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i will be back with some of the our, with more the hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, the destruction of godsa and it's people continue unabated the by the administration shows no meaningful interest in stopping israel's genocidal assault . at the same time, there is much talk of a ceasefire. in this one sided conflict. it would seem, it is just that just talk the cross talking palestine, i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york state is illegal in media analysts in rest and we have like,

i'm a luke is a former pentagon senior security policy analyst. and in latasha we crossed to steve, so he needs he is an award winning journalist and chief editor of mit is discourse . alright gentlemen, cost talk roles and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want and i always appreciate it. well, i know, let me go to you 1st here and let me just ask you a very basic question. since the united states is an election cycle. very simple question. i remind everyone the title of this program is guides, a death camp. so in light of the title of this program, lionel has joe biden put genocide on the ballot. absolutely not. and the reason why is that? sadly, to say, peter, most americans are most american voters, do not understand this conflict. this war is har as genocide. when i ask any of my friends conservative liberal, it doesn't matter. this is what they say. israel has the right to defend itself of all thinking and all discussion stops. and if you follow up with,

but does israel as it is being suggested, have the right to punish guys to eliminate guys, to eliminate palestinians, to, to starve them, to goes back circular to they have the right to defend themselves. very quickly. on september, the 11th in 2001 we said in this country, america has the right to defend itself against terrorism. and by the way, there's no concept, no group to assemble to vague too hard to pinpoint for purposes of, of, of, of sanctioning war. we went to a rock and afghanistan to get them back, even though we never figured out what they did so great. so just the conclusion, this will not ever hit the conscience of american voters because they still think it, there's some kind of a vague and legitimate response. well, maybe with, with the exception of arab and muslim americans in places like michigan in

pennsylvania. a good for right there, michael, let me know to you. after a 130 days, what, what is israel accomplished in all this except for destroy hospitals? schools, universities can well, a lot of women and children. what are they accomplished? well, one thing they have accomplished is that they have gained the universal dis dislike by the world uh for what they were for what they're doing. perfect training on the innocent, the women children, not the one point. 1000000 children are not members of hom, us. besides that, almost as a resistance group. it's not a terrorist group. and, and we're seeing over and over again. and if it weren't for the actions that israel has done to the palestinians over the course of years and years and years, we wouldn't be where we are right now. and, and, and the people don't understand that they don't understand history. and i thought it was very intriguing when we saw the, the interview with tuck, tucker,

carlson. and, and lot of important people have no concept of history period. they don't know why we're there what we're doing and, and, and we're seeing the same thing here. they don't understand what led up to this. it just didn't happen overnight. and i think that people in the americans especially need to understand that. but we're there so embroiled now in their own issues and problems. we've got the ukraine issue that we've got to deal with. people are going crazy here trying to figure out even making the living these days. given a biden's manufactured inflation and an economic downturn and world crises. and it's, it's pathetic. i mean, normally the administration's come in to make life better. this guy has made it much, much worse. well, all front. yeah. it's the foreign and domestic and foreign. it's steven it's,

it's interesting what we have heard from lionel and michael already. i don't disagree with the interpretation of how events are understood in the west, particularly the united states. but history is well known in your part of the world, okay. and may understand where this came about, why it's happening and who is protecting it. and that is of course, the united states and it's close allies. they are just as comfortable as anyone in tele, be stephen. in this process though, we almost started on 75 years ago stuck new uh 75 years ago and was the support of the british for design is thought you were talking about zines not above the jewish . there's a big difference. so people, the decisions have no problem with the jewish. they've been living together for hundreds and thousands of years. yeah, the problem is designs i geology i supported by the united kingdom and the united states. they've been funding a supporting the massacres and the,

and the killing was about us to me and people. and what's happened. october 7 is a reflection, a react of the 75 years of oppression that the palestinian people has been going through. at this time. we are see the western world and let's see the list of people the normal people have broken up. and we found that it seemed to protest in london mass of process in london and so forth. a spot of spite in new york city were seen in new york city, jewish and the most of the fathers, things together, side by side we are seen in brookville were seen in spain, on over, were stuck in seeing more countries as standing up in the face of imperialism. so the world today is smith locked out in 2000 and street. that the american, the deep stay a fact the got a, the, a white house can just a light to the world on means. the media was a smoke to, to say, this is a weapon of mass. destruction does go in until the 3000000 people and destroy

a civilization the people on the dock night. so they, there's the internet, there's the social media. there's freelance journalist on over and also there is a lot of channels who are not screwed imperialism. and did you want to buy, and i mean, if you need that like are to use one of them. so you can other tv channels. so the world today is start the, it's not up to that. but the starting to wake up the people in the united states and in europe do not one tour. the only people suffering from this. what is the opinion and the american people in the american backs fear that when the by the administration of the congress faith night with 95, the steve. and as i pointed out, as i asked you a question that makes the american people just as comfortable visa or their leaders making decisions, i don't want the stench of of genocide do uh, able to escape people that you can't say. and i've been saying this for weeks now, lionel has been with me every step of the way. you can't say you didn't know. you

can't say that any more line will jump in. i saw you want to jump in a couple of things here. i always ask my friends, that's because you must understand. i always try to lord this a and peter, i've been doing this thing professionally term to talk radio for over 35 years and i am an expert in ignorance. i mean that's by, i'm an expert, i have a ph, d in it. and the thing that i always ask you, what is, what is the word to what if you were to imagine what if you were to change the name of the word, instead of israel, call it friends, the different story completely. we can't do that. the 2nd irony is that we talk about borders and we talked about is real big, basically maintaining its borders. okay, okay, that's fine in my country right now. if we don't have any border talk, in fact, there are no mortgage people coming in from everywhere. so we, we have this schedule for an attitude. there's another thing i want to ask you gentlemen, how can you have a ceasefire when only 1511 size firing? what does this even mean? and the next question, very quickly, cuz i'm

a lawyer. there's something called proportionality, we have in our country the right to defend yourself, but you must be proportion, you could only be w 42, w 4. we have the, the i, c, j, basically say in an indictment. this is pick what, whatever scaling town you want. how is it that these very simple facts are in, are being ignored, not by the, the, the, the laughter of those people who are a sensible bite and supporters who will not be by the way, on the ticket, but by conservatives or others who are, who are supposedly against buying, but for war and you have now left the so to speak, who are now clamoring for more war. i mean, it was a line or what this is the, this is the poverty of the situation all go to michael. this is the issue of conscience. this is what does it, it's not left, right. it's not. that's nonsense. these people spin it that way, but it's nonsense. it's about conscience. i mean, i mean i, i,

how do you feel with yourself knowing that this was happening, michael as well it's, it's going to get worse. yep. unfortunately. but we have, we have a country that chooses to ignore facts as minor points out. they, they don't, they don't want to know the facts. they have their ideological bent, and that's the direction they're going. that's why people like victoria new and it's so dangerous that the nia collins are so dangerous. they're the ones who have gotten this into this calamity, not only here, but in a rock in the afghanistan, even in the vietnam. i mean it, it goes on and on. and they are in both political parties. in spite of our efforts and try to start a 3rd one, they don't want to listen and they're going to be, they're going to be uh, uh, uh, the victims of their own demise because they've brought it on themselves. and this is where it's going. the united states is very comfortable,

we could stop this crap tomorrow if we were to absolutely cut it off. and happily, hopefully, that can happen in the house, but i doubt that they're going to be able to hold on. eventually they'll cave. but whether we gain nothing, absolutely nothing. meantime is lot of points that are old border is wide open and we've got m s m s 13. we've actually got the cartels in control. so we have our own problems and the people along the border really understand that problem. and the, and people in the blue states in the, in the cities are beginning to understand that more and more. you have a really interesting, you know, michael, before we go to the break here, i'm glad you brought up these other issues because this shows us time and again that these are a lead to issues these that are in things that are important to the leads not to anyone else, i mean, it's very interesting of that mirrors around the world. it would be a look at these that it meets in the middle east,

but it still won't really speak up. i mean, it's very shameful, but they have they release the agenda. align with with their western masters. ok. but everyone is saying that no one can hide from this but to be particularly since you can watch it on live television. i gentleman, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine state without the i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except we're so shorter is that conflict with the 1st law show your mind, anticipation. we should be very careful about our personal intelligence at the point, obviously is to create

a trust rather than fit the various job. i mean with the artificial intelligence we have so many payments, the robot must protect this phone. existence was on the

the welcome back across that were all things are considered on peter roosevelt remind you were discussing palestine. the ok, let's go back to steven steven, is my viewers though. i, by training on a historian and academic historian. and i'm acutely aware of historical facts when i see monuments, when i travel to different cities, i'm very happy that i understand the historical context and why people remember these people, these individuals in history. it's, but we're in a historical moment right now. and we are all witnesses to history. we're all witnesses to what's happening or what's happening now. when could potentially happen to the city of rafa? with 1100000 more people. more than 1100000 people crowded and being pushed into the sea or, and potentially across

a board or we're all watching this happening. okay? and that's what makes this a very historical moment. because if you look at the, they, the, the other times that israel mo, most of the grass are mostly it mowed the lawn. there wasn't as much coverage of that. okay. and now there is so much coverage of it. it just turns your stomach that you were actually witnessing that this is real, steven. uh, that's uh the, what's happening today is heartbreaking. and as you said, the world is watching. and the world can i do anything about it. like the normal people it can, i don't. uh, the only way you to find this at the sub, this is the resistance because the united states is the only country that has influence on a mad person called bills. you mean nothing, you know is doing a am i is ready to do a massacre and the sub use of the people that many women and children of the

south africa. 6 tried their best, other countries tried their best and politically, the only way is resistance. because of this, the solution can be finished today as your guest said in the 2nd, if, if the, by the administration and then other states. of course, benjamin anything else on the table and do the 2 state solution and then the border . the mac is $67.00. uh the brought us to him. good. the good of and these will get shut off on his back disuse. we'll get the gold on his back and everyone live in peace. you'll won't be anymore. you'll won't be in detention. but because benjamin netanyahu today, once this worked ago, and as long as if there's because he afraid he is afraid of going to prison. because of the disruption files, so he doesn't care about the millions of civilians. he doesn't care about the, the what you can put, endangered the whole region and the economy of the region and the economy of the world. but steve, and he doesn't even care about the captives being held in the gaza strip by him. us

. that's pretty obvious as well. it's obvious when they, when what 3 of their own soldiers were tried to surrender speaking hebrew, yelling, and he broke. they were shot down. it shows the mentality of not just the government, but as a society, i'm afraid your line. oh, i don't know how many i've lost count blinking going to the middle east. i don't know. this is like a netflix series. they just can't be, you know, it canceled. okay. and it's just boring. okay. i think it's a complete fraud. i think it's a complete act. so you know, these, these like he gets it in front of a podium and says, how much he cares about children. well, how can someone say that when we've seen all what we have seen and continued to see, i think it's an act. i think it's a fraud line on please ask me a simple question for you. i want to scream and obviously at the end of our discussion of the, you know, no, we need more time. i must say something. i'll never forget the most important words of tolstoy who said history would be

a wonderful thing. if only it were true. we have a sketch of frantic reference to history, some history. we like some history. we don't we, we love to hear about. i heard somebody who saw so, but somebody who held up a bible and said this is our, this is our deed, i'm thinking, oh my gosh, this is not, this is not going to be effective. we're gonna be arguing biblical real estate here . and that's one thing. the other thing which is interesting is recently i don't think i especially remember our mainstream media are hanging on there. they've called the co, they've straight line. yeah. decades it. yep. the other day when tucker carlson, held the world spell bound by asking by meeting with vladimir putin and the world was waiting for the count down, i think people realized wholly wow, this is a new world because of people on the internet of platforms, people 5 years ago i think we've talked about these names like finkelstein,

who was the d. b cooper of the dark web. it's guy was just absolutely absent it more and more people from more and more platforms are talking about this. and then also keep your eye on what's happening to the once explosive and promising bobby kennedy trajectory, who was going to be this, you know, left and right, who by the way, has been biased. in some respects of some of left it left a young circles found that his adherents and his reputation of the is rarely side of the, of the argument is going to hurt him politically. so americans and biting in the left and the right or can, can live in this bubble and just kind of a goldfish bowl they want. but the world is speaking completely differently. i'm talking to you and i'm going to be done with this wonderful conversation and go back to my fish bowl, where i live, i'm thinking, are you people out of your mind?

do you not know what everybody? and i mean, everybody is saying and, and it's that it's, it's that cone of silence. oh, but i live, i think maybe michael, you know, i'm a little bit more optimistic considering how pessimistic our situation is here. we're not talking about a poll tax, we're not talking about, you know, the, the, the speed limit on the free way. okay. now we're talking about really a fundamental human issue isn't up until recently. we never even use the word genocide in terms of current events. things have changed really fundamentally. well i, i right as long as netanyahu is in power, i don't have that much hope because there's no one to stand. it is way. he's beginning to sound like the nazis that the jews ran well escaped from. he's talking, he's talking. okay, been right my my, my cold like, oh you're, you're proving my point. you're just proving my point right now. saying something like that. in a,

in september of last year was unheard of. now i hear this all of the time the discourse is changing. keep going. yeah. he, he wants to eliminate the pilot standing and say, what's the go one way. he doesn't care how he wants to read. he has, he has pushed this entire madness to biblical proportions and, and, and re established what he believes to be. what god had, has given to the jewish people. when you get to that kind of frenzy outlook. it's hard to stop somebody except uh to take them out 11 way or the other. and this man has gone over the top and there's nobody to stop him. right, well i'm not, i'm not, i'm not sure completely convinced that stephen, you know, this is one thing that october 7th, and it was a tragedy and atrocities were committed. let's make no mistake. but israel's invincibility is been shattered. it's deterrence has been shattered,

and it's wailing for a war with lebanon. i now, i think it's inevitable, but there will be a war. and that this is really high stakes stuff. okay. the us consent aircraft carriers, but you know what? there can aircraft carriers can think, okay, we're building up to something very, very big. and it's very ex, essential steven. uh, this benjamin that then, you know, starts a war was about and we're talking about something big we're talking about is by law . we're talking about a group where they train, we're talking about a group. well, uh well what the nice, we're not talking about some small missiles lebanese made or. busy sophisticated mr . like they're using good stuff and they, and there's risk that you've been seeing just uh, so can the imagine what would happen to the north occupied land. uh, by this time, uh, israel and the center like it allows even other cities,

what will happen from the power, the missile power and the power of his beloved rock, talking about them speaking, his people been speaking the whole vision in the van and she's not talking about the reason war that i like the principal not are not going to leave because by itself, even if the americans inter, we are talking about you're on interfering celia in therapy. i mean, you're off into a feeling well, talking, something massive. yeah. but they've been driven to make it even, even though you've painted a very bleak picture. i can make it even more bleak for you. is that the west will go along with it. it, it can't do it. otherwise it doesn't know how to stop line. well, let me go to you. do again, you're kind of my so mom in or upper uh, american public opinion. i mean, do people realize so how dangerous the situation we're in right now? no, this is i'm, i'm, i'm sorry to keep saying this because you, i, again, we live in it and i'm talking about the average and by the way, well, intended,

good people. a gentleman, there is something that happens in, in my country here though, when ever the word war happens, we feel almost invincible. we are, our back is straighter. and we point to that happens and we stand for liberty and we have this a deal, and it's like, but do you understand the moving parts here? do you understand who these people are? and i try my, but let me just say very quickly, a said, can you imagine just let me ask you if one day there is a knock on the door, you're in italy, it's somebody knocked on the door. says hi, this is my land. now i'm from brooklyn, this is my, somebody just stop right there. how would you feel? and you, you view, they look at me sometimes and they're thinking, i know you're gonna laugh. i know you're gonna laugh. what i'm telling me is or saying, well, what is, is that going on? i'm thinking, oh my god. yes, that is what's been going on for 75 years. now,

remember somebody as, as mirrors? i'm or says there's something called realism. i met say right or wrong, i'm telling you the way it is. this is what people are thinking, not which why not? who's correct? but if you're laboring under a delusion, irrespective of your side and you've got weapons including nuclear weapons, you but you're start paying attention to what the hell there's yeah, it would be the one of the big drawbacks here, michael. it you finish off the last 30 seconds here. if you disagree, you're just called an anti semite. that's still a very potent weapon. go ahead, michael on 2nd. yeah. in my case it's hard to call me as an anti semite, so it's i am one. however, it's the reality is i see what that yahoo has done. i know the history and i also understand what it's going to lead to. and it's, and he's no better than the nazis that they ran away from. i can't get over this the way they are treating the palestinians today. it is outrageous and intolerable

. well everyone, well, we're all on record of what we said as it was happening. have a clear conscience, gentlemen, that's all the time we have only take my guess and rest the new york, and we'll talk to you. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our d. c. a next time. remember across on the the, the, and it was warmer to the office agenda to separate from the petro dollar and create a gold back dean are which inevitably led to the us nato, european union. mafia ball, to kill them at the edge of a bayonet. know,

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