the adults in the room? well, i think says the statements, but friends of mine were beneath the office of the presidency. frankly and present prudence appeared with his remarks to be the adult in the room and was very professional in his response and then almost made light of it. but um, i think um his response was presidential, whereas unfortunately present binds was a somewhat juvenile some people say the as the mentor. other people say that he's upset because he's not getting his way with respect to the funding of. ready the ukraine and some other projects is he hasn't been successful as the president. how important is a rock star? is the enemy narrative to continuing america's prompts of war in ukraine? it's impaired to continue this falls. you know, in order to have

a bill promote this, this funding of most of which goes to american contractors in the military, industrial, complex and lobby as in washington and then ultimately to congressman similar. so in order to have that you have to have an enemy and it doesn't matter what russia does, doesn't matter what present food does, they'll be vilified and made this scape go that you're in order to continue this funding and wash to file that. so for now i've next time put in a long costs the whole time will be lock the lives of all the bye for now, the the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered non peter roosevelt,

the united states. it is orbit of basso states or the coalition against peace from ukraine to gaza. it is the fight in ministration. it is against most of the world. and historic wind is blowing against the west, the cross hockey in palestine. i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he is a legal in media analyst and ro we have ramsey my route. he is a palestinian authoring journalist and b route. we cross allen, a medina. he is a coordinator for the policy need one democratic state initiative in 11th. alright, gentlemen, cross black rules and effects. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate ramsey. let me go to you 1st here. i mean, we were uh, in the, after below the united states for the 3rd time rejecting a cease fire at the united nations security council. quite interesting in, in a man i usually don't quote on this program. if i do quote it, it's very disparagingly is joseph burrell. we who is what

b e. u high commissioner for foreign policy. and he was set in a recent venue that there is a historic wind blowing against the west. his words and the rejection of the united states almost singularly alone in the world again to cease fire, put to, to put the 2 together for me. so the world knows what he's talking about peter. i mean, this is a man who kind of assigns himself to these kinds of hype understanding of the world in the he referred west to europe as a jungle and as a, as a guardian and the rest of the world is a jungle. this fine to so he thinks in philosophical terms, and he knows he knows that he's correct. that in fact, the united states has deprived itself but also its western allies and its allies anywhere in the world from any kind of legitimacy to, uh, to international law, to, uh, conflict resolution. i mean, the fact that, uh, the uh, we deal with beach or for the 3rd time,

not doing any sort of political decisions that could be to personalizing the with being is real. but rather up, she is between media to him and he gives his buyer to steve. oh, and what about the children are dying from hunger in northern goes up and people are dying in the i was is in the go this should yet the united states still found that objectionable. so how would you just be probably the biggest on to the national law? how do you just to play that one on based on political expediency or necessity, there is no moral legal, ethical, or political justification to the behavior of the united states as the u. s. legitimacy since its allies, well, all of the rest are going to sink as well, all this separately through the u. k is. so i'm mentioning the possibility of

limiting some parts to these really military because they see the historical wind blowing against them. you know, line of, you know, j a joe biden, you know, even on his best days is, is a bit confused, and i'm being generous here and it's been released to the media that he has some quite disparaging things to say about policy is rarely prime minister netanyahu words i can't pronounce on this program, but you could well imagine the most powerful man in the world is being pulled around by the nose, by the israeli prime minister. and only thing the boat abiding can do is swear. lionel i would like if i could to, to call my segment of the natives are clueless or view from the fish bowl because i represent to you what is happening, what i see here in my country. i don't want to speak for the west, but i'll speak for american media by 1st question that i have to ask everybody and you gentlemen perhaps maybe, can help me with this. why do we use the term ceasefire?

it would be you, you, it, that americans believe is somehow how mouse isn't this? there is a battle going on in there. there is just firing that. that is real to say, we will stop firing when you hum us retreat from your miles of tunnels and i'm thinking of myself, there is no, it is unilateral, we don't need a ceasefire. one could argue just stop firing. it's like if i take you hostage and i negotiate a ceasefire, the police are going to say we have a no, no, it's you, you've taken this. so that's the 1st thing. the 2nd problem we have is americans in american media still don't understand the term genocide. we have to change this. they're taking a railroad cars and house which is and that is true. but we also very quickly have to explain. i see, see, 1st is i c, j. i am still trying to explain to people what that means. we use the terms

interchangeably. so again, from the fish bowl here, while you generate gentlemen live in a more rarefied world, i'm trying to explain the scenario and rudiments of what's happening basically, according my fellow americans with reality. yeah, big line. well, if i can go to our guest and they route out and you know, i, i don't want to sound perverse or anything, but i think it, they set up gas chambers and gaza. it, it still wouldn't change the american administration's position. that's how, how pathetic and terrifying our time is right now. go ahead now and and be root to thank you for having this. i agree. i think that it is indeed pathetic and i think it's good to try and understand what are the powers in the us that are actually benefiting from this situation. because then it's definitely not, not us society that is benefiting from the dentist side. so one of the events that can help us understand what's happening is when we look at a talk, which of these 3 in the lobby in the us are spending tens of millions of dollars

literally by us representatives, side b, u. s. population are electing them. but then a pack is stealing them from the people who elected them to present them. so we also have, we can also see what's happening with the, the capitalist, the nature of the us, for example, in the arguments industry that they called the defense industry. much like the i d . s. and the chief of luck, seat, which makes hundreds of millions of dollars. a said in october 2023 north call for events with the aggression to all the problems can only be solved with weapons and we are ready to deliver these weapons. on the other hand, us society is definitely not benefiting from all this by then to terry and repore. that design is through using so for when buying says the jews are not facing the us . they stand sending a very bad message to you as to as an adult, to us,

non jews. so really the u. s. society needs to be freed from this capital. yeah. but i know how it's really i thought you got the idea to terry and issue. i think i'm glad you brought that up because ramsey, you know, we have the current american representative to be united nations. i think on her 1st day she was saying something like the u. n. has to investigate racism in america, which kind of surprised a lot of people being the ambassador, the united nations. but the united states is protecting one of the most racist societies in the world. israel a suit today, and i mean they don't disclose addictions maybe are obvious to you and to be and, and, and hopefully to an increasing number of americans as well. but it still hasn't between that we just stood with the ruling classes in the united states. i think it's really what can be kind of brought down to this on the very day that that the american representative and the february 20 of the security council. february 20 on that very day in which she was ordered to be till the end of june and visited with

ocean demanding an ink. uh, basically into this we reduce site in gaza and logo is correct. this is, i mean it. but as soon as we get fired back, if this weight is on the fire and at them, so it's not really a ceasefire in a tradition of were sort of says, but that very day by doing as actually we have this is more than me was, has been to do a fund raising a party for if body it is will be in it who is giving a lot of money to the democratic party. so. so this is what it really comes down to a mutual a my pleasure ends with ramsey. we have to be clear, the, the same billionaires that you're making reference to, they give to republicans and the democrat because these say billionaires, they have only one issue is real, okay, that's what i and, and of course, you know, if you, if you don't go along with you get primaries in both parties. ok, that's how dangerous a such a way. pathetic it is. you know, line all it's interesting is that we've heard the term to state solution. i mean,

all of us on this panel and much of our, of audience have heard this all of their lives. okay. but isn't it interesting line, or there are no states stopping the genocide? you know, they talk in a 2 state solution is the ideal which i think is a fraud at this point. but no state. and we can't even say yemen because of who these don't control all of them in button b. this, the international state system is not doing anything to stop in genocide, which because due to the conventions after the 2nd world war, they were they were, it was an encompassing cup and upon them to do that line on. yeah, yeah, absolutely. a couple of things here, but if, if i go to add another development that i'm hearing, because if it were not for the internet, if it were not for new platforms with new voices. and by the way, the gentleman people that i'm listening to who before october, the 7th i, i would have not spent a moment listening to them. now i'm finding unique solidarity. i came upon vanessa

redgrave in 1978, accepting the academy award. and she made a statement about zionism and israel as i listen to this, and you would have thought at the end, i remember the time that this was the most right. and talking about palestine, yasser arafat, the po, oh, what kind of a demented by, well, i know we betray our age, i remember, and to keep going and patch patty tchaikovsky who wrote from network that came right afterwards and excoriated her for that. here's the interesting part, what she said is my old to what we're hearing on a regular basis. and very quickly, i'm here recently, which is i have not heard before, of american jews coming forth and in the marketing and separating the notion of judaism, fav, americanism. but zion is, for the 1st time i have never heard people trying to de mark aid to fax that,

that the, the acceptance of the design and the reason we do not necessarily conflict. the other is like non non overlapping, magisterial. i mean, let me get out one and here before we go to the break, but that's such an excellent point here. you know, alan, you know, lionel is talking about something that i grew up with and we were all talked to be zine. is that a that was a but we weren't aware of really what that meant. okay. and now when you get to a point where genocide is being committed, you have to stand up and say what you believe and what you don't believe. and, you know, joe biden says he says i and this, okay, so he supports this say, this is the, the, the barriers that we're, we're, we're encountering in this conversation. go ahead out. and before we go to the break or i think that's just using the expression a 2 state solution implies that it's a solution. it's actually not the state of israel is the state that defines itself as a said exclusive to do that is the original problem. and it can only leads to,

i think, cleansing and genocide as what size of your thing today. so all the states and the world will say they support to the to state non solution are really for now and hold that thought. unfortunately, we have to go to a hard break and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion of house by state without the the, [000:00:00;00] the

the, the welcome back across the dock were all things are considered computer lavelle to remind you were discussing palestine. the fewest go back to ramsey in room. you know the, the number of falls. so it's, and the level of deception is really quite incredible. coming from the elite and

from their minions in the media here. that number one, the, the american ambassador to the united nations, he said, the united states voted against val julian resolution because of the ongoing hostage talks in plans, which is patently untrue. i mean, you can watch international media and the guitar is saying, no, it's not going where looks bad. okay. i mean that was not a false premise. and again, we weren't we, we mentioned um, the 1st part of the program, the 2 state solution. i mean, here you have american officials, tony blinking, who comes out like an undertaker every time he speaks to the public, you know, i say the united states police and the 2 state solution and then the same new cycle in many hours it, i've spent my whole life destroying that possibility, and then you have the israeli government or the kinetic going, i'm having a vote, which is meaningless on an international level against any possibility of as to case state solution. but nobody in western media shows that how the to conflict. go ahead. a single day, i mean,

it's remember that in also the american invasion of the law when the w bush was blamed for having a plan more, we worked towards, but having a pet for peace, he came up with the road road map to peace. and we know how that worked out in, in palestine and as well. and i think this is something very similar to the or tried to create a distraction from the war by creating this platform in which we are supposed to engage and to talk about the possibilities and what kind of state is it going to be of a state of a hopeless states or it's going to be um, this arm do an area and a lot of people said they are engaging in a conversation and you will have 2300000 people who are starving to death. so i think the discussion about the state is, let's me to about the solution has nothing to do with these and it has everything to do is to basically have a smoke somewhere else as,

as will finishes is doing this side against the palestinians. many people are engaging that with the winning good or, and what city, what is it extremely dangerous political joy? this is really a, again, just breathing instruction. you know, a line. oh it's, it's, it's very, as we are speaking right now. the israeli government is made it clear that it will go into rafa and the, the, it's really government one, some kind of plan for the protection of civilians. i have no idea where they're, what they're talking about, where are they supposed to go? and again, they're telegraphing what they're going to do, and the only thing the american administration can do, and it's western allies is wag their finger. we better not do that well, considering everything that they've done today. why wouldn't, why wouldn't they stop, lionel? you know, peter, i'm a lawyer by training and one of the things we do in contract law is a notion of severability when, when something is a part of

a contract doesn't work. you don't throw the whole thing out. you just pull that out and you separate the part of it. it doesn't work. there are many, many moving parts to this issue here. and the other day prince william said, i believe something rather rational. he says something about we have to stop the killing in gaza. the reaction from the western media was what kind of heretical nonsense is this? so i'd like to say again from the 1st bowl where i am to say before we talk about to state one state, what, whatever, let's talk about. is it, do we all agree that it's a good idea to stop the killing of innocent people? men, women, children not not to abandon the fight against terrorism or how much? no, no, no, no, no. but just right now, let's start with that. and a friend of mine various stewed actually said, i thought i said, can we do that? and they said yes, this is like an all or nothing idea. yeah, i guess it goes back gentleman to the idea that people don't really understand what this is because they imagined as

a more with sides and village everything uniforms and take the high ground. when in fact, this is an incursion, this is something that really doesn't have a definition. it's a, it's a state against either of people, an idea it, it does not have any historical antecedent. so we have to explain very simply, that stopping, chilling, just dis human as humans to humans. there's no way adding to gauge the responsibility that people have to stop terrorism and, and, and say that i mean water but that, but that, that approach there, if i can go to alan and, and be rude we, we have to kill as many as possible. so we can stop killing. i mean that's what it sounds like to me. yeah, definitely. i think that's our induction in itself is a tool that must be used for political projects. it's either a design is political project or project of genocide or the policy and project, which is a project for

a secular and democratic palestinian state. so we're not the gains to use a force in itself. we are against the concept of a racist project. and for its anti jesus, the democratic project, well the, the only solution ramsey, you're the ultimate expert on this here, is that the, historically we have already come to the solution and it's a one state solution where everyone must be treated equally. i can see line and i can say that as americans, you know, i remember i was small, i was wanted very little bit. i do remember jim crow. okay. and you have to do that . you have to come to terms where everyone has to be equal under the law. now, ramsey, we know that because of a zine is, and that is impossible, but that's why we need to get rid of zionism. that's exactly right. i think when we talk about the one state versus 2 states, it appears as if we're discussing a technical issues, what does do it?

well, what is politically plausible achievable, but it, as a lot of to, it's really is not a bad solution. it's about the reality that you have 2 groups of people, one that is empowered, the arm that supported by the united states. what is this empowered marginalized and is just basic basically serving the of the victim for the last 75 years. in order for us to achieve this relationship, we need to examine the ideology. definitely don't want to dismiss in the 1st place . jewels are up, pushes muslims on. i've lived in that last for a long, long time, and they were just fine. zine is arrived late and i just actually had a 20, essentially created this ideological mess, this racism of this horrific to link up in that is yet to stop. also out of the see if we need to get rid of zionism entirely in order for us to even start talking about the possibility of coexistence line. oh it, what is it in terms of the united states 1st?

so they will go globally how, how is this affecting the biting presidency? because, you know, globally, i think, you know, as things stand now as we speak, this is the legacy of the, by the administration, a genocide. okay, now i, you've been coming on every week and, and, and demonstrating to us americans think very differently about that because you keep going back to the face bowl. what is it in terms of is legacy now going into re election? so that's the critical part, because up till now, the democrats and republicans have been 2 sides of the same coin. they have been lock step, and there has been absolutely no political repercussions whatsoever. if you were to stray from this. the moment that the real democrats younger, the ale see brand, bernie sanders, right? the group and contingent, the moment they get some type of, of, of watch that were i got a hold on this. and the moment it becomes

a political issue that's when it changes. but right now both sides are identical and for reasons i will never understand this gets a frame. yeah, we'll, we'll talk about nevada and me, but we won't talk about gonzalo laira, we'll dog about and joe julian hassan. but not really. and, and how, how this is the suppression, by the way, and, and we allow the suppression of information to, to occur. the moment it stops the moment somebody somewhere, whether it's gavin newsom or whoever the democratic nominee is going to be. who says we have to separate ourselves from the other. presume now many donald trump who is in lock step, the moment that happens, that's one of the changes. yeah, but the in, i can't wait for it, but let's not hold our breath at the same time. no. and now, and you're in a route. if there is every indication, considering the a mass meant of israeli forces on the lebanese border that uh,

there could be another attack on lab and on. this is not the same as it was before . but how worried are you? because you're in be rude. what year within hitting the these really is easily and they've done it many times before ahead bay were people in love and i'm worried that netanyahu and his government will expand the more north i am the person in the another freight. okay. um, i know that as long as it's really exists, so we are in danger. so damn estimates of troops is just something, it's an immediate danger, but the danger has always been there. unfortunately, the new society is not trained and ready to face to extract because we are also suffering from our own regime, which is also a colonial constituents addressing him, which also politicized his identity. so unfortunately, the team we are fragmented. we are military capable of facing it through we have and we had succeeded in 2002006, but we need a political program full, so 11, and that's united 1st and face of all the danger. you know, every lebanese person that comes out my program is, has the same thing. you know,

we're not afraid. okay. it's so good to hear that. okay, because we're not happy with the experience teaches you a lot around. so we about one minute and 30 seconds left. i've been doing this with lionel now for week after week after week. can you give us any help? please, please give us some hope. you know, the hope comes from the people a 100 nearly a 140 days of constant is 80 war. the pedestal and people are not giving up. they have every intention of to revive, to continue resisting as the adult for many, many years. in fact, this paddic, this lease has to be american racism, of these vehicles. oh, because the palestinians wouldn't give up, as long as the penis to me is do not give up and the want the with or was the whole for feet modest. but it, isn't it really interesting you said, because, you know, the, as, as an american, you know, the whole issue of race is constantly being brought up as you comes from the left almost all the time here. but you know, it,

one thing that i would like to see happen is that if you want to talk about race, talk about it in a real sense. because if everything is race has been, nothing is. but if you know, then, then you have to examine the foreign policy and, you know, i've said, you know, so many attempt for years now. if americans only knew what their foreign policy was supporting, it's supporting a, her risk regime. and israel go ahead, finish up for us ramsey. oh, absolutely. i think that the, the issue of racism has been reduced of love football as a subject to politic amended nation. and it has succeeded for political reasons for the specially the democrats of the us. and so forth, but the actual research that exists, of people being killed because they are the room of mississippi, the room raised the wrong skin color, the little religion. it's happening right now and people are dying and they don't, it's, it's just, it's not, it's not a political slogan. it is something that is very real and,

and it can be addressed and should be addressed. and it's all incumbent upon the us government to do that. i don't have a whole lot of gentlemen, that's all the time we have. i want to take my guess in room in new york and, and be rude. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at archie. see you next time. remember prospect the, the feeling we were story the luck of the other on the board as ordering yourself. originally, you spoke to the senior boy menu on the show you as

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the the, the russian polls is getting even more around the front lines of the nice cutting just days often saving the pizza too big cities out of the of got either be killed surrender, or they try to run and sleep. most of them chose the latter. those who didn't wealth, they remain under the debris. i would just wish that such appetites our american colleagues would not show at their democratic tables. so the choice was for all are russians, pardon me, is i'm still getting that rose monk, somebody because for i'm fuzzy is related to a fuck with the in for international law. is there any thought of the files off the