the professor for now west discusses the us empire, edits global military presence, ongoing underground. we'll see you back soon. the i'm action or town. see and welcome back to going underground broke of single around the world from the you a hold on the hills of tucker calls and allowing americans to finally hear assigned to the story view as war and russia through ukraine. meanwhile, no one is in any doubt that the plausible genocide in gaza was enabled by billions of dollars of weapons in support. given by dividing the administration with tens of thousands killed, most of them, women and children. and now native nation outlawing of money going to the main

u. n. 8 organization that educates houses and kaz for refugees across this region. the international community is waiting for a new u. s. president. could that be professor cornell west or could you help determine who ultimately gets elected in november? the lifelong peace activists scholar and freedom fica is running as an independent in the 2020 for us presidential election. you joins me now from you. thank you so much a professor west for coming back on going on the ground. it's been a long time ago daily. and now you're running for president before i get to the present president's backing of genocide in gaza for american view. as of this, what states will you be on the ballot for on the 5th of november this year? oh, shooting for all 50. i should be on a good 15 by march 30 in the summer and by november 1 we're shooting for 50 by but very much so we can really begin in an intense way until just

a week or 2 ago because it in the states, the do operate is so deeply colonized dominated by big money, make it difficult for independent candidate. so you begin the process of getting, getting access to the ballots until of february 1 in most states, and saw that that's why we already got the last and we got oregon, that the brass we have a number already, but we're on the move for good 15 by the eyes of march, and then 30 by june and then 50 by november. well, let's just go to the genocide then before more on your campaign, you know, fan of don't know. but you could stop by means the backing of genocide stop the u. s. u k, back bombing of syria, rog, him and if you a president, clearly of course trump says he would stop, it is a matter of ours. um, would you, how would you do that and what is to be in your um,

your reaction to president biden, after all you are, is a bolger of his, in a way, last time around i have always been a very, very strong forwarding to me and critical by that friday before going into fascist coalition, thinking that i'm going to speak to the issues of wealth inequality and mass incarceration to cut back on militarism. but i was wrong. and that's why i'm really convinced that he's no major alternative to the neo fascist option of trump. that by themself is not just of the neighborhood of jo side of ethnic cleansing is quarter of a part time like regime. but he also is so deeply, deeply tied to a kind of a mirage. as mirage is thinking that he's actually going to be pro labor only shows up for a few seconds and then pulls back and shuts down the railway workers in this straight. and the labor movement too often steal up for him. the same as doing the

black community brings in some black faces in i places and yes, deal reinforces policies that do in black for one working people. and so i, i do but by himself as uh, not only part of the problem, but no serious opposition to the escalating fascism in the united states. i mean, what changed it is, it does have changed since the last time i spoke to you on going underground. because uh for you, the beginning me was donald trump. now we're talking about a president. i mean, it's pretty rare that even though even international bodies like the world court can cost a verdict like possible genocide on a president. this is worse than anything trump could do. the mass, most of you know, many women. and i mean, i think we need to have american lawyers. ready with the south african lawyers and the others to bring justice to bear on the vicious judges genocidal attack. so

impressions, palestinian brothers and sisters up the shift i think that took place for me was that i was under the impression that he actually was going to do something about the issues of poverty. and even when he got powered child poverty in half the a very important executive order and congressional legislation, but it expired in child poverty rate doubled again. you see, i come out of the legacy was i'm an admissions but come depaula. but when it comes with poverty on a ball is probably more ball as homeless this i want to store true, you move is $27.00 minimum weight. i want to make sure that wall street is not just wall. again. i'm very much for workers control. i want, i want to see workers voice shaping the destiny of the nation. therefore, i'm calling from the nationalization of some of the major major monopoly in the beginning with a few boston and few on illuminated given the ecological crisis. but i want to put it on the national and civic oversight to make sure that they're not contributing

to the session with profits in calling in the course and future plan. so that is of a good, a, not just a progressive, but it's, it's a, uh, a deeply, deeply, revolutionary vision and platform of policy. and i think that's what we need because we're living in the moment of multiple catastrophes. ecological pos, possible nuclear deeply economic and political united states, but also spiritual and more now we've got escalating levels of hatred and spinning out of control. we've got an organized 3 that's on steroids. who there's some very deep moral and spiritual issues that need to be talked about in it and, and in addition to the structural and institutional one, what to, i'm sure you expected it. what are the kinds of uh, reactions, are you receiving from the pro biden establishment there once,

binding to when another time as president, despite, as i said, this international court ruling that well could mean he's a co conspirator in genocide. what it means is fascinated note by the mean 1st, 3 weeks when i bounced in june, i became the major threat to american democracy and the enable of american fashions . i said to myself, i wish i had the kind of power i would be with for work people in, in that enabling power in the mighty way, not this year, but around the world. i'm committed to those rest and all the rest of the year. it was an appetite release that agent in latin america, but all it meant was that i was calling in the questionnaire version of t. now you remember margaret? that's tina. there is no alternative. you must fit and accommodate jo's cell, become well adjusted to injustice. and those and no, no, not at all. there is an alternative in my campaigns, nothing but a moment in

a moment. this band board to keep in mind you see change of talking about and that come about when president will come about with just voting. we're talking about social move most as on the way to fundamental transformation, the economy, nation state. and of course, i want to hit the american empire in order to dismantle the empire. we don't need 800000000, it's around the world. we don't need special operations. and a 130 countries, the american empire is in the k. we need to dismantle them. part of united states has to be one nation among nations, a decent nation among other nations. i'm an anti imperialist candidate. while if we put aside your big differences with trump, who is clearly the favorite to be the president of the next president, the united states. isn't that similar to what donald trump is saying when he talks about the waste of money on nato? when he talks about the waste of american expenditure on uh was in western

europe is quite a slightly about the middle east because clearly has big donors from well is not do what we no worries them is on israel just left for the right wing been been buying and is in terms of moving to capital. do rosa lo defer. and julia is really a lead district referring to the, the, the, the, the design as lobbies at home. no trouble way. i just found that actually provides actually you could say trumpet doing the same thing is by them is as regards the ongoing one the middle of last month. oh absolutely. because he didn't start any was remember a try. i'm happy assassinated people. he killed people and he typed me a part at region. he incurs, knows in yahoo, he is the one that talked about not just shifting the capital, but making sure that israel became even more and more acceptable with the various connection with egypt in that say, in a moment word about the vicious suffering. it fell. experience under apartheid

region, so that in that sense, he doesn't have an integral, is bone in his body easy. the nice relation of this was very different. so he, with i, i do view nato as an extension of american. a. german is essentially american imperial, foreign policy, and therefore, my critique of nato come from an anti imperialist point of view. here's critique of nature. we were spending too much money, easier for you and don't deserve it. they need to secure it themselves and we will pull back, but given wait to hear about them and at the end of the world, not through the college actually. but given that is really cabinet ministers that don't about using is rarely nuclear weapons. and of course, we've never seen such tensions. the angels are new data engines that drain rusher in nature isn't the time then for a grand coalition against the bible and all that he represents. as regards a war and the military industrial complex of what it says on what kind of coalition

is talking about. so here it is to say that you have to be tied to a certain consistency it costs and see in terms of the truth and the condition is truth to allow, so to speak. so for example, on the one hand, i mean you got, you got a raw ron has their critique of bud. it's, it's, it's, at times it's very similar to mine, but i have a critique of a wrong. i'm not a supporter of mueller or deluxe. i support women live street a low, i support those who are resisting against the form of domination with in the same is true with rush. rush itself was provoked by the expansion of nato. it led toward what is going on ukraine, but i have my own critique, the russian system and putting himself in terms of structure, the domination and assignment thing of this isn't a voices and so forth. so they are the moral consistency alone. we have a political solidarity so that the coalition of that i'm top mattress, the function of re out politic. but it's also

a commitment to true commitment to just as we're ever whatever context the talk about me for the vision here, isn't there off of aspiration. i mean tucker calls and on fox news used to say all sorts of strange things about immigrants. he doesn't have an enzyme fairly bone and well, even. but it hasn't the change on people changing and becoming more. you just see it as isolationism, right wing eyes laser right when popular is a right wing father. he's got a critique of the beach. and of course i have my critique of the late, but his critique to release them, say mumbling word about mass incarceration at home. that say among them word about and type poverty program doesn't say that mumbling word about white supremacy. and he was so pro white supremacists and continues to be in a variety of different ways at home. but as an end, as a problem, this will be guess various forms to be leaks. it makes him look appear as if he critique solidify what is actually an imperial critique of empire. okay. who was

like your running for president? it isn't now the time, and would you have to try and you like and get this affordable? those people we will remember what was, what, what, what was it malcolm, michael says supported the right wing senators view on the defensive extreme is now paying advice at yeah, no, no, i have another train deleted the other. if we're going to have person to support me, i'm going to be taking my stands based on how i understand. we're not a guard variety politician in that regard. i'm not going to sacrifice my commitment to choose and justice anywhere just in order to we in any way. now that's best, not how i uh, that's not how i proceed right now. what i, what i do have for the restaurant stuff to do that. more from the 2020 for us independent presidential candidate after this break the

the welcome back to going on the garden. i'm still here with progressive going out west 2024 us independent presidential candidate. you know, professor we were talking about one about the fact that as you designate the right wing the populace to isolate she was like dr. costs and are increasingly critical of u. s. foreign policy over here in the middle east, the big the story as well as gaza is that the iran con, the who used to run focused on democratically elected leader. he made some comments about his own withdrawal being conducted at the hands of a us conspirators. and so it reminds a lot of people in eurasia, in the middle east, and africa and latin america are about the us is sponsorship for democracy. is it schools in the state department? what would you do is president,

when it comes to all these different elements of the us administer us state that acts in all parts of the global south to as they see it destroy any idea of democracy? or, you know, one of the thing you have to do as president is use the bully pulpit to educate american citizens, american citizens need to know the fundamental role of the c i a fundamental role of us material foreign policy that over through democratic region, we can talk about why them all that we've talked about iraq. we could talk about where z a we started, but dominican republic can talk barbara needed to talk about panama. we need to be, they need to see the world through the lens of so many of our brothers and sisters in the so called global. so you see, so often there's not just a willful ignorance, but there is a, a refusal to acknowledge the truth about the ways in which the united states has

been a anti democratic force around the world been pro marked it always been obsessed with profit always been obsessed with the international monetary fund in the world bank, extracting resources as well as profit, but it has never ever been pro democratic in terms of empowering the poor and worky people's in africa and latin american ages. so is it fair to guide you to a function here? so people that understand my vision, because my vision is one that looked at the world through the lands of poor and working people here and around the world. and therefore, the policy that i would promote would be contrary to the international monetary. so contrary to the world bank, i own empower poor and worky people. one just create african board was the and age and board was the 11 american boys while the which assembly partners with, with the international capital to can 10 year to subordinate and dominate their own

workers and their own for people. or, i mean, trump, again coming from a very different philosophy, your philosophy is the right word to describe, but where he's coming from at all has similar views about the, the super natural structure. the certainly as big news about the if we, i ca, i mean, i don't know is more than come with the weather mode about the f b. i who knows. he doesn't like i'm job job has been talking about using us forces to inmate mexico. that is as imperialist as they can be. we had an 1840 stage more . they cocker. mexico took 50 percent of all in mexico. i grew up in california, used to be mexico, texas used to be mexico. arizona used mexico with the us invasion of mexico and a letter that dropped now using the same language. that's 19th century inquiry language in that regard. so again, i don't see where the,

there's any similarity to myself and in trump, in that sense, even though it is different than the neo live is dropped, presents his meal. fascism is a, is an alternative to the neo liberalism of, of, of, by the flip side. of neo liberalism is what militaristic, the gaza militaristic attacks of the human militaristic, latin american past africa. at this very moment. well, neo liberalism can go with neo colonialism and military keynesian is, i mean, in fantasy as far as i understand of jumbled and his national security adviser was on this row. and it was trump who was offering a little of runs to venezuela. if uh, if, if uh, what you're going to do is to take the funding from the war machine and the war state and he has it on. that's education on housing, on free health care for ordinary americans. what are you going to do to the leads that have subjugated most of the people in the united states for so don't again,

i have to say it, you know, trump's, it organization was talking about american cottage. there's something very similar to your view about what is being done to the pool of working classes with united states over decades. but what will you do with dealing with that you're going to forgive it in a con is would be late in the black. it was, and the brown it was in a full but the blue waves the premises, very, very different land which is viewing the world. when he talks about sab, that's all but the plan, the, the decay on the plan, the impact, yes, the right about it. but i will not budge one inch when it comes to a position in critiques. well, stay on the line and steal the line for your campaign. it is a very, the general i like the low lies, whether you do get it and then that is still a line of all life and he got his own life. i felt some would say beethoven a bit of beethoven in that but but, but are you going to forgive these relates then do they it is only ever they have

to be brought to justice. be brought to justice. i'm talking about wall street really to me, how many wall street games went to jail and inside of the trading market manipulation, predatory lending and fraudulent activity is not one on the bottom right now, one went to jail. i had thousands and thousands of my friends and partners coming out of a truck that side of black side sacramento, that in other parts that went to jail. so we just don't mind just not revenge them . and you know, i don't, i don't believe in vicious talk about revenge. i just want just may again, trump, this is obsessed with resent. you don't hear a lot of talk about justice and trump. it all, you know, the pressure is a, against any president trying to bring in free healthcare given that some our financial power of that low be. why do you think his that the, they continue to have such a power has the, or even the by the ministration admits the price of co pays and all of his private health insurance in milwaukee continues. and the us taxpayer has to pay ever more

for it so it can end up in the company's profit sheets. we just don't have enough power, you know, to organize money is more powerful at the moment and organize people, which means people are not as well organized that we ought to be. but that the only thing that we end up changing in a way that i would like to change is, is, is organized people on the streets going to jail, creating challenges, civic disobedience of the, the people who don't have the people still supporting the bible version of democracy by the democrats and they cowards. what is the role of cowards in your system as well? i mean, that's a wonderful question though, but because i'd rather be eclipse in the account myself. but the role of cowards of those who are willing to defer the powers that be for some kind of money,

a status title and cowardly mess, which cuts across color cuts across gender, sexual orientation, and nation. it's a human thing, and it has to do with those who have given up on any rage. those will sell to sold as souls in relation to any vision that's changing the world. the name of poured and working people and is highly probation. oh, and this is why you baked with just the days because it is reward. that's why you see so many black faces in high places was sold as sold and want to act as they have. they are very existence is a litmus tests, a black progress, a human progress. when is crushing, poor people is crushing, working people and get in the name of iris that the ink to generate any of the bureaucratic categories that are out there that don't want to come to terms with the issues of class domination or imperial domination. don't want to come to terms with the light and predict when to port working people. yeah, jenny,

ellen was in congress on answering questions. it was all the people of color that were asking or easy obsequious questions. and it was the white republicans, whereas can put new ones. anyone could see that or is that a pro we want partly questions from anybody and every body. i'm so craddick in that sense the people still granted that low across the board. and obviously democracy is nothing without a free press. do you have a free press now in the united states and that's what we got to cali press. we've got to press the depth is not willing to raise his voice directed to actually wrestle with some of the deeper questions that have to do with the future of america. there was a bipartisanship in, in, in the us press of the militarism expansion of the military budget. no serious bouquets of wall street, no stairs could take some corporate greed and silicon valley. you get that both

democratic party, republican party, both fox news and in as nbc, and they all had trump. any a trump is more popular than ever. yeah. that's true. that's true. as a, as president. uh, would you immediately end this extradition from torture of julian? i sancha who kind of exemplifies of repress with the 1st day of the party julia. this also followed me me a bu, jamal. i would, i would like to ask chavez, she could come home if she wanted to get all of those who would be i'm had been a fairly incarcerated owing to their political views. and i'm thoroughly convinced of my dear brother do. and the son has been unduly un, unjustly treated owing to what exposing the crimes of the american empire that's

all brother julian de and is said to see that the journalistic establishment can't say a mom and word about their fellow journal. just shows the level of the 5 percent as you know, brother randy credit going others. i've been talking about this with great trojan paul and i stand with what happens to politicians in the united states who advocate for free health care housing education. they look like they're coming anywhere near power, as they say that the things like nato should be dismantled and the money should be spent not on killing machines, but on american progress, character, assassination literal assassination, marginalization. there's just a tax to misconstrue mrs. understand, but even given that intense bomb bar degree tradition to, to tell in and just to seeking steel goes on, not bread. that's the good news. that's the good news. it can never be completely

snapped out. never be thoroughly suffocated. even if they kill the body. the spirit in new body build on that spirit. that is the good news. so just to encapsulated your campaign and we'll mocks you at different that robert kennedy to donald trump, to genocide josie's gold. uh, to encapsulate what is the platform a blood full of what is was put in poor and working people at the center here and around the world at this moment in power on the sheet, democratic possibilities, and also connect them to struggle to justice. the love of beauty, those musicians and the artists play a fundamental role as we enact the kind of spiritual awakening and political renaissance need. just introduce america to the best of itself. that's martin king,

as edwards, a guest rabbi, as well as dorothy day. that's curtis mayfield. and john coltrane, professor going out west. thank you. and that's it for the show. i'll continue condolences to the surviving the killing and god's in jerusalem will be back on monday, focusing on another us 2024 presidential candidate donald trump's. we can do a full, i'm a senior official who argues in a new book, and then trump is the swamp. he declares he wants to drain until then. keep in touch by all social media, if it's not offensive your country now to a general feeling undergoing tv on normal don't come to what you and old episodes i'm going on. the grand see monday, the

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