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hello and welcome to cross type old ones. i'm peter lavelle. here we discussed some wellness is very likely the most watched interviewing history. tucker, carlson's engagement the russian president vladimir putin defied the gatekeepers and the powers that be in the west. on this edition of the program, we discussed the significance of the interview and what can be learned from it. and i'm joined by my usual guess george, send me while we in budapest, he's a pod cast or at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals and america. yes, we have martin, j e is an award winning journalist, a gentleman, cross type rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with george in budapest, george, you know, the highly anticipated, highly criticized even before the interview was done, recorded and released and then it was being criticized even more. you know, what i've talked about this previously was a very interesting interview. it had its flaws, though your thoughts, the exact could be there. i mean, it was very interesting that as far as i think,

what was interesting about it and why it bravo so much hysteria beforehand. and a lot of hysteria also is, is that we did indeed challenge the reigning narrative, the rainy interpretation of, of, of the events in ukraine. so he was telling a vast audience. so a story that's very different from the one that they already gave with the day of the day and i dropped the knife which is that the booted is a, a, a, a dictator. refresher is the imperialistic faith of who just wants to conquer everything and wants to bring it under his terrible domination is just a hippa like person um and he provided an alternative history history that we on the show of course, very familiar with, but many people on and it goes to that the slopes great cape of road, rage on the bottom of the white house of the fence,

damage and shoals bar is johnson because people said a different story. everything that brought of it that they what was very important than this, this story is going to going back to the collapse of the soviet union. all the various promises not to expand nato port is also to join nato. and the re, a, the rejection of a is off of a zone and, and then of course, bringing it up to more recent times with uminski quotes. uh and so, so i think in that sense, i think it was a, it was a very important interview of a range is continuing. i mean, it's not good to have paid for quite a while. but if you call and have people hearing these kinds of things, well, the judge, you mentioned history, let me throw it to a martin right now. there was a lot of history mentioned, this is a different view. and i think it was the 1st 23 minutes that even i was kind of in a state of shock. i know you were is that we got the entire history of russia in 23 minutes,

which was quite overwhelming. tucker carlson was obviously overwhelmed. but nonetheless, here, you know, martin, you know, we do this on a weekly basis. we convene and i have to say, maybe you'll disagree with me that there was virtually nothing vladimir putin mentioned in his interview that we didn't already know. i mean, there's some minor things and i want to talk about it, but it, but this is not a narrative as that has been hidden it's, it's not a narrative. it's never been heard before. are exactly right. yes. your bang on the money um to me there were no real revelations um, but i think um tucker costs and soldiers in america. i think there's a lot of them to there for them to think they're chasing to, to put in, put into somebody from, from, from the, from the, from the beginning. he was going to tell me that the interview. so he gave the 23 minute level. it was a history this and it was absolutely nothing started causing me to do about it. i mean, just you just gave the that's a strange frowns look of looking as though he understood everything,

but he really understood nothing. you just need to talk, you know, well i, i think also is that he is, he's never encountered someone that would dominate so much and be so forceful in his arguments to be found as a juxtaposition to other western leaders. like, and particularly on that day. i'm thinking of under by, i'm sorry about joe biden, the president go ahead mark. but to be so when you turn into like that in a different language, there's that delay and it's very difficult to hit the bank. so you know, so in that respect to you was quite fundable. but, you know, i think come, if we're talking about content, you know, he took an awfully long time, really to get around to really touching on the key points, which he believes the american public really need to know. we know who grew up north stream, you know, is the landscape the mansion negotiate a peace treaty? who is, you know, what talks if you had with the americans, if any, you know, are you ready to, to, to actually enter into a peace agreement, you know, only some points, but i think we're relevant. but i think um,

you're gonna i'm gonna stick my neck on alex alex on a limb. i saw the answer was put, pull actually, i mean when you look at it from the conventional sense of how interviews a dom um, type of costs and tends to interview people the any really likes it heroes. it doesn't, it doesn't tend to go for polemics dot interviews. he's not an international journalist, still even a journalist saying, what is his real strength of his full today, he's doing monologues on us domestic policy, which is very good at. but i still, he was out of his depth with his interview and i think code argued george, to jump in there. what do you think about that? yeah i, i think it's a, i think it's a mixed bag dental length. okay, r r. i think that the interview was, was um, not as good as it could've been. i. i wouldn't blame tucker for it. i mean tucker came to it. um, as every man, i mean, he came, there is a with a view to presenting um, tilting with the platform because

a lot the video we in america, you know, i'm in american, we have one way of seeing what's going on it or about when roster of what's going on and this will, you know, here's an opportunity, you know, address yourself to the american audience. tell them what it's all about, tell them you know, and how we're going to resolve is what, what's going to be the final outcome. and i think that some of those are, i think, didn't make the best of that opportunity. and now we can look and say, well, why should a, you know, they, you know, he has his own a generally, you know, easy doesn't care about what talk as agenda is. but nonetheless, it was the opportunity to, um, you know, to, to make his case. i think succinctly and, and the effect of the amount of that. as i said earlier, i think he made a lot of points points that we're, we're familiar with. but i think you're going to made it much, much more effectively to say that right at the beginning. so the people then know what's going on, what, what, what, where he's coming from. when you stop talking in this very links they discuss,

it weighs about the things that happened more than a 1000 years ago. you're going to lose people really need that because and then any time it took my history what, how far back and you've been to go, i mean to go back centuries millennial. how does that help us? well yeah, i would think both of you would agree with me that if you had taken 2008 or 2014, as a point of reference would have brought what probably would have been a lot more effective martin who needed this interview. you know, if you look at the food is the name or the his whole approach to tucker, he but it was almost kind of past, say with it moves almost if tucker needed this interview more than putting because i think we both, both of the, all 3 of us would agree, is that it and food name and said it is it, you know, the, the media outlets for president, my predominantly dominated by western countries and they're going to, you know, that they're not there. they're not gonna let up on their narrative. so he'll throw in his $0.02, but he's left for having a lot of folks that is going to have an a, a breakthrough martin city hall to say, i mean i, i sympathize with you if,

if you think the talking to you that more. but then again, you know, the very fact that some of these points needed making, i think that also story is a spotlight on another subject which is, is a, a huge information barrier between east and west, which is really affected. these huge issues like a claim or not israel, and i think probably puts in, thinks there is a wonder student has major advisors honestly, because you know, you commit to the number of full pallets the interview, that the 23 minute history. i mean, we can just don't do the telephone interview. if you had a decent meet advisors, they would say just, you know, post us know what you do because in most cases in, in pre internet days, that would never go ahead. so it's only because we have the internet, you know, you know, martin, i've seen, i've seen food and interviewed many, many, many times. my sites as he makes his own rules for himself. i that, that, that's his my gut feeling. okay. i mean, when he visited r t, i was when our team moved to a new location, i sat next to him for 90 minutes. um, you know,

he was gonna do whatever he was going to do. he didn't have any talking points. he didn't have any card 60 just did it the way he saw it. okay. which is interesting to george did. didn't change anything outside of western headquarter tucker carlson . um probably not is very involved to change the public opinion. i think the yeah, if you know the fact that he went into this history lesson might just change people's perceptions of they mean as the so ferocious blocks us the dictates, it was either way l bends on a on come green all his neighbors. when, when they look at him and they find that he so, so preoccupied with the history of, you know, maybe they looked up on him differently. um, but i think the, the, the, the something you know, what,

what's these boys important is that the substances of things. and then he got onto a model subsides that they, they need to come at the beginning. i was always big basically, you know, the lower it interview goes on. the boy, you're going to lose people. i mean, it's just inevitable. people get tired like, and i go off and do their own thing. so that's why it was just such a bizarre thing for him to do so to it'll go in and you go into that whole whole, george to talk to you about about things that people know. i mean, americans know very little about their own history. are you this would be completely just bizarre, everything, you know, i, i mean, even though there was things going on in the 9th century. well, i think, you know, if you look at the transcripts, which i encourage viewers to look at the transcript, i think you'll get more out of it because of what martin just said. here we have the translation. we have these a positive level of bat, but george, he said, just give me 32nd 330. so give me 30 seconds and i'll explain the latest date. and it turned to the almost do

a half an hour of martin. the most important thing about this interview is better to have that it even happened. that's the way i look at it. yeah, and i think is a very poignant points that some the event itself and the lead up to the sense and all the spend, the public relations, and all the anger and jealousy, in spite from western general, is this. it was actually a bigger event. let me ask you and have yourself, but i think what a great it will play else. this is a long time. i think an awful lot of people will see the witness thoughts and wouldn't be quite so nice as perhaps we, we think i think i think americans will notice thoughts. and i'm judge colson for what he did to him easily what, what was noticed. anyway. again, it's really interesting, we have these kind of like personal information spears as a pull that i follow. and i, i'm interested in their analysis. they were all over this. i mean they really picked it apart. okay. but and, but then others, you know, they, i think george, i told you the, tell the telegraph, their 1st article was, you know, putting

a warren's musket or something like that to be something very esoteric. you know, that's what they took from it. but it was people that are interested in this story, were all over it and, and, and forensically took it apart, which i think was really good. keep going mark. well yeah, i think so, but i mean, going back to the point, it was interesting that he needed to do a video before high explaining to americans why he needs to interview. i think for me that ready jumped out. that was the thing i'll remember and, well he did do it 18 does. he did explain nothing, you know, without being some problem. he basically said, very politely, you're pretty excellent. you know, nothing about this ukraine situation until, you know, even less about russia and guess what? on jim lis, now it's just not the same. okay. it's not going to jump in here. we're going to talk about those finer points in the 2nd half of the program, we're gonna go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the tucker carlson interview with ladder me approved and stay with our to

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the the welcome back to press ok. bullhorn john peter la belcher. manual discussing the tucker carlson interview with ladder. we have food in george, let's get into some of the finer points here. nord stream. um the, the cool in 2014 and a possible fos, big hostage exchange your pit. you take whatever you want. go ahead. well, the good stuff about the, the hostage exchange and that is, was, was very interesting because the ones, uh, the, the topic awesome. very, very boldly raise the issue of the game since he had kind of ended the interview and then extended it, did you notice? yeah, exactly, no i absolutely. so he brought this up. um, but you know,

i filled up and the lady said it'll be quite friendly. you know, he didn't know how booting would respond to the subject, but thought it was a ticket on board was good. yes. about it, i said, you know, that right where you can just simply say he's a john, this was a lot more to it than that. um, but then he is and said, yeah, well, we're working on it. and we can resolve this and, and, and, and suggest that the doctor let. uh, it's quite likely that he will be resolved and he will be going home. and essentially also spelled out what would be the conditions which and he talked about this um, this person in germany who was killed someone but, but who does? yeah. so yeah, i tell them, but because he's a, he's a patriot and this personally, the mother was a, was a soft, a complete scumbag, you know, barely a human being. but those are the terms of the exchange. and once they spell this

out, then you know, ultimately, you know, the us government knows, okay, do you want him back sometime? no, it was put in the, you know, in the next decade these, these are the times you have to fulfill that, that were, which it was which was interesting about that is that the russian position on these delicate issues is to say nothing. and the head of state actually did say something which was i was really quite surprised. it took a lot of courage, i think also for particular because he knew he was being a task for doing the interview. so it was a good incumbent upon him to asked that question which he should have. and i'm glad he did martin, who blew up the north stream to boston. you did the 1000s of it himself all his own . yeah. i don't know what was quite a funny room. the light lights a moment. but do you know, a lot of americans going to think about that comment and little americans are going to actually, for the 1st time consider, you know,

some of these are put on the internet. so the claims by um see most for example, and it for me, the take way of the interview is going to generate a little debates, a low on social media, low and mainstream media. and it's gonna be honda for a lot of these causes on german stimulus in america to keep pumping out a little this book b. s. when you know, we've got this relatively serious update site is interviewed with the world leader in a quite a while. remember, journalist, it's going to social media or said, you know, well, you know, talk a says the know, with some journals have gone into these with uh, purchasing uh, a new owner. clyde. well, we will, replied we will apply to do them. but the, you know, we haven't got to think back from him in a, i think there's a key message to which is approved and really doesn't. right. most of these weston journalists, you know, he, he, and the going back to what, what type of side of the beginning. you know, he was basically saying we're doing this interview because our until this to america, a so piss pool and so partisan is that corrupt that we need to do that and i think that is an important take away from me. stuff. oh, i mean, okay, what i mean is i saw them making kelly interview that was

a total waste of time. oh i, i, i won't get that. i don't know, 40 minutes back into my life. i mean, and the, and i have, i think pollutants probably felt the same way. these are sense was here. what they, what he encounters are not journalists but at active this and whatnot, ideologically dropping it. that's okay. then another issue george, which is very important. i'm glad that a tucker oppressed is a negotiated into the conflict a new credit and your thoughts was the interest that you because that was really the, the, was that i was bossing i was gonna try to go through or what, what's the spelling out? he really spelled out very little i, i couldn't really figure out what he was saying, but except the tucker was pressing him to say, well, why don't you sort of get on the phone to the white house? i'm gonna see if you can work something out with them with by then. and then and buddhism, why should i do that was over because by who is the one who's financing this war? and the so yeah, me and may,

may be. but the problem is that is that zalinski has 0 past this decree. it is the law that brought prohibiting him from negotiating. so we can't have negotiations on the lease of the law has changed. and i'm assuming on this book pulled this up. i'm assuming he would pass this low without the, the a, the go and give them the go ahead from the white house. so essentially, the 1st of all has to get rid of this little then we can negotiate. so it seems as if he was saying that the goal she ation is going to be, have to be with ukraine, ukraine or roughly gonna have to negotiate. he said, well, we're open to it, but you have to make that 1st step. you have to get, get rid of this law. well, it doesn't, doesn't help us very much us to, but he didn't really spell out what would be, what, how do you envisage this final outcome? well, i, i, he did, but he did it. the name of pollutants reaction was not straightforward,

but he did. he told us his thinking now go to martin right now in was the assemble process um, uh, in the early stage of the conflict that i and i, i think that, that, that's a sore point with the russian side. say, i mean, we already went there. we are ready showed you what we were interested in, what we wanted, and your side to the ill. a service is a boris johnson, which of course or something reacted to this interview in the most bizarre way. i don't want to waste time on it, but this guy is not a serious guy with, you know, martin, but the russian say, we've already done this. okay. you rejected it. so and now it's your turn. okay. and with every passing day, the terms get worse and worse for ukraine, and that's on the west market. like it was a key message. and i think he showed it across the palace for a lot of american journalists to remind them because they're not writing this. you know, a big part of this media war is a mission, and we don't read that in wisdom copy that there was a date on the table and burst johnson flow. and so, you know, he echoed all of that and repeat to that, i think that was very relevant to bring,

bring anybody out today, but you also yeah, you know who, who benefits from this interview? i would, since we've been recording, i've been thinking about, uh, i think come if you wanted to really damage to a buttons election campaign, you know, and you know, let them in person. all you really take need to do is just to agrees to do a topic costing interview and sound very lucid and clever. and i'll take that for 2 hours talking about history, you know, have all these facts in front of you with no to cause. i'm a scripted interview, that's enough in a week with a us president can barely put together a coherent sentence in english, confuses and my new mac chrome with us, with a, with the material and, and she wants with the code. and then the confusion, cc, an agent with the president of mexico and the other. remember when his son died, when one was and then, and then it gets clear from apparently the department just as possible. prob,

on the basis that we can investigate him, because he's to say no in the week, you know, that kind of interview has quite an impact because an awful lot of americans who don't really know coach and have him full of russian police still gonna say cheapest creepiness that go shop. you know, we might not agree with the politics. we might not agree with. assume is right, right, the record. but he's a leader and we have one of the leaders in america for decades. i mean, in person, we have to go back to the company in love with such as so d, o, d is more full. we had last time we had a lead, somebody really took control or took responsibility. so in terms of affecting the job i and i think uh that on his own was quite an extra set and miss all into the button. come at no charge. one of the, you know, when they talked about the, the, the process and assemble and adel, 3 of us talked about about that in real time when it was happening. and i have to, in my easily say that i was optimistic, maybe some of the good come about. and then we had it all dashed. but george, it's been that was like 18 months ago. and it's, you know,

and people in western meters like, not only did that, you know, that, that not only didn't happened, it is, this is a complete fix, at least it's kind of like the hunter binding laptop. you know, i mean it took them so long to oh yeah, actually is real, you know, in the same thing as we're experiencing again. that's one of the frustrations i have george. right. that's exactly right. and it's very interesting that we've talked about the stumble for us as one of those boots adults about just like it talks about mens. but you know, if you go through western media coverage, they don't, they never, never bring that up. they never talk about it a symbol, they don't talk about mens. they just have this idea. well, you know, booked in the 2021 who wrote this essay about the russians and ukrainians, being one people that set out his imperial agenda. but he's going to conquer all of ukraine and incorporated into russia, that that's how they explain it. so they don't actually tell us what they base what

happened to stumble, how close they came to an agreement. and what a catastrophe it was that bars. johnson was the, i think it goes with the, the united states brought bread, the other destroyed, and then so you know, i'm how many, how many hundreds of thousands of, of died since then. and then you get to the next step, which is where i will, how do we end this? how do we resolve this? given that there was that there was at least an agreement on the table by the land you know, made it and go back to latham and it's not realistic, but let's at least see if i could both the model. oh no, no, no, no we do. we just gotta keep this little going clinic, so good as it gets. and then it's all the fault of the republicans. it's all filled up from the usual characters, because then not willing to send even more arms to ukraine to keep this will going to, to some, but some mystical end of a negotiated also because where we put ourselves into

a strong position at the negotiating very well that's, that's this of the fantasy works, but i think in the book and that challenge, that is like, what the hell are you doing? or do you have enough problems of your own? you know, why, why, why is you wasting everyone's 50? what's the result is on this? well again, but looking at the demeanor in here, a martin i, i would wager they put and never would have done this interview with him. didn't feel like he wasn't a very strong winning position. okay. almost to the point of, you know, being very, very confident, but essentially messages you guys started this, this is what you wanted to do. we gave you and how we gave you an offer app is way like to say, and he didn't want to take it. so, you know, you've made your bed sleeping it, but that's the kind of tell him that i got from him. and what was the west do now they will make it 10 times worse themselves. you know, they the old other one in hold on dig. already european union is talking about

a sanctioning talk a call. some of i'm trying to find the interview. and of course, when you do that you know, a 100 fold more people. one of the want to read it, want to watch it. and people in america talking about trying to so the total of some sort of band on top of costs and coming back. you know, all of this is fantastic for him and his website and well, you know where you are out there out of time here. but gentlemen, i looked at the a montage of all of the group of journal a so called, you know, and access people like, you know, all of their criticism. when i looked at all of those spaces, tucker carlson, got more views for that interview than all of these networks in and platforms get in total. okay, that's the impact your gentleman. that's all the time we have want to take my guess in budapest and mirror cache. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us. here are the scenic some remember prospect rules

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