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a minimum of support. 5 pulls they have from the light from moscow. this is our to international. i'd say show of joshua the top stories this our back to the breaking news. the german army is considered a stripe on the caribbean bridge. that's according to at least 40 minutes conversation between high ranking german military officers. let's take a listen. i came to the conclusion that there are 2 interesting targets the bridge in the east and the munition depos above the bridge in the east is hard to reach. it's a rather small target, but the tourist can do it. the munition depos can also be hit if we consider the bridge, i don't think taurus is enough and we need to have an idea of how it might work. and for that we need satellite data. i don't know if we can train the ukrainians for such a task in a short time and we're talking about a month. what would a tourist attack on the bridge look like? from an operational perspective,

i can't estimate how quickly the ukrainians will be able to learn how to plan such an action and how quickly integration will occur. but since we're talking about the bridge and military buses, i understand they want to get them as soon as possible. i to, to discuss this developments. i'm joined out in the studio by our t correspondence this we need steve, thank you so much for joining us. let's start with the, the comment that was made after such hard calls statements, german, german, they will have to justify itself. what do you think about that? well, these are quite astonishing revelations, very, this points to germany's direct involvement in the conflict in ukraine. something which they've gone to great lengths to deny. now, as we've heard in the transcript, the talking about the destruction, an attack on the crime, the improves. now this has been a frequent talk. it's all about the crating on its west, in boxes and germany or the german military officials discuss the strategic amenities impulse, the importance of such an attack. now by talking about the total dismissal,

this is the, the long range missile that has just been some through the ring from the german jones. i will not show its over the supply. but if you remember. busy the german germany has to be pretty much forced into supplying the let the tongues that came on the great pressure from the united states. and now he's coming under pressure a to supply the tourist miss all. and that has been this round. it broke out in recent days between a bridge and pays alicia codes to buy so what both toy and peas or the the government potty m. p. 's who themselves have links to the both admitted to you and the intelligent services of britain. ben wallace, the former defense secretary, is also criticized show for what he said. repeating intelligence. secrets now shows himself is under some kind of political pressure, the conflicts in ukraine and the continued support for the conflict in ukraine in terms of arms and ministry. it is deeply unpopular amongst the german people. the

economy is suffering greatly on the alternative for germany. policy is on the rise, so he's under some kind of price, but there's no doubt that this leaves some serious ag on people's faces. and there's a lot of explaining to do, but as we understand berlin has declined to comment on the accusations to get hot. it doesn't matter. we need to ensure that from the very beginning, there is no mention that would make us part of the conflict. i am exaggerating a bit, but if we tell the minister now that we planned meetings and we'll drive by call from poland, so that no one notices that's already participation and we won't do that. so the day you have a, this tool cause a smoke and maybe it is driving through pohden. so nobody will notice and they talk again a little bit about how to get themselves into ukraine. and if this is a tool possible, they look to how britain go the storm shadow into crime. so there's lots of

detailed information on a lot of smoke and mirrors and deception. we understand the german offices we're discussing, the possible loopholes needed to avoid becoming directly involved in the conflict. what all the, what they just got, the number of ways of avoiding the accusations of being directly involved in the comments like one of the ways that they speak about is that the information exchange could be carried out between ukraine and, and b, d a. now this is the alms manufacturer that produces the tours based on those uh, the information exchange could take place a boot your lab. i use the german ad buddies, but this associating the german on false is from that line of communication. i'm from these accusations of direct involvement. now they talk about such a lot to me, it is being processed that are those satellite images would be given a detailed information for ukraine to target such targets as the crime in bridge or

munition dumps that they had that they talk about. and this could give them an accuracy of a range of, uh, the 3 me to so very, very deep uh, accurate information. and they talk about maybe sending technicians that. but this would come on to the guys of the alms. manufacturer ross at legitimate on forces themselves, of course uh the, the almost manufacturers will be delighted to this because the bowl that them is, solves a use of move that prophets increase. they also talk about the brits and how they managed to get the store and sell those into ukraine. but it was i how they managed to get them. and on they took about the possibility of the $165.00 to get some how uh the themselves can be perhaps adopted and mounted on those that cost. right. but it's a slow process. they say, if i would off show designs tomorrow's on the tours missile can be deployed, then it could take a month before they ready to use. because of course, it is a lot of training that's required to be able to use these kind of these kind of

weapons. and ukraine simply doesn't have a full size or equipment, but they've built a great legs. as we seem to disassociate the connection between ukraine on the gym and on forces moment, i understand what you're talking about. the direct close to connection between bugle and ukraine might concern politicians, which could lead to direct involvement in the ukrainian conflict. in that case, it can be said that information exchange will occur through m b, d a. and we will send one or 2 of our specialists to scrubbing house. and of course, this is coming. but from a political standpoint, it may look different. information exchange happens through the manufacturer. it's not related to us. so cool. say we've heard straight from the horse's mouth that talking about cutting. and it was, is probably worth mentioning, but also in the, in the transcripts that we, that we've seen and that we've heard. so far there's all the talk about um there's

a lot of people in civilian clothes with american accidents on the ground and you cry. now, we don't have to be a genius to work out that they're probably not the sight seeing inside you crate. and there's this kind of a hint that they could be some kind of help in deploying the taurus. and this all, do you think it is possible to hope that ukraine will be able to do everything on its own? after all, it is known that there are many people there in civilian clothes who speak with an american accent. so it is quite possible that they will soon be able to use it themselves. after all, they have all the satellite images pounces, so that we have it, this a, this great conspiracy and it does involve the other nations as well. the other nations that are being very critical of germany. and it's reluctance to deploy the tories, michelle, but as you can see, behind the scenes, the ministry offices of these nations seem to be working together. but in terms of

the conflict in ukraine, would these new weapons supplies really change anything on the ground? what is not clear that it would and we've seen over the past few weeks, that the conflict is not going in ukraine's favor. we sold the photo of, of the go, we should say, the liberation, perhaps, of, of the good and russian advances along the front line. now that has been fairly stocked take for some time, ukraine's counter offensive file. but there seems to be some kind of recognition amongst the western leaders. even the western media is a now was we're look simply acknowledging that ukraine kind of when the conflict as even being some talk of and negotiated settlement and which ukraine has to see some territory. now they're talking about crime a, which is of course, where the bridge that the, the targeting is, i know, so the don't yet, it's going to be against republics. so they're talking about in, in very, very different terms. now this is probably more to do with saving face for germany

amongst is western knowledge, but also i may be about uh west in the west and allies but also on the domestic front as well. where as we said, oh thats sholtes. he's coming on the extreme pressure. if you give 50 pieces they will be used up very quickly. exactly. it won't change the course of the war that's we don't want to hand them all over and not all at the same time. maybe 50 in the 1st ranch, then maybe there will be another transfer of 50 missiles. that's perfectly understandable, but it's all big politics. i'm guessing what's really behind it. i have learned from my french and british colleagues that in fact, with the storm shadow and scout, it is the same as with the winchester rifles. they may ask, why should we supply the next batch of missiles? because we have already supplied them? let germany do it now. perhaps mister foster has something to say on this subject so that we have it the west in weston officials, west and ministry leaders. all were getting talking about the supply of the scouts

and they saw the storm shuddering me. so on the, i guess kind of critical that germany has yet to do. so this really is more about saving face of presenting a united from when it comes to the ukraine conflict or to correspondence states we need. thank you so much less cos live now to mock and also a former member of parliament of humbug from the dealing party. thank you so much for joining us. as we understand that the key topic of the meet audio is how to avoid showing amy direct and german involvement in striking the cranium breach. why? or i think that sleep costs and jelly need this and knowledge of youtube. for example, some experts sized by the scientific, this service of the federal parliament that easily germany can be involved as a part of the wall as comp attends in that wall. and of course,

the political side doesn't want to do so even so everyone knows the training in the army is leaving a proxy law against russia, with the health of the nato states, immediate or you just by the us government. but, you know, we have a kind of how us drive the in between of france and john we inside of the you for the more we can see much, all goal is to step forward to say we want our troops might be even involved in the conflict and the job insight does the same both want to somehow include the hotline voltage states inside of the power about. busy inside of the union, but no one goes directly to be involved because then the every, the responsible for the just knows if that is so clear. so evidence,

then that would be a reason that russia would see the natal involved even in fact it's involved. but if the troops a more obviously involved, that could be the reason that the big a whole and the positions want to avoid that. but they don't want to see about that . holla, inc. investor sent all syndic, they should go for the like. well, that shows when we look into the minds of the german peace movement of the european piece. many countries in the global cells, bishop be a ceasefire negotiations and they shall go forward for that instead of playing some kind of game. so we involve or are we not involved we are in. busy but how far we are involved as always, measure of decision button meto interpretation is jeremy has already refused to comment on this issue. how the government be able to avoid responsibility here. a yes if you see of cause. uh, there is a refusal to command on that uh, leech, uh,

conversations um, yes its only that if you see how, how comes that people go that far in the uh, thinking and in their ideas we can see that since the beginning of the conflict in 2014 and the enemy and image has been brought forward by a large scale of responsible persons in the media and in politics and this and then the picture in the moment is internalize. and so there is no more thinking about. like if you look at the farm a. busy advisor of chance no matter. mr. voss, he was thinking like military was conscious. what was seeing there is no way you crank and when this war it's always just the leading to more and more desk on both

sides. if we really, you know, to me, but the general government provides you, trained with weapons and educates the soldiers. it just really match the conflict. so responsible in the military seem to us in german. yes. well, was saying, we don't need to be involved in this cause. we need to have some notifications because in the end, there will be no way to win this wrong event was very wise, but due to the line of, of the nato given by the us. but so many photos it and my whole french products, photos it as well. so the european union follows it more or less osh. um, we are in a situation where even then the military cause of the intel, the nice to bring the conflict problem and that is very dangerous because yes, then you always can try some how to handle your responsibility to someone on the

lower level. if you are responsible for the additional, the gentleman government, indiana is the polluted political decision. if they want peace, they kind of negotiations. so you can bring forward your training and government by know most of holding them this. what happens so far? if they want, just yesterday transfer the shoals said he wouldn't allow tour of supplies to get to ukraine since this weapons could be used by camp to hit targets as far away as moscow, which shows does not want the germans to be involved in gold plans to be made without shoals knowledge. what would that mean? yes, we don't know for sure. all 5, i'm not sure as of this, this, it might be that was across it as a military strategic personnel. we are discussing different possibilities, different ways. so the codes go into the conflict all because act in conflict

or in fostering of actors inside open conflict. and there are some kind of different uh strategies we discussed. so that can be a discussion about one strategy. but i think even the discussion shouldn't take place because that should be clear. advice of the government. we don't want to be involved in that. well for the official buicks, the applies, we don't make some kind of games. how we could move was different strategies. but yes, it's always, you know, i, i don't know how far military in germany really ex, on itself. but of course always military has us as dynamics in every state. and so i don't know because i would know, you know, it would be open in public where, uh, what is going on directly, but we,

we kind of know who gets the advice or just do something on, on his own. so that's not for us as scientists or as a part of the peace movement to the side. that's, that has to be found out by different sources. all right, we're going to have to leave it there for now martin and also for my member of parliament of hambert. thank you so much for joining us. thank you as well, all the best and let's look for peace. or at least the russian foreign minister, saturday laughter of is speaking now other and totally out of diplomacy for a turkish government initiative to promote corporation and peace and meet the numerous challenges the world us makes it less. listen and deeper into some of your personal insights, sir. talk about some pressing issues that our world is facing and some of the intricacies that have helped shape your

unparalleled career. ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming the minister of foreign affairs for the russian federation. mister west, how get of the thank you mister level. welcome back to the inside of diplomacy farm. it's good to have you back. it's a pleasure and it's an honor. i'd like to begin by asking you your very broad assessment something from 30000 feet of the current geo political situation. we are in a world where the balance of power is changing. the world order is changing. we're seeing the decline of perhaps globalization, a move towards a multi polar world's maybe an increased importance of smaller groups that had previously been neglected. well, thank you very much for your welcome and for the respect to the

encouraging multiple later to i would speak with josh. ok, well i certainly that make us by the ladies and gentlemen. so it, it is on actually what's on goodies. what should read like means on up in here? should i press anything else? so they believe i'm still the same with that. make us for the ladies. benjamin's. the list is a figler shade. you know like to the photo. think the comments for the most station or to the i'm telling you the most diplomacy for him. it was a visit with us for him. it 2 days ago. the best girlfriend go to replace the window. so last night there was a time when i wasn't unable to get that tech agent isn't as soft as the structure of the country prussia sentence, the rescue teams and equipment. and remember to hearing the aid and then the president of the one that you just recalled,

without that period of sweets in the coming here today with this really multiple hour, it is indeed a reality sort of a little please solver. today is it to is not because someone decided to challenge the west almost to the distance that trotter because it is the single that's the natural course and then meet with events it the festival. i think we can only see it nowhere. and it's brought into the full ground as of this new powerful states. china and india are the most note of those. they have a record. so i cannot make gross, they just know they are a mustering show. michel to modern technologies. jessica and the china stuff in the good is no longer felt to live the united states as the main long term challenge to the north american dominance. but let's not forget, it is up to china. you go by to cheese. oh, it's covering positionally is it might be playing the rules invented by the united

states and supported by other western states within. so with that concept of globalization, it's simply a free markets, which honest competitions, respectful, private, promising, homeless presumption of innocence, the data there, i knew he did, there still, and when they saw decimals, that sort of them if that. so i don't even stick to the rules and institutions that they have created, such as the i a map of the world bank. you face the dominance. he is, the china is still growing foster and each one of them they are and is that it's always laying them on the can nomic developing field. do you think that the started to college was relo a slow? it's what it is. you slowed down. so let me keep the end, but there are many complaints that the w t o like you to present in. you'll go a sofa course, there's little unscrupulous competition around that and the next we see that strip them. i think i am f, if this book or i don't know,

i'm sure there's many attempts to block post extras and those name it boards even though the bush with a very expensive goal is to move to the united states. i suppose. like you don't have to lose their, of you to a little boy know how to think videos and they're still, if the rules are to be able to to. but for the most interesting part, is that all the principals and tenants of the free market that he showed what ran away the, the side issues of an item in the united states decided is up to the time of russia though you go that route. but it appears that for us, it is up on the scale it as for what we had the warrant out west and colleagues especially is about 4 years in the that that would be disastrous consequences of an i ne, to expanding to the east under. and you're pretty getting coughing that this week of the country. the security is in place. i think list is ukraine. patients the we want about the state to do on acceptable action subject to the regime was low, but we've decided to destroy everything russian and ukraine for the coup d'etat in

24 months to, to binding russian education. and those are not true in language. we are going to do this and that will, even if you speak to someone that wants to shop clack, of them in russian, or they can do not use of a zillow to use the little one. could you imagine just using island did expanding the english language or switzerland disclosure should be battling french or exposure damage developers. it's unimaginable if the silver was. that's what happens in ukraine. looks like doing this with that as a national director of what i see here with the west, directly condoning all of that is that we made direct appeals to you to the west of sullivan. i just need them to bring some, just ordering to that to them. and we, it just said that these anti constitutional for the provisions need to know riled because of the constitution provides the rule of make sure that you're using so

that since the rights of that the russians and other national minorities need to be respected for example. but that did not have, you wouldn't have a she wouldn't do for the any result. i'm so president added one and the minister of foreign affairs of kentucky and as a fed up folks to, to you know, work. but the other thing about these, the international wasn't being in crisis and then you failing not ocean low to manage your what kind of processes you're so that i usually do cranes and palestine . where common examples each in the display of the shipment. indeed, more than the disorder that we are now seeing. no, no, it is real genuine, but i'm not sure whether the u. n. is to blame for that. so in the training case, the united nations played. it's a role in place to go spend a lot of people spend off to the bloody cool field under the fish. instead of the

put your service in washington is the parties to sign an agreement in 2015 to the why the producer guaranteed by germany in front of us doing the un security council solicit, approved how to get that agreement to name. if you're not a mistake to deal with felton resolution fulfilling, which made that agreement to you and also the binding questions for the parties. and it's not just security councils fault don't store. it just says luxury. and you can see that those agreements that the business wouldn't have it to be honest, but peaceful as they confess to later because of the all the parties accept president putin because we're never going to abide by them. they said they just wanted to win some time for us to pump your training for the weapons if the to be used against russia. and that's how it came to these at the pictures of everything you're seeing now. well, you see the key part is a, the confirmation is the fact that it is plus the original plan to never compromise, that i see those are floods to push on to the bitter end. and obviously you,

the time you crane into a spring board does the new, what else does a plus projected threats against russia? that's all very bored as those with those plans when you need to see what it will still it'll still have. and of course, the, of the instruction of russian culture. so everything russians to the land, which was originally settled and developed by russians where they build the roads. the thing is that the new ports is low and ships to the bush on the war. so it's not fault of the international community is just embodied by the un. i'm the united nations charter is relevant to this day that there's a principle that has not been respected by the west to us. it says that the united nations that young them is found in the principle of silver and the quality of states, such as your country post as such as the new name one conflicts that took place after the wind was founded to swear, the west and the thoughts of that sort of treat because of all the participants in

the process as equal. so as i would say, full great unions as we saw with the ukraine, resolution was the so called minsk agreements. the west also never considered russia as a country that has to be respected, has to be the most efficient. for those uminski on the codes you've been showing, nearly stipulated that a small ponds view crane's west, the trans east will have the right to speak. russian incentive teach that children in the russian language. so it's like a slips and they have their own. local police name is also nicholas refutable and that they should be consulted with in pointing judges and prosecutors assemblies to share. so it's nearly the same as the service port or what president much on the issue is given to drunk to it's the cost of countries here, the thoughts are just elizabeth and much smaller than the degree of autonomy then. and then what exists in many western countries, 4 people, police, ethnic minorities, use their shooting. and there's also

a solution for palestine for this case, which was adopted unanimously exposed to the security council. and the general assembly is subject all green. that's the 2 state solution is necessary here. what's appears the box in the midst of those resolutions were undermined and of the political activity gates and the united states. they just don't think dividends of the international concepts, the, or the rush of the united nations out of the. so you, for what 20 with the west. and instead of that, they should use nice little conducted. some, we get that back, which is go shooting activities, which turned out to be the price. the result of usually in the concrete solutions from the affinity of police to end up with how the stain is would not go any kind of states, just the inspections of the police. could i see we've got a few said that palestine would be part of the winds up the spot, they would not get their land to should. and so the state is political. the state

is quite would.