or can people say, look, it doesn't matter whether you agree with my version of history here. this is our truth here in russia. this is this, this is the story. and you can either deal with it and then figure out some way of putting pressure on your leadership to negotiate over this. or we can have a war. and that's the, that's the situation because it's like, you know, it's, it's one, it's having a, an argument with your wife. do you want to be right? or do you want to be married? right. and no, seriously, i mean, when it really comes down to that and that's kind of where we are, it's the same kind of thing. if we don't, the russians been asking for some for them to see some form of you know hate, but we don't have to agree about these things. you can consider my version of history wrong and i can consider your version of history wrong. but diplomacy is the art of making that happen and then going forward and letting the people decide who was right and who was was that's a good point that all of them i think the lesson that he, that he put forth when he was talking about implementing limits agreements, right? yeah. you know meant for some and what some in the west they minsk agreements that

you all of us are very familiar with. maybe that's the 1st time they ever heard about it. that's the whole point here. you know, alexander, to continue with tom's point here. mean for those of us, they've been following this conflict from since 2014 everyone, 2014. what putting on to say he didn't say anything particularly new. i mean, he and maybe a little bit of detail here in there, but the narrative is been as well established. and maybe this interview with tucker carlson was the 1st time in and, and put me even talked about it that kind of have a breakout effect where it can reach a larger audience. i before we started the r r r r program here i was always telling tom that you know, the 1st thing the telegraph in the u. k reported on this interview was about how they talked about you on musk. again, they don't want to talk about substance. alexander, go ahead or you've echoed my opinions about it. exactly. you just always know that the western media is going to take anything that happens,

and they'll spinet into just the most ridiculous directions. so, you know, the 30 seconds that this interview that lasted 2 hours was talking about you on must. of course, that's the headline news from all these organizations. it's, it's, it's really just kind of a travesty that this is how heavy the censorship is in the west. you're not allowed to talk about real issues. you're not allowed to even hear the president of the country that apparently america is supposed to be going into world war 3 with you're not allowed to hear the reason that the other side is even fighting in the war, which, which is completely crazy. and then you have people talking about, oh, maybe we should punish tucker carlson for even having done journalism like it's, it's a really extreme. so here's these people saying, oh tucker carlson is being anti american or he's not doing what he should be doing

. but then you have all of these people in the american government who pledge their legions to foreign countries. you have people like chuck schumer going in front of a pac saying the only purpose he exists is to defend israel. you have nancy pelosi doing the same thing. so, you know, it's fine to pledge allegiance to foreign nations, but it's not fine to do journalism and talk to the russian presidents like we all understand that it's a hypocritical but it, i don't know where you really go. well, you know, one of the things, alexander, i got is something i've been saying for a very long time is that the united states and russia, they don't necessarily have to be friends with. they should never be enemies. let me think that's one of the things i'd tucker was trying to get across here. pasco is kind of bring it up to the present. again, tucker got out of the president of the russian federation. does it? yes they, they, he wants to negotiate it in that didn't make the headlines, did it go ahead as well. funny enough, it was picked up by the new york times,

but the, but it was immediately didn't commented by experts as like being a lawyer or maybe just uh, just a lie in order to get some type legal advantage. so the, the, the media owners, like, by default, tries to meet the real point, which is that this was the most public ever appeal by the president of russia to actually sit down and negotiate. and you know, he even laid out how he even said, let's go to east stumble. and you said, you talked about kaminsky agreement. i mean, some people in the west might have heard of the main screen that before. but i was literally off by a switch newspaper wants to cover this. like, can you please explain what it needs to? what happened in these simple and the march 2022. these, these long negotiations are already forgotten and had forgotten on purpose because they were, they were crowded out by boat got and so on. and this is the impact of, of west the purple gotten at the sad thing is this propaganda is not even from pop

down indoctrinated. this is voluntary self censorship and so propaganda that the west is currently trapped in trapping itself and still gearing toward a more warfare with the idea that putting doesn't talk, which is why they're so angry. they are not angry at carlson, they're not angry unplugging, they put in for saying what he said, they're angry at costs and we're actually making of a part to us public places because that's the only threat, the real threat to, to their war making power that the people suddenly understand what there is an alternative. yeah. well, what they want is they want to be maintain the v uh, the gatekeepers. that's what they want. they don't want, they want to control the messaging. you know, tom, the it said system vote was, is being brought up. i remember at the top in real time because i was going down to this studio and i had to change everything is a, with there looks like a tentative agreement coming out of a symbol in real time. it took months and months and months for people to mention oh what, what was something was going honest, i'm both know they just didn't want to know about it. so how can you talk about

your sample and mens can all this if there is no filtering to the public and this is i think what tucker was trying to break through and pool as well. they both at the same goal in a way, tom, i know i agree with everybody i, i've been nodding my head and sign on agreement as the americans in the room going . yeah, isn't this crazy and that's the problem, right. and we, and i think the, the, yeah, i said at the time when it happened to the free and tucker across and from corporate media here in the united states was the best thing that ever happened to him. yep. um and it's, he's, he's making that he's, he's gonna put a down payment on that every time he a further down payment on not every time he opens his mouth at this point in interview, somebody else like, you know, it, we. and so it's, it's an incredibly important to, to understand that yes, a lot of americans don't understand what's going on and do want to know what's going on. and i think that that's part of the, the, the, the thing that we have to,

you know, as a international can commentary out, we really have to embrace here that there's, and we don't want this war anymore, then you all do. i don't like it. that's the, that's the reality. and the, the public opinion polls are this way. it's clear that we don't want to send them the sending more money view crane. and, you know, and for put into do very succinctly and, and, and in ends very successfully say look, this is what's going to happen if we don't, you know, start acting like rational actors. and that was probably the biggest take away from this that, well, what are the other millions of americans saw put in as a rational act? exactly. you know, alexander, that one of the things that, you know, if you want to, i don't want, you know, like to go into a body language and stuff like that. i mean, it's kind of trivial, but when you looked at how they were interacting with one another, there was a great deal of calmness in confidence. and i think that's one of the things that put in one is that yes, this is going on. it will. and that we can negotiate, but it will end with or without negotiation is going to happen. now it's really up

to your side, communicate to your people, you're going to have a one way or another, but it's going to be the outcome is going to more or less be the same. go ahead, alexander. well, i have to say that i was a little bit disappointed with the work doctor did. not that i'm a journalist, but i mean it's very good that the interview happened. but to me, it kind of seemed like he was a little bit unprepared for the interview. he didn't seem to know what to say in response to putin's answers. so maybe to some extent, even tucker carlson is a little bit wrapped in the media center. so alex, are, i think i have an explanation for that because i think that you know, ever since he left but uh, fox news, which was the greatest thing that happened to jermel the journalism in my life time is a tucker, introduced people. he likes interviews, people that he had myers and this was a very different kind of interview. i think he was prepared. i just don't think he

was prepared for such a forceful reaction because he likes to have an interview. is a chat usually go ahead, finish up. go ahead. alexander. yeah, chat is actually the word that i would describe to use it, which is kind of a funny adjective to put on the most viewed interview in world history apparently. and one of the most of the most significant for a long time and, you know, as we stand in the middle of this war, so i don't know, it's just a very strange mishmash of anomaly. so it's is pretty interesting. well, i yeah, but i mean, because we've never seen anything quite like it before. i mean, it was highly anticipated. i have to admit to everyone this 1st time, instead of in my program, i was really taken aback by the 23 minute history like less than that. but i think it was making a point. you know, i know what i'm talking about. you're never, you don't know this history, we lived this history and that history has consequences that i think that was part

of that. but of course, for tuckers view viewing audience, something like that has never happened before and probably will never happen again . as far as like the fox news type, people who are ships, i would say for like you know, the people who this could appeal to the sort of republican baby boomer population watching fox news. i had who have continued to follow. tucker carlson. i think that this, this is moderately effective. okay. allow me to talk a little bit about that in the next part of the present. gentleman, i'm going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on united states without the

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the welcome back across. ok, we're all things are considered. i'm peter in the mail to remind you we're discussing ukraine, the . okay, let's go, let's talk a little bit of what's going on in ukraine here. as i mentioned in my, at the top of the program, we absolutely is out. and he's no longer a threat to the lensky. that's a question mark for people listening to isn't a bug pod cast. we have the senate moves forward. we expected that with a huge funding bill for ukraine and israel. it's faith in the house of representatives is rather unclear at this point even to the point of being a negative. and then with, let's not forget everybody. victoria knew and liked a criminal re returned to the crime scene and into last week. and you know, actually still doing those. attaboy, let's keep going here. so it looks to me,

i want the opinion of all my god gets here. this is a lot of desperation here. money isn't going to solve their problem. uh and uh, the beginning to realize that pascal so we don't know what's happening inside ukraine at the moment. um that solution is all just definite. you know, the sign of strength. it's something happened the high end of the behind the scenes, and one of the of the potential mix just mixed heads was, was ousted. we know that solution was them support the bye bye. uh, portal shane call and but that, but what that actually means, the internal dynamic, i don't know, but nichol, i bet, throw from the university of rhode island pointed out that even, oh, the, the influence from the west on ukraine is tremendous. that really, the decision of the hard core nationally is to have been capturing ukraine from the inside for a long time is, is, is important to you. and at some point they might actually, besides that

a change is necessary. and when that comes to maybe then a window of opportunity for a real negotiation between ukraine and russia over the head of the victoria, nutrients and so on, might open up. but i don't think it's here yet. well, i'd tell him that's an interesting theory. i don't think any of these right? um, extreme right wing people, these neo nazi, neo fascist, will be willing to negotiate with anyone they would. you prefer to get rid of? is a lensky, a circle that we have. it doesn't serve their purposes anymore. basically they'd be there, they're stuck between a rock and a hard place here because you know, all of this is going on. and we talked about the b interview, the tucker carlson had with the russian president to meet the components made and kind of very clear, you know, they're going to negotiate with washington. they're not claim negotiate with the regime and cab because they're the, they, they don't, they may officially can't even legally negotiate. they put themselves into this bizarre position. so it's really odd. it seems like to me that to a game of musical chairs going on in into desperation,

the setting in the they don't have the manpower they don't have the immunization, etc, etc. and victoria newland is this thing. we've got your back. i think there was some more, more more people in gibson. we've heard this before and look what happened tom? yeah, i would say that is, is correct peter. and moreover, i want everybody to realize that there's a timer here. and i really do think that the time or for all of these people is the end of the by the ministration. i, what happens this year in the us presidential elections will determine the future of this conflict and of multiple conflicts around the world. and this is everybody, i've been saying this for a long, long time, that this is a kind of a rate. so even from the day after the war broke out that everything is a race is a race to running as it to the, to ending the political support for ukraine in the united states. the economic support for the ukraine, the united states as a race. but the neo cons to finally subdued the subjugate russia going back to,

you know, 300 years ago with the, the british empire. it's been got, this is a conflict. it's been going on for a long, long time. and there's a lot of history here. and, you know, people like new and have been empowered and been placed in a position to power in order to make this thing happen. and, you know, i've, i've also said for a long time that these people are very smart, but they're not very clever. or they have one playbook and their playbook is wanna throw money on it, throw local populations at it, and fight a proxy war until that proxy worse spent. and then at some point, are we going to have american troops on the ground, or we're going to have german troops on the ground? and if you listen to the german chancellor, all of charles is saying, you know, we've got to militarize now. well that's coming from orlando bear bach and robert callback that's coming from the green, neo conservative store, completely aligned with victoria new ones as well. so i can, but i don't, we don't just like to buy doesn't repaired, but you're right because this is a, it's political, it's not about security. so that's what really irritates me. alexander said,

you know, it's really should be about security use of the if all players were talking about security wouldn't be going in a very different direction. so we're looking at a ideological, an ideological agenda here in, you know, victoria new and represented here. and we can for, for sergeant schultz in germany to say we need to militarize. i mean, you're, you're, you're approaching it completely wrong. how do we end the war? how do we get peace seats? they never talk about these issues. go ahead. alexander. yeah, it shows the willingness of the regime in washington dc to sacrifice to the ponds. it has in europe, which includes germany, which includes poland and obviously which includes the zelinski and all the people in ukraine. the entire population of ukraine is a pond to these people, which is tragic, of course. and i have to disagree with tom, though, i don't think that the us selection here is going to determine anything because we

have to keep in mind that the 2020 election was stolen. donald trump won that election by millions of votes, we can't forget how it at 2 in the morning, 6 states just stopped counting simultaneously and we have, it is surely draining bags. and when he's, when the election was stolen, the issue is whether or not there's, there's a, there's a, there's an farm or nuanced point that we don't have time here to go into about what's actually going on within the united states power structure. and i firmly believe that this point that what we're, what we've seen is enough, we have enough time to face your evidence or enough for inferential evidence to say that there are counter valley forces trying to. and that, and factions control of the united states government. and why is what we're talking about for 5 days after that? the carlson put in interview. how does that interview? we've come to occur without tucker, call somebody an email reminder to guantanamo like these are real. these are real questions that are, that are, that are brought up by these things. well i, i've had all the time and i didn't what take would go in this direction,

middle name as pascal, because i think it's very interesting trumps and speed to in south carolina about the nato members don't pay up, you know, that they're not going to defend you, i mean chord step is because he knows what button supports. he's a master redoing it here. but there, there are plenty of people in the establishment that think that is a red line. so i don't know if the election in november is good means a lot of things is number one. is it going to happen? number 2, or this re candidates on online right now? will they be on the ballot? i mean, there's so much going on right now, but when you start attacking a sacred cow like nato, well them or in american english member fight in words pass go. but, you know, did that also in 2016 and he threatened to the funds nato. and it never happened. and to put in into view of tucker costs and also show something else, which is the, even the people who are against the war with ukraine, like tucker carlson, r for

a war china that even those people and, and the donald trump is included in those they would rather use the us fire power against china. i mean, cover cost and ask that question. hey, let me put the don't you think that you better true? i do have good relationships with us because china is even worse than somebody up with them. that's it. and let me put and have to explain to it. look, this is a booking and story americans, please stop being being afraid of china. we try and rush it. we're not your enemies . you don't have to have as enemies, but the doctor, i'm not sure dr. call some x m still doesn't he belongs to the faction who would probably use the fire part on the other end. so i agree on the whatever the outcome of the 2020 uh, 20 of this year makes an 8th of 20. 24 will probably not bring more ease. it might just re focus the us worst 8 on a different target. of course for us it would be nice if it wasn't frustrating more . yeah, well, if you just pass code, you just got it right. it's all about the worst state, isn't it? tom? i because i mean, if you want to get it instead of focusing on rush it, let's focus on china. that still means, you know,

the weapons manufacturers when that's when it gets out and gets down to okay. but the problem is with, with, with, with focusing on russia is a, could end up in the 3rd world war. okay. i mean, this is one of the things i've explained to people that, you know, over and over again, is that, you know, if it's f can a span or panama or libya and it doesn't threaten to blow up the world will focusing on russia. could com. i know i agreed, and i am folks to get me wrong when i say that the election is important and that i'm sanguine about the the possibility of an anti war sentiment breaking out in washington. it's indicative of, of a potential time and potential shift in focus over time. but we're reaching that point where it's going to be your choice. are we gonna actually do this or we're going to have a world war? i don't think trump wants a war with china anymore. then you might have won an economic and more of a china and, you know, and tucker carlson, you know,

like at the end of the day talk crosses. geo politics are relevant. i mean, i urge everybody to really watch the 26 minute interview. he just posted yesterday, the post put in interview. i think it will clarify who he is and where he is. and i think it's the problem with some of the most honest, i've seen of any public figure. honest. like, yeah, who he is a statement of who a public figure is that i've seen it quite a long time. and i think everybody wants the same thing here. already, you know, everybody who's are, we're arguing about kind of how we're going to get peace or, or how we can influence these people to finally stop the war. and the, we're maybe arguing about around the, the edges of this. but there are clear factors here at, you know, it, we should already be in a war with russia over ukraine. folks, the fact that we're not is actually a good well the model, the reason they are is and then and then the fact that the, a lot of the,

some of the warmongers in the united states are barking. but they're not actually being able to get thing, but you can wait because you don't want to work. we should have what the word rush, digital, much more with us over and over north. strange are all right, let me, let me finish with alexander. but you could make the argument that it is a war. it's just the semantics we have here. got one minute alexander, go ahead. well i, i'm very, a bear market on the election having much impact because biden is over there in the philippines building new military bases. and so the united states administration has, is clause very deep in those countries along the south china sea. and they're constantly pushing them towards confrontation with china. so really, china and russia, they're both backed against the same wall. so whether there's a war or an effort against china or against russia, it's the same thing. it's those nato l g b t q, a lions trying to dominate the world force. they're very bizarre,

ideal ideology on all countries that are in its orbit and this includes poland. poland recently had a shift in its government and now they're starting to talk about instituting these kinds of ideological changes in what was once the most conservative country in europe. so that u. l i guys has nothing to put too much stock into elections and democracy. you know why? because the leads don't believe in it. okay. they want us to pretend that it's real . okay. a topic for another time. that's all the time we have get a loan. i think my gets an deal to florida and in saint petersburg. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at archie. see you next time. remember prospect the the

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