[000:00:00;00] the, the, the jury on all the un security council. anything russ is an way accuses the you are so i'm in sylar is of violating international law under the s like in syria, iraq and the we do not have at this time uh, any confirmation of any civilian casualties that targets we hit were absolutely valid targets well, i think that in claims that escalating some serious do not through is also in the in facilities or a claim, but conflict with the reality of families and loved ones have been slay. and i'm

asking it's so hard to describe. i was near them when it happened. i saw it with my own eyes, how my family members died. i wish i could forget it all. and on rested in violent spit onto the street to settle for a 2nd day in a row as a country facing the principal glasses of the present. because the legs, those are the headlines. it's how i'm legs and clue in crisis, doing option. what times young guy underground as he discusses have a world bank, and i am if can often do more harm than good and will be back to the top of the out the i'm action or time. see, welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world, from the u. a. it's been 24 hours since the latin american nation of el salvador in

from us with the i do. he wasn't that squads and more recently bits going hell did slay just general election. i mean, it's a 2 year state of emergency, but in another country, 2000 kilometers south. also the subject of us interference is to be making headlines in recent weeks. not anymore for the dealing made with the c i a to transfer wiki leaks found a julie and assange torture in london. the 1st state of emergency is low in order collapses. now, one of the biggest different countries to the i m f. equitable reliance on you and food aid is expressed support for genocide and gaza and he's transferring weapons to zalinski and ukraine by the usa. joining me now from equity was capital key to always someone who was a front runner to be president of the south american country. payments for helping charles dunaway and write about human evolution to address arouse was 2023 ecuadorian vice presidential candidate, and the 2021 presidential candidate. he was minister of knowledge and human talent in the government have now exiled former president of equitable rafael korea. he's also the form of director of the central bank of ecuador and current senior research fellow at the washington dc basting tank,

the center for economic and policy research. thank you so much, dr. r. as for coming on the show. so you, you got the see a base thanks to present moreno than last. so be due to the presidency. and now they've been on a business been present about why the massive increase in crime in ecuador making headlines all around the world. the ca, of course, has a history of drug dealing in that hemisphere infamous for what oliver north and so, and right. so this is a fight among, uh, cartels. uh, some that has, you know, loose and harder link said to the mexican cartels, a bn of a needs mafia. and of course, the intelligence networks that tried to control those. but uh, we could uh, explain the violence that we haven't able to do to basically i am a 1st 30. that meant shutting down schools. the government shut down the security ministry, the justice ministry,

and of course gave the keys to the people that were in jail and of the prison system. and so then the big criminal gains took over the prison system and started creating basically what became the headquarters of the criminal, organized a groups. we also had the, the bounce will really happened during the last whole government because his campaign was funded by and not echo link the games that where that then blackmailed him into giving them access to the administrative to the police to a judicial system. and of course the, then we had basically take over from within the state by these organized client groups. so this is, these are all the consequences that we're living in now and in that quarter. and in of course you have a strong state is required to overcome this, and of course is from the state that is in direct contradiction to the i. m f was 30 policies. yeah, we would love to have a last, so ex president on the denies. all those judges is, as you know,

despite all the papers that have come to life is not good ad. but is it you give a sovereignty a way to washington and even the i'm f doesn't help you out in return for giving away your sovereignty, getting the base, doing all the things washington once. no, let up in the stairs. he. yeah, definitely. i mean, the advances of package, right? we have to remember that the 1st day a master agreement was a concedes as a bailout in exchange for turning assange to the united states. us in the british and the number just territory in the us and the korean embassy over there in london . and then uh, well now now there was an agreement that became a law approved by the us senate last year that called the usaa quarter strategic partnership act that basically sets up a plan for us to influence inadequate. or that even involves the chairs the galapagos islands, where the us plans to have another base,

not just the ca or intelligence base, but outright military position. now, darwin would be turning in his grave about that i think i remember discussing with julian. massage in your embassy in uh, in london about the pressure on korea who use of the central bank governor. because uh, the washington consensus meant that it would be good for the ecuadorian people. if they sacrifice julian is on just life, it turns out they sacrifice really designed just life. well, there's a february cool case coming up and still the people of equity will live in poverty . 25 percent involving the world food program, giving a to your people. yeah, and it is increasing and in fact the poverty rates, because uh now they are starting to pauses are going to continue on the under the government. they may have had just requested that the increase and the value added tax which liked the sales tax. and then in, right,

and the increase in the gasoline prices. so the 30 most keep on going. the people are going to keep on suffering in the midst of violence and industries. so there is, uh, not enough uh, funding a to invest in education, getting back uh kids to school. and of course if that doesn't get fixed, uh, they will get co opted by their criminal gains. and i do want to get onto your solutions for the inventory and people and people in the global south of course. but in the bowers now said he willing to accept the outcome of venezuela or elections, just echoing the state department. and now the issue that's really of global focus, especially where i'm speaking to you from in the me least plausible genocide, according to the will go by u. k. u. s. you, um, does rel against guys the full support from the bo did that to surprise you or is that direct orders from washington? the board has previously particularly expressed a huge support for genocide as a,

in the middle east to receive the day. is there any government during his campaign? he said so explicitly, as she said she already had agreements with is riley government while she was a candidate. so we think she's being very reciprocal. and in that matter, the ar party, the citizens revolution parties, and proposed in parliament a resolution condemning the genocidal acts of israel and, and by this i mean guys and unfortunately the eh, number as members of the she's party, they did not support this resolution and a wasn't passed unfortunately and. and so you have this situation as regards the middle east, you got this amount of debt. millions in ecuador, lying on world food program aid. and now the vice president to president number

veronica bed says israel wants to recruit 25000 ecuadorian presumably to so of what doing the conscription in israel killing palestinians. i'm not sure. i mean, equitable would become a co conspirator, perhaps in genocides, as for any world court ruling, as i think of that statement by the v p cross of several lines to the point that very recently the foreign ministry of headquarters issued a statement saying that those declaration shouldn't be taken into account and that the negotiations between that quarter and israel are being done at the highest level and that the v b was also the ambassador of, according to these rules, should basically shut her mouth. so we don't know yet whether they going to going to do it. um, we moved not then it would violate our constitution. yeah. but of course the united states could uh try and try and force the issue. yeah, you mean, before we think of pause room uh,

let alone equity to his position on the war in europe, the world will bank. it is not slamming equity to as economy as much as you'd expect with you, which is normal when a country does what the i may have tells it to do. it knows more than a $1000000000.00 your backings on the goal. s the ours. as a method, out of this situation with so many global side countries in, in africa, in southeast asia find themselves what is in this, the this, there is a special drawing, right? it's a type of a global money issued by this the art department at the i am as unlike them as loans which come with conditionality with strings attached with geo political conditions as well as the as the ours are created out of thin air and distribution to every country in the world, that's an am f member, and it has no strings attached. it's not depth and can be used in any way that a southern country can decide. these were actually created in the late sixty's and they've been basically forgotten for

a long time. so now we want to revive them and use them for development purposes to invest to. and then the needs of people that need to overcome hunger and poverty that are many, many people suffering still around the world. yeah. but presumably with the geo political control of the i m. f based in washington where you work when your other half is on as a, as a fellow at that institute. so they, they're probably not going to do that. are they? and that's why lots of countries actually are looking towards the brakes bank and, and the shaking i cooperation organization, i'm actually come to think of it. you have to admit present nebo, as a, a free trade agreement with china must be ringing some alarm bells in washington. in the state department, but actually may be good for the ecuadorian people. yeah, this is a, this is an issue that uh, has been off on the table. and from what we hear, the,

the us department of state allowed ab border to sign and f, t a with, with china as part of their, you know, generous concessions and to the degree of heart of sovereignty. and so will be a, a pending a decision, the parliament hasn't get approved that, that are not enough void for its approval. and, but definitely it would, it would imply a geo political move from export. right. and with that respect then we'll see if uh, if it's allowed on the other hand, you the, the, as the ours to do not have sort of a mess control over that. but they do require that us to support that because of the seats of power. the us has at the m f, so yeah it's, it's difficult to get those approved, but it already happened to in the midst of the pen demik and also in the crisis in 2008, 2009. so we'll keep on pushing that agenda as well, and your party will be supporting the jet free trade to get with, with china. we have a asked for re negotiations. we think the sectors that it will be strongly affected if the,

if the treaty is passed as it was negotiated by law. so. so we think we still have a bit of time to fix some of the issues. and then perhaps as a part of it, but it's a, it's a different the initial that requires a lot of, uh, you know, detailed analysis. well, if i quit or didn't really make much out of its queen pro, quote, with the torturing julie and the sun shift. exactly. what about it's transfers now that is it being an ounce of weapons from ecuador to the united states, to then be pushed to ukraine. to help zalinski these forces, some of them linked in neo nazis, kill russians in ukraine. that is a absolutely questionable we reject that type of move. we do not need to be involved in any conflict around the world. the airport has always been to a country that stays away from, from trouble, especially in other continents. unfortunately now,

and the law has been pressured by the united states to do this. so basically swap in, in weapons where equity or transfers the russian weapons to, to ukraine in violation of agreements with russia. and then exchange of the, okay, refrain were transfer weapons to airport. now these are not us transferred weapons . these are weapons that ukraine received from the us, but then you drain would give to direct or that's why in an interview that laura richardson, the head of the south, south. com, which is the part of the us military that is in charge of latin america basically. and doesn't want to answer questions about this weapon swapped. she's just being there as a, they had this outcome, dr. andrew's or as i'll stop, you bet. more from the form ecuadorian presidential candidate administering the grad governments after this break

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the welcome back to going underground. i'm sure it would fall back enjoying presidential candidates, administered knowledge and human talents under the grad government. doctor andre's arouse, we were just talking about the, the fact that the equity was going to send weapons to the usa, aim that to western europe to kill russians. bizarrely. laura richardson from southcom was the the other day. these weapons that the equity will be transport, or you said they were russian to make a make 70 and helicopters, some sort of sam systems, a surface where miss, how systems just explained whether the ecuadorian people who became a consultant in the 1st place and how the united states thinks this is a great idea of maybe bypassing the fact that the republicans in washington clearly not funding before on russia 3 ukraine. this is exactly what's happening. it's a, it's a way to bypass us congressional support. it's also

a way to bypass ecuadorian parliamentary decisions and the people are headquarters . well, like i said, the ecuadorian people did not want to be involved in any war eh, you know, around the world around the globe. this is not our issue. and unfortunately now that due to this us pressure there involving us, the russian uh, ambassador sharon, in detroit has already said that this would be considered a hostile act. and we are very worried because russia is a, is a huge trade partner for, for airport, or many of our bananas roses and, and shrimp, and fish, and up in, in the russia and the russian federation. so the, we're worried that this may have implications for our economy and you know, the state where we are now very vulnerable due to the violence that we're suffering . you know, i think president nibble believes that there are huge incentives, perhaps lessening of indebtedness to be i may have, who knows,

given that i understand that his family, it's been on a business, has links to russia. yeah. mean his grandfather is his father made a lot of money selling bananas, importing efforts. elijah is from russia for decades. and he himself has travelled the quite frequently to a drug show, which is a time as a businessman and also as a parliamentarian. so it is very surprising that has been a, you know, pushed around by the us to have a diversified economic policy and into a political, the orientation. so we're very worried that he's been pushed in that direction. but then if you read the usaa editor as a teacher asked that was a pass to by the us senate last year. you read the recent treaty of the statute of forces that basically give a total leeway to us the military troops and their contractors to enter equity or to occupy the country in any direction in any you know, in any way as they like,

giving them full use of the ecuadorian, right? it radio electric spectrum, which basically means freedom to spite use the telecommunications of what are for their purposes for free and many other immunities and privileges that troops and their contractors will have in that quarter. it's extremely worst. and that's something that we cove there remains a bit of sovereignty in the, in the and noble as the sole. and that she does not approve this treaty that has been, unfortunately, already passed by the constitutional quarter by quarter, usually live in britain to see those already f bases. and we know what to snowden told us about how the 5 eyes are bugging us over there. so if, if, if we, i could do it hasn't got much in return for it's a case with us on just remind us, because you are the central bank,

maybe you're thinking this is going to be bad for and career door a not morally, but financially this a need to protect international john lives and whistle blowing and, and the right to expose the war crimes of washington in iraq and elsewhere. just remind us about that deal of lorraine knows what, what actually happened. well, the, it was the lose lose deal, right? because a, in theory with the new liberals think that having an agreement with the i m f is good because you may get a loan from the math. but really that alone comes with strings attached that implies basically destroying your government or state, your social services, your, your welfare institutions, education and health systems. so it was a lose lose single session when more than or did that. we all knew that i wrote about that and i even weren't that such a deep posterity package. pro passed by the m f. and nick were starting in 2018. it

could not go through without social violence because you can't, you know, shut down children's pools teenagers schools and then not expect a push back from society in general. and of course, uh there aren't consequences too. but that came off to the assigned deal. because i mean, i mean, i'm talking about the size because it is last deal in appeal in london in the high court in february 2020th 21st. yeah. it happened immediately after your no headboard or turned into a sanction was more than a week. we'd like to think that you know, people in the world don't, don't play mcwhorter as a country, but the government, the government that was at the time which was lending within a trader that now was even pushed away from the united states and is now living in the index island by the way, it also has, uh, you know, been been accused of, of corruption and it has been found partially guilty of that as well. and so, yeah, we, we blame what in,

we blamed the national government and the m. f was during the policies for. ready that's happening, it was not a good deal to turn in essentially, if we expected, you know, some generous financial incentives or our money from, from the us or the i am if it was definitely a not, not a good deal. and we got the, the worst of both parts. i mean, what does he think he's doing, given the venezuela of the country, with the largest known reserves of energy in the world, oil resources. he's not going to accept president the doors, the incumbent re election if he's elected to the venezuela elections this year. yeah, that makes no sense. i mean, the loved america in the whole world basically has shifted away from recognizing why though, and find some presidents in the, in the case of, in this way law into being realistic about working with the current, my daughter, a government, i think that's what we have to do it's logical, it's obvious we,

we have to seek of ways of cooperation within our region. and this is also why action we had actually a good economic situation under the correct government. even though we misbehaved with regards to assigns right in the, in the us terms because we had a diversified economic relationship because we had, yes, of course we had relations with it. we're going on the pressures with the us. well, we also had a trade infrastructure deals loans, the exports inputs from the breaks countries from the south american union. we wanted to build the sovereignty and south america with one that sort of the, with the bank of the south. so that we could reduce degrees of independence in latin america and that's what made us more solver and be more economically pressed for prosper as during the graves. i know president luna who's been on this show his now president the again i should take present career has also been on this job. even watch a rumble channel,

but the audience in is new us back to president. have you heard me? lays it. he's withdrawing from entry into bricks. is there other signs of that pro washington tied re emerging a game in your continent? weirdly, just the head of a trump presidency, babs, or yeah, i hope it's an isolated the case. i think it's uh and you know, completely useless to having left the brakes. i mean, there was only a space to win. right. i mean, join, the embrace was only hiding 2 possibilities of the people of argentina. but uh, i guess uh, may have was a from dimension list and inductor light and then the aspect and didn't want to upset the, the united states. now we see that i am f applauding. i mean these measures and the sacrifice of the origin, junior people. and we are actually getting ready to receive an influx of ours in 10

years. i will probably have to leave the country in the next couple of months and under our standards, he now you favor digital currencies, which is quite controversial in nato nations where it's seen as pro surveillance. but you believe that the solver and central bank issued currency, so does the, the u. a where i'm so we can view from where they've just done the for us transaction with the china are actually in terms of digital currency would return some kind of sovereignty away. from the so called the private banking tokenize to currencies bank song. and i like that if you're a president or uh, in ecuador, in the next few years, who knows or your allies of a private banks. yeah. well, unfortunately in echo or private banking system is a completely a, an old school. it is not in favor of innovation it as an inc, as a huge incumbent. and it has a huge monopoly power. and that's we have recently seen the even had

a president banker when last, so was there. and what we need is a system that is offering, that is of course, the privacy it enabled that can replicate physical caution, its properties. and that does not allow for surveillance, and that doesn't allow for economic rebirth for the possibility of having this money. that is the link from the powers of the private banking system. now in equity or this is important, i put a central bank is not privately owned. it is not a constitutionally independent, it is part of the executive branch, and that is why it has more democratic accountability to which people that is not something that the rest of the central banks usually have around the world. and that is why in our model, the central bank, digital currency, it was more appropriate for our development needs because it was linked to development and not to surveillance or to basic the private,

a banking problem. so different to the feds idea of any digital dollar, there was a snap election of go to the elected president. uh the bo, if this kind of violence, this kind of economic collapse continues in your country. could we see another snap election of some kind? could raphael career return? unfortunately no, and the short term that's not protection is, is not possible because we have to complete that period. the last so less than finished and but there will be an election next year, a year from now in february of 2025. and of course we intend for a quarter to add to be our candidate will not contesting the election next year. well, we have a parent to retirement and they put over it has to be a man and a woman, whether it be the presidential or vice presidential candidate. and the orientation is to have on file around the tickets and i will not be able to participate. so, and, but of course,

career as it is now the forbidden to participate in the end of february and political system in former times. unless we have much additional decisions that we hope arriving promptly, especially from the united nations. the human rights commission from the inter american part of human rights and restore a good as capacity to to be a candidates. and just finally, the bose only being in power for a few months as he finished. so i think uh, i think the will have the support of the, the, the us. so the no armed forces and most of the media and in his re election bid very, he will try to, to run it again in february of 2025. and so it will be a tough selection because now he, uh, he is a lovely chevy as extreme as a, as last. so she's actually printing up some of lots of mistakes. and that will

probably give him a certain advantage in the pals. doctor hundreds are as thank you to thank you so much action. that's it for the show will be back with the brand new episode on saturday until then keep in touch my last social media if it's not sensitive in your country and has one channel going on, the ground tv on normal to accomplish new and old episodes of going undergrads, he's had

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