box weighing a $0.17. are we going to let that stay? the the jury on ongoing un security council meeting. russ, who en way into the you are a silence. i lost the violating is actually a little with the strikes in syria, iraq, and we do not have it this time uh, any confirmation of any civilian casualties. the targets we had were absolutely valid targets who didn't claims that as so i do not result video. but some of these claim that conflicts with the reality of babe's is loved ones. i've been slain and i'm not seeing the market. it's so hard to

describe. i was near them when it happened. i saw with my own eyes how my family members died. i wish i could forget it all and rested in violence that onto the fix of stuff like on the 2nd day in a row, as it was on few faces of political forces. also the president to support the legs . the headlines is how it's i got on to don't come for all the latest level news and all the back here on the top of the hour with a full run that by for now. the hello and welcome to prospect bullhorn design. peter labelle here, we discussed some real news. us escalates to de escalate, goes to war, to avoid war. in the meantime, european leaders blow still about the need to stop booby while protest mount. and

i'm joined by my usual guest, george samuel in budapest. he is a pod cast or the guy goal which can be found on youtube and locals and america. yes, we have martin jay, he's an award winning journalist, a gentleman, cross talk rules and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want that. i always appreciated credit start out with george in budapest as we usually do. george you a very interesting week, rhetoric versus actions here. we're constantly given the message that the binding ministration, most of the de escalate tensions in the middle east or west asia as more and more people call it. but actions are very different. did i see just enormous escalation? but the administration says it's just the opposite. can you squared this article and if you can, you know, you deserve a nobel prize. go ahead george. well, i think i'm not going to get that nobel prize anytime. said i, yes, i think the united states always makes the same thing. we are desperate to avoid

a war. we're absolutely desperate to avoid any kind of escalation. that is why we're launching this size. that's why we're launching bombers in order to avoid a war and everything that he does, whether it's a lease or whether it's a new crane, is did toward provocation. maybe that's what it does. it make claim that it's the escalate. he may claim that it's entirely defensive, but whatever is doing it is in order to provo, i'm if you, if you take the, uh, just to, you know, look at it from the other person. look at it. let's look at it from the perspective of iran. you know, they see a hostile state, a stain that has a cost to do the around for more than 40 years. in a openly advocates the whole withdraw about the government was very wrong in to see was a policy of containment all the around. it sets of basis all around there. um, in order to achieve all of those things, any claims that it's being defect,

say that anything that's all of the wrong does in response, of course, every country will respond to such bob as is oh the wrong is the address. so here we, we have to do something about this. so this is how the united states bags, and then it presents itself to the world as well. we're, we're, we're innocent when we're, when we're doing nothing. i mean it's, it's fairly aggressive. it's, it's the same pattern all the time. and that's the law of unintended consequences because there is no real strategic goal. always. i can figure that out. we know mark mean we have a gen kirby the spokesperson for the national security council. he vehemently bmw and atlanta is correcting people all the time. so these, you know, the, the escalation going on in the middle east has nothing to do with god. i mean, they, they're, they're decoupled. they have nothing to do with each other. when the entire region is halloween at the top, it's a long saying, it is all about this. how much longer can, can the administration get away with this?

it is, i suppose, as long as there's applying it media. but i mean, the reality on the ground is radically different than it's being described in washington. where you said a media media is the key here. you know, i mean, um, american journalist, british journalist dental, they can to fix a new use. i mean, even when you look at the basis of these, these recent, the tax bug bite and with go back a few days or a week or so, it was reported all over the press that these, these american soldiers were killed in jordan. and they said that's not true, they don't want to go to, you know, and they were actually killed on the other side of the border in syria where the americans and the british have a so called secret base at of tubs. and the problem with this is how does bite and sell out to the american public? how do we obviously say, well we, we have a legal occupation in syria, and we're trying the local tribes to, to carry on the fight against a sub, a subs to units. and we're also reducing

a number of al qaeda people who i'm quite happy to take our cash. how do you spell out the american public a and even under american, even though the international law, or you don't have the right to defend yourself. if you're occupying someone else's country, so there's, so there's one code in jewel and that was a lie. and look how these things escalate. the housing, how these things get taken out of control. it's really interesting spending will this time the middle east, how i have a perspective on how arabs think and have a radius think, and i can tell you for sure. they will not interpret these attacks but blades and as a position of strength on his part. i see quite the opposite. there was i as a position of weakness and i'll tell you why. because it's a bit like the 911 attacks being inspired by enlarge and because he saw for himself in the summer of 1992, an american soldier being transferred to the streets of some of the of, of mogadishu. and being on the cover of newsweek incense and putting out tents and putting out his troops. not any in somalia,

but also not intervening. and rolanda been not and looked at that. and he realized that's how weak that's a valuable america is a winful in a decade later, to become the embassies and i'm the roby, and doris alone. you remember it's the same. so the story here, the radiance and the arabs will be looking at this and say you do all this for $310.00 americans. that's amazing. you know, you'll have that vulnerable. and so this, this is how they will be seen and the cools of bind to and who keeps site here. we won't piece it. we're bombing for peace. it's, there is a limit to how, how far this fos can go anywhere. we're literally a cigarette paper away from bite and spring a c n d stick uh, a logo on the side of the site on the home, you know, but what he's doing is that so, so to george now is they were, they were or about 3000 us military personnel scattered throughout the region, at least that's official, but they're, they're being put into a sacrificial lamb position visit should i mean the,

the us cannot defend them. they cannot defend them at all. particularly if there is a united the axes, the axis of resistance. what is that they working in concert? those 3000 troops are sitting ducks george while they are sitting dogs. but of course, um, then how does the united states respond? should they be attacked? well, the united states then continues attacking is just a never ending cycle. um and again they, the goal s suppose is some sort of dominance that the united states we should still impose on them at least, which is completely unrealistic. but when you look, let's impact, goodness, consider serious. what exactly is the united states doing in syria? i mean they get it in bothell as pablo sick of over throwing busher alas side by um uh president obama and it failed. um, why did once i saw it out?

well, i think it, the lady like the fact that i saw both had good relations with the rush or the like . the fact us that had good relations with iran. so they decided we got to get rid of it. so that failed. what's the policy now? well, the policy and i was simply to polish the syrian people for not having going along with the american project, and therefore to deny them the oil to deny them is their um, agriculture and just to continue as before. and then of course, when inevitably is america for so we don't know how many there are, you know, set to be about $900.00, probably much more than that, but nonetheless, they, they will be a come under attack. and then of course, i'm going to come under it today. you know, income because the united states, well we, we don't want to escalate, but we have to, uh, the bottom some more a, so its, its continues. but of course, all the peoples in the region are particularly rob ross sees the united states as a grass or it just says, let's say this is a, is the united states is determined to make life as hard as possible for us to

remove. i got to go back to the days of the plot is in the night, the sixties and seventies, and therefore we're, you know, we are entitled to do everything we can to resist and therefore that, that's the reason why they have these. uh uh, let me pull proxy forces throughout the middle east because that the, that the resist over the resist a power that is as arrested in trying to was the wrong. and we should point out here is that, you know, unlike with western media, saying that these are not all tightly coordinated and controlled by around these, like they may take a note of what is a said into them. but they, what that there is essentially independent actors here. you know, you know, we can add insult to injury in the united states is still helping the people of a rack even couldn't. they've been asked to leave. the, have us troops out vacate the country. and then the us turned around and blackmailed and say, well, you know, if you want us to leave, we'll take your,

your 4 in reserves. this is turning into a habit. i think you gentlemen have noticed here, essentially black mailing their way to stay inside the country. which of course, you know, after everything's been suddenly been done for a rack by the united states and its allies, that can only get worse. the situation can only get more inflamed martin. you have that relationship of, of a black man and a victim in a still come syndrome scenario in iraq. it's only going to get worse because what we've noticed. another thing this has been picked up a tool by the west is the more the america hits those um probably rang emissions interact, the more strengths that gets to ice in the regular lysis is actually coming back into rocks. and then just in the last few days, it's arranging to see the regular iraqi army divisions have been attacked by cis. so that's also a point of leverage which to merican. so using, you know, you're the right to the so you want us to leave, but you nice leave and you're going to have

a big problem with lysis again on your yeah, but we have to point us looking forward before 2003 before 2003, there was no isis, inner rock, they only came as result to be illegal, occupation invasion, occupation, rapidly running out of pro time for this block. george, is it fair to say that the united states has this fighting israel's enemies in the region? right? it is just an, a one part of a, a military operation to go after israel's enemies. this is what the task that the bide ministration is accepted. george, i think is fair because um, there is no info feel of the uh, the rationale for yeah, because basically what, what is the problem the, the united states have with iran? well, iran is a little bit. israel plated the smoke like area around in israel are at the level go ahead and the united states, you know, for every single politician in dc is constantly railing or ranting and raving about

the wrong it was that what, what is it that you got to get there i bought it, what's, what's your problem with their um, you'll know when they are they run well because it doesn't like is road and that's good. that's the police results then it is. well, don't charge you. i mean it's really the end of it. exactly. i'm and we'll finish off this bart with uh with martin here and we uh, what's the number here? uh, 17600000000. that's what the us house speaker, mike johnson was a standalone, a standalone vote for israel. okay. no, no other conditions why i r s not, not border security, just stand alone and the world sees us in the air. a world sees this is that skewing the genocide going on and god's at last for the 30 seconds before we go to the break. you'll see the point now i want to make an george sort of touched on the scene a is that to these real is really the center, the problem here as well as allies of the central problem. and when are you? george mentioned. uh, what is, what american troops doing is here. it's often forgotten, but not on a of

a running the comes, their legal comes to train the local tribes to fight a sudden, subs, aligns militias and even the right. and i'll make cuz we should never forget geranium, it has a lot of installations, not answer. but the 2nd thing, which is more important is the bounce dealing oil. and this will america does. if it doesn't get cheap or around the world, it just use a mix it. so you have this buffer, if you, well, what it does to is it deprives well from, from the, there's plenty of oil in the world that it deprives the syrian government about ways that people are going is going to, is 5, is going across the board and so right gentlemen, have to jump in here, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new stay with our to the the

the same rock. just don't you have to shape out the application and engagement trails. when so many find themselves will support we choose to look for common ground, the the the welcome back to the prospect bullhorn design. peter a little bill. to remind you we're discussing some real news. all right, george, let me throw it to you. um, changing gears

a little bit. you're in hungry. hungry was the the, the subject of, uh, you black male over the last uh, few new cycles here. um victor owed about and finally agreed to a compromise and probably the best deal he could get. uh, 50000000000 euros will be um, allocated to ukraine. uh, some of it direct assistance. other loan guarantees which i don't think will ever be paid back. and but meanwhile, meanwhile, and the same building in brussels where this great historic boat of unity for ukraine, a lot of cow dung was of a thrown at the doors and windows of that building here by farmers and farmers representing farmers all across europe. so here we have a very distressed, distressed group of people, the, the, the, the, of the foundation of so many of these countries identity their agriculture,

their farmers, their traditions. and he, you decided, no, ukraine is more important. george, it is quite remarkable. and uh, an order by himself said after this meeting is that everyone in brussels is talking of, well that's, that's the, it, that's the mentality. and we'll see this throughout europe. so in any in, in the u. k, where we have the, the top uh, army person. uh so patrick, solve this thing. we need to bring back military conscription. uh because we need to, uh, it's not ready cost and then uh, bar. i'm sure a lot of, you know, you know, um, uh, x 10 or whatever they're called or more than happy they know, jump into a military unit. oh i, i did. it just seemed so not unless i get immigrants to do it. sorry for the internet and the other, and then you have a bar, as johnson said, yeah, yeah, yeah, we need conscription, you know, corporal johnson reporting for duty. and then you have um,

a little background also saying, you know, we, whatever we do, we time of a lot of booting. so when you have the general bar is not general, you know, defense when is the bar is the story is in germany. we says, well are, is, uh, you know, you know, almost sometime within the next 5 years. now this is, this is, it's all throughout europe. but somehow war with russia is coming within the next few years where they get this fantasy from, you know, we, we, we simply don't know. i think we do know it all comes from washington. they're just repeating what washington has of that. you know, what, you're both your opinions of georgia is kind of everything, but, you know, we have martin here, he's from the u. k. i'm hungry, a european. okay. okay. all right, good. well, i don't want to get into an identity bundle. it speaks on cross it out to us thing we need to do. um, uh, but you know, this does come from, from washington. i don't think anyone really has an appetite for war, particularly just after what's been going on and ukraine. but it, for me,

the most important thing is it shows its priorities and it's ideologically driven. i mean, you know, the most basic, one of the most basic things you need is food. okay. we have farmers, european farmers for the most part, are very, very efficient. they're very good at what they do and it every single turn we have a ruling class in the u. it just wants the stuff, these people out there, backward, their retrograde, they're conservative, they're religious, and their cows are farting all the time. okay. i mean, good, really, you know, this is an extraordinary moment. there's just so much this. um, i think festival is a couple of points. so wanted to make about sambas, we should never forget the fund moves across europe, take move in half of the into the budget every single year. and then, and they rely on the bunch of they rely on a subsidy and they'll, they comp make ends meet. they come make a decent profit and they're starting to panic. this don't have to worry concurrent

to the politicians, both on a member state level and on e u level. they're also starting to panic because they've borrowed and borrowed and they're realizing that all this is catching up with them. and they haven't got the means to pull themselves out of the road. very few journalists have any this way, aust. where did you get this 50000000000 dollar 50 been years from wasn't kicking around, popping up. those live on the, on the land store and european commission. it wasn't in a volt in new york, penn central bank in frankfort. they have bought it from the market and they keep on board unless this tool and it is just talk, comes from a couple of things. first of all, the media, unless and loves in the washing what town? the, in the next 6 months, ukraine's gonna have more defeats. now, how do we manipulate that? how do we capitalize on that? how do we show that we've, let's move edges and you're trying to, russian forces. well, we actually use that same footage to sex up the story and scare people into believing this narrative of the russians are coming. now, you know, since we know it's nonsense, but what's it all about? it's really all about money page. it's really all about scaring people into this i

to, we have a real problem coming on a, on a, on an international level. a boat is being threatened. and this is how we can actually distract people away from the financial crisis. is that we can actually install this idea that we need bigger armies. we need prescription of the u. k. is hilarious. we're going back to 19 fifties. an old that is linked to actually increasing our defense budgets and this is what is all about. so what about increase defense spending? i mean, trump will be very happy with this to see a lot of european countries looking at this, but that's what's coming on. the horizon on a considerable increase. one thing about 5 to 10 percent, i'm talking about double. this is what you're up is really preparing for. in my view. it's a, it's a, it's a skin talk to you because they are tactic. but george, you know, beat me. the 2 pillars of the promise of the e. u was a security and prosperity. well, they haven't been delivering on either for a very long time and i think, you know, and martin just said,

i can't let it go. you know, we have to defend our borders, but not against the legal immigration. it's a glass front of the it is so absurd. you know, the longer you talk about it, the more the, the absurdity of it all becomes evidence. i'm sorry to jump in george. yeah, that is. that's exactly right. i mean, they don't do anything until to defend the boat as and that's precisely what the europeans i'm most concerned about in the country. opposite country. they are extraordinary. they're really good stuff about this. are you controlled flow of mind, rose and this is something that the e u leadership cas. no, nothing about it. you know? when, when you listen to who still up on the line and michelle and background shoals and the rest, what do they talk about? they talk about you crate that they will, you know, shouldn't you be addressing the public use of your own people? the then that's the, that's, it's all about the brain that, that's the only thing you know, who's the bumper line, you know, deliver. so state of the union and the goal, the european, follow them again,

an ac with the american style and associated with the web page annually voted. and who voted for her. i'm sorry to go back a who, who lived as a member started here. and then when, when you uh, when you mentioned about the funds is that as absolutely right. i mean here, here are these people who have very, very small margins. they can barely survive and the policy is a levy. you have been driven by making the doors making their lives as hard as possible, whether it's the up. so the environmental regulations, you know, oh, you must think he was pesticides. you must set aside 20 percent of your land for bio died city or, you know, you go to your own me and make sure that your call is on. uh, file to, uh, you know, got cut back to a new me production. it's, it is, it is a very full stop. all the thoughts from is, and if i'm is know this and video and that's why they make their feelings smell. i mean, very significant lead or by off to his, you know, talking to in brussels,

went outside and talk to the farm. is this idea of these the, these are, might be believe these are people who actually have selves and civil notions about what should happen in europe, but not the european leadership. and it's a, it's, but i think we'll do absolute disaster no more. and prior to that, the con 5 and in brussels, um uh, in georgia, i talked about an hour bar podcast, spindly. there's leaked article from the f t and who knows where it comes from, but you know that the, the, the, that hungry would face the sanctions, essentially blackmail possibly have its voting rights denied to it. so here's this, you know, the most, the, apparently, the most advanced, the democratic process that known to mankind, and they're trying to subvert democracy. while the while there's a funding, a last foreign war going into debt and destroying their farmers. yeah, i, i guess, belief, i mean, when i read it, so the system i, i could, couldn't quite believe what i was reading, you know, this,

the idea that the issue is, well, 1st of all, a democratic body it is and the tool is if anything, it's empty democratic it was brought to balance. it seems like this kind of like the mafia. you know, you know mr. ebony got kind of a nice country here. we'd be a pity something would happen to it. yeah. yeah. i almost as though they're offering a protection racket with all the funds they pump into it and that right, it could be turned off at any moment, you know, but going back to what happens, you know, 50 been in years, think about it as a whole lot of money. i mean it's over 4 years and it's over 4 years. yeah. 2012 and i've been in a year and by my estimations and by my own research and investigations, i've done at least half of these cash o equipment military equipment is being diverted. if it is military kit, if i do this and it's actually for salaries and i might, is making for government ministry salaries. i know i don't know. do anybody? does anybody in brussels actually think that the, the launch of that money is going to get to government salaries? you know, we know it isn't we know, and the people who go to that know is,

and so what is the real story here? is it that we really believe ukraine can win the war and it's only just a question of time. i think we've moved on from that notices. i think that the narrative now in brussels is we need to keep this dead body alive. we need to keep it response the rest of the day to them plugged in with all these choose. we have to keep it in just but it's, it's, it's not going to do that. it's not going to do that. and i'm sorry, but georgia is a money laundering operation. this is, you know, you and i discussed this and argued about this for ever since the start of this, the special military operation. but i think we both are, all 3 of us are in agreements. this may be the use last chance that will give them a longer a chunk of change. okay? and you know, it pays off the leads in, in ukraine, and then we'll meet with those are some arms that are purchased from europe, primarily america. and you know, all the other serve it. yeah, n g o stuff. i mean, this is just an on the bus. you know, i think it may be, it will be the last one. we don't know, but george is of the opinion and that he can been may or

a lot they they're never going to give up on this project. go ahead, george. no, i really don't. i think that they all did tell him and to keep this uh, well going um for as long as i can. uh, but you know, through weekend russia to inflict some kind of a strategic defeat on russia and to keep in was in united states. and so we have, you ever go out to your, if you have this leadership that has no, all the pieces because there's any legitimacy, all the them continuing this, a scam of the rain above russia. we, we, we have to do it because with the pollutants is a threat to us. so where are we going to use a, b o we go to do all this way? ukraine, now we have to do it because we, on next, on the chopping block, you know, where, you know, it's got a big appetite and he's going to have this all up. okay, but we, i think we can end on this note here is that i, i think we, we are all in agreement and our viewers that the european leadership should be more

fearful of pitch forks than of russian tanks. at least at this point in time or, and i want to thank my guess in marrakech and in budapest. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are the see you next time. remember prospect rules the, the, the,

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