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hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered on peter lavelle. ukraine conflict has now moved into the realm of magical thinking. zalinski declares it will be a new offensive. nato believes long range weapons will do the trick, and money is the answer to everything. the fact is, for ukraine, at least, the end is very near the cross talking ukraine. i'm joined by my guess. miss the win stayed in columbus. she is a political activist, as well as host of the miss the winston show on t and t radio in nashville. we have steve gill, he is an attorney and political commentator. and in belgrade we crossed to alexander cottage. he is a serbian member of parliament. welcome to you all prospect rules and effect. that means you can jump in any time you want. i always appreciate alexander, let me go to you and bells rates. you know,

i looked at the latest methods coming from jake sullivan and victoria lou newland. and if i'm not mistaken, they're getting into panic mode here. i'm calling this program magical thinking, but that's what everyone here is displaying for all of us to see magical thinking that somehow ukraine is just around the corner. your thoughts, alexander a well was used to their magical thinking because they keep saying that costs are always a stage that without actual proof that it's a state, you know, they, they recognize the unilateral in 2008. and here we are. 16 years later, i still have nato troops there there's, they still have international supervisors there. they are holding them by their hand and seeing everything that they do. so, you know, we've seen that here. they're also trying to convince everyone in boston and has to go in is the state. and of course they still have a high representative 28 years after the after the dayton peace agreement.

so yes, the west has been added for a while. you know, they keep thinking that it's still the 1980 yard late 19 eighties, early 19 ninety's, unipolar world. they are the only game in town. everyone else is on their knees. everyone actually is thinking that liberal democracy is the best system. and that we're going to have a new pax romana, we're going to have peace cooperation, love no borders. everything's going to be great. but you know, that was 30 years ago and they just can't get over it. big the world has changed. people have seen the west or what it really is, and it's not what it used to be. you know, you know that very well. i know that very well. i grew up in america. that's not the same american. it was 30 years ago. so, but they're trying to pebble the west like it's the west of from 30 years ago. well, i mean, alexander, the west that they believe in works for them. it doesn't work for the rest of us.

that's the problem. and that's including the people in the west. ok. you don't miss that. you're nodding your head here. you know, we had this also locked in prime minister a few call. he was a contact a contact in paris on monday and he came out. let me quote it here. talk was purely martial in an atmosphere. i was surprised that not a single word was said about a any piece plan here. i mean, this is, you know, so it, on top of that we have, uh, we have a chrome, um saying, you know, maybe individual, a nato countries bi lateral. it was sent start sending troops. the ukraine. are they there on the escalate? escalation lot or misty? yeah. no question about it. i think that the level of delusion here is fascinating to watch, play out because, you know, as we've just discussed, i think that the west is um, still in quite a state of denial. the world has in fact change, and i think that there is a desperate attempt to try to hold on to maintain that power and control. i think frankly the west has already lost it. i think that we're seeing other countries

rush or china around come together. i think that that has been a long time in the making and frankly, the west has pushed that into fruition. we've kind of created our, our own monster. and it's a frankly long overdue. but yeah, i think that there, there's this, um, uh, you know, a massive state of denial that we think that we can just muscle our way through this conflict. and that we can just continue to send weapons and money. and that somehow student is going to, uh, you know, take any and dial out of this and that's just not the case. and i think that there's no reason for russia to do that. they are in fact, winning this whole war. i think there's a lot of denial about that taking place. i think we have zalinski trying to muddy the numbers on how many ukrainian lives have been lost. but i think that there's no question about of ukraine situation is coming to an end. frankly. it's just really depressing to me to watch the untold numbers of ukrainian lives that have just been sacrificed on the altar of western imperialism. it's very sad, it's steven. it's so convenient for these people to sacrifice other people. oh i oh, by the way, if this is good for business,

i never in my life. i thought they would say the, the quiet part out loud. okay. this is good for arms manufacturers. i mean, they're actually saying this right now. i mean before it was tab. oh, you never went. oh, it's about democracy. it's not democracy, of course. okay. now they're saying the quiet part out loud. okay. the shareholders and these companies are becoming rich, steve, as well. and the went from my leaving to you in almost broke to worth a $1000000.00. thanks to going on the board for some of these military industrialists and now she's continued to carry the water. i love last week when the, when the ball is death was announced, and you have these retired generals immediately rushing on all the year waves declaring that murder. yeah. because that's what they want. they need more war because their new boss, maybe if they search buying and they were uniform, their new bosses need more or to sell more stuff. so they're quick to announce anything without the facts and now even to the ukraine, the intelligence agencies are telling us no i that causes. but you want to see any

of those generals going back on fox remiss in dc. say, i was wrong as usual. i and it's just again, more of the say, and they are saying the funny part out, well, you got him sky, i'm getting paid for it on a few months ago. say, well, these aren't really donations, right. these are the models. are we gonna get paid back those last 3 days after world war 2? so again, the big industrial complex is getting all this money or are they going to share that with the american tax, but it was just put it in their own pocket. it is frankly disgusting and i am waiting with great anticipation the net offensive counter offensive that goes on wednesday is planning because the other ones that work so well. oh, absolutely. alexander missed the already brought up. the point is 31000 casualties on the ukrainian side. i have to doubt the mental health of the ukrainian president . i mean, even his own inner circle of admitted they and casualties are extraordinary. what do you, what are your thoughts there?

i mean, i don't know if you saw the interview, but what's me for it to be honest, folks, it didn't seem like the man was all there, alexander or what you are. this is the thing. uh, if they really uh tell me the truth. then everything is over. uh, that's the thing. you know, the robot what, uh, the, the robot was supposed to be turn into rubble. uh, 2 years ago, uh, rochelle was supposed to have run out of artillery shells about 2 years ago. that didn't happen. so what are we going to do? either we're going to tell the truth, but that's totally unacceptable. or we're going to keep plus spreading these fantasies. because what else is there? you know, if they start telling the truth, ha, too many questions, that kind of stuff being at start being asked. and people are going to have to start answering for everything that they've been doing, given selling this story that ukraine can actually defeat russia.

and you know, how can you me, you've been repeating this obvious lie to anyone has any sort of knowledge for 2 years. how can you all of a sudden back track now you can't, you know, they're just going to go to the end. it's like chip those last days. you know, the ship, where's thought until the very last moment that you know some miracles going to happen? some winter welfare is going to save the day. i think the last gazing there's on bunker, thinking the same thing and all the people supporting him. that includes the neo cons in washington. they have the same mentality. now it's the hitler bunker mentality and you can't, they can't get away from it because if they do, they have to admit the feet. but what happens when you've met the fate found the, this in dispensable nation. all of a sudden is shown to be mortal. that suffered the fee and the hands of these lowly russians. and that's it. that's the end of everything. everything crumbles. the

stakes are too high. yeah. well the and alexander alexander also being complicit in a jet aside in, in gaza. i mean, this is a double when it's, you know, missed a year and you're in columbus. i mean, and they're, they're banding about $60000000000.00 a bit. columbus could use a little bit of that money. maybe nashville could use a little bit of that money in the victoria knew and said, you know, they cut when congress comes back there in their districts right now, you know, and they're going to sell the war. i'm sure a lot of people say, well, what about bridges, what about schools? what about health care? so let's face it half the countries poor. they some people need some help. misty. yeah, no question about it. and yes, i do live in ohio and we often joke in the state of ohio that our state symbol should be changed to the orange traffic coming because our roads are a mess. so yes, peter, we could use quite a bit of that money, frankly, for our infrastructure here in the state of ohio. so, and we know, listen, we know this is not new to anybody who isn't paying any bit of attention to foreign policy in this country for any amount of time. scores or racket smoothly. butler told us that years ago joined us on showed us in 2014, that the goal is not

a successful war. the goal is unless when we're seeing, i mean we have a report out that lockheed martin is going to increase the production of high mars rocket rocket launchers by 60 percent. as you mentioned, we have the u. s. official officials are now openly saying um in reports to the washington post that they see ukraine is an active and bountiful military research opportunity. they kind of reminded me of hillary clinton with a rack that we need to see a rock as a business opportunity. they are just saying it out loud. and what so frustrating about that is that they can get away with that and that the american public doesn't immediately stop everything that they're doing and say, wait a minute, that's not right. and so uh, but i think they were starting to see the bill be left it on that for sure. yeah. steve, i, they missed, he's making reference that pop piece that came up in the new york times. i mean that thing was a biblical in length. okay. what they, they talked to a over a 100 operatives and all that. i mean, it was a disgusting puff piece, but it'd be when you read the article, you're going to come to the conclusion that the united states and russia were at war. are we at war but you know what with the see how i is doing helping the

ukrainians is the i is involved in killing russian civilians. steve as well. i think that's what they want because when you've got the chrome talking about food, it's on the ground of salt and it's already saying, no, we're not going that way. they're talking about the sending the battlefield in the warranty yet, you can't even stop russia. and after the, you're going to go into the crime the next. i mean, it is just absolute easy. but you really getting some glimmer of fruit in that piece. and then your kind of relating how this all started back. but the to that the c i a and us did back in 2004 and the they're not talking about the assault on get us a diesel engine, dawn bass in that region for the last 40 years. you don't see any us reporters west for the media reporters on the, on the russian side of the battlefield. oh, bill clinton, the guys don't do interviews with from us leaders, but it's tucker, carlson talks to boot rider. i think it is. it is deplorable when they are doing

well with the the media equates itself in no glory whatsoever. and that's the point of this program is the shame of the media and the people that they support. i'm going to jump in here right now. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine space with archie. the 1960s were attorney for the advertise struggle for labor ration. however, in the south of the continental european races decided for a long v, agony of colonialism. in 1965, the white minority unilaterally declared the state of rhodesia states at doherty's

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appeared on the world map and became a true best just of the ideas of an african. it's of the welcome back across black were all things are considered. i'm curious about you around you were discussing you create the okay, let's go back to alexandra in belgrade. what are the in the it's for bowden in mainstream media to talk about peace. okay. that and we never hear that from politicians in the media. well, the media is more hawkish, been politicians are it's, it's a, it's a different age right now. it used to be the other way around. okay. and now we have the media tearing on endless war here, but this is a problem here. we had a process and this then bull weeks after the complex started. i'm sure you all know

about it. if you watch, i do this, i didn't. so you know about it, you watch, gun greenwald, you know about it a jimmy door, you know, about an account with other really smart, smart people that are not credited with the establishment. but there was a process, and it was the west that torpedo with it. and its still carpios' negotiations. alexander. yes. well, i can now talk barrels in 1992 in february and march. uh, actually uh, the 3 people that make up the boss. be good to go. me now. uh, service is the service, the mazda ones in the cro. it's under that european community at the time. it wasn't called deal. then a peace agreement was brokers uh, let this call list have an agreement on to continue to plan as it was call and all 3 sides agreed to out to an independent boss, me out of equal power sharing,

etc. you know, what happened? well, the american ambassador to yugoslavia which still existed at the time war and zimmerman, he met with the moslem leader, i'll use a declaration, he told them all, you don't have to sign that, you know, will help you. so what happened? he backed out of the piece. the disagreement and war broke up. a similar thing happened regarding possible in late 1998 or early 1999. there were uh they were peace negotiations and a french castle in rumble yet. and then madeline albright decided to raise the bar to offer some unacceptable conditions on the serbian side which no country could accept. and but that was used as an excuse to start bombing yugoslavia in 1999 without, without the security council was totally illegal. but they actually caused warrant,

they wanted more, they didn't want to and was the same thing and ukraine. so when we watch you prayed from serbia, it's like watching uh, rear on, on the very that. uh you know, tv series. yeah. well, you know, missed the that they, this is what it, what it always gets down to. i mean, when there's a possibility for peace, it's always squashed. okay. we know before, december, uh, in 2021. the russians, as it would tensions were building up, they said, you know, here we have 2 proposals, one the dealt with our ukrainian neutrality and nato. okay. and not expansion of nato and nato should need to go back to in the 1997 parameters, completely ignored. i mean, those were doable, very doable things, very reasonable things. then in this sample it was doable. it was reasonable that was rejected as well. or as johnson denies it, but everyone and a noticed the truth it did, he was involved in the go ahead, misty. yeah, no question about that. listen, peter, there is no profit and peace. and that's really the issue here is that the west is

essentially the economies of the west or run on death and war and chaos and destruction. and so they, they need to continue these words, they need, it is necessary, essentially for their survival for the survival of the people that own the politicians. and so, i mean, you mentioned that you know, the, in my opinion and i agree with you 100 percent. i'm so glad you speak on this and that you hold them accountable. but i think that the media is a far bigger threat than most people are giving them credit for. i think that easily they're one of the greatest threats that he about humanity faces right now because they're the ones that sell these lies. they're the ones that sell these words. i mean to bring up a sondra again joined us on so that every well a more of the last 50 years has been a result of media lies. and if work can be started by lies and peace can be started by truth. and that is why the media works overtime to sell this stuff and why they so infrequently. and in fact, never talk about peace. and when they do, it's usually to smear out it into that make it seem as if that's a ridiculous and unreasonable request that there be peace in the world. and so it is, it is an insane world that we live in where the talking a piece gets you looked at, is some kind of a, you know, crazy cou, bring trader,

it is interesting times. yeah, yeah, i a steve, it's always newness. 1938, isn't it? with these people here at, and you and it unit happen, but that is a unique event. it doesn't repeat over and over again as i like to think. you know, steve, what is your feeling and will congress eventually give the money? will with the speaker of the house cave, because you know, they, this is ridiculous man for that. you know, money will solve everything. it doesn't, steve. i think what stops it is misty was saying, i may keep in mind, it's not just what the media says that are live. it's what they don't cover. there is truth. i mean, they're good in dozens of people killed and ends on that's the basic reason. other civilian locations have no military involvement at all, and yet that does not get reported at all in the west. if one's division is still engaged. so it gets, you know, headline news. why is somebody you're not covering what's going on and on this thing done, bass. and there's other reasons what they silence is more important sometimes than

the life but the lives they're telling or is it has that if you take, pete is going right comparisons going right to play that, that, but they have to have this beer planted that he's going to conquer, you're in the next, the all state. i mean, you know, you, this is the years what, what the american public is fed in the west in general is that the russians are aiming to conquer france, but they can't. they can't conquer half of ukraine. how can they both be true at the same time? i mean, they've never been able to explain that to me. keep going to be in the same way they can explain how we set hundreds of billions of dollars there. and they refused, and our side refuses to give them the accounting of where the money is going. but i have funds for teenagers not that many years ago when i would give them money on friday and they would ask for more on saturday. i would say, what did you do when you do have somebody congress finally asked that question?

well, i wanted to say something, but i shouldn't say it on air. okay, but i know what you mean. okay. this though, you know it's spending money like there's no tomorrow. oh, alexandra, you all from the very, very beginning. this has been a lead project. the ukraine is in a lead project here. we saw this in this of the munich security conference. we saw this concept in paris is completely at odds with what people think on the ground. i did on monday when these uh you leaders meant that they talk about farmers in agriculture. i wonder because that's a real issue from of many, many people in europe, alexander or yeah, that's the thing is uh, obviously of the rolling leads in the west have totally lost touch with the people. and the main goal is actually due to the goals of geopolitical and, you know, people are just being used as instruments. jim vocal goal has been the same for 30 years. uh, get moscow under control,

get beijing under control. it's that simple. you know, it's like i've jumped out of some james bond movie, you know, that really is a conspiracy to have to rule the world. i mean, what, what else can you say? obviously they're not interested in these as i say, they don't care what the people say. they don't care that they're on, the farmers are in trouble. they don't care about any of that. they, the import migrants, not just through united states, but to europe. so, you know, they don't care about their own people. thereafter. moscow thereafter, the natural resources of russia, the vast natural resources of russia and everything is totally being subordinated to that, to your political goal. people are just being used as cannon fodder. you know, it's like it's easy for them to keep saying depressed. we sang and we're going to fight to the last few pregnant tomorrow. they're going to fight to the last european. they don't care about your pm's. they just walk well alex and alex here, let me ask you a question. do your opinions, care about your opinions, okay?

because i think, you know, if, if we have all step back, we look at this ridiculous um, uh, ukraine project on phone. one of the most interesting thing for me is how europe caves so easily to the united states, this entire elite, this thing, and i didn't when we all know now the degree of lead capture in europe in being controlled by the united states has been really quite extraordinary, you know, you have sergeant schultz or i think he's a chancellor, but i called sergeant schultz standing next to biden and bind is basically saying we're going to destroy the pipeline. i means it is. they are nodding his head like a full body is alexandra. yeah, yeah, but you know why it's such as binding? you know, klaus swap. i'm a big enough president of the world economic for him. as that is brad about having his own people in all the cabinets of, uh, western uh, countries you know, up to a half. who do the answer to it seems like the answer to the global is once again.

and this a lead capture that you talk about. i remember during the cold war, uh, the western european states, members of the european community, at the same time, members of nato, they have a lot more sovereignty than they do now. how did that happen? well, i mean, alexander, for example, the whole situation with god. so, i mean, 20 years 25 years ago, europe had a very specific about position about the middle east, about israel and palestine. that's completely gone right now. okay. and what, you know, missed the, but with but for me that it's so surprising and disappointing is that europe is next to russia. okay. is that like, you know, far, far away and, you know, we've seen this with the energy crisis in europe. that was all self induce misty? yes. a 100 percent. and i think what's so interesting about this as a, as the west points its finger, why does it senior a lot of your uprooting for the various things that they do,

whether it be war crimes or you know, the, the idea that he wants to take over the world they themselves are in fact doing that right. they're, they're, they're also committing to work crime, sir. i mean, actively engaged in genocide and gaza. that's just one of many places. i mean, we're legally occupying syria. mean, there's a 100 places where we are doing really atrocious things. also the, the idea that he wants to expand and take over the world as nato was literally expanding to his doorstep, despite the fact that promises were made that, that would not happen. so i think what's so interesting here is not only just the rank of progress, the, but also the, you know, the get you accusing offers or others of that what you are guilty of. and i think that we're seeing that in such an amazing a multitude of ways, right now taking place. right. that what a, what is so fascinating to me is that the people of europe are and listen, i'm an american, uh, you know, i, i can't speak to what they're dealing with, but i think that i'm allowing these things to happen, recognizing how it is impacting your life directly and the not holding your leaders to account. um, not to say that americans are doing any better. we certainly are not. we're not pulling our leaders to account either, but i think that those conversations desperately need to be hot. and again,

that's where the media comes in, because i think that that's where the media works overtime to stifle those conversations, to make sure that those topics are suppressed and not discussed openly. and that's a real issue. yeah, well, you know, you mentioned julie massage here. it is a this, that this tells you everything about journalism in the west. if they can't defend julian decides, then they're not journalist. okay? yeah, they're far, far worse word. so i will not use this broadcast. but they're the ones that have, let us down as well. i never put faith into politicians. i used to believe in journalists, i only believe in individual journalists now. that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guess in nashville, columbus and, and bells rate. or, of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are to see you next time and remember prospect the, [000:00:00;00]

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