con has been largely supported by many and pockets stand or been mass protests in the streets. they continue to say that emerald contents are the leader that he is the one that's going to bring democracy. and again, this is a fight for the sovereignty of the country. according to them, they don't want to western influence, they don't want the influence of the i am up which iran con, largely attacked. and he himself has said many words, let's have a listen on that. as the people of pakistan have clearly pronounced their verdict, there is a dire need for democracy in fairness and pakistan's elections. i warn against the misadventure of forming a government with stolen votes. such daylight robbery will not only be a disrespect to the citizens, but will also push the country's economy further into a downward spiral. so as you can see him on cons. so supporters absolutely refused to be swallowed into this talk of unity and they want the release of their own. com . this is something that they are calling for and it doesn't seem to me that

they're going to stop fighting for this. it seems to be, this is going to be a very far out battle, so we'll see what happens there to start out. since the answer is a pc. i know tom, so for me is central government, but may yet and rule on a federal entity. the problem is, is that it is not a body in the body image because it has been declared to be of a body which has not has its party election. and therefore, all its members are considered to be independent. so forming a coalition with uh, independence is consistent problem, do not have any numerical or constitutional way to form a government at the center. however, 5 side is the federation. it has 4 treasured in units and b, i it has one of the sleeping majority in one of the federated units bordering

applied is not far tablet of to inquire so they will be able to form a government in a province. but at the center they operate agreed to form a government so that government is going to be there at the p g i independent. or if they're able to order the part, you mentioned the time pete, you as a box even just sitting on the opposition benches. megs towing people of bo, he's on cross. so i will be back to the top of yeah, bye for now. or the . the

hello and welcome to cross dog were all things are considered non peters, though, still again, russia is offered to negotiate an end to the conflict in ukraine, but the answer is always the same. washington says no to negotiations. indeed, the bison ministration is desperate to continue to fund ukraine's wherever. the window to negotiate is rapidly closing the cross talking ukraine. i'm joined by my guest. i'm long ago in north florida. he is publisher of the gold goats and guns blog and newsletter in st. petersburg. we have alexander a tom, he is a senior lecture at st. petersburg state institute of technology and in cal to we cross through pasco, lopez. he is an associate professor at kyoto university, are generally cross talk roles and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate and they go to tom 1st in florida as we speak. now we're

still in the afterglow of the tucker, put in a interview in the us senate is pushing through it, spending for ukraine. and israel doubtful it will make much headway in um, in the house and, and it, and on the ground and you cranes illusion these out. and we don't know it's a political portions of zelinski. so i just gave you 3 things to play with your choice. go ahead. well, let's start with the tucker, putting interviewers, i think everybody has gotten that all the wrong. um, i think wilfully wrong. right. i think that, you know, we have the, we have the, the political establishment on the west wanting to downplay putin's history of us and as being some kind of false history. and then to therefore invalidate his reasons for being there. and at the same time they of course want to marginalize tucker carlson who has now become a major force for a countervailing media presence that media narrative. honestly, that undermines their, their advance towards war. so you have it right peter. they do still want more on

the war and the show. i mean for most go on. but the real point, i think of what bruton did when he sat down with carson, he had a long time to prepare for this. he and the staff, and it was very clear, was that he was speaking directly to the american people saying, look, it doesn't matter whether you agree with my version of history here. this is our truth here in russia. this is this, this is the story. and you can either to deal with it and then figure out some way of putting pressure on your leadership to negotiate over this. or we can have a war. and that's the, that's the situation because it's like, you know, it's, it's one, it's having a, an argument with your wife. do you want to be right? or do you want to be married? right. and no, seriously, i mean, when it really comes down to that, and that's kind of where we are, it's the same kind of thing. if we don't, the russians been asking for some form of empathy and some form of you know, hey let's, we don't have to agree about these things. you can consider my version of history wrong, and i can consider your version is very wrong. but diplomacy is the art of making

that happen and then going forward and letting the people decide who was right and who was was that's a good point that answered them. i think the lesson that he, that he put forth when he was talking about implementing limits agreements. right? yeah, i think, you know, meant for some and what some in the west they minsk agreements that you all of us are very familiar with. maybe that's the 1st time they ever heard about it. that's the whole point here. you know, alexander, to continue with tom's pointer mean for those of us. they've been following this conflict from since 2014 everyone, 2014. would probably have to say he didn't say anything particularly new. i mean he and maybe a little bit of detail here and there. but the narrative is been as well established . and maybe this interview with tucker carlson was the 1st time in and put me even talked about it that kind of have a breakout effect where it can reach a larger audience. i before we started the r r r r program here i was always telling tom that you know, the 1st thing the telegraph in the u. k reported on this interview was about how

they talked about the long musk again. they don't want to talk about substance. alexander, go ahead as well. you've echoed my opinions about it. exactly. you just always know that the western media is going to take anything that happens and they'll spin it in. so just the most ridiculous directions. so, you know, the 30 seconds that this interview that lasted 2 hours was talking about you on must. of course, that's the headline news from all these organizations. it's, it's, it's really just kind of a travesty that this is how heavy the censorship is in the west. you're not allowed to talk about real issues. you're not allowed to even hear the president of the country that apparently america is supposed to be going into world war 3 with you're not allowed to hear the reason that the other side is even fighting in the war, which, which is completely crazy. and then you have people talking about, oh,

maybe we should punish tucker carlson for even having done journalism like this it's, it's a really extreme. so here's these people saying, oh tucker carlson is being anti american or he's not doing what he should be doing . but then you have all of these people in the american government who pledged their legions to foreign countries. you have people like chuck schumer going in front of a pac saying the only purpose he exists is to defend israel. you have nancy pelosi doing the same thing. so you know, it's fine to pledge allegiance to foreign nations, but it's not fine to do journalism and talk to the russian presidents like we all understand that it's hypocritical. but it, i don't know where you really go. well, you know, one of the things, alexander i got, and something i've been saying for a very long time is that the united states and russia, they don't necessarily have to be friends with. they should never be enemies. but i think that's one of the things i'd tucker was trying to get across here. pasco is got to bring it up to the present. again,

tucker got out of the president of the russian federation. does it? yes, they, they, he wants to negotiate it in that didn't make the headlines, did it go ahead. well, funny lena, it was picked up by the new york times, but the but it was immediately been commented by experts as like being a ploy or maybe just uh, just a lie in order to get some type legal advantage. so the, the read the owners like, by the full price to me, the real point which is that this was the most public ever appealed by the president of russia to actually sit down and negotiate. and you know, he even laid out how he even said, let's go to east stumble. and you said you talked about the means could agreement. i mean, some people in the west might have heard of the main screen that before. but i was literally off by a switch newspaper wants to cover this. like, can you please explain what it needs to? what happened and he stumbled, the march 2022. these,

these long negotiations are already forgotten and had forgotten on purpose because they were, they were crowded out by bu got, and so on. and this is the impact of, of west the purple gotten at the sad thing. is this propaganda is not even from pop down indoctrinate that this is voluntary self censorship. and so propaganda that the west is currently trapped in and prepping itself and still gearing toward a more warfare with the idea that putting doesn't talk, which is why they're so angry. they are not angry at carlson, they're not angry and bloody me put in for saying what he said. they're angry at costs and for actually making up a part to us public places because that's the only threat, the real threat to, to their war making power that the people suddenly understand what there is an alternative. yeah, well what they want is they want to be maintain the v uh, the gatekeepers. that's what they want. they don't want, they want to control the messaging. you know, tom, the it said system vote was, is being brought up. i remember at the top in real time because i was going down to this studio and i had to change everything is a, with there looks like

a tentative agreement coming out of a symbol in real time. it took months and months and months for people to mention oh what, what was something was going honest, i'm both know they just didn't want to know about it. so how can you talk about your sample and mens can all this if there is no filtering to the public and this is i think what tucker was trying to break through and pool as well. they both at the same goal in a way, tom, i know i agree with everybody i, i've been nodding my head and sign on agreement as the americans in the room going . yeah, isn't this crazy and that's the problem, right. and we, and i think the, the, yeah, i said at the time when it happened to the free and tucker across and from corporate media here in the united states was the best thing that ever happened to him. yep. um and it's, he's, he's making that he's, he's going to put a down payment on that every time he a further down payment on every time he opens his mouth at this point in interview, somebody else like, you know, a week. and so it's, it's an incredibly important to,

to understand that yes, a lot of americans don't understand what's going on and do want to know what's going on. and i think that that's part of the, the, the, the thing that we have to, you know, as a international can commentary, that we really have to embrace here that there's, and we don't want this war anymore, then you all do. i don't like it. that's the, that's the reality. and the, the public opinion polls are this way. it's clear that we don't want to send them sending more money view crane. and, you know, and for put into do very succinctly and, and, and in ends very successfully say look, this is what's going to happen if we don't, you know, start acting like rational actors. and that was probably the biggest take away from this that what, what are the other millions of americans saw put in as a rational act. exactly. you know, alexander, that one of the things that, you know, if you want to, i don't want, you know, like to go into a body language and stuff like that. i mean, it's kind of trivial,

but when you looked at how they were interacting with one another, there was a great deal of calmness in confidence. and i think that's one of the things that put in one is that yes, this is going on. it will. and that we can negotiate, but it will end with or without negotiation is going to happen. now it's really up to your side, communicate to your people, you're gonna have a one way or another, but it's going to be the outcome is going to more or less be the same. go ahead, alexander as well. i have to say that i was a little bit disappointed with the work doctor did. not that i'm a journalist, but i mean it's very good that the interview happened. but to me it kind of seemed like he was a little bit unprepared for the interview. he didn't seem to know what to say in response to putin's answers. so maybe to some extent, even tucker carlson is a little bit wrapped in the media center. so alex, are, i think i have an explanation for that because i think that you know, ever since he left but uh, fox news,

which was the greatest thing that happened to jermel the journalism in my life time is a tucker, introduced people. he likes interviews, people that he had myers and this was a very different kind of interview. i think he was prepared. i just don't think he was prepared for such a forceful reaction because he likes to have an interview as a chat. usually go ahead, finish up, go ahead. alexander. yeah, chat is actually the word that i would describe to use it, which is kind of a funny adjective to put on the most viewed interview in world history apparently. and what was the most, the most significant for a long time and, you know, as we stand in the middle of this war, so i don't know, it's just a very strange mishmash of, uh, anomaly. so it's, it's pretty interesting. well, i yeah, but i mean, because we've never seen anything quite like it before. i mean, it was highly anticipated. i have to admit to everyone this 1st time, instead of in my program, i was really taken aback by the 23 minute history like less than that. but i think

it was making a point. you know, i know what i'm talking about. you're never, you don't know this history, we lived this history and that history has consequences that i think that was part of that. but of course, for tuckers view viewing audience, something like that has never happened before and probably will never happen again . as far as like the fox news type, people who are ships, i would say for like you know, the people who this could appeal to the sort of republican baby boomer population watching fox news and hand who have continued to follow. tucker carlson. i think that this, this is moderately effective. okay. allow me to talk a little bit about that in the next part of the present. gentleman, i'm going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on united states without the

the welcome ect, across stock, where all things are considered. i'm peter roosevelt remind you were discussing ukraine, the okay, let's go with talk a little bit of what's going on and ukraine here, as i mentioned in my, at the top of the program, we absolutely is out and he's no longer a threat to zalinski. that's a question mark for people listening to is that a bug pod cast? we have the senate moves forward. we expected that with

a huge funding bill for ukraine and israel. it's faith in the house of representatives is rather unclear at this point even to the point of being negative . and then we, let's not forget everybody. victoria knew and liked the criminal re return to the crime scene until last week. and you know, she's still doing those attaboy, let's keep going here. so it looks to me, i want the opinion of all my god gets here. this has a lot of desperation here. money isn't gonna solve their problem. uh and uh, the beginning to realize that pass go so we don't know what's happening inside ukraine at the moment. that solution is all just definite. you know, the sign of strength. it's something happened. the high end of the behind the scenes. and one of the of the potential next next heads was, was else did we know that solution was them support the bye bye. uh, portal shane call and but that, but what that actually means, the internal dynamic,

i don't know, but nichol, i bet, throw from the university of rhode island pointed out that even, oh, the, the influence from the west on ukraine is tremendous. that really, the decision of the hard core nationally is to have been capturing ukraine from the inside for a long time is, is, is important to you. and at some point they might actually, besides that a change is necessary. and when that comes to maybe then a window of opportunity for a real negotiation between ukraine and russia over the head of the victoria, nutrients and so on, might open up. but i don't think it's here yet. well, i'd tell him that's an interesting theory. i don't think any of these right? um, extreme right wing people. these neo nazi, neo fascist, will be willing to negotiate with anyone they would prefer to get rid of. is a lensky, a circle that we have. it doesn't serve their purposes anymore. basically they'd be there, they're stuck between a rock and a hard place here because you know,

all of this is going on. and we talked about the b interview, the tucker carlson had with the russian president to meet the components made and kind of very clear. you know, they're going to negotiate with washington. they're not going to go shaped with the resume and cab because they're the, they, they don't, they may officially can't even legally negotiate. they put themselves into this bizarre position. so it's really odd. it seems like to me that's a game of musical chairs going on in into desperation is sitting in the they don't have the manpower they don't have the immunization, etc, etc. and victoria new and is this thing we've got your back. i think there was some more, more more people in caps that we've heard this before and look what happened tom? yeah, i would say that is, is correct peter. and moreover, i want everybody to realize that there's a timer here. and i really do think that the time are for all of these people is the end of the, by the ministration. like what happens this year in the us presidential elections will determine the future of this conflict and of multiple conflicts around the

world. and this is everybody, i've been saying this for a long, long time, that this is a kind of a rate. so even from the day after the war broke out, then everything is a race. it's a race to running as it to the, to ending the political support for ukraine in the united states. the economic support for ukraine, the united states as a race, but the neo cons to finally subdued the subjugate. russia going back to, you know, 300 years ago with the british empire. it's been got, this is a conflict that's been going on for a long, long time. and there's a lot of history here. and, you know, people like new and have been empowered and been placed in a position to power in order to make this thing happen. and, you know, i've, i've also said for a long time that these people are very smart, but they're not very clever. or they have one playbook, and they're playbook as well, throw money out, throw local populations at it, and fight a proxy war until that proxy worse spent. and then at some point, are we going to have american troops on the ground, or we're going to have german troops on the ground. and if you listen to, you know,

german chancellor, all of charles is saying, you know, we've got to militarize now. well that's coming from on the line of air, bach and robert callback that's coming from the green, neo conservative. sure. completely aligned with victoria. no one is off. so i don't know just like why does that repaired? but you're right, because this is a, it's political, it's not about security. so that's what really irritates me. alexander is that, you know, it's really should be about security use of the if all players were talking about security wouldn't be going in a very different direction. so we're looking at a ideological, an ideological agenda here in, you know, because you knew and represented here. and we can for, for sergeant schultz in germany to say we need to militarize. i mean, you're approaching it completely wrong. how do we end the war? how do we get these seats? they never tell him, which is tragic, of course. and i have to disagree with tom, though, i don't think that the us selection here is going to determine anything because we

have to keep in mind that the 2020 election was stolen. donald trump won that election by millions of votes, we can't forget how it at 2 in the morning, 6 states just stopped counting simultaneously and we have your audience surely bringing bags in when, when the election was stolen. the issue is whether or not there's, there's a, there's a, there's an farm or nuance point that we don't have time here to go into about what's actually going on within the united states power structure. and i firmly believe that this point that what we're, what we've seen is enough, we have enough time to face your evidence or enough for inferential evidence to say that there are counter veiling forces trying to. and that, and factions control of the united states government. and why is what we're talking about for 5 days after that? the carlson put in interview. how does that interview? we've come to occur without tucker, call somebody email, remanded to guantanamo like. these are real. these are real questions that are, that are, that are brought up by these things. well, i read on the printer again,

i didn't want to take would go in this direction, middle name as pascal, because i think it's very interesting trumps of speech. in south carolina, about the nato members don't pay up, you know, that they're not going to defend you. i mean chord stop is because he knows what buttons to push. he's a master redoing it here. but there, there are plenty of people in the establishment that think that is a red line. so i don't know if the election in november is good means a lot of things is number one. is it going to happen? number 2 or this re candidates on online right now, will they be on the ballot? i mean, there's so much going on right now, but when you start attacking a sacred cow like nato, well them or in american english member fight in words pass go. but, you know, did that also in 2016 and he threatened to the funds nato, and it never happened. and to put in interviews of tucker costs, and i was a show something else, which is the, even the people who are against the war with ukraine, like tucker carlson or for

a war china that even those people and, and donald trump is included in those they would rather use the us fire power against china. i mean, cover costs and ask that question. hey, let me put the, don't you think that you better true? i do have good relationships with us because china is even worse than somebody up with them. that's it. and let me put it, have to explain to him, look, this is a book and story americans, please stop being being afraid of china. we, china and russia. we're not your enemies. you don't have to have as enemies. but doctor, i'm not sure dr. call some x in the still doesn't, he belongs to diffraction, who would probably use to buy a par on the other end. so i agree um the, whatever the outcome of the $22020.00 of this year makes an 8th of 20. 24 will probably not bring more ease. it might just re focus the us worst 8 on a different target. of course, for us it would be nice if it wasn't real sure anymore. yeah, well, if you just pass code, you just got it right. it's all about the worst state, designated tom, because, i mean, if you want to get, instead of focusing on russia,

let's focus on china. that still means, you know, the weapons manufacturers when that's when it gets out and gets down to okay. but the problem is with, with, with, with focusing on rushes, it could end up in the 3rd world war. okay. i mean, this is one of the things i've explained to people that, you know, over and over again, is that, you know, if it's afghanistan or panama or libya, it doesn't threatened to blow up the world will focusing on russia. could tom, i know i agreed and i am folks don't get me wrong when i say that the election is important and that i'm sanguine about the, the possibility of an anti war sentiment breaking out in washington. it's indicative of, of a potential time and a potential shift in focus over time. but we're reaching that point where it's going to be your choice. are we gonna actually do this or we're going to have a world war? i don't think trump wants a war with china anymore. then you might have won an economic and more of

a china and, you know, and tucker carlson, you know, like at the end of the day tucked across as geo politics are relevant. i mean, i urge everybody to really watch the 26 minute interview. he just posted yesterday, the post put in interview. i think it will clarify who he is and where he is. and i think it's probably some of the most honest, i've seen of any public figure. honest. like, yeah, who he is a statement of who a public figure is that i've seen a quite a long time. and i think everybody wants the same thing here already. you know, everybody who's are, we're arguing about kind of how we're going to get peace or, or how we can influence these people to finally stop the war. and that we may be arguing about, around the, the edges of this. but there are clear factors here at, you know, we should already be in a war with russia over ukraine. folks, the fact that we're not is actually, of goods. well, the reason they are is, and then and then the fact that the, a lot of the,

some of the warmongers in the united states are barking. but they're not actually being able to get things. but you can make those, you don't want to work. we should have what the word rush, digital, much more with those over over north. strange are. all right, let me, let me finish with alexander, but you could make the argument that it is a war. it's just the semantics we have here. got one minute alexander, go ahead. well i, i'm very, a bear market on the election having much impact because biden is over there in the philippines building new military bases. and the united states administration has its clause very deep in those countries along the south china sea. and they're constantly pushing them towards confrontation with china. so really, china and russia, they're both backed against the same wall. so whether there's a war or an effort against china or against russia, it's the same thing as was nato l g, b, t, q, a lions trying to dominate the world force their very bizarre,

ideal ideology on all countries that are in its orbit. and this includes poland, poland recently had a shift in its government, and now they're starting to talk about instituting these kinds of ideological changes in what was once the most conservative country in europe. so that you al, all right, thanks guys. i think so put too much stock into elections and democracy. you know why? because the leads don't believe in it. okay. they want us to pretend that it's real . okay. a topic for another time. that's all the time we have get a loan. i think my gets an deal to florida and in saint petersburg. and of course i want to thank our viewers are watching us here at our d. c. a next time. remember prospect the, [000:00:00;00] the,

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