by new ministrations efforts to intimidate people like us that are going to be attending this important gathering. it needs to be a pose. and that's why we were very happy to have the opportunity, thanks to the russian mission, to highlight that at the united nations and the lead up to our very important trip . well that is also signing off for almost go for the solid so. so good 5 for me today in what state from the top. yeah. what we're associate estimate. i'll see you soon. the the the hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle,

the destruction of gaza and it's people continue unabated the by the administration shows no meaningful interest in stopping israel's genocidal assault. at the same time, there is much talk of a ceasefire. in this one sided conflict. it would seem, it is just that just talk the cross sucking palestine. i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he is a legal in media analyst in rest and we have michael maloof is a former pentagon senior security policy analyst ended latasha. we crossed to steve, so he needs he is an award winning journalist and chief editor of mid east discourse, or a gentleman comstock rose in effect. that means he can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. let me go to you 1st here and let me just ask you a very basic question. since the united states is an election cycle. very simple question. i remind everyone the title of this program is guys a death camp. so in light of the title of this program,

lionel has joe biden put genocide on the ballot. absolutely not. and the reason why is that? sadly, to say, peter, most americans are most american voters, do not understand this conflict. this war is har as genocide. when i ask any of my friends conservative liberal, it doesn't matter. this is what they say. israel has the right to defend itself of all thinking and all discussion stops. and if you follow up with, but does israel as it is being suggested, have the right to punish guys to eliminate guys, to eliminate palestinians, to, to starve them, to goes back circular to they have the right to defend themselves. very quickly. on september, the 11th in 2001 we said in this country, america has the right to defend itself against terrorism. and by the way, there's no concept, no group to assemble to vague too hard to pinpoint for purposes of, of,

of, of sanctioning war. we went to iraq and afghanistan to get them back, even though we never figured out what they did so. great. so just the conclusion, this will not ever hit the conscience of american voters because they still think it has some kind of a vague and legitimate response. well, maybe with the exception of arab and muslim americans in places like michigan in pennsylvania, a good for right there, michael. let me know to you. after a 130 days, what, what is israel accomplished in all this except for destroy hospitals? schools, universities can well, a lot of women and children. what are they accomplished? well, one thing they have accomplished is that they have gained the universal dis dislike by the world uh for what they were for what they're doing, perpetrating on innocent women, children. uh,

not 1100000 children are not members of hom, us besides that, how much does the resistance group? it's not a terrorist group and, and, and we're seeing over and over again. and if it weren't for the actions that israel has done to the palestinians over the course of years and years and years, we wouldn't be where we are right now. and, and, and the people don't understand that they don't understand history. and i thought that was very intriguing when we saw the, the interview with tuck, tucker, carlson. and, and lot of important people have no concept of history period. they don't know why we're there what we're doing and, and, and we're seeing the same thing here. they don't understand what led up to this. it just didn't happen overnight. and i think that people and americans especially need to understand that. but we're there so embroiled now in their own issues and problems. we've got the ukraine issue that we've got to deal with. people are going

crazy here trying to figure out even making the living these days, given a biden's manufactured of inflation and an economic downturn and world crises. and it's, it's pathetic. i mean, normally the administration's come in to make life better. this guy has made it much, much worse. well, all front. yeah. it's the foreign and domestic and foreign. it's steven it's, it's interesting what we've heard from lionel and michael already. i don't disagree with the interpretation of how events are understood in the west, particularly the united states. but history is well known in your part of the world, okay. and may understand where this came about, why it's happening and who is protecting it. and that is, of course, the united states and it's close allies. they are just as comfortable as anyone and tell a b steven. in this process though, we almost started from 75 years ago,

stuck new as 75 years ago and was the support of the british for designers thought you were talking about zines not above the jewish, there's a big difference. so people, the decisions have no problem with the jewish. they've been living together for hundreds and thousands of years. the problem designs ideology, supported by the united kingdom and the united states. they've been funding supporting the massacres and the, and the killing was about us to me and people and what's happened, october 7. it's a reflection, a react of the 75 years of oppression that the palestinian people has been going through. at this time. we are see the western world and let's see the list of people the normal people have broken up. and we found that it seemed to protest in london mass of growth as in london and so forth. a spot of spite in new york city were seen in new york city,

jewish and the muslim fathers things together. side by side. we are seen in brooks or seen in spain, on over, we're stuck in seen more countries standing up in the face of imperialism. so the world today is smith, like how in 2000 and street, that the american, the deep stay. e, fax, the got a, the, a white house scan, just the light to the world on means. the media was a smoke to read, say this is what it amounts. destruction does go in until the 3000000 people and destroy as simple as ation the people on the dock night. so they, there's the internet. there's the social media. there's freelance journalist on over and also there is a lot of channels who are not screwed imperialism and did want to buy. and i mean, we need that like our to use one of them so you can other tv channels. so the world today is starting. it's not up to that, but the starting to wake up, the people in the united states and in europe do not one tour. the only people

suffering from this. what is the opinion and the american people in the american backs? they're like when the by the administration of the congress they night with 95. yeah. yeah, i would. stephen, as i pointed out, as i asked you a question that makes the american people just as comfortable visa or their leaders making decisions. i don't want the stench of a genocide do a able to escape people. they can't, you can't say. and i've been saying this for weeks now, lionel has been with me every step of the way. you can't say you didn't know. you can't say that anymore line, i'll jump in. i saw you want to jump in. a couple of things here. i always ask my friends, that's because you must understand. i always try to lord this a and peter, i've been doing this thing professionally term to talk radio for over 35 years and i am an expert in ignorance. i mean that's by, i'm an expert, i have a ph, d in it. and the thing that i always ask you, what is, what if you were to what if you were to imagine what if you were to change the name of the word, instead of israel, call it friends,

the different story completely. we can't do that. the 2nd irony is that we talk about borders and we talked about is real big, basically maintaining it borders have to okay, that's fine in my country right now. if we don't have any border taught, in fact, there are no borders, people coming in from everywhere. so we, we have this schedule for an attitude. there's another thing i want to ask you gentlemen, how can you ever cease fire when only one fire when one side is firing? what does this even mean? and the next question, very quickly, cuz i'm a lawyer. there's something called proportionality, we have in our country the right to defend yourself, but you must be proportion. you could only be w $42.00, w 4. we had the v i, c j, basically say in an indictment. this is pick what, whatever, saving count you want. how is it that these very simple facts are in, are being ignored, not by the, the, the, the laughter of those people who are a sensible bite and supporters who will not be by the way, on the ticket,

but by conservatives or others who are, who are supposedly against buying, but for war and you have now left the so to speak for now clamoring for more war. i mean, it was a line or what this is the, this is the poverty of the situation. i'll go to michael, this is the issue of conscience. this was what does it, it's not left, right? it's not, that's nonsense. these people spin it that way, but it's nonsense. it's about conscience. i mean, i mean i, i, how do you feel with yourself knowing that this is happening, michael, as well it's, it's going to get worse. yep. unfortunately. but we have, we have a country that chooses to ignore facts as minor points out. they, they don't, they don't want to know the facts. they have their ideological bent, and that's the direction they're going. that's why people like victoria newland is so dangerous that the nia collins are so dangerous. they're the ones who have

gotten this into this calamity. not only here, but in a rock in the afghanistan, even in the vietnam, i mean it, it goes on and on. and they are in both political parties. in spite of our efforts and try to start a 3rd one. they don't want to listen and they're going to be, they're going to be uh, uh, uh, the victims of their own demise because they've brought it on themselves. and this is where it's going. the united states is very comfortable. we could stop this crap tomorrow. and if we were to absolutely cut it off and happily, hopefully that can happen in the house, but i doubt that they're going to be able to hold on eventually they'll cave. but what do we gain? nothing? absolutely nothing. meantime is lot of points that are old border is wide open and we've got m s m s 13. we've actually got the cartels in control. so we have our own problems and the people along the border really understand that problem. and the,

and people in the blue states in the, in the cities are beginning to understand that more and more. yeah, but it's really interesting, you know, michael, before we go to the break here, i'm glad you brought up these other issues because this shows us time and again that these are a lead to issues these that are in things that are important to the leads not to anyone else, i mean, and it's very interesting of that mirrors around the world. it wouldn't be a look at these that it meets in the middle east, but it still won't really speak up. i mean, it's very shameful, but they have their relief agenda align with with their western masters. ok. but everyone is saying that no one can hide from this, but basically said you can watch it on live television. i, gentleman, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine state without the the,

the watching was a right, the 5 gigabyte lambda store. and this, this is chad and i showed on the phone, i'm not just a lot. so can i scan when i knew what the subject or desktop session on the font is? that's just shiny or just is when you mine is boring. you said almost, you know, the, the, the, the, in the 1870,

the colonial expansion of the british empire in the nile valley increase. the british decided to get complete control over sudan. however, the deeply religious people of that country did not want to obey 4 laws. the unceremonious intervention of british officials led to people's discontent. it spokesman was the theologians mohammed off thought. the drug blamed himself the mahdi the design. he began to gather an army against the invaders. by 1884, most of the sudanese cities were in the hands of the modern great britain decided to intervene directly. but the troops of ahmad gave the invaders of drubbing in $1885.00. the rebels, the capital, the car to the feet of britain was totaled only by the very end of the 19th century . after the death of ahmad, the british were able to regain their control of sudan. unable to defeat the living

body, the british took revenge on the dead one. these remains were drawn out of the mazda liam and thrown away into the nile. um, odds had was brought to england as a trophy to however, the victory of the modest revolt became the 1st successful action of the peoples of africa against the colonial impression. and remained at dark stain on the reputation of the british empire. the welcome back. across the top, were all things are considered on peter isabel to remind you we're discussing palestine the okay, let's go back to steven steven is my viewers though. i by training, i'm a historian and academic historian, and i'm acutely aware of historical facts when i see monuments, when i traveled the different cities,

i'm very happy that i understand the historical contacts and why people remember these people, these individuals in history. but we're in a historical moment right now, and we are all witnesses to history. we're all witnesses to what's happening or what's happening now and could potentially happen to the city of rafa. with 1100000 more people, more than 1100000 people crowded and being pushed into the sea or, and potentially across a board or we're all watching this happening. okay? and that's what makes this a very historical moment. because if you look at the, they the other times that israel mo, most of the grass are mostly it mowed the lawn. there wasn't as much coverage of that. okay. and now there is so much coverage of it. it just turns your stomach that you were actually witnessing. this is real, steven. that's the, what's happening today is heartbreaking. and as you said, the world is watching and the world cannot do anything about it. like the normal

people it can, i don't. uh, the only way you to fight this at this of this is the resistance because the united states is the only country that has influence on a mad person. god bless you mean nothing you know is doing a am i is directed to a massacre and the sub use of the people that the men, women, and children of the south africa tried their best. other countries tried their best and politically, the only way is the resistance. because or this, the solution can be finished today as your guest said in the 2nd, if, if the, by the administration and then other states. of course, benjamin anything else on the table and do the 2 state solution and then the board or the mac is $67.00. uh the products you can get, the land that have been these will get shut off on his back. this is will get the short on his back and everyone live in peace. you'll won't be anymore. you'll won't

be in detention. but because benjamin netanyahu today, he wants to just want to go as long as there's because he afraid he is afraid of going to prison because of the disruption files. so he doesn't care about the millions of civilians. he doesn't care about the med. so what you can put endangered, the whole region and the economy of the region and the economy of the world. but steve and he doesn't even care about the captives being held in the gaza strip by him. us. that's pretty obvious as well. it's obvious when they, when what 3 of their own soldiers were tried to surrender. speaking hebrew speech yelling, and he broke. they were shot down. it shows the mentality, a mattress, the government, but as a society, i'm afraid your line. oh, i don't know how many i've lost count blink and going to the middle east. i don't know. this is like a netflix series that just can't be, you know, it cancels okay. and it's just boring. okay. um, i think it's a complete fraud. i think it's a complete act. um, you know, these,

these like he gets it in front of a podium and says how much he cares about children. well, how can someone say that when we've seen all what we have seen and continued to see, i think it's an act. i think it's a fraud line on please ask me a simple question for you. i want to scream and obviously at the end of our discussion to begin, no, no, we need more time. i must say something. i'll never forget. the most important words of tolstoy who said history would be a wonderful thing. if only it were true. we have a sketch of frantic reference to history, some history. we like some history. we don't want to. we, we love to hear about. i heard somebody who saw so, but somebody who held up a bible and said this is our, this is our deed. i'm thinking, oh my gosh, this is not, this is not going to be effective. we're gonna be arguing biblical real estate here . and that's one thing. the other thing which is interesting is recently, i don't think, especially we member, our mainstream media are hanging on there. they've called the code. they've

straight line. yeah. decades it. yep. the other day, when tucker carlson, held the world spell bound by asking by meeting with vladimir putin and the world was waiting for the count down. i've seen people realize whole li, wow. this is a new world because of people on the internet of platforms, people 5 years ago, i think we've talked about these names like finkelstein, who was the d. b cooper of the dark web. it's guy was just absolutely absent it more and more people from more and more platforms are talking about this. and then also keep your eye on what's happening to the once explosive and promising bobby kennedy trajectory. who was going to be this, you know, left and right, who, by the way, has been biased in some respects of some of left. it left a young circles found that his adherents and his reputation of the is

rarely side of the, of the argument is going to hurt him politically. so americans and biting in the left and the right or wrong can, can live in this bubble and just kind of a goldfish bowl they want. but the world is speaking completely differently. i'm. i'm talking to you and i'm going to be done with this wonderful conversation and go back to my fish bowl, where i live, i'm thinking, are you people out of your mind? do you not know what everybody? and i mean, everybody is saying and, and it's that it's, it's that cone of silence. oh, but i live, i think maybe michael, you know, i'm a little bit more optimistic considering how pessimistic our situation is here. we're not talking about a poll tax, we're not talking about, you know, the, the, the speed limit on the free way. okay. now we're talking about really fundamentally human issues. and up until recently we never even used the word genocide in terms

of current events. things have changed really fundamentally. well i, i right as long as netanyahu is in power, i don't have that much hope because there's no one to stand. it is way. he's beginning to sound like the nazis that the jews ran well escaped from. he's talking, he's talking okay, been right, my my cold like oh you're, you're proving my point. you're just proving my point right now saying something like that in a, in september of last year was unheard of. now i hear this all of the time. the discourse is changing. keep going. yeah, he, he wants to eliminate the pilot standing and say, what's the go one way. he doesn't care how he wants to read. he has, he has pushed this entire madness to biblical proportions and, and, and re established what he believes to be what god. busy has given to the jewish people, when you get to that kind of frenzy outlook, it's hard to stop somebody except uh to take them out

11 way or the other. and this man has gone over the top and there's nobody to stop him. right? well, i'm not, i'm not, i'm not sure completely convinced that stephen, you know, this is one thing that october 7th and it was a tragedy and atrocities were committed. let's make no mistake. but israel's invincibility is been shattered. it's the turns has been shattered and it's wailing for a war with loving not i. now i think it's inevitable, but there will be a war. and that this is really high stakes stuff. okay. but us consent aircraft carriers, but you know what? they're thing aircraft carriers can sink. okay, we're building up to something very, very big and it's very ex, essential stephen. uh, s. then jimmy, nathaniel starts a war was about and we're talking about something big we're talking about is the law. we're talking about a group. well, the 3, we're talking about a group. well,

uh well what the knives, we're not talking about some small missiles lebanese made or. busy sophisticated mr . like they're using good stuff and they, and there's risk keeping this thing just to. so can the world imagine what, what happened to the north occupied land a by this time uh, israel, the, and the center like it to live even other cities. what will happen from the power, the missile power and the power of his beloved rock, talking about the speed team. his people been speaking the whole vision in the van. and she's a lot of talking about the reason war that i know is a principal not are not going to leave because by itself, even if the americans inter, we are talking about you're on interfering celia in therapy. i mean, you're off into a feeling well, talking, something massive. yeah. but they've been driven to make it even, even though you've painted a very bleak picture. i can make it even more bleak for you. is that the west will

go along with it. it, it can't do it. otherwise it doesn't know how to stop line. and let me go to you do again, you're kind of my so mom in or upper uh, american public opinion. i mean, do people realize how dangerous the situation we're in right now? no. this is, i'm, i'm, i'm sorry to keep saying this because you, i, again, we live in it and i'm talking about the average and, and by the way, well, intended, good people, a gentleman, there is something that happens in, in my country here though, when ever the word war happens. we feel almost invincible. we are, our back is straighter, and we point to that happens and we stand for liberty and we have this a deal and dislike. but do you understand the moving parts here? do you understand who these people are? and i try my, but let me just say very quickly, a said, can you imagine just let me ask you if one day there's a knock on the door,

you're in italy. if somebody knocks on the door says, hi, this is my land. now. i'm from brooklyn. this is my, somebody just stop right there. how would you feel? and you, you view, they look at me sometimes and they're thinking, i know you're gonna laugh. i know you're gonna laugh. what i'm telling me is, are saying, well, what is, is that going on? i'm thinking, oh, my god. yes, that is what's been going on for 75 years. now, remember somebody as, as mirrors? i'm or says there's something called realism. i met say right or wrong, i'm telling you the way it is. this is what people are thinking, not which why not? who's correct? but if you're laboring under a delusion, irrespective of your side and you've got weapons including nuclear weapons, you but you're start paying attention to what the heather shelly says. it would be the one of the big drawbacks here. michael, you finish off the last 30 seconds here. if you disagree, you're just called an anti semite, that's still a very potent weapon. go ahead,

michael on 2nd. yeah, in my case it's hard to call me as a actually, so i might, since i am one. however, it's the reality is i see what netanyahu has done. i know the history and i also understand what it's going to lead to. and it's, and he's no better than the nazis that they ran away from. i can't get over this the way they are treating the palestinians today. it is outrageous and intolerable . well everyone, well, we're all on record of what we said as what was happening. i have a clear conscience, gentlemen, that's all the time we have only take my guess and rest the new york, and we'll talk to you. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our d. c. a next time. remember, across the the,

the russian states never as tight as on one of the most sense community best. most all sense and up the in the system must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on the russia to day and split the ortiz full neck. even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube said this is steven twist, which is the

and it was warmer to the office agenda to separate from the petro dollar and create a gold back being are, which inevitably led to the us nato, european union, mafia ball to kill them at the edge of a band at an over throw. this country, the 3 uh for 12 years has been the victim of one of the most savage, multi spectrum mores. uh the, the us and the u. k. m a u and there are lights in the gulf states and then is around and, and turkey. and i was instructed that i had to create a crisis by a given date, so that farms admissions can be fired. and i, i made it clear that i would do my job, i would do my duty, we have seen a carrier aggressiveness by the u. s. and the

western powers the fortunately beginning, unfortunately, trainings that the situation is critical. the white house that moves with kids forces are struggling on the battlefield. a bit of lack of support from washington . but that's not enough. free among during the politicians are also screaming about a new russian nuclear space. rest those details up and coming in while these rail claims it's fighting for it survived building gods, but not everyone at home agrees. i'm at least correspondence speak to fatigue and people activity but also to those you think the father is justified. yeah. but in the process of getting a mas, we, unfortunately a lot, some it's 30000 the.