that so, so to george now is they were, they were, or about $3000.00 us military personnel scattered throughout the region. at least that's official. but they're, they're being put into a sacrificial lamb. position position, i mean, maybe us cannot defend them. they can not defend them at all, particularly if there's a united, the axes, the axis of resistance. if that they working in concert. those

3000 troops are sitting ducks george, while they all sitting dogs. but of course, um then how does the united states respond? should they be attack? well, the united states then continues attacking is just a never ending cycle. and again, they, the goal s suppose is some sort of dominance that the united states wishes to impose on them, at least, which is completely unrealistic. but when you look, let's impact, goodness, consider serious. what exactly is the united states doing in syria? i mean, they get it embossed on this policy of over throwing beishir alongside by um, uh, president obama and it failed. um, why did it once i saw it out? well, i think it was like the fact that i saw both had good relations with russia that you like the fact us, i had good relations with iran, so they decided we gotta get rid of it. so that's failed. and what's the policy now?

well, the policy and i was tempted to polish the syrian people. so no having going along with the american project, and therefore to deny them the oil to deny that was our agriculture. and just to continue as before, and then a pause when inevitably is america for so we don't know how many there are, you know, set to be about 900. could probably much more than that, but nonetheless, they, they will be a come under attack. and then of course, i'm going to come under it today. you know, income because the night says, well we, we don't want to escalate, but we have to, uh, even bump some more a, so its, its continues. but of course, all the peoples in the region are particularly rob iraq sees the united states as a grass or it's just as they say, this is the united states is determined to make life as hard as possible for us to remove. i got to go back to the days of the plot is in the night, the sixties and seventies, and therefore we're, you know,

we are entitled to do everything we can to resist and therefore that, that's the reason why they have these. um, uh, let me pull proxy forces throughout the middle east because that the, that the resist over the resist a power that is as the rest of the world's the wrong. and we should point out here is that, you know, unlike with western media, saying that these are not all tightly coordinated and controlled by around these, like they may take a note of what it said it until it, um, but they weren't there. there is essentially independent actors here. you know, you know, we can add insult to injury and to be lighted. states is still helping the people of a rack even couldn't. they've been asked to leave. the have us troops out vacate the country and then the us turned around and blackmailed and say, well, you know, if you want us to leave, we'll take your, your 4 in reserve. so this is turning into a habit. i think you gentlemen have noticed here, essentially a black mailing their way to stay inside the country, which of course, to,

you know, after everything's been signed and been done for a rock by the united states and its allies. that can only get worse. the situation can only get more inflamed martin, you have that relationship of, of a black man and a victim in a still come syndrome scenario in iraq. it's only gonna get worse because what we've noticed. another thing this has been picked up a tool by the west is the more the america hits, those probably rang emissions interact, the more strengths that gives to ices. and the regular nicest is actually coming back in to rugs. and then just in the last few days, it's arranging to see the regular iraqi army divisions have been attacked by cis. so that's also a point of leverage which merican. so using, you know, your director the so you want us to leave, but you nice to leave and you're gonna have a big problem with the ice just to get on your. yeah. but we have to point us looking forward before 2003 before 2003, there was no isis inner rock and they only came as a result to be illegal,

occupation invasion occupied rapidly running out of pro time for this block. george, is it fair to say that the united states has this fighting israel's enemies in the region? right? it is just then a one part of a, a military operation to go after israel's enemies. this is what the task that the by ministration is accepted. george, i think is fair because um, there is no inappropriate of the uh, the rationale for that. um, because basically what, what is the problem that the united states have with the wrong? well, iran is a little bit, israel plated the smoke like area around in israel are at the level go ahead and the united states, you know, for every single politician in dc is constantly railing or ranting and raving about the wrong it was that what, what is it that you go to, is there a board or what's, what's your problem with their um, you'll know and they are the wrong well because it doesn't like israel and that's

good. that's the positive results then it is, well, don't charge you. i mean, it's really the end of it. exactly. i'm and we'll finish off this part with the with martin here. and we, i what's the number here? uh, 17600000000. that's what the us house speaker mike johnson was a standalone, a standalone vote for israel. okay, no, no other conditions why i r s not, not border security, just stand alone in the world sees is in the air a world sees this is that skewing the genocide going on and god. so it last for 30 seconds before we go to the break, you'll see the point now i want to make and george sort of touched on the scene a is that to israel is really the center of the problem here, as well as allies of the center problem, and when are you? george mentioned. uh, what is, what all american troops doing is here. it's often forgotten that not only of a running the comes, their legal comes to train the local tribes to fight a sudden, subs, a lines, militias, and even the right. you know,

i'll make cuz we should never forget uranium. it has a lot of installations, non 0, but the 2nd thing which is more important is the stealing oil. and this is what america does. if it doesn't get cheaper around the world, it just steals a mix it. so you have this buffer, if you, well, what it does to is it deprives well from, from the, there's plenty of oil in the world that it deprives the syrian government about whether or not people are going is going to, is what i was going across the goal to answer right gentlemen, i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new stay with our to the the

question of the nuclear love. seeing the mattress was the most schools do, if you look on the initial, do want to pull up significantly post on the deal's, getting used to put value when you do oil change, but you also as the was done, the new was

going to be systems to good, lose you what i see these the buses, the little cute little dyson says this tutorial on both of the welcome back to the prospect bullhorn design. peter the bill. to remind you, we're discussing some real news. all right, george, let me throw it to you. um, changing gears a little bit, you're in hungry, hungry was the the, the subject of, uh, you blackmail over the last uh few new cycles here. um victor owed about an finally agreed to a compromise and probably the best deal he could get. uh, 50000000000 euros will be um, allocated to ukraine. uh, some of it direct assistance. other loan guarantees which i don't think will ever be paid back. and but meanwhile, meanwhile,

in the same building in brussels, where this great historic boat of unity for ukraine, a lot of cow dung, was of a thrown at the doors and windows of that building here by farmers and farmers representing farmers all across europe. so here we have a very distress, distressed group of people, the, the, the, the, of the foundation of so many of these countries, identity, their agriculture, their farmers, their traditions, and the, you decided, know, ukraine is more important. george, it is quite remarkable. and an orb of himself said, the officer, this meeting is if everyone in brussels is talking a war that's, that's the it lists them mentality and we'll see this throughout europe. so in any in, in the u. k. well, we have the, the top uh, army person. uh so patrick,

solve this thing. we need to bring back military conscription. uh because we need to, uh, it's not ready cost and then uh, bar. i'm sure a lot of, you know, you know, um, uh, x 10 or whatever they're called or more than happy they know, jump into a military. you know, if i did, it just seems so low unless i get immigrants to do it. sorry for the internet. yeah . no, the and then you have a bar, as johnson said, yeah, yeah, yeah, we need construction, you know, corporal johnson reporting for duty that you have um a, we macro also same, you know, we, whatever we do, we kind of a lot of boot. and so when you have the general bar, is it not general, you know, defense minister bars, this story is in germany says, who are, is uh, you know, oh, you know, almost sometime within the next 5 years. now this is, this is, that's also where you're at, but somehow, well with russia is coming within the next few years where they get this fantasy from, you know, we, we, we simply don't know. i think we do know it all comes from washington. they're just

repeating what washington has to, you know, you're both europeans of georgia is kind of everything, but, you know, we have martin here, he's from the u. k. i'm hungry, a european. okay. okay. all right, good. well, i don't want to get into identity politics on cross it out to us thing we need to do. but you know, this does come from washington. i don't think anyone really has an appetite for war, particularly just after what's been going on and ukraine. but it, for me, and the most important thing is it shows its priorities and it's ideologically driven. i mean, you know, the most basic, one of the most basic things you need is food. okay. we have farmers, european farmers for the most part, are very, very efficient. they're very good at what they do and it every single turn we have a ruling class in the u. it just wants to smell these people out there backward, their retrograde, they're conservative, they're religious,

and their cows are farting all the time. okay. i mean, good, really. so you know, this is an extraordinary moment and there's just so much this. um, i think festival is a couple of points. so i wanted to make about some is we should never forget the fund moves across europe, take more than half of the into the budget every single year. and then, and they rely on that bunch of, they rely on a subsidy and they'll, they comp make ends meet, they come make a decent profit and they're starting to panic. must on to worry, concurrent to the politicians, both on a member state level and on e u level. they're also starting to panic because they've borrowed and borrowed and they're realizing that all this is catching up with them. and they haven't got the means to pull them so, so there are very few just of any this way, aust, where did you get this 50000000000 dollars for 2 years from wasn't kicking around popping up those live on the, on the land store and europe and commission, it wasn't in a volt in new york, penn central bank in frankfort. they bought it from the markets and they keep on board unless like this tool. and it is just talk, comes from

a couple of things. first of all, the media unless and loves in the washing what towns in the next 6 months, ukraine is going to have more defeats. now how do we manipulate that? how do we capitalize on that? how do we show that was last little villages and you're trying to, russian forces? well, we actually use that same footage to 6 up the story and scare people into believing this narrative of the russians are coming. now it's nonsense. we know it's nonsense, but what's it all about? it's really all about money page. it's really all about scaring people into. designed to do. we have a real problem coming on a, on a, on an international level. a boat is being threatened. and this is how we can actually distract people away from the financial crisis. is that we can actually install this idea that we need bigger armies. we need prescription of the u. k. it's hilarious. we're going back to 19 fifties. an o at is linked to actually increasing our defense budgets, and this is what this is all about. so what about increase defense spending?

i mean, somebody very happy with this to see a lot of european countries looking at this, but that's what's coming on. the horizon on a considerable increase. one thing about 5 or 10 percent, i'm talking about double. this is what europe is really preparing for. in my view, it's a, it's a, it's a skin talk to you because they are tactic. but george, you know, beat me, the 2 pillars of the promise of the e. u was a security and prosperity. well, they haven't been delivering on either for a very long time. and i think, you know, and martin just said, i can't let it go. you know, we have to defend our borders, but not against the legal immigration. it's like the it is so absurd. you know, the longer you talk about it, the more the absurdity of it all becomes evident. i'm sorry to jump in george. yeah, that is. that's exactly right, i mean, they don't do anything until to defend the boat as and that's precisely what the europeans i'm most concerned about in the country opposite country. they are extraordinarily concerned about this. are you controlled flow of mind, rose?

and this is something that the e, u leadership, kids know nothing about it. you know? so when, when you listen to who still up on the line and michelle and background shoals and the rest, what do they talk about? they talk about you crate it, they will, it will show that you've been addressing. the problem is the bureau people, the, the, it's, it's all about your brain that, that's the only thing, you know, what was the bumper line, you know, deliver so state of the union, the gold, a european follow them again, an ac with the american style and associated with the web page annually voted and who voted for her. i'm sorry, i forgot that they who, who lived as a member states here. and then when, when you, when you mention about the funds, is that as absolutely right. i mean, here, here are these people who have very, very small margins. they can barely survive and you have a policy is a leaky. you have been driven by make the door making their lives as hard as

possible, whether it's the up. so the environmental regulations, you know, oh, you must think he was pesticides, you must set aside 20 percent of your land for bio that i said the to, you know, you go to your, me and make sure that your, your cause of uh faulting. uh, you know, got cut back on your meat production. it's, it is, it is a very full stop. all the thoughts from is, and the problem is know this and video and that's why they make their feelings. well, i mean very significant lead or by off to his, you know, talking to in brussels, went outside and talk to the farm. is this idea of these, the, these are, might be believe these are people who actually have some sensible notions about what should happen in europe, but not the european leadership. and it's a, it's, but i think we'll do absolute disaster no more. and prior to that, con 5 and in brussels, i'm in georgia, i talked about it on our bar podcast fitly. this leaked article from the f t and who knows where it comes from. but you know, that being the,

that hungry would face the sanctions, essentially blackmail possibly have its voting rights denied to it. so here's this, you know, the most, the apparently, the most advanced, the democratic process that known to mankind. and they're trying to subvert democracy. while the while there's a funding, a lost foreign war going into debt and destroying their farmers. i, i guess, belief. i mean, when i read it from the system i, i could, couldn't quite believe what i was reading. you know, this, the idea that the issue is, well, 1st of all, a democratic body, it is in the toilets. if anything is empty democratic, it was brought to balance. it seems like this kind of like the mafia. you know, you know, mr. reuben, you've got kind of a nice country here. it'd be a pity, something would happen to it. yeah, yeah. i almost as though they are offering a protection racket with all the funds they pump into it and that right, it could be turned off at any moment, you know. but going back to what happens, you know, 50000000000 years. think about it as a whole lot of money. i mean,

it's over 4 years and it's over 4 years. yeah, the 12 and i've been in a year and by my estimation to buy my own research and investigations i've done, at least half of these cash or equipment military equipment is being diverted if it is military kids. if i do this and it's actually for salaries and i might use mainly for government ministry, salary is i don't know to anybody. does anybody in brussels actually think that the, the launch of that money is going to get to government salaries. you know, we know it isn't we know, and the people who go to that know is, and so what is the real story here? is it that we really believe ukraine can win the war? and it's only just a question of time. i think we've moved on from that narrative. i think that the narrative now in brussels is we need to keep this dead body alive. we need to keep it resolved. the rest of the day to them plugged in with all these choose, we have to keep. yeah, but and just, but it's just, it's not going to do that. it's not going to do that. and i'm sorry, but george is a money laundering operation. this is, you know, and you, and i discussed this and argued about this for ever since this art of this,

the special military operation. but i think we both are, all 3 of us are in agreements. this may be the use last chance that will give them a longer uh, a chunk of change. okay. and you know, it pays off the leads in, in ukraine and then meet with us. there's some arms that are purchased from europe, primarily america. and you know, all the other serve it. yeah, n g o stuff. i mean, this is just an on the bus. you know, i'm saying it may be, it will be the last one. we don't know, but george is of the opinion and that he can been may or a lot they they're never going to give up on this project. go ahead, george. no, i really don't. i think that they all did tell them and to keep this uh well going um for as long as i can. but you know, to weaken russia to inflict some kind of a strategic defeat on russia and to keep in within united states. and so we have, you ever go out to your, up, you have this leadership that has no, all the pieces because if any legitimacy all the, then uh, continuing this,

a scam on the right above russia. we, we, we have to do it because with the fulton is a threat to us. so where legally used to be, oh, we gotta do all this way. ukraine now is we have to do it because we, on that's on the chopping block. you know, where, you know, it's got a big appetite and he's going to have it all up. okay, but we, i think we can end on this notes here. is that i, i think we, we are all in agreement and our viewers that the european leadership should be more fearful of pitch forks then of russian tanks, at least at this point that are, as i want to thank my guess in merrill cash and in budapest, and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are the see you next time. remember? prospect rules the

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