the, the, [000:00:00;00] the i'm action or 10 seen. welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world, from the u. a as 1000000 space starvation in palestine. today protests to being held all around the world against the u. k. u. s. you nation on genocide in palestine of to tens of thousands, mostly women and children, have been killed by nature, a nation weapons. it comes up to the fatal demonstration of one u. s. f. for the soldier this week are in bushnell. he set himself on fire outside washington's is riley embassy, shouting free,

palestine with his dying breath says he's ready. security and the gunners him all. this is joe biden, but just more billions of dollars from the usa to israel to carry out the genocide, one journalist who drives to hold us to account inside our cab, washington bureau chief for our codes newspaper. he joins me now from washington, dc. thank you so much site for coming on the show, millions demonstrating as i said, all around the world today. i against this war in palestine and tell us what it's like to be in that state department briefing room. people can watch that on the, on the answer that your questioning of buttons representatives. i mean you're, you're asking questions of representatives of alleged co conspirators in genocide. what's it like as well? thank you for having me. yes. and i'm honored to be with you on this program at 1st of all, i mean i, i do i go there every day basically,

cuz i need to my job. that is my job. the state department has always been my be i used to go to the, to the white house at one point and i stopped doing that because uh, i get a great deal more uh, from the state department than i would otherwise have from the white house. so, and you know, 1st of all i go there because i need to do my job and i'm focused on us foreign policy, security and policies. that, of course, everything else us related because to be quite honest, i'm a one man show here for my newspaper. so that's number one, i go there with this mindset. you know, i need to know what are the a dynamics for the day or for the week in general. so i can approach and see where the us stands on these issues. i don't go there for showmanship and i definitely don't go there to score points. i quite simply go there to ask my question and be able to write about it because you are there with

the other journalists and you witness. when you talk about showmanship, jo john cubby was there. uh, i think um, i say a month ago giving some briefings. he's now moved onto the white house, giving them. and you see matthew miller and you've seen, i don't know whether it's showmanship. i wonder whether it's genuine, the pain in the faces, as they talked about the events of october, the 7th. how do i compare that to the pain they show in their faces when we're talking about, well now millions, obviously facing famine in gaza, but before then the 10s of thousands, mostly women and children being killed by americans. weaponry. yes, it is the difference of day and night, no doubt about that. you know, i was a spokes person for the united nations and the rock. so i know it, this is not an easy job for any person to sit and basically be a mouthpiece for the, for the, for someone and more so for the government,

the united states of america. and it has a very aggressive policy all throughout the world. it has $700.00 base it also out of the world that the number of boys that are ongoing. so they are, they have a plateful of priorities uh to the good to do the bidding on behalf of their government, that they're doings everywhere. everywhere for me, for the past in any issue which i, i focus on the defense did and i states of america is complicit in this war. i mean it, since it never shies away from say, then we are 100 percent behind as well. they supply them and what ends with them, with money, with munition, you know, yeah, they ensure that as well as you know from the addition to continue committing and stop in genocide against the palestinians and they provide them with political cover as we saw when,

then they invited states where basically vetoed and i've called for a cease fire. so the on the one hand, as you, as you mentioned, there is a very strong and paddic and very sympathetic, good as on, on behalf of a rep. and there is always almost dismissive at fostering and towards the palestinians. we saw this that when the president himself and his spokespeople all throughout, whether in the white house or in the state department basically dismissed the number. the top 10 is killed. you know, they said this is exaggerated so that is a total dismissal. the attitude towards the life of 1000. yeah. and so, yeah, you know, you, you, you have to approach it with an open mind because, and you want to see what works in the back of their mind. but what's going to happen this, how long was a nice day to keep that it's support. it's a, you know, unequivocal support of this is randy genocide, the policy. so,

and that is the motive behind that. my question then that's how i read what they say back to me. do you think other john lives in the room? believe it when far from my, your, your view of, uh these, uh, these actions, the representatives of the, by the new ministration say, no, no it's we the one piece it's we the one the palestinian 2 state solution. we want to with that using leverage for negotiations to save the babies of gaza. do you think uh, i mean katie, your tap is weighted by that, but other people in that room that really think that that's the case as well. my colleagues in the state department when informed that they travel around the world, a company, the sector of state on all is at chips. many of them do every, each and every one. a trip is that he so they know, i mean, you know, they are aware they know what's going on. they ask the proper questions and sometimes they have the day work for different organizations with different

priorities and different policies. and you know, so they are, and they are aware for sure, you know, when there is something that is solid rages and being said by, let's say this both person, whether on that and not, not buying or not that and knowing whether and event a particular event is true or not when it comes to the palestinians, like pulling good the incubator, tubes from babies and so on. as we have seen in many a hospital and guys of casting down on that. and then you see that the, my colleagues actually had to stand up after this both person and they point out to a different sources. that's because of that. but you're right. i mean, the united states of america support this war and has supported it from the very beginning. i just pointed this way and also often has always made that you know, excuses for it and doing what it's doing. i mean, as go back to the killing of that and the past in an american journalist really in

a box and well they have done through basically cover for as well. so this is a consistent policy, but they don't get it get away with that. the a great deal of the time we, you know, they own their fee to the fire, myself included. and we tried to show that, you know, the discrepancy, the gap and between what they say and where they actually do. you see there was some 1234 months ago that we were hearing about people not happy with the state department of lincoln state department, and they were resignations within the department of presume you're reflecting what you're saying that what is the state of the state department right now that all the people who are opposed by these policy gone now. well i tell you what, i think of this the pipe in general uh, career diplomats, a career that people that's work for the state department, especially those who focus on and they have that warrant piece issue in the middle

east and so on. they are fully aware and they know there is a great deal of the, you know, bitterness and you know, among an employees high level employees in the state department, they want an immediate cease fire. many of them do. we've seen hundreds of them expressed and like a submitted to and that's the state them south. we saw that particular state. yeah . but after that blank and responded to those employees that we see this in the white house. we see this in the democratic national committee, for instance. we see this in the usa id and we see it everywhere. we see it in 22 different federal agencies basically locked out of the job to protest added the ongoing war and to call for a seized by so that feeling asked and still there it is still and it's getting stronger. and there you have restrictions feeling the need to have and we saw and

yeah, on the tuesday, the 26th fine. since during the primary, on the 27th of the of february, we saw that that and the primary in michigan and the non committed a vote grant or something like 25000 level. it's a lot more that was expected about 50 percent of the boat. so the, by the invitation knows that if it continues down this path, it is actually in trouble in terms of re electing the president. so they know all of this and the feeling is still there and i in fact isn't getting stronger. yeah, i'm not sure about usa id and the tweet from samantha power, but here's the, hey, as you say, please, you're going to the ball or not. samantha far enough was standing. you know, with the michigan primaries. i mean, do the if, i mean is it? it'd be lost already. i mean, you're saying they're maybe they're slowly beginning to understand, but do they don't realize that the actually, the nail in the coffin of buttons re election johns is, isn't, isn't guys in jersey that absolutely, i think gather is going to be

a major issue in this election, i know americans a vote their pocket book. they bought the, their economic situation. this time around a and the american public, especially young democrats, that goes under 30 with every poll after poll. it shows that a guy that matters a great deal for him. policy matters a great deal. they see and in fact, the older ones. yeah. they see that that us their policy whether and i've got to stand the way and yeah, they pulled up the and he went in to kind of a withdrawal. and they, they say we, they see that that is a folly and a grain war. and definitely, and guys, uh, guys, uh, and there sort of an agenda is a great deal of emotion. and we see it everywhere. i mean, its every event, every event that by then goes to a real election event that he goes to, he encounters put testers that call him genocide. joe, that qualified immediately expired. so this is a, an issue that will continue to be there for months to come, even if there is

a issue as far as that, the problem suggested no, on monday, the 26th, when he said that we might have a satisfying place by the following monday. so if you know, with all the yeah, still, yeah, when it proceeds and again, as we've seen a whole that was actually published on wednesday that the 28th and that way that showed 70 percent 70 percent of american. all american republicans included at once and immediate c spikes. so yes, it matters. they got what is going to play and that the going to be big in the $22040.00 election. well, as you say, the present bible with an ice cream uh, on a late night talk show. no one really understood what he meant. these really governments that and he didn't just have before we go to the break. good. tell me about what

happened is we're in the state department briefing room as you knew about our in bushel, who set himself a light outside these ran the embassy down the street in washington, dc with his dying words being free, palestine. i know it was sense that don't cnn, bbc of that nature, nation media saying he just burned himself outside the embassy, but without mentioning why, as well. and in fact, uh they did the absent and uh, both the new york times the washington post. and in fact, cnn, other news agency, they like that especially. yeah. so they did, they, uh, especially after, at 48 hours had elapsed on tuesday, the $27.00, a lot of the stuff was said they showed, they pointed to the costs, low volume related himself. and so, and the state department, there was a great deal of sadness. i mean, you know, people are horrified by such action that is really an extreme. and yet more of

a protest as, as in the bush themselves said, vibe before he and you know, this is towards himself as a sort of speak. so yes. and in fact, and it with the asked about and they as the state department on tuesday, i believe after a couple days had the labs and yeah, yeah, the spokesman said, but you know, you said the details for his family and so on. and all these things, but without a doubt, this is a sad thing of it much shipped. i remember i was around when the to the asian, how much was easy, the same thing on spark date revolution. basically i need to, i remember i'm old enough to remember and what has happened? well, what was happening during the war and so would they, or, you know, buddhist monks on someone. this is really an extreme mode. i stream an expression of protest and it leaves and i'm but the feeling of sadness and everybody's a mouth side are kind of, i'll stop you the more from the washington bureau chief,

for our codes newspaper after this break, the, the, the, there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth is the case of the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is the 3rd

world will receive re washing press for so the funder line likes to say we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals, which allow me something living on line. we have very close propaganda. you know a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. some more questions ask the better. the answer is will be the welcome back to going on the right, and i'm still here with the site. eric at the washington bureau chief of how good news by side we were talking about what it was like, what it is like to be in that state, developing press briefing room and the bite and administration the dying days of it . is there knowledge in that room about matthew miller, who us questions from every, every day used to work with bulb and then this response to the us act that said anyone try to boy, god,

israel could be said it's up to 20 years. we know bowman end is ended up a you know, in a career and done for corruption, of course. and that was miller's boss. matthew really used to work for him and now he's the one answering questions about the lead genocide. anyone trying to stay clear about in effect matthew miller, the by the blinking breast above and spokespersons involvement in previously covering up corruption and his bias gaily on the palestine issue as well. the spokes person in general is treated as such as the spokes person. he comes in, we see him as the person who's gone conveying to us where the government stands. we pose to have that question that we think of that matter. he either knows a lot of these issues and tells us exactly what the american position is or he comes back to us at what these positions. if he's unaware of it,

we don't sit in judgement of what people do. we see what they are doing now. what they're doing at the moment, what could they can say at the moment whether he gives us the access that we need to have, whether he's that are cooperative and, and be up because because also to the spokes person. and it definitely speaks on behalf of the government and but also he's like the, the link between the journalist and, and the, and the escape the secretary of state. so that's really what focus that we have focused on. we don't look at and the, his background that is a personal thing and, and all my days and my as decades of calling to the state department and really ever, i saw a personal issue comes up in this and these beeping, my colleagues and myself, i try my best to, to maintain a professional level. i, we keep in mind, i mean in a, in my case when we say that i don't pay anything for granted. i know that calling on any drawing list is

a courtesy. it does not arrive that we haven't read the spokes person and many other countries don't have this situation. i have very many advocates. yes. and so it is a, you know, we sit there and you know, i must, uh, also admit that i have been called upon every time. there was not a single day in which i, when i called the upon to pause my question. so that's, that's what i am focused on. i and i don't know how i would feel if i'm not school diploma. i'd probably be a little upset for a day. yeah. but it should be getting a bit more blaze away. i mean this week we had uh, had a few miller say they don't order or other countries about and it took um associated press which, which is not really covered itself in glory. uh, give me in recent complex. but then of course, one of the saying, well, unless you invade them and then as often, but of course there are tens of millions of them being killed, wounded or displaced in these recent us invasions over the past decades of yep.

yeah. well we, we all appreciate it. okay. uh, colleague and matthew lee, uh, who's a very good journalist and ask for a lot of good questions. and so i want to know the issues. and but that way, when we have the luck, we know that the government is going to as the government then i think has always defended itself against that to a question. i mean, i remember doing the iraq war and the smoke depot of the voucher are and many of us, you know, and what, what come on mccormick and they would, they would come and defend this whole rotate crime. it was an awful crime, or you're going to have the libya bombing and all these things. so in the us of the, an aggressive nation, it has an, a huge interest. it's a huge long the practice is a germany all over the world and then relief for sure. it has the fleets and then carry a task force, a rolling load around it is always threatening and black mailing and other bad

countries and so on. so that the spokesman is going to be on their behalf. i mean, the, i know one, let me say on ukraine, this phrase that mila uses and is echoed presumably and all the tools you point unprovoked. invasion of you. great. when does any good, john lives in that room? believe this phrase unprovoked, which act goes out of europe in capitals as much as it does. right? congressional politicians. i mean it's katie, it would design to, to me simple. yes, that is, you know, i tell you what that say, i mean the issue on your grade has been raised many, many times since 2014 says before and then says before then, i mean i, i'm old up and i've been going there day after day that and i pulled a lot of questions on a grant in the past when i had the opportunity went, oh, i mean, we know, and that the russia, for instance, try to avoid a going at toward they did they and knew uh many times we asked about the point that brush up,

but right before the war began in 2022. this is the things that were basically dismissed and thrown in the trash can buy at the american administration . and so, and we know that there were many efforts we are aware of this, the i a aspirations and your grant, and no way before this more of the kind of 2022. so no, i mean they don't get away with us in terms of what they, they say, i mean there was always, there's always, and i have people that are willing to challenge them journals that are willing to thousands of on these points. and now i understand the american corporate media is that basically is a, you know, some subscribes to the adage that differences stop at the water edge, you know, the, the old american accidents on. but you know, some things are. so start and that the, they do get prompt and they do get no pointed out to the spokesman over yes. except

that say, well, they don't really talk about the big headed babies, mass rape and all the propaganda that came out initially off to the october the 7th . a resistance attack. is that because they know that all of you will go hang on the evidence isn't there even though they did so in november? i mean, yeah, they would just like, i mean it, all right, the timeline and in fact, when i said listen, this has been a different story time and time again. they say no, no, it's not a different story. when we say about the hospital that task of the hospital and, and guy that with our ship, our actually, or any of the other hospitals. and they say, well, you know, and how mass using the human shields and so on. and they don't really, i mean the, these are just the, the best words that the, there's rain and the point, the end, the path. i don't know what the human shield is. it really isn't that invention of those rates, they don't want, they used have strep. the past and it gets in front of the jeep to prevent the

other kids from focused on. so this is an old is randy tactic. so, but it's really, it's a color to basically say it's ok to kill civilians develop hospital to go in and all these things. then we have seen and one and the case with the hospital twice and, and one hospital after the other that it's all lines. i mean you know the decapitation, it's a lie. the mass rate is a lot. i mean, you know, and they stick to it for a lot of them, you know, and they hope that by not talking about it, it will just go away. and by that time the lives are already out there. but then give me a sense of what do you think it is, the israeli government running the state department or the state department running the israeli government? because clearly, as they look uncomfortable, sometimes when you ask them about them uh, obvious and clear violations of amy principal of the 1945.

is it these really government running entity blinking or no, i don't think so. i think it's the other way around the united states and this partnership between that, jason is with america is the bigger partner america will take whatever it wants to get out of it. go and jump because it's interest. it says the headman is, you know, israel is a american baby, they will protect it until the very yeah, you know, there's a great deal of problems will influence in america. there's a very powerful as really lobby many in fact, the 2025 deal with that again is around a dream about um, a package is uh no, no, no but, but that is a absent that is only allowed because the united states of america wants it a lot and if i didn't want it that i should see despite you can do it immediately. i mean, we all remember what and 1982 when reagan, you know, picked up the phone and called as really gone club and i beg and he said, we're not gonna stop this now. and he stopped it now in 20 minutes. and so, and we know that by them himself, back in 2021, for instance,

a called the and the and they can yahoo, you know, on, i think it was made 10 on may 12 and a 2021 and the last war. and he said that that you run our runway enough is enough and he stopped him. so we know, and this partnership is red, really lives on an american umbilical cords, whether it's uh by, by, within, by money, by look to support by every which way. okay. just find that. yeah, now that now then i'd say may not be willing to use the leverage, but as a great deal, remember, it will just finally then i'm speaking to you from the you a doesn't, don't care about what the saudis, what the, you a think as view a being a co sponsor of this is fine, the initial you at and the security council resolution reminding us he's why before the us and i think then the u. k. the veto did then. okay, well inside the arabian, the you a thank and then i say it does not have our lives there. nice day to consider

whatever, you know, those countries that it's quote, it's like basically our clients, the state will be provided with protection and so on. so that they feel that they can impose their will and they have, we have seen them in the past. and when they are convinced that this, that the policy is a failed policy. because 1st of all, it did this whole war has not a given israel. and the ability to achieve its goals, which is, you know, the cabin taishan of how mass the hunting of leadership and the reading the hostages by force and changing their gene with all pill. so when the u. s. is convinced that this is actually is a failed policy and of course the policy they was isolated as a result of this as their license. but also the united states of america is totally isolated, i think only and at the left side of our god. thank you. thank you. that's it for the show. continued condolences to those very by

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