[000:00:00;00] the, the town itself is suddenly under the control of the russian forces. there are no sabotaged groups. there's no ukrainians. there's no ukrainians who left here who decided to stay here willingly. the strategic city all about the f that is liberated as russian on forces of evacuated schools of wounded ukrainian sleep who apparently left for dead pipes p a c is waiting for him. it is to close the brazilian preston. so the non grata following his comparison of the goals and conflicts to the home of the distressing images from dall. so what are the

17 civilians are reportedly killed in a massive way that these radius flying from a central part of the enclave hitting a refugee the a very warm welcome to us. just as for pm here in the russian capital, the new of watching onto the international with the latest. well, news updates is great to have our top story russian full say, is this even full control of the city near don't? yet, that's off the ukrainian troops hastily retreats from the strategic location. all tease equal stano is on this thing to us throughout the day that we have been working here. we have been hearing gunshots, and we have been hearing brushing tillery and well ukrainian artillery as well, working hard and going up each other. but 1st and foremost, the town itself is firmly under the control of the russian forces. there are no,

uh, sabotage groups. there's no ukrainians, or there's no ukrainians who left here who decided to stay here willingly. rather leap was a mess over we over a withdrawal. and so not everybody's simply got the got the order to full back towards las, which can and so on and so forth. we're working with it with the mining cruise and with the well, with a sort of teams that whose main task is to clear everything to clear anyone who may have remained hidden in the basement. so over all these buildings and the, what i have to say is that since a lot of ukrainian troops presumably were left here were abandoned by their own combined, they may be hiding basements, and they may be looking to obtain civilian clothing so that they could disguise themselves as locals, and so that they could evacuate fast to russia and then 2 of the and well then probably to go home and try to sneak back into ukraine. this is the tactic that we

have seen in pretty much every town, every major city here in the don't bass that was liberated by the russian on forces . of course i will group, i will be bringing you more form of dave. i will be bringing you more reports. this is just a sneak peak into and you can probably hear you can probably hear tillery working. this is because the fighting is ongoing. ukrainian, the russian forces are trying to forbid to prohibit the ukrainian, the account by the ukrainian enemies from a gaming of foothold uh new positions that are closer to up. dave, good, which is very, very important, of course, because the, the main goal of liberates that you make specific, you've been, that's safe because it hasn't do violent violent settings. in the past months of the after coke plants, the largest coal processing facility in europe has been slowly cleared. according

to most go, russian forces, say they've evacuated, they have a 20 wounded to clarity and soldiers who had been hold up in the plants and nearby stragglers were apparently a bond. and by that come on business kids troops fled the city before it was fully taken by russia over the weekend. here's what we heard from several service men who now control of the record. since their exit was unplanned, they abandoned their injured soldiers and their uninsured fighters. generally the officers and also of units were the 1st to withdrawn on what they should have come on. the near their command abandoned them, they had no communications. i would say the guys were new here. they didn't know the terrain. the guys were confused and panicking. this. suppose it shows russian troops moving through the streets about the of the of the ukrainians flood mon clearance operations a currently underway. i'll to show you, but it's still going to be significant. so be decisive. victory. this is a city central to you claims defense as in dumbass, it's a city view,

creating an army had been for defining since 2014. and it's important up until the russian troops defeated the canadian army. there was no secret with savanski himself confirming this only months ago. but the simone you are, i wish you health settle ukrainians of div our positions. our guys, ukraine is defending its own here, defending our entire nation, just as on the entire front line. it seems the landscape very public declaration of the gates of, of gift, was a case of death towards defenders. it also made the humiliating defeat and retreat all the more painful to break to its founders at the munich security conference. so what to do? well, that's easy, certainly become concerned with the lives of your soldiers, the same soldiers the landscape has asked to die in the hundreds of thousands for his western partners. this mike wash and munich, but it certainly doesn't in moscow. but as the last of the day, i'm not sure who it is important to save our people is. this is the most important task for us. we take care of other people from our warriors because this is

protection. no, not because of this, but because the president and he's can know how to fight totally for big money, which go straight into the pockets and only against civilians. nothing else matters to them. ukraine's new commander alexander c. escape gave to come on to a tree after ukrainian forces, again to flee their positions, leaving any hopes of an early symbolic victory for the new commander, smoldering in the ruble alongside large amounts of western supply hardware. thousands of ukrainians died due to this decision, one, his predecessor, whether he's illusion, he had a legend, the suggest to take place. months earlier, because local what was the subject of the order of the ukrainian armed forces commander in chief seriously to abandon the city was issued only a day after your grand troops begin fleet. uncontrolled from of the day of the measures are currently being taken to finally clear the city of militants. the liberation of data has made it possible to move the front line away from the nets, thereby significant the security from terrorist attacks by the criminal receiving

key. and while the long suffering people have done this, re the saw you for leaf savanski has decided that the incompetence and strategic foolishness have nothing to do with the loss of the critical territory. neither did the overwhelming power of the russian army was all the west faults. they just couldn't give them enough cash, whatever it was for a whole. but we are very much counting on a positive decision by congress. this package is vital for us. we are not considering an alternative today because we count on the united states as our strategic partner. if we talk about an alternative, it means that it is not our strategic partner. well, handshakes and round of applause are fine, but it's a rounds of ammunition that savanski needs. and as of today, that crucial us aid package still seems nowhere to be seen. all this comes as the byte and whitehouse piles on the guilt suggesting that the fall of of vehicle was directly linked to claims lack of age, but was saying that even joe biden seems on sure,

with the russians can be stopped. all right, so as another strategically crucial ukrainian stronghold falls, it's getting harder and harder for zalinski to maintain credibility of the west. is popularity is tanking. the money is drawing up and as west and backers are increasingly feeling that they back the wrong horse in queue. yes, and one thing is absolutely certain of div may not only to find a military turning point in ukraine. you may also come to the find a political one to the russian defense. i mean, history advocate is key of, of using for hibbits who have technical weapons on the bottles failed as well. convincing acts of terror this day with this will be bringing you more details on this later in the program. the, the is where the foreign minister has declared brazilian presidents needed to silva

so non grata following comments. the made on the goal is a conflict, luna compared it to the whole cost, but it stays the nation which was persecuted is now commissioning b as far as the t's e chevy federal file. it is a brutal anti semitic attack on the jewish people and the state of israel. i would like to pass this message on to the brazilian president in my name and the name of the people of israel fire that we will not forgive. and he is a persona non grata in israel unless he takes his words back and apologizes for the volume as well as the correspondence here. well, it is about joins me in the studio now with more details on this for you rather me, thanks for coming in this monday. so, you know, strong works that from little to silver. what kind of reaction have we had it from as well? well, i person on growth has been the reaction, right? it's been very negative for me is wrong. now, president lula is hardly the 1st person to make this comparison. and israel is

responding in a way that's not surprising because they see this as an a, an a war against the mos. right. and president lula basically said, what is happening in gaza today in modern history is comparable to what was being done to jews fostering before world war 2. and is, in fact a genocide. and he actually went on further to say that it is a genocide of mainly women and children. let's have a listen to what he said. you for the you don't realize that god is not a war, but a genocide because it's not a war between soldiers. it's a war between a highly prepared army against women and children. what's happening in gaza with the posting and people, does it exist in any other time in history? in fact, only happen when people are decided took you to use. but as i said, is role is insulted as they see this as defending themselves from home off who they consider a terrorist organization. now it's not surprising that is really prime minister

benjamin netanyahu was outraged and actually issued a very strong statement against elizabeth for expressing this comparison. going as far as to call him an anti semite. let's listen. the president of brazil by comparing visuals war in gaza again from us a genocidal terraced organization to the holocaust. president supervisor displaced the memory of 6000000 jews murdered by the nazis and his demonized to escape. like the most virulent anti semite you should be ashamed of himself. now, apart from the prime minister, the holocaust chairman of the chairman of the holocaust museum actually also said that this statement by lula was ignorant. and it was outrageous. and he also said the comparison was false once again, because israel to them is a sovereign states that is fighting against attached by him off. and of course this happened on october 7th,

so they're going back to saying they are defending themselves against these terrorists. and what we're seeing is that israel has been accusing anybody who disagrees with their actions as being an anti semite. and obviously best is now the debate that has been ongoing low balled lou, this comparison is indeed so big. does it mean that it is an accurate, i mean, giving the numbers of innocence that we're seeing being killed and injured on a daily basis and the rest of it being used? right. so if you look at the latest figures right now that we're getting from the palestinian health ministry, at least 29000 people have died and over 69000 people are actually injured. and that is not counting all of the people that might be stuck in the rubble that are not accounted for. the people that are injured in hospitals that have been under attack that don't have the necessary sanitary medical weapons to actually operate. and so now, according to international law,

israel is also an occupation that shouldn't be doing what they're doing. and this was reminded by the i c j when they actually said, but israel doesn't have the right to do what they're doing in spite of what happened on october 7th. and in spite of what it's almost did as an occupying power . but palestine does. and so for mos, as we mentioned earlier, has always been what israel has. you're saying that the one goal is to eradicate all of them off. well, many argue that that is not possible. and for one, we've also been getting word so of attacks that don't constitute going after him off. for example, there have been journalists covering news in the west bank and the west bank does not have home us. we have also heard of israel's, of course, most recent attack in rasa where it was an area where they told palestinians to go and seek refuge. and now we're talking about millions over a 1000000 palestinians there. and then of course we saw that on friday, they went after raso started bombing rasa,

including hospitals in areas of refuge. so that does not constitute going after from us. that is the question that is being brought upon israel and it seems to me, and it's, well, it seems to a lot of people that the issue is now more of an attempt to get rid of post. and he has forcibly full push them out of where they're at and of course, get them out as any means necessary. and that is something that is being largely criticized with egypt. supposedly the ones to take. all of these people in to which egypt has replied that they don't have the infrastructure or money because there are already many people there as well. so it seems like palestinians are stuck in limbo and is rarely have also criticized is real. the is really government's actions. let's listen to that one. if i see victory, i see older infrastructure be any way. i see that they don't have one house not destroyed. i see congress of thousands fling like nag back working towards big xhylia. so is even other people of, of,

of jewish belief and other is really they're starting to criticize their own government. and we've also seen this with the protests, of course, wanting a ceasefire, and wanting to trade some of the palestinians of for the hostages that remain at home off hands. you're seeing now more of the further development in how the world is reacting to israel's absence. i know it's the holocaust as well and that was one of the greatest tragedies in human history. so there's a kind of movies i renee isn't this is well now to be accused of committing such atrocities on a par with the hollow cost. well, you said it yourself, mickey, it is, it's start iran and it seems like the situation and gauze it is in many ways similar because of the desk told that we mentioned in the specific targeting of palestinians as a group. but also again, according to the un and other international human rights organizations, we're seeing that they have called garza an open air present. and because

a guy who cannot move freely, they can't travel by airliners, speed, their food, their water, all of it is controlled by israel. and in fact a there, you have to get a permit to get out of that side. and that's often times not approved, even if you have a cancer diagnosis or a treatment that you need. and so how city ins have no other areas to seek refuge. now when we looked at what happened and rough uh they have no where to go. so many active as of pull that an actual concentration camp. so again, this isn't the 1st time we hear that comparison, which is ironic and greatly tragic to be seen that at this moment and again, egypt and jordan borders are also controlled by israel. so there are no visas given there is no rescue that we saw during the time of the holocaust. before the holocaust, we've seen the rescues of humanitarian organizations start. we can't get all of these people out. so what we're seeing here is in some way some have said this might be worse because if this continues, the numbers are climbing and climbing and there's really no solution to this. so again,

this is why so many activists and so many world leaders are speaking out and the russian foreign minister himself said that this is not an excuse that israel can not continue to be using the excuse of the holocaust. it usually is rarely as can create the impression that because they suffer during world war 2, they can do anything today. yes, there was a hollow cost, it's a terrible crime. but there was also a genocide of all the peoples of the soviet union. they suffered no less as they were exterminated in various concentration camps in leningrad together with the jews. according to this logic, then everything should be possible and allowed for us now as well. this in principle is probably systemic, and not good if we want to preserve international law. so clearly, not only a president, a brother, brazilian president little or the silver, but russian for minister. so he lived rob have said that this is not an excuse. and using that comparison of the holocaust has become reoccurring because of the fact

that we're seeing such high death rates and just discontinue focus on palestinians as being people that need to be move somewhere without regard to the conditions that they're in the conditions where hospitals don't have what's necessary, they're not getting enough food. we're not even talking about the psychological effects on these people as well as the amount of food that they don't have that a lot of people are starving or diseases that they might get. so again, this is something that needs to be dealt with. the entire world is now really focused on and the entire world perspective has seemed to have shifted for israel to stop there onslaught. and for there to be a sort of ceasefire to stop all this massacre and date is that the situation is absolutely desperate to say a relatively thanks for coming in with those details. appreciate it. thank a wallet for 70 civilians were killed on sunday nights and his ladies strikes on the central ponds. while the enclave including a refugee camp, was according to palestinian officials. now you might find the following images

upsetting this message that we have been unable to independently verify is now, so i cannot using online in the off the mazda. if this strikes, it appears to show the victims many of whom women and children, schools authorities are seen on the flows. one wounded survivors have rushed to hospital. 5 red crescent rescue is. and these obsessing scenes, showing massive scale of devastation also be is way the phone 5 minutes of the news around the refugee time. many buildings have been flattened with locals from take ne, sifting through the rubble hoping to find anyone who might still be alive. meanwhile, and is really well cabinet administer has the right to is to invite you to the southern most golf in the city of russell, where around one and a half 1000000 displays, palestinians of sheltering the world. less slow in how much leaders must will if by rama done hostages multiple the fighting. we

continue to include rough area. we really do a so called united mit of facilitating the, to ation of civilians in dialogue with the american egyptian palaces and meaning. what do we do most the civilian casualties as much as possible. the west side of defense ministry says it have proof that k of forces have repeatedly used us, may use chemical weapons during the ukrainian conflicts. it's like one of the ukraine with the complicity of western countries does not limit itself to the use of non lethal chemicals and actively use a scheduled chemicals. i would like to draw attention to the statement by representatives of the armed forces of ukraine about the availability of such compounds at their disposal, including equivalents of the weaponized nerve agent to boon, which is included in list one of the chemical weapons convention and was used by the fastest invaders during the great patriotic war,

basketball days house now for multi correspondent a my age are not good to see you today. so we just heard that from the russian biological and technical defend cease. what more did he have to say on the issue a? so russian officials came out with great detailed information about how you quain is using chemical weapons, not only in the battle field, but also to carry out terrorist attacks. now they've given some examples of that, most notably, the case of russian politicians loved him or sol though who was hospitalized with signs of poisoning. now when his analysis came out, it turns out that they found a substance in his blood. there is in the convention on the prohibiting of chemical weapons. another case is the one of the head of the administration of the guns people's republic who was also hospitalized with, with size of severe poison in width, phenolic comp, pounds. now in december of last year, a gas grenades with the, with c as substance the that is this is

a substance that is said to cause skin burns, respiratory problems as well as heart attacks were dropped on russian forces. this is also a substance. the that is, belongs to the class of riots, chemical riots, control chemicals in the end of january, another toxic chemical was used against the russian forces. and this time, this talks with chemical is actually banned into you. and you said to cause blindness and liver and kidney issues. but this is, these are not limited cases because uh, the russian officials went to great details and on other cases as well. but here you have it ukrainians, ukrainian army is essentially using chemical weapons that were provided to us by the west, against a russian forces. and this was a point that was further emphasized by the russian and nuclear and chemical defense chief. let's take

a listen to you so much so according to available information. the key of regime with the assistance of western curators is developing a new tactic of conducting military operations using a special chemical built. it provides for the destination of containers with pressik acid and ammonia during the advance of russian troops. it is assume that such tactics will significantly complicate the activities of offensive operations of the armed forces of the russian federation and provide key of with additional time to prepare defensive lines in the zap, rosie car call ven sumi regions. now russia did accuse the united states of not destroying its chemical weapons as both countries have previously agreed to do. so . and moscow also accuses washington of providing ukraine with those same weapons. now on its side, russia did destroy its chemical weapons stockpiles, as they've promised previously. and russian officials also laid out lists of violations and non compliance by the united states,

with the requirements to develop non lethal chemical weapons. so here you have, you have ukraine, that is essentially using chemical weapons in the battle field that were provided to with, by the was specifically by the united states. and that is as trust by russian officials, hey, many things for those data. and so i thought they correspond to do my, my a job. thank you. let's continue the conversation now. that's possible. i to autonomy and we'll correspondent andre chevy. money, thanks for joining us on. the program stays very nice to see you. so now we have russia accusing the us of both and supplying ukraine with chemical weapons ons leaving them behind and state side panama and come bowed. yeah, well they should, could washington have allowing the spread of such weapons given the how does this environmental and global health impacts the 1st of all of all, i will, i will like to say that the in the bus mom, so i, so

a lot of videos about the use edge of such a weapon. so with the ammonia, our chlorine, for example, i, sol, videos where a, some of the needs made that we to some chemical change. uh, what was the laser to buy their own against that i can solve this. and i think that this uh, they use a joke. uh such weapons is confirmed by a lot of sources. so they tell us of the us about this weapon is clearly to get to the ukranian army. the possibility to fight against the russians sold this in other ways. so if they can not, um, can upset some weapon or weapon system legally in the ukraine. do the party to cut the problem saying was sent on in the congress? this is the way that the your black way to was

a support ukrainian army against that are from phillips. and of course is one of the most terrible way that they choose to, to use. because of the objective of a such chemical weapons is uh, the main objective is to uh, transmit a security and there are and has an s to the restaurant. so just because it's such why it's early out to, to fight against the chemical agents and the for, for these reason the, my opinion, my perspective is that the, the, you can are, may want to, of me want to heats the more out of the reference, old yes or as we hugs andrea, the implications of such weapons are incredibly grave. do you expect any reaction from the international community to the russian defense industries?

claims absolute, the no, because the, the international community the but then to not see the use of drugs, these weapons. so like, uh, media and all the things that uh, happened now in the bought the fee of the boss and um, no original fracturing ukraine and bailey, on those things, that's a happened of the, in the past year. so here in the us. so i think uh also these thought because they use of a, can we go up on um will be a 3 it would be in your by the international community. i'm sure most goes also claim that the us has a long history of destroying chemical indiscriminately and without permission from the organization for the probation of chemical weapons. how is this allowed to happen? where with a loopholes that allow that to happen? it is clear that the usaa is not on us,

the when the american policy, for example, say that the day we do, they, they want to respect such a 3 d about so it can become weapons or nuclear weapons or their think. so because they use a does face a policy for the 1st place i and one side they say the car. so we want to respect the these international 3 they we want to respect over international and delta side they made the other thing. so like, is convenient for them. if it's not convenient for them to destroy chemical weapons, they cannot make this and use these weapons when they open 22, it's coming like now. so i think it's a political problem that the international community tend to not see anything. so speaking to us today is how the in will correspondent underway,

lucida. appreciate it. thank you. thank you. you. thank you you too. bye. thanks me . many. thanks to you for joining us. hey, on, on the international this monday, coming your way next option. what times we have the latest episode of going on the ground and i'll be back with more news in 30 minutes. the mouse sooner than say, welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the middle east today, the so called world quarter game puts the u. s. u, u k. on israel on trial for another genocide like case, tens of thousands, mostly women and children. have been killed by nature weapons in gaza, while russia and china repeatedly voted the un security council for cease 5. egypt is now wary of his riley ethnic cleansing of more than

a 1000000 palestinians at the rough crossing. it's opposed in public, even by joe biden, and is western european proxies whose bottoms have now attracted rock syria. human lebanon, and palestine. professor at the time is given the lifetime achievement award by the british academy, author of the new book, 3 wills, memoirs of an arab, julie's america's professor of international relations at oaks with the domestic incident. one of israel's new historians, you joins me now from oaks, which thank you so much for visitors trying for coming on the show. so. well, i used to be with you. you said that the industrial scale small as a may have taken israel to the verge of committing genocide. why the verge on what evidence you so far? i've seen in recent days will because i made these comment by some time ago when there was some doubt. but today i have no hesitation in saying that toward use or at least doing garza and mom's to