the, the hello and welcome to prospect borns on peter lavelle. here we discussed some real news. the death of alexi, nev only in prison, predictably, and quickly became politicized in the west of all means. death is a cynical political tool. also, the annual security conference in munich was once an important intellectual venue. now it's a worthless talk shop and i'm joined by my usual guest, george, send me away in budapest, he's a pod cast where the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals, and the mirror cash. we have martin j. he is an award winning journalist by german prospect roles and the fact that music and trump anytime you want. and i always appreciated those. go start out with george in budapest, um the death of uh, mr. nevada. and they had such an early age in prison. first of all, i want to make sure to, with my guess here in with our audience that no person in cost incarcerated should die in prison, full stop. ok, full stop. ok. but predictably, the,

the so called leader of the russian opposition. i don't want to be clear with everyone, that's how the west labeled mr. and of all me, and that's not how he is seen or was seen in russia. okay. and so i'm trying to set this up george here. here's what joe biden had to say. you know, take it for what it's worth of us present, joe biden. acknowledge that. what wild quote we don't know exactly what happened. there is no doubt, but the death of nevada only was a consequence of something putting in his stubs did. so it's a, i don't know what he's talking about. we don't know, but we, we know um this is the typical messaging we get also for what it's worth. the vice president harris said russia is responsible, george. you know, we've covered mr. nevada and these checkered history a lot in the past. i think it's regrettable. like i said, don't say the 2nd time. no person should die in prison, george. and that's exactly right. it's very interesting that within

ours actually, within minutes of the announcements of his death, everyone he already knew who was responsible. um north stream 18 months ago. we still don't know just as successfully done the whole the investigation. we don't know, but he, i won't even know is he out of the boots in did it was interesting. um, is that from that very same day of the amount. so that is, uh this uh and the people wailing and solving and uh, you know, biting the novels of other grief over the loss of the leader of the russian opposition. i don't from was hit with a 355000000 dollar fine. um, with the interest is going to be probably close to around $460000000.00 now. um this was greeted with much relief joy. i believe i'm on much of

a media of the same people who we think over the phone. there is a case belief driven by political agenda. it's never been done against anybody else . i would say it's an up skill a little that has never been used in this way. and no one way because this the, that's the here, the leader of the opposition, the one of the, one of the video, much of this, of the liberal caucus send to the test is being persecuted and is basically to try to be, be forced into bankruptcy. that's before we get on to all the, the full criminal cases of being up to see where they gain some 4 different jurisdiction. not one of them ever been down against the former president. no one has ever, this is both in each case. it's a complete extrapolation of, of the law. there is no, that's a, you know, the tailoring it in order to go after a political event of. so this is really the problem with know how the and the west

that the west seems to be completely blind to how it treats its opposition. probably you know, what the, those are the, the opponents that issue that throws into prison. there are still people in prison in guantanamo bay for, for more than 20 years was never done on trial, special or no, no one talks about that, but they're still there. and then we got to be believe in washington dc, who protested as is the right under the 1st amendment. they protested that the uh, the, the certification of the election. they're still in prison and i'm many of it happens . i haven't even had a health trial for them in and it was more likely to be sent as the grotesque task. and it was, it just simply say, navarro only was such as the 19 years of ridiculous stuff. that's the lesson then. um, what some of the, the proud boys was sentenced to. well, also martin, we had the death of gonzalo lira. i mean was it? but there was no outcry in the west there. you know, you know,

martin the but again, you know, when we get a story like this. so obviously it was, um, it'll go crowd funding for ukraine and of all of the sudden, death at the hands of whoever is a justification to fund the ukraine conflict. this is how they connected, but i want to remind our viewers here and of only was a very, or had a very checkered career politically. in russia, it was mostly associated with the right wing nationalist for, for the 20 years that he was in, involved in agitation. i would put it that way. that's it. but that's uh, forgotten there. youtube videos where he refers to migrants as cockroaches. okay. or migrant workers is a, a tooth decay in russian society. and then he played this kind of reformer, anti corruption role and he with himself was convicted of, of, of corruption. george i already points on. i want to be very clear that extremism

thing kind of mystifies me, but that's a part of the law that can be easily interpreted in the way you want. but then they've all need that as being harold in the west is not the only the people know in russia. yeah, but also i think the only in the west is i think we should make it very clear that perhaps both of his demise above the reason why ends up in prison was because of the west and methylated because of him getting so close to the americans and progress in the european so, i mean there is that there's a film circulating, i don't know if it's more of him talking about $20000000.00. it needs to fundamental position in the campaign. yeah, i think that's going to be um, a really dumbing point rule. blacks bolt on his career that he was gonna do. my dad that was not no one in rush. it was surprised by that. ok. i mean that, that, that just a certified in the minds of most people that he is just a tool of the west. keep going. yeah. when i put the thing us, but i think we shouldn't be surprised without me. shouldn't be surprised that he's

going to continue to be as to what others are west as his wife will be. you know, i'm not just touched on the point that there seems to be this, turn dest environment with a, you need to is to unaware, or just don't want to see how the rest is out of control machine going on in many western european countries, particularly, but some where we are losing freedoms, we are losing our democratic principles. we are losing our liberties. you know, 20 years ago we would probably put on page 3 of the some of the times a big piece about. so in showing that how protest is rest or even general is to film protest as a risk that is happening today in great prison. we are arresting justice, please. um, bundling into the back of the police vans quite aggressively. jealousy pulled out a small phones and just recalled what we called, b roll, just some basic footage. you know? because what are they afraid of where, you know there is this mentality now and to this country is the police represent

the front line of gulf ultra credit control and the anything to confront stuff. anything that may shakes this institution has to be dealt with quite. we're not in the most abrupt as way and i think we'd, we'd lost touches. uh and so let me a little bit when this this, you know, this, this is the political correct. so it makes the news. i think we can expect a world leaders. we expect us to live on the land. oh my god, i almost wanted to vomit when she talked about values on values. you know, i mean, foot, say well, you talking about women, your values or your values. um, just to blame. watching julia assigned the british prison, you know, and you met some goals, are there before, you know, for all your values, just too slow. so another 500 children today and gaza, you know, i mean, look good. say this just well, you know, you know, martin's, you know, throw it up there at the george i, i think i've figured it out. you can have values when you're an elected official. what do you like to see?

i, i think so, it's like, it's always bizarre. what watching her as if she's a political lead to just simply, i'm elected the but the that is the model is actually the right about the issue of values. she's also advise, because stolen by the nato secretary general also lost the thought about it. we, we, we have values, they don't. and the key thing is that, um, they never get challenged on this. they never get, uh, a box about these uh, you know, they leave that visible values. in the case of julian, this is absolutely front incentive. how do you justify keeping in prison? uh someone is not being in prison 5 years who has not been convicted or anything. just easy has been convicted of nothing in in the u. k. um, and he's being held for 5 years in a high security, a prison and that, you know, let me know and i would really have awesome these questions. and if should anyone,

even danes will ask the question, they would be immediately laid out by security. and, you know, as i saw her, these are some terrible suggest a person who doesn't really know how to behave in a proper a social setting. and so this is, this is really the, the point with the, uh, the, you know, the nato and the land is that they simply convinced that if they, the russians will, a chinese, other ones would be evil. this is what they do to the political opponents and when, and you know, when you points out to them what, you know, hey, what he, what, what are you doing here? here are the political opponents here with people being thrown into prison. here, people just being kept the year off the air and present. um, you know, the vessels that i, i, they, and they threw out a ramo the best to say, what was just what about as of word this just didn't talking points. and again, we, you know, it's true if we go back to the january of the 6 there's, you know, thousands of people have been incarcerated, send to send, send to links,

they present to us. and again, for longer terms then uh, you know, not enough on it and still they get through with what we have values. what are all these values? where are these bad? well, you know, it's interesting martin is that, um again we, we see a case where someone's death is quite useful for the powers that be because this is a, you know, we're going to talk about the, the munich security conference and the 2nd half of the program but this is one of the highlights of the security conference in munich is that, you know, we have a, a supportive is rail support of, of ukraine and another battering ram against russian. this time it's in the volume it's, it's, it's very useful for these people. it's incredibly useful and you know, in the here in union we should always remember, it's not a democratic body, it's a, it's an ulcer clinic, but it is a sort of the antithesis of democracy on the national state level. united site was

designed by design. it was great instead of the, it could rust through some policies that were never got through the democratic way and you know, and there was this belief settled by the french leads at that time to the end of the war in the fifty's. this was a way to develop and to move forward and asked to sort of bypass the democratic stuff that we've just been waiting and going way you know. and people are still going to the delay and sort of get back to them. but you know, they, they, they, i'm diva host at all, those federalist and brussels, you know, milk in the gravy train, you know, and paying that drum, you know, they're all coming out now with this same own commitment which we hear again and again, the last few days, you know, and it's been repeated to just to, in the last couple of days, you know, that your needs to be bigger. it needs to have more money for defense. you know, and this, this, this, this uh, unfortunate billing that will have to jump in here. we have to go to a break that all be through nato, not the european union gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our to

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france, and the united states joined in the robbery of china. the anglo french troops defeated the chinese occupied basie and committed an unprecedented robbery. destroyed and blundered the wealth of the un menu one palace. the defeat of the jing dynasty and the do opium wars fled to the transformation of the celestial empire into a semi colony of european states and started each age of humiliation. and the sale of opium took on collazo proportions and led to the horrible depths of millions of ordinary chinese. the welcome at the prospect boyfriend's, i'm peter, about revenge. we're discussing some wellness and george i want to go to, you know, i said in the 1st part of the program that we would discuss the munich security conference. they used to be an inverse thing venue. i mean,

i would follow what you would follow and we would, it would sometimes would be some very interesting guess. vladimir putin made a very historic one many years ago, which for told what would happen in ukraine. it is happened. um, uh, not that i'm say he can predict the future, but you can connect the dots. and if you, there's a certain thought process that goes forward for that. um, without any kind of restraint, we're going to have a conflict. we have that now. but you know, the minute conference now is just, it's very jingle with stick. um it's, it seems extremely controlled, but they don't, they don't talk about security. this is what irritates me so much. the issue of security is never mentioned. you know, when you look at the, the, the, the big names you know, mister zalinski was there we have done about and his wife is there, very orchestrated here and they're not talking about the security situation in europe now. they're looking to bolster

a failing regime in cube to batter against russia. again, luminaries in munich, presumably, experts in security, kamala harris is there, another experts that they, they don't call for a ceasefire in 1000 for you, you would say, but these are weights have enough. you know, clout it and, and, and influence the say, well, we've talked about security here and you know, the security of the middle east, what we shouldn't have ceased, they can't even get there. we talk about everything. it seems like, except for security george, today us the right the, the, the, the, what they mean by security is security for themselves. they don't know exactly by security for anyone else because they say they did take that seriously global security and then they would invite and leave this alone with the well and ask them, well, what the security means the you mean the? yeah, they go to, um, you know, and those 3 what a security means on those career. what does security mean for iran?

um and they would get surprising answers. and so that was, that's why they would prefer, say, well, secure to our secure. that's all that really matches. but what's interesting, and that's really highlights the problem that nato isn't about protection. it is a protection racket. and the apple that literally only thing that that's on the mind is how do we keep was going for as long as possible. so that at this media immunity security conference, the anguish they had was from mice come back let's, this is the 9 that trump will come back. now, you know, they like it. you know, they can go back and do the trunk is what you're saying. we're relatively peaceful, literally. oh, that was, it was was, it wasn't anything as bad as what we have today, but this will be a nightmare. the truck might bring was doing and it might, you know, he might well, he might not. i mean, he also sent lethal weapons to ukraine, so we don't know,

but it's closing them night mess. he might come back and he might just bring was to an end. and that's, that's just terrible. and that's why in the, at munich they, they, they try to, as a badge of the republicans look, look in the volley. it's the wrong that you have to sign off on this uh $60000000000.00 where you credit even though what's the connection between the 2 of us on the system tells you you got to get that money in. and so that's, that's the thrust of this conference. they just rating the republicans would be sufficient eagerness to throw more money into that slow the unit. it would seem to be sure that's kind of a form of election meddling from an outside, of course, but i don't know if the discount that 100 out there, you know, market a georgia is. right. i mean, they only want to talk about their security, but i feel a little bit further, a little bit more new in the security of their class and of their id ology. okay. the security of the gemini, they were, it will be continued uninterrupted. and if not expand, this is what this is all about. the indivisibility of security is not in their

lexicon. any longer, martin? yeah, i thought it was just basically a, a very wrong lower slide press conference. you know, it was really what about and then chose that's the right above the point of security rocket rather than this other and creating a real defense strategy and what ways people talking about. they will read that to try and keep the old school going and keep the old messages of life and keeping everything in checks and making sure that everybody was on message. but the interesting thing from a john, this perspective is there weren't any precedent. what was the agenda as soon as they have structured the event to such a way quite cleverly, actually that they invite to top general is to i see share this of a 20 minute or 30 minute sessions. so that was a way of taking the books to say, well, we don't actually have to do live on scripted. quick question from john. is that which i didn't, you know, and you have these terribly, really contracts planted questions which made me almost

a lot for one point. i'm the, the, the, the credit and pays the rent to rent a golf to you was tons of a cult members. name someone will correct me. you know, he had his question, it was so thought that it was so little constraints in the moment he done. you know, christian, i'm a pull, is that okay with us enough to and now we hit, we run out of time. you know, so thanks very much. so i guess there's, there's no media interest in the tool and i think nowadays that that, but they didn't want the buffet to get cold. george, i think that's probably what it was like i, i, i'm sure the menus of these things are really quite impressive. okay. but i mean, martin brings up a really good point in that way. we see it. and it's interesting that we know we've kind of thrown in like a january 6th. we have in the fall and the we have the guns i will live. are we in a one time will be a power doesn't want to be interrogated, do they? they don't want to be challenged. they weren't, it's getting worse and worse. and plus, it's something that martin can attest to. here is a media journalist. they're on the side of power, but they're, they're there. they praetorian guard george that they do exactly on the side of

power and that's why they continually so you know, like attack dogs, a leash against anyone or told who challenges it. so like carlson entered the that's a very good example. the goal of the attacks against the top across on the he had the temerity to go to moscow to interview any important will leave the but he didn't ask hard questions now these years never email lies. oscar talk quest. if you, if you, where, when was the last time any journalist went into uh, the oval office, an awesome bind. and um, what the hell are you doing? and you pray and how is this in any way benefiting the americans with benefit and ukrainians, benefiting anybody or asking why is that the pursuing julia massage, i mean is, is this, you know, get these a general is why why you want to put him away. the presence of the rest of his life,

they never do that. it is always kind of morning like, well, what do you think were going to do about the threat to democracy by donald trump? i'm is the president. and is that that's the level of the questions you get to. so, so then to do criticised a topic, also for softball questions, because nobody's able ever the game just just to go to an am a and a nato press conference and with the questions, it always is nato doing enough to come to russia. what do i do or you have is media class. i mean, i've been there and i've been, shouldn't be called media, but that they're the ones that are more hot, they're always more hawkish. there's a, you know, with more retaliation, more retaliation. you know, we, it's, it's very into the, are you watch the sunday shows in the united states and in the, it's a kind of a perverse, the defensiveness, the be by ministration has like you're not doing enough. you know, and i mean,

when we look back was a, we're going down to the pots of a 3rd world war. and it's a very artificial conversation that the powers that be and the media have, which of course none of these people may have ever been on a battlefield. most likely martin go, you have to. yeah, i have, i've been on a few in my career, but the point i think that towards making use it is, is let me sort of, i think come, it's knows that tucker, call some of tough questions. the other thing is the questions with that top they were just really the kind of questions the my journalist interns or university were put together on a back on envelope. they've been doing well lead or they were just basically wrote a mentally normal questions that you know anybody would come up with. and we should be asking ourselves why, why does somebody like to come have to ask those questions in the 1st place and the answers because nobody else is of the to and then what's happening in my career is i've seen the transition of you know, general is moving slowly over towards the political model to align themselves with

the establishment with the intelligence services and everything. and robin b, you know, the results of that sort of angry, young man, strong stones, you know, at establish what we, what was, was the case in britain, in the $0.60 made, says that we, we distinguish a sales by paying mc establishment against the french jim is now with the same rule pro establishment. we're all part of, you know, the conspiracy. and let's get back to, you know, to this, this conference is ridiculous conference. you know, this really was an opponent example. you know, of the late spring turn deaf and not really understanding what's going on if they can, they can actually stink, or they can pull the will over our eyes and come up with this nonsense and come up with these, these constant messages. you know, of that nature has to be bigger, you know, defense funding has to go up. you know, we have to prepare ourselves, you know, what sort of a delay in came up with that and i, she wasn't really challenged. nobody said, well why, you know, um, what, where, where's this whole going? where's so heading? you know, but i think the conference itself, um, you know, for me it was known events and even though you know, 50 well, they just turned up to it. but look at their media coverage was all,

tell me anything that was sold because they didn't, they don't really have much to say. i mean, the big problem is we've got a problem in the world comp resolve. so we need to feet and lie on and then come up with these disorders, plans to protect people like us, little delay. so they still have that power. there's 2, but the 2 ups insulting but, and i'm sure it's mike also speaks english breaking news. he actually speaks english, i believe, with a huff with a can string together even a sentence, a gentleman, but apparently well george, short to the sergeant schultz is a half way who can speak english. so what george? yeah, it's, i, i'm not very impressed by it because the sergeant schultz. most gentleman speak a pretty good english and honest, but it's a, it's a read. it goes to this list, the salient issue here, which is this, the munich secure of the conference. it is now, you know, the thrust of it is how much more money can we get to ukraine?

that's going to give you a hundreds of thousands of that. do you want to go kill in other a few 100000 with a view to want what, what do you try to achieve here? you know, there's a, you got yourself into this rule for no reason. that's all your brain is not a member of maybe or another member the you. there was no reason for you to get it or why. what is the reason what it was? the explanation were. and again, this is what have journalist shouldn't be doing that job, which is the challenges that what is the reason for this? and then i'll doing it and i'll go see what needs to be brought up again. so that's, that's another thing you would just say. at what point you're going to just say, oh, you know, i mean, you know, he's just going just keep repeating it. you know, leave is on be like way, october, the 7th, october the 7th. but this is all they do. so what is any of this got to do with security? let's just the boys was going, oh and it started another one in, in, in the, against the who was using the receipt. right? you know, and then this is the alliance. you know, the somehow i a, yeah they,

oh it's, it's, it's the, it's the munich and security conference that's essentially what it is. great more in security, and then to get more budgetary funds to, to keep these wars going. gentleman, that's all the time we have one, i think my guess americas and in budapest and of course i want to thank our be worse for watching us here are to you. so you next time. remember, across the rules, the move when i would show the wrong just don't you have to shape house because after kids and engagement equals the trail, when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground,

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