to this as well as hosts of the misty winston show on t n t radio in nashville. we have steve gill, he is an attorney and political commentator, and in belgrave across to alexander cottage. he is a serbian member of parliament. welcome to you. all prospect rolls in effect. that means you can jump in any time you want. i always appreciate, alexander, let me go to you in belgrade, you know, i, i looked at the latest message is coming from jake sullivan and victoria newland. and if i'm not mistaken, they're getting into panic mode here. i'm calling this program magical thinking, but that's what everyone here is a displaying for all of us to see magical thinking that somehow ukraine is just around the corner. your thoughts, alexander, as well, was used to their magical thinking because they keep saying that costs are always a stage that without actual proof that it's a state, you know, they, they recognize the unilateral in 2008. and here we are. 16 years later, i still have nato troops there there's,

they still have international supervisors there. they are holding them by their hand and, and everything that they do. so, you know, we've seen that here. they're also trying to convince everyone in boston and has to go in as a state. and of course they still have a high representative 28 years after the after the dayton peace agreement. so yes, the west has been added for a while. you know, they keep thinking that it's still the 1980 yard late 19 eighties, early 19 ninety's, unipolar world. they are the only game in town. everyone else is on their knees. everyone actually is thinking that the liberal democracy is the best system and that we're going to have a new pax romana. we're going to have peace cooperation, love no borders. everything's going to be great. but you know, that was 30 years ago and they just can't get over it. i think the world has changed. people have seen the west or what it really is and it's not what it used

to be. you know, you know that very well. i know that very well. i grew up in america. that's not the same american. it was 30 years ago. so, but they're trying to pebble the west like it's the west of, from 30 years ago. well, i mean, alexander, the west that they believe in works for them, it doesn't work for the rest of us. that's the problem. and that's including the people in the west. ok, you know, let's say you're nodding your head here. you know, we had this us all locked in prime minister a few call. he was a contact a contact in paris on monday, and he came out and let me quote, a here talk was purely martial and in atmosphere. i was surprised that not a single word was said about a, any piece plan here. i mean, this is, you know, so it, on top of that we have, uh, we have my crown um saying, you know, maybe individual a nato countries bilateral was sent start sending troops. the ukraine. are they there on the escalate? escalation, lighter, misty? yeah, no question about it. i think that um,

the level of delusion here is fascinating to watch, play out because um, you know, as we've just discussed, i think that the west is um, still in quite a state of denial. the world has in fact change, and i think that there is a desperate attempt to try to hold on to maintain that power and control. i think frankly the west has already lost it. i think that we're seeing other countries rush or china around come together. i think that that has been a long time in the making and frankly, the west has pushed that into fruition. we've kind of created our, our own monster. and it's uh, a frankly long overdue. but yeah, i think that there, there's this. um, uh, you know, uh, mazda of state of denial that we think that we can just muscle our way through this conflict, and that we can just continue to send weapons and money. and that somehow pollutant is going to, uh, you know, take any and dial out of this and that's just not the case. and i think that there's no reason for russia to do that. they are in fact, winning this whole war. i think there's a lot of denial about that taking place. i think we have the landscape trying to muddy the numbers on how many ukrainian lives have been lost. but i think that there is no question about of ukraine situation is coming to an end. frankly,

it's just really depressing to me to watch the untold numbers of ukrainian lives that have just been sacrificed on the altar of western imperialism. it's very sad, it's steve. it, it's so convenient for these people to sacrifice other people. oh i oh, by the way, if this is good for business, i never in my life that i thought they would say the, the quiet part out loud. okay. this is good for arms manufacturers. i mean, they're actually saying this right now before it was tab. oh, you never went oh, it's about democracy, it's not democracy, of course. okay. now they're saying the quiet part out loud. okay. the shareholders and these companies are becoming rich, steve, as well the, it went from my leaving to you in almost broke to worth a $1000000.00. thanks to going on the board for some of these military industrial list. and now she's continued to carry the water. i love last week when the window vollings death was announced, and you'd have to use retired generals immediately rushing on all the year. waves declared to murder him up because that's what they want. they need more war because

their new bosses maybe if they search buying and they renew for their new bosses deep or, or to sell more stuff. so they're quick to announce anything without the facts and now even to the ukraine, the intelligence agencies are telling us, knowing that from causes but you weren't going to see any of those generals going back on the box, remiss in dc thing, but i was wrong as usual, i ended up getting more of the say, and they are saying the funny part out while you got him sky, i'm getting paid for it on a few months ago. say it will be these not really donations, right? these are laws. are we gonna get paid back those last 3 days after world war 2? again, the big industrial complex is getting all this money, or are they going to share that with the american taxpayers to put it in their own pocket. it is frankly disgusting and i am waiting with great anticipation the net offensive counter offensive that does the ones use planning because the other ones

that work so well. oh, absolutely. alexander miss the already brought up. the point is 31000 casualties on the ukrainian side. i have to doubt the mental health of the ukrainian president. i mean, even his own inner circle of admitted they and casualties are extraordinary. what do you, what are your thoughts there? i mean, i don't know if you saw the interview, but let's move. it's be honest folks, it didn't seem like the man was all there, alexander or what you are. this is the thing. uh, if they really uh tell me the truth. then everything is over. uh, that's the thing, you know, the robot what, uh the, the robot was supposed to be turn into rubble. uh, 2 years ago, uh, rochelle was supposed to have run out of artillery shells about 2 years ago. that didn't happen. so what are we going to do? either we're going to tell the truth, but that's totally unacceptable. or we're gonna keep plus branding these fantasies

. because what else is there? you know, if they start telling the truth, ha, too many questions, that kind of stuff being at start being asked. and people are going to have to start answering for everything that they've been doing. they've been selling this story that ukraine can actually defeat russia. and you know, how can you, you've been repeating this obvious line to any one play as any sort of knowledge for 2 years. how can you all of a sudden back track now you can't, you know, they're just going to go to the end. it's like supers last days you know the ship where thought until the very last moment that you know some miracles going to happen. some wonder about there is going to save the day. i think the last keys in his own bunker thinking the same thing and all the people supporting him. that includes the me, a condo in washington, they have the same mentality. now it's the hitler bumper mentality and you can't, they can't get away from it. because if they do,

they have to admit the feet. but what happens when you've met the feet from the, this indispensable nation? all of a sudden is shown to be mortal. that suffering to feed at the hands of these lowly russians. and that's it, that's the end of everything. everything crumbles. the stakes are too high. yeah. well they and alexander alexander also being complicit in a jet aside. and in gods, i mean this is a double when you miss a year and you're in columbus. i mean, and they're, they're banding about $60000000000.00 a bit. columbus could use a little bit of that money. maybe nashville could use a little bit of that money. i this victoria knew and said, you know, they cut when congress comes back. they're in their districts right now, you know, and they're going to sell the war. i'm sure a lot of people say, well, what about bridges? what about schools? what about health care? so let's face it half the countries poor. they, some people need some help. misty. yeah, no question about it, and yes, i do live in ohio and we often joke in the state of ohio that our state symbols

should be changed to the orange traffic coming because our roads are a mess. so yes, peter, we could use quite a bit of that money, frankly, for our infrastructure here in the state of ohio. so and we know, listen, we know this is not new to anybody who isn't paying any bit of attention to foreign policy in this country for any amount of time. scores or racket. smedley, butler told us that years ago joined us on showed us in 2014. the goal is not a successful war. the goal is an enlist weren't, we're seeing. i mean, we have a report out that lockheed martin's going to increase the production of high mars rocket rocket monitors by 60 percent. as you mentioned, we have the u. s. official officials are now openly saying um in reports to the washington post that they see ukraine has an active in bountiful military research opportunity to kind of reminded me of hillary clinton with a rock that we need to see a rock as a business opportunity. they are just saying it out loud and what's so frustrating about that is that they can get away with that and that the american public doesn't immediately stop everything that they're doing and say, wait a minute, that's not right. and so uh, but i think it, we're starting to see the they'll be lifted on that for sure. yeah. steve. hi there . misty is making reference. that pop piece that came up in the new york times. i

mean that thing was a biblical in length. ok. what they, they talked to a over a 100 uh operatives and all that. i mean, it was a disgusting puff piece, but it, when you read the article, you're going to come to the conclusion that the united states and russia were at war. are we at war but you know the width with the see how i is doing helping me ukrainians is the i is involved in killing russian civilians. steve as well. i think that's what they want because when you've got the chrome talking about food, it's on the ground of salt and germany is, i know we're not going that way. they're talking about the sending the balance building to find the you can't even stop russia and after the you're going to go into the crime. the next. i mean, it is just absolute easy. but you really getting some glimmer of truth in that piece in the new york times relating how this all started back with the crew that the c i a and us did back 2004 and they're not talking about the assaults on give us a diesel engine,

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[000:00:00;00] the the welcome back across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter the about around you were discussing. you create the . okay, let's go back to alexandra in belgrade. what are the in the, it's for bowden in, in mainstream media to talk about peace. okay. that, and we never hear that from politicians in the media. well, the media is more hawkish, been politicians are, it's, it's a, it's a different age right now. it used to be the other way around. okay. and now we have the media tearing on endless war here. but this is a problem here. we had

a process and this then bull weeks after the complex started. i'm sure you all know about it. if you watch, i do this, i didn't, so you know about, and you watch gun greenwald, you know about it jimmy door, you know, about an account with other really smart, smart people that are not credited with the establishment. but there was a process and it was the west that torpedo didn't. and it's still torpedoes negotiations. alexander. yes, well, i can not draw parallels in 1992 in february and march. uh, actually uh, the 3 people that make up the boss be good to going on. uh, service is the service, the mazda ones and the cro. it's under that european community at the time. it wasn't called b or then a peace agreement was brokered. uh, let this call list have been agreement or to continue to plan as it was call and

all 3 sides agreed to out to an independent boss, the out of equal power sharing, etc. you know what happened? well, the american and bassett, or do you this while you would still existed at the time warrant zimmerman. he met with the muslim leader, i'll use a declaration, he told them all, you don't have to sign that, you know, will help you. so what happened? he backed out of the piece. the disagreement and war broke up. a similar thing happened regarding possible in late 1998 or early 1999. uh there were uh they were peace negotiations and a french castle and rumble. yeah. and then madeline albright decided to raise the bar to offer some unacceptable conditions on the serbian side which no country could accept. and but that was used as an excuse to start bombing yugoslavia in 1999 without,

without the security console was totally illegal. but they actually cause war, they wanted war, they didn't want pics and was the same thing. and ukraine. so when we watch you praying from serbia is like watching uh, rear on all the very that. uh you know, tv series. yeah. it, well, you don't miss the that they, this is what it, what it always gets down to. i mean, when there's a possibility for a piece, it's always squashed. oh, okay. we know biscuits december, uh, in 2021. the russians, as the intentions were building up, they said, you know, here we have 2 proposals, one the dealt with our ukrainian neutrality and nato ok, and not expansion of nato and nato should need to go back to in the 1997 parameters, completely ignored. i mean, those were doable. very doable things. very reasonable things. then in this sample it was doable. it was reasonable. that was rejected as well, or as johnson denies it, but everyone in a knows the truth. it did. he was involved in that go ahead,

misty. yeah. no question about that. listen that peter, there is no profit in peace, and that's really the issue here is that the west is essentially the economies of the west or run on deaf and war and chaos and destruction. and so they, they need to continue these words, they need, it is necessary, essentially for their survival for the survival of the people that own the politicians. and so, i mean, you mentioned that you know, the, the, in my opinion and i agree with you 100 percent. i'm so glad you speak on this and that you hold them accountable. but i think that the media is a far bigger threat than most people are giving them credit for. i think that easily they're one of the greatest threats that he adapt. humanity faces right now because they're the ones that sell these wise. they're the ones that sell these words. i mean to bring up a sondra again, join us on show that every well a more of the last 50 years has been a result of media lies. and if we're can be started by lies in peace, can be started by truth and that is why the media works overtime to sell this stuff and why they so infrequently. and in fact, never talk about peace. and when they do, it's usually to smear out it. and so it make it seem as if that's a, a ridiculous and unreasonable request that there be peace in the world. and so it

is, it is an insane world that we live in where the talking a piece gets you looked at is some kind of a, you know, crazy qu bring trader. it is interesting times. yeah, yeah. i a steve, it's always munich. 1938, isn't it? with these people here. yeah. and you and it unit happen, but that is a unique event. it doesn't repeat over and over again as i like to think. you know, steve, what is the your feeling and will congress eventually give the money will, with the speaker of the house cave, because you know, they, this is ridiculous man for that. you know, money will solve everything. it doesn't, steve. i think what stops it is missy was saying true, i may keep in mind. it's not just what the media says that are live. it's what they don't cover. there is truth. i mean, they're good in dozens of people killed and on their face. reason others to vision locations have no military involvement at all. and yet that does not get reported at all in the west. if one's division is still the guy,

so it gets your headline news. why is the media not covering what's going on and on this been done, bass, and there's other reasons what they silence is more important sometimes in the life but the lives they're telling or is it that if you take pete is going right? the parent who's going right to play that bad, but they have to have this beer planted that he's going to conquer. you're in the next, the all state. i mean, you know, you, this is the years what, what the american public is fed in the west in general is that the russians are aiming to conquer france, but they can't, they can't conquer half of ukraine. how can they both be true with the same time? i mean, they've never been able to explain that to me. keep going to be the same way. they can explain how we set hundreds of billions of dollars there. and they refused, and our side refuses to give them the accounting of where the money is going. but i have funds for teenagers not that many years ago when i would give them money on friday and they would ask for more on saturday. i would say,

what did you do when you do have some of the congress finally asked the question as well? i wanted to say something, but i shouldn't say it on air. okay, but i know what you mean. okay. this though, you know it's spending money like there is no tomorrow. oh alexandra, you're from the very, very beginning. this has been a lead project. the ukraine is and they lead project here. we saw this in this, the munich security conference. we solve this concept in paris is completely at odds with what people think on the ground. i did on monday when these uh you leaders meant that they talk about farmers in agriculture. i wonder because that's a real issue from of many, many people in europe. alexander. uh yeah, this thing is, uh, obviously of it is the rolling leads in the west have totally lost touch with the people. and the main goal is actually give the goals and geopolitical and, you know,

people are just being used as instruments. jim vocal goal has been the same for 30 years. uh, get moscow under control, get phasing under control. it's that simple. you know, it's like i've jumped out of some james bond movie, you know, there really is a conspiracy to have to rule the world. i mean, what, what else can you say? obviously they're not interested in these as we say, they don't care what the people say. they don't care that they're on, the farmers are in trouble. they don't care about any of that. they, the import migrants not just through united states, but to europe. so, you know, they don't care about their own people. thereafter. moscow thereafter, the natural resources of russia, the vast natural resources of russia and everything is totally being subordinated to that geo political goal. people are just being used as cannon fodder. you know, it's like it's easy for them to keep saying depressed. we sang and we're going to fight to the last few pregnant tomorrow. they're going to fight to the last

european. they don't care about your pm's. they just walk well alex and alex, i let me ask you a question. do your opinions, care about your opinions, okay. because i think, you know, if we have all step back, we look at this ridiculous um, uh, ukraine project unfold. what the most interesting thing for me is how europe came so easily to the united states. this entire elite, this thing we didn't, we didn't, we all know now the degree of lead capture in europe in being controlled by the united states has been really quite extraordinary. you know, you have sergeant schultz or i think he's a chancellor, but i called sergeant schultz standing next to biden. and bind is basically saying we're going to destroy the pipeline and means and these, they are nodding his head like a full body is alexander. yeah. yeah, but you know why it's such as buyer, you know, klaus swap from either you know, president of the world, economic for him as that is brand about having his own people in all the cabinets

of, uh, western uh, countries you know, up to a half who do the answer to it seems like the answer to the global is once again. and this lead capture that you talk about. i remember during the cold war uh, the western european states, members of the european community. at the same time, members of nato, they had a lot more sovereignty than they do now. how does that happen? well, i mean, alexander, for example, the whole situation with god. so, i mean, 20 years 25 years ago, europe had a very specific about position about the middle east, about israel and palestine. that's completely gone right now. okay. and what, you know, missed the, but with but for me that it's so surprising and disappointing is that europe is next to russia. okay. is that like, you know, far, far away and, you know, we've seen this with the energy crisis in europe. that was all self induced, misty? yes, 100 percent. and i think what's so interesting about this as a,

as the west points its finger. why? because of the senior, a lot of your uprooting for the various things that they do, whether it be war crimes or, you know, the, the idea that he wants to take over the world. they themselves are in fact doing that right? they're, they're, they're also committing the work crime, sir. i mean, actively engaged in genocide and gaza. that's just one of many places. i mean, we're legally occupying syria. mean there's a 100 places where we are doing really atrocious things. also the, the idea that he wants to expand and take over the world as nato was literally expanding to his doorstep, despite the fact that promises were made that, that would not happen. so i think what's so interesting here is not only just the rank of progress, the, but also the, you know, the good to accusing others. others of that what you are guilty of. and i think that we're seeing that in such an amazing a multitude of ways, right now taking place. right. the what a, what is so fascinating to me is that the people of europe are and listen, i'm an american, uh, you know, i, i can't speak to what they're dealing with, but i think that i'm allowing these things to happen, recognizing how it is impacting your life directly and the not holding your leaders to account. um,

not to say that americans are doing any better. we certainly are not. we're not holding our leaders to account either, but i think that those conversations desperately need to be had. and again, that's where the media comes in, because i think that that's where the media works overtime to stifle those conversations, to make sure that those topics are suppressed and not discussed openly. and that's a real issue. yeah, well, you know, you mentioned julie massage here. it is a this, that this tells you everything about journalism in the west. if they can't defend julian decides, then they're not journalists, okay. yeah, they're far, far worse words. i will not use this broadcast, but they're the ones that have, let us down as well. i never put faith into politicians. i used to believe in journalists, i only believe in individual journalists now. that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guess in nashville, columbus and bells writer. of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are key, see you next time and remember prospect the,

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