when she was killed over the phone, when she was the one who was missing, she was saying, i'm surrounded by is what they are fighting. and then our team have here and this continuous function, the sort of as a fall off of the house. they just headed over to her when she 1st came on to fire. everyone could have helped us, but they didn't go and they didn't help her. she had

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the lifetime for the bell on costs sold on will be black. others of them, bye for now the the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered non peter le, about the united states. it is are but a vassal states or the coalition against peace from ukraine to gods. but it is the fight in ministration. it is against most of the world,

and historic wind is blowing against the west, the cross hockey in palestine. i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he is a legal in media analysts in rome. we have ramsey, my route, he is a policy and authoring journalist and a route we cross the allen of the medina. he is a coordinator for the policy need one democratic state initiative in 11th. alright, gentlemen, cross slack rules and effects. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate ramsey, let me go to you 1st here. i mean, we were uh, in the afterglow of the united states for the 3rd time, rejecting a cease fire at the united nations security council. quite interesting in, in a man i usually don't quote on this program. if i do quote it, it's very disparagingly is joseph burrell. we, who is what b e. u high commissioner for foreign policy. and he was set in a recent venue that there is a historic wind blowing against the west. his words and the rejection of the united

states almost singularly alone in the world again to cease fire, put to put the 2 together for me. so the world knows what he's talking about, peter, i mean this is a man who kind of assigns himself to these kind of higher understanding of the world in a he referred west to europe as a jungle. and as a, as a guardian and the rest of the world is a jungle this fine to so he thinks in philosophical terms, and he knows he knows that he's correct. that in fact, the united states has deprived itself but also its western allies and its allies anywhere in the world from any kind of legitimacy to, uh, to international law, to conflict resolution. i mean, the fact that, uh, the uh, we deal with b to for the 3rd time, not doing any sort of political decisions that could be to personalizing the will being of israel. that's rather of she is between media to human

a have see aspire to steve all. and what about the children are dying from hunger in northern goes up and people are dying in the i was is in the gaza strip. yet the united states still found that objectionable. so how would you just defined that based on the national law? how do you just divide that one on based on political expediency or necessity? there is no moral legal, ethical, or political justification to the behavior of the united states as the u. s. legitimacy since its allies. well, all of the rest are going to sink as well. all this, it's definitely true, the u. k is so i'm mentioning the possibility of limiting some parts to these really military because they see the historical wind blowing against them. you know, line or, you know, j a joe biden, you know, even on his best days is, is a bit confused,

and i'm being generous here and it's been released to the media that he has some quite disparaging things to say about fee is rarely prime minister netanyahu words i can't pronounce on this program, but you could well imagine the most powerful man in the world is being pulled around by the nose, by the israeli prime minister. and only thing the boat abiding can do is swear. lionel i would like if i could to, to call my segment of the natives are clueless or view from the fish bowl because i represent to you what is happening, what i see here in my country. i know what is the for the west, but i'll speak for american media by 1st question that i have to ask everybody and you get them and perhaps maybe can help me with this. why do we use the term ceasefire? it would be you, you, it, that americans believe is somehow how mouse isn't this, that there is a battle going on in there. there is just firing that. that is real to say we will

stop firing when you home us retreat from your miles of tunnels india. and i'm thinking of myself, there is no, it is unilateral, we don't need a ceasefire. one could argue just stop firing. it's like if i take you hostage and i negotiate a ceasefire, the police are going to say we have a no, no, it's you, you've taken this. so that's the 1st thing. the 2nd problem we have is americans in american media still don't understand the term genocide. we have to change this. they're taking a railroad cars and house rich, and that is true. but we also very quickly have to explain. i see, see, 1st is i c, j. i am still trying to explain to people what that means. we use the terms interchangeably. so again, from the fishbowl here while you generate gentleman live in a more rarefied world, i am trying to explain the scenario and rudiments of what's happening. basically,

according my fellow americans with reality. yeah, big line on that i can go to our guest and they root out and you know i, i don't want to sound perverse or anything, but i think if they set up gas chambers and gaza, it and it still wouldn't change. the american administration's position, that's how, how pathetic and terrifying our time is right now. go ahead now and and be root to thank you for having this. i agree. i think it is indeed pathetic, and i think it's good to try and understand what are the powers in the us that are actually benefiting from this situation. because it's definitely not, not us society that is benefiting from the dentist side. one of the 2 events that can help us understand what's happening is when we look at a talk, which is these for in the lobby in the us, they are spending tens of millions of dollars, literally by us representatives, side the us population are electing them. but then a part is stealing them from the people who elected them to present them. so we

also have, we can also see what's happening with the, the capitalist, the nature of the us, for example, in the arguments industry that they called the defense industry. much like the i d . s, and the chief of luck sees which makes hundreds of millions of dollars. a said the in october 2023. don't call for a 9 to the aggression. talking problems can only be solved with weapons and we are ready to deliver these weapons. on the other hand, us a site is definitely not benefiting from all this identity. terry and repore that design is through using so for when binding says the jews are not facing the us. instead of sending the very bad message a to us to as an adult, to us non jews. so really the u. s. society needs to be freed from this capital. yeah. but i know how it's really i thought you got the idea to terry an issue. i think i'm glad you brought that up because ramsey, you know, we have the current american representative to be united nations. i think on her

1st day she was saying something like the un has to investigate racism in america, which kind of surprised a lot of people being the ambassador of the united nations. but the united states is protecting one of the most racist societies in the world. israel, i assume at the end, i mean the discourse, addictions maybe are obvious to you and to be and, and hopefully to an increasing number of americans as well. but it still hasn't tween that we just stood with the warning clauses in the united states. i think it's really what can be kind of brought down to this on the very day that that the american representative and the february 20 of the security council. february 20 on that very day and what she was order to be till the end of julia visited english and demanding and, and uh, basically into this we would do side in gaza and level is correct. this is, i mean it kind of send me those wood inspired back if these weight is on the fire

and them, so it's not really a ceasefire in a traditional were sort of says, but with that very day, why did, has actually been this is more than he was, has been to do a fundraising, a party for if by a pro is will billionaire who is giving a lot of money to the democratic party so. so this is what it really comes down to a mutual a my pleasure ends with ramsey. we have to be clear to be the same billionaires, but you're making reference to they give to republicans and the democrats, because they say, billionaires, they have only one issue, is real. okay, that's what i and, and of course, you know, the if you, if you don't go along with you get primaries in both parties. ok, that's how dangerous a site you wait. pathetic it is. you know, line all it's interesting is that we've heard the term to state solution. i mean, all of us on this panel and much of our of audience have heard this all of their lives. ok. but isn't an interesting line, or there are no states stopping the genocide, you know, they talk in

a 2 state solution is the ideal which i think is a fraud at this point, but no state. and we can't even say, yeah, men because of who these don't control all of them in button b. this, the international state system is not doing anything to stop in genocide, which because due to the conventions after the 2nd world war, they were, they were, it was an income incumbent upon them to do that line. oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. a couple of things here. but if, if i go to add another development that i'm hearing, because if it were not for the internet, if it were not for new platforms with new voices. and by the way, gentlemen, people that i'm listening to who before october, the 7th, and i would have not spent a moment listening to them. now i'm finding unique solidarity. i came upon vanessa redgrave in 1978, accepting the academy award. and she made a statement about zionism and israel as i listen to this,

and you would have thought that i remembered the time that this was the most read talking about palestine, yasser arafat, the po, oh, what kind of a demented i. well, i know we betray our age, i'm remembering to keep going and patch patty tri epsky, who wrote from network came right afterwards and excoriated her for that. here's the interesting part. what she said is my old to what we're hearing on a regular basis. and very quickly, i'm here recently, which is i have not heard before. of american jews coming forth. and d marketing and separating the notion of judaism save americanism. but zion is, for the 1st time i have never heard people trying to de mark aid the fact that, that the, the acceptance of the design and the reason we do not necessarily conflict the other. it's like non non overlapping, magisterial. i mean, let me get out and, and here before we go to the break,

but that's such an excellent point here. you know, ellen, you know, lionel is talking about something that i grew up with. and we were all talked to be zine. is that a that was a but we weren't aware, but really what that meant. okay. and now when you get to a point where genocide is being committed, you have to stand up and say what you believe and what you don't believe. and, you know, joe biden says he, so scientists, okay, so he supports this say this is the, the, the barriers that we're, we're, we're encountering in this conversation. go ahead out. and before we go to the break, and i think that's just using the expression a 2 state solution implies that it's a solution. it's actually not the state of as well as a states that defines itself as a said exclusive to do that is the original problem. and it can only leads to ethics, ends in genocide as what size we're seeing today. so all the states and the world, let's say they support to the 2 states, non solution are really for now and hold that thought i unfortunately we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break,

we'll continue our discussion of house like state without the the take a fresh look around his life kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by how of tired vision with no real opinions fixtures designed to simplify. it will confuse who really wants a better wills and is it just because it shows you fractured images, presented as fast? can you see through their illusions, going underground? can

the welcome back across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle to remind you were discussing palestine. the few. let's go back to ramsey in room. you know the number of balls so it's, and the level of deception is really quite incredible. coming from the elite and from their minions in the media here. that number one, the, the american ambassador to the united nations, he said, the united states voted against val julian resolution because of the ongoing hostage talks and plans which is possibly on true. i mean, you can watch international media and the guitar is saying, no, it's not going where it looks bad. okay. i mean that was on a false premise. and again, we were, we, we mentioned um the 1st part of the program, the 2 state solution. i mean, here you have american officials, tony blinking, who comes out like an undertaker every time he speaks to the public, you know, i say the united states police and

a 2 state solution and then the same new cycle. and then yeah, what is it? i spend my whole life different, i just this drawing that possibility and then you have the israeli government or the kinetic going, i'm having a vote, which is meaningless on an international level against any possibility of us to take the state solution. but nobody in western media show is thing how the to conflict, go ahead a single say, i mean, let's remember that in also the american invasion of the lot when the w bush was blamed for having a plan more, we went towards, but not having a pet for peace, he came up with the road road map to peace and we know how that's worked out in in palestine and as well. and i think this is something very similar to it. we all tried to create a distraction from the war by creating this platform in which we are supposed to engage and to talk about the possibilities and what kind of state is it going to be of a state to a hopeless states or it's going to be um,

this arm do an advocate and a lot of people said they are engaging in a conversation and you will have $2300000.00 people who are starving to death. so i think the discussion about the state is the solution has nothing to do with these and it has everything to do is to basically have a smoke somewhere else as, as will finishes is doing his side against the palestinians. many people are engaging that with the winning good or and what seems to be, but is it extremely dangerous political joy that is we would aim at again, just policing instruction. you know, a line. oh it's, it's, it's very, as we are speaking right now. the israeli government is made it clear that it will go into rafa and the, the is really government wants some kind of plan for the protection of civilians. i, i have no idea where they're, what they're talking about, where are they supposed to go? and again, they're telegraphing what they're going to do,

and the only thing the american administration can do, and it's western allies is wag their finger. we better not do that well, considering everything that they've done today. why wouldn't, why wouldn't they stop line on, you know, peter, i'm a lawyer by training and one of the things we do in contract law is a notion of severability when, when something is a part of a contract doesn't work. you don't throw the whole thing out, you just pull that out and you separate the part of it. it doesn't work. there are many, many moving parts to this issue here. and the other day prince william said, i believe something rather rational. he said something about we have to stop the killing and gaza. the reaction from the west or media was what kind of heretical nonsense is this. so i like to say again from the 1st bowl where i am to say before we talk about tuesday, wednesday, what, whatever, let's talk about. is it do, do we all agree that it's a good idea to stop the killing of innocent people?

men, women, children not not to abandon the fight against terrorism or how much? no, no, no, no, no. but just right now, let's start with that. and a friend of mine, various dude actually said, i thought should, can we do that? and they said yes, this is like an all or nothing idea. yeah, i guess it goes back gentleman to the idea that people don't really understand what this is because they imagined as a war with sides and military thing, uniforms and take the high ground when in fact this is an incursion, this is something that really doesn't have a definition, it's a, it's a state against either of people, an idea it, it does not have any historical antecedents. so we have to explain very simply that stopping towing just this human as humans to humans. this in no way, ab negates the responsibility. the people have to stop terrorism and, and in say i but i mean water but that, but that,

that approach that if i can go to alan and, and be rude we, we have to kill as many as possible. so we can stop killing. i mean, that's what it sounds like to me. yeah, definitely. i think that's our induction in itself is a tool that must be used for political project. it's either a design is political project or project of genocide or the policy and project, which is a project for a secular and democratic college student in state. so we're not against the use of force in itself. we are against the concept of a racist project and for its anti jesus, the democratic project? well, the, the only solution ramsey are the ultimate expert on this here is that they, it, historically, we have already come to the solution. and it's a one state solution where everyone must be treated equally icons, lionel. and i can say that as americans, you know, i remember i was small, i was wanted very little bit. i do remember jim crow. okay. and you have to,

you have to come to terms where everyone has to be equal under the law. now, ramsey, we know that because of the zine is and that is impossible, but that's why we need to get rid of zionism. that's exactly right. i think when we talk about the one state versus 2 states, it appears as if we're discussing a technical issues, what is doable? what is politically plausible achievable, but it, as lot of t, it's really is not a bad solution. it's about the reality that you have to groups of people, one that is empowered, the arm that supported by the united states. when there is this empowered marginalized and is just basically basically serving the of the victim for the last 75 years. in order for us to achieve this relationship, we need to examine the ideology. definitely don't want to dismiss in the 1st place . jewels are up pushes, most things i'll have to live in that last for a long, long time. and they were just fine. designers arrived like you essentially the 20,

essentially created this ideological must, this racism of this horrific feeling of being that is yet to stop. also out of the see if we need to get rid of zionism entirely in order for us to even start talking about the possibility of coexistence line. oh it, what is it in terms of the united states 1st? so they will go globally how, how is this affecting the biting presidency? because, you know, globally, i think, you know, as things stand now as we speak, this is the legacy of the bible administration, a genocide. okay, now i, you've been coming on every week and, and, and demonstrating to us americans think very differently about that because you keep going back to the face bowl. what is it in terms of is legacy now going into re election? so that's the critical part, because up till now, the democrats and republicans have been 2 sides of the same coin. they have been in lock step,

and there has been absolutely no political repercussions whatsoever. if you were to stray from this the moment that the real democrats younger, the l. c, brand, the bernie sanders rides the group and contingent. the moment they get some type of, of, of locks that were i've got a hold on this. and the moment it becomes a political issue that's when it changes. but right now both sides are identical. and for reasons i will never understand this gets a frame. yeah. we'll, we'll talk about nobody with me, but we won't talk about gonzalo laira, we'll dog about and joe julian hassan. but not really. and, and how, how this is the suppression, by the way. and, and we allow the suppression of information to, to occur. the moment it stops the moment somebody somewhere, whether it's gavin newsom or whoever the democratic nominee is going to be. who says we have to separate ourselves from the other. presume now many donald trump

who is in lock step, the moment that happens, that's one of the changes. yeah, but the in, i can't wait for it, but let's not hold our breath at the same time. no. and now, and you're in be rude. if there is every indication, considering the a mass meant of israeli forces on the lebanese border that uh, there could be another attack on lab and on. this is not the same as it was before . but how worried are you? because you're in be rude. what you're within hitting a they, these really is easily and they've done it many times before ahead bay would of people in love and i'm worried that netanyahu and his government will expand the more north i am the person in the another freight. okay. um, i know that's as long as this really exists, so we are in danger. so damn estimates of troops is just something, it's an immediate danger, but the danger has always been there. unfortunately, the new society is not trained new ready to face the threat to because we are also

suffering from our own regime, which is also a colonial constituents addressing, which also politicize is identity. so unfortunately, we are fragmented. we are military capable of facing it through we have and we had succeeded in 2002006, but we need a political program full, so 11, and that's united 1st and face of all the danger. you know, every lebanese person that comes out my program is, has the same thing. you know, we're not afraid. okay. it's so good to hear that. okay. because we're not happy with the experience features you a lot around. so we about one minute and 30 seconds left. i've been doing this with lionel now for week after week after week. can you give us any help, please, please give us some hope. you know, the hope comes from the people a 100 nearly a 140 days of constant is 80 war dependents to me and people are not giving up. they have every intention and give you a ride to continue resisting as they have done for many, many years. in fact,

despotic, this lease has to be american racism of these vito's. oh, because the palestinians wouldn't give up as long as opposed to me is do not give up and the want that with or was the whole for the past. but it, isn't it really interesting you said, because, you know, the, as, as an american, you know, the whole issue of race is constantly being brought up as you comes from the left almost all the time here. but you know, it, one thing that i would like to see happen is that if you want to talk about race, talk about it in a real sense because if everything is racist but nothing is. but if you know that, then you have to examine the foreign policy and, you know, i've said, you know, so many attempt for years now. if americans only knew what their foreign policy was supporting and supporting a her risk regime. and israel go ahead, finish up for us ramsey. oh, absolutely. i think that the, the issue of racism has been reduced of love football as

a subject of political manipulation. and it has succeeded for political reasons for days, especially the democrats of the us and so forth. but the actual research that exist, oh, people being killed because they are the room of this city. the room raised the wrong skin color, the little religion. it's happening right now and people are dying and that's how it is. it's just, it's not, it's not a political slogan. it is something that is very real and, and it can be addressing, should be addressed. and it's all incumbent upon the us government to do that. i don't have a whole lot of gentlemen, that's all the time we have. i want to take my guess in room in new york and, and be rude. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at archie. see you next time. remember prospect the line, scott bennett, i'm a former united states army psychological warfare officer,

really served in the state department counterterrorism office under investor del daily the . so i wanted to come here to russia in the dawn bass area and to gather the facts, to take back to the american people, the hold on bass as the front line. so this is where the bombs and the bullets are raging. this is where people are dying, this is where the buildings are exploding the all. i wanted to see 1st hand the scars of war.

the says the what was the mind on given us time that's done. and so the service under the impression in you play in was in on russian border sooner like kids encouraged me to even weapons. and finally, according to a bubble shell report released by the time process, we'll just take another phone line tom on the private whitfield point. this will cover sure. all of the tracking now it's pushing you things further and that's as of right, it's also freedom. so what does the sizing gather outside the case? hi, cool. this is legal team and so file effort to stop the whistle for being expedited