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the, [000:00:00;00] the i'm action are tense and welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the u. a as 1000000 space starvation in palestine. today, protests are being held all around the world against the u. k. u. s. you nation of genocide in palestine to tens of thousands, mostly women and children have been killed by nature,

a nation weapons. it comes off to the fatal demonstration of one u. s. f. or a soldier this week, and bushnell, he set himself on fire outside washington's is riley embassy, shouting free, palestine with his dying breath says he's ready. security him to gun that. him all . this is joe biden, but just more billions of dollars from the usa to israel. to carry out the genocide, one journalist who drives to hold us to account inside our cat, washington bureau chief for out goods newspaper. he joins me now from washington dc . thank you so much site for coming on the show, millions demonstrating as i said, all around the world today and against this war in palestine and tell us what it's like to be in that state department briefing room. people gonna watch that on the, on the answer that your questioning of buttons representatives. i mean you're, you're asking questions of representatives of alleged co conspirators in genocide. what's it like as well?

thank you for having me. yes. and i'm honored to be with you on this program at 1st of all, i mean i, i do i go there every day basically, cuz i need to my job. that is my job. the state department has always been my be i used to go to the, to the white house at one point and i stopped doing that because uh, i get a great deal more from the state department than i would otherwise have from the white house. so, and you know, 1st of all, i go there because i need to do my job and i'm focused on us foreign policy security policy. and of course everything else us related because to be quite honest, i'm a one man show here for my newspaper. so that's number one, i go there with this mindset. you know, i need to know now what are the, a dynamics for the day or for the week in general. so i can approach and see where the us stand on these issues. i don't go there for

showmanship and i definitely don't go there to score points. i quite simply go there to ask my question and be able to write about it because you are there with the other journalists and you witness. when you talk about showmanship, jo john cubby was there. uh, i think um, i say a month ago giving some briefings. he's now moved onto the white house, giving them. and you see matthew miller and you've seen, i don't know whether it's showmanship. i wonder whether it's genuine, the pain in the faces, as they talked about the events of october, the 7th. how do i compare that to the pain they show in their faces when we're talking about, well now millions, obviously facing famine in gaza, but before then the 10s of thousands, mostly women and children being killed by americans. weaponry. yes, it is the difference of day and night, no doubt about that. you know, i was

a spokesperson for the united nations and the rock. so i know it, this is not an easy job for any person to sit and basically the mouthpiece for the, for the, for someone and more so for the government, the united states of america. and it has a very aggressive policy at all throughout the world. it at $700.00 basis also out of the world that the number of boys that are ongoing. so they are, they have a plateful of priorities eh, of, to the good to do the bedding on behalf of their government. that their doings everywhere. everywhere for me, for the past in any issue which i, i focus on the defense did and i states of america is complicit in this more. i mean it, since it never shies away from say, then we are 100 percent behind as well. they supply them and what ends with them, with money, with munition, you know, yeah, they ensure that as well as you're not going to be addition to continue committing

and stop in genocide against the palestinians and they provide them with political cover as we saw when then they invited states that basically vetoed and i've called for a cease fire. so the on the one hand, as you, as you mentioned, there is a very strong and paddic and very sympathetic good as on, on behalf of his rep. and there is always almost dismissive of fostering of toys, the palestinians. we saw this that when the president himself and his spokespeople all throughout, whether in the white house or in the state department basically dismissed the numbers. the top 10 is killed. you know, they said this is exaggerated so that is a total dismissal. the attitude towards the life of palestinian. so you know, you, you, you have to approach it with an open mind because, and you want to see what works in the back of their mind. but what's going to happen this, how long was a nice day to keep that it's support?

it's a, you know, unequivocal support of this is randy genocides of policy. so that is the motive behind that. my question then that's how i read what they say back to me. do you think other john lives in the room? believe it when fall off from my your, your view of, uh these, uh, these actions, the representatives of the, by the new ministration say, no, no, it's we the one piece is we the one the palestinian 2 state solution. we want to with that using leverage for negotiations to save the babies of gaza. do you think uh, i mean, can you hold on to a best way to buy that, but other people in that room that really think that that's the case as well. my colleagues in the state department when informed that they travel around the world, the company of the city of state on all is at jokes. many of them do every,

each and every one a trip that he so they know, i mean, you know, they are aware they know what's going on. they ask the proper questions. so sometimes they have the day work for different organizations with different priorities and different policies. and you know, so they are, and they are aware for sure, you know, when there is something that is solid rages and being said by, let's say this both person, whether on that and not, not buying or not that and knowing whether and event a particular event is true or not when it comes to the palestinians like that. well i can get the incubator tubes from babies and so on as we have seen, and many a hospital and guys out a casting down on that. and then you see that the, my colleagues actually had to stand up after this, both person and they point out to a different sources. that's because of that. but you're right. i mean, the united states of america support this world has supported it from the very

beginning. i just pointed this way and also often has always made that you know, excuses for it and doing what it's doing. i mean, as go back to the killing of that and the past in an american journalist read in a box and well they have done to basically cover for his with. so this is a consistent policy, but they don't get it get away with it. the a great deal of the time we, you know, data on their feet to the fire, myself included. and we tried to show that, you know, the discrepancy, the gap between what they say and where they actually do. you see there was some hope 1234 months ago that we were hearing about people not happy with the state department, lincoln state department, and there was resignations within the department of presume you're reflecting what you're saying that what is the state of the state department right now, all the people who opposed by these policy gone now as well. i tell you what, i think the state department in general uh could be a diplomats,

a career that people that work for the state department, especially those who focus on and they have that warrant piece issue in the middle east and so on. they are fully aware and they know there is a great deal of the, you know, bitterness among an employees high level employees in the state department. they want an immediate cease fire. many of them do. we've seen hundreds of them expressed and let those submitted to and that's the state them south. we saw that the 2nd state. yeah. but after that blank and responded to those employees that we see this in the white house. we see this in the democratic national committee, for instance. we see this in the usa id and it, we see it everywhere. we see it in 22 different and federal agencies basically locked out of the job to protest added the ongoing war and to call for

a seized by so that feeling absence was still there. it is still and it's getting stronger. and there you have the restriction is feeling they need to have and we saw and yeah, on the tuesday, the 26th fine. since during the primary, on the 27th of the of february, we saw that that and the primary in michigan and the non committed a vote grant or something like 25000 level. it's a lot more than was expected about 50 percent of the boat. so the, by the invitation knows that if it continues down this path, it is actually in trouble in terms of re electing the president. so they know all of this and the feeling is still there. and i in fact it's getting stronger. yeah, i'm not sure about usa. i be in the tweet from samantha power, but here's the, hey, as you say, police are going to the ball or not, samantha far enough was standing. you know, with the michigan primaries. i mean, do the, if, i mean, is it, it'd be lost already. i mean, you're saying they're maybe they're slowly beginning to understand,

but do they don't realize that the actually the name and the coughing of buttons re election, john's is, isn't, isn't guys in jersey that absolutely, i think gather is going to be a major issue in this election, i know americans a vote, their pocket book. they bought the their economic situation. this time around the, and the american public, especially young democrats. yeah. those under 30 with every poll after poll, it shows that that a guy that matters a great deal. foreign policy matters a great deal. they see, and in fact, the older ones. yeah. they see that that us their policy whether and i've got to stand the way and yeah, they pulled that the and he went in to kind of a withdrawal. and they, they say we, they see that the folly and they have grain war and definitely, and gaza, gaza and their sort of an agenda is a great deal of emotion. and we see it everywhere. i mean, it's every event, every event that by then goes to a really election event that he goes to,

he encounters put testers that call him genocide. joe, that qualified immediately expired. so this is an issue that will continue to be there for months to come. even if there is a issue as far as that, the problem suggested no on monday, the 26th, when he said that we might have a ceasefire in place by the following monday. so yeah, you know, with all the, the yeah, still. yeah, one proceeds and again, as we've seen a whole that was actually published on wednesday that the 28th and that way that showed 70 percent 70 percent of american. all american republicans included at once. and it'd be that see spike. so yes, it matters. they got what is going to play and that the going to be big is a $22040.00 election. well as you say, the pressure by me with an ice cream uh on

a late night talk show. no one really understood what he meant. these really governments that and he didn't just have before we go to the break. good. tell me about the square in the state department briefing room as you knew about our in bushel, who set himself a light outside these ran the embassy down the street in washington. dc with his dying words being free, palestine, i know it was sense that don't cnn, bbc of the nature of nation media saying he just burned himself outside the embassy, but without mentioning why, as well. and in fact, they did the absent and the both the new york times the washington post. and in fact, cnn, of our new agents who they like and especially yeah. so going to the, especially after the 48 hours had elapsed on tuesday, the $27.00, a lot of the stuff was said they showed, they've pointed to the cost. so why you belated himself and so,

and they're certainly part of the great deal of sadness. i mean, you know, people are horrified by such actions that is really an extreme and get more of a protest as, as in the bush themselves said, vibe before he and, you know, this is towards himself as a sort of speak. so. yes, and in fact, and it with the asked about and they as the state department on tuesday, i believe after a couple days had the labs and yeah, yeah, the spokesman said, but you know, if you said that you feel as far as family and so on and all these things, but without a doubt, this is a sad thing of it much shift. and i remember i was around when the to the asian, how much was easy, the same thing on spark date revolution. basically i need to, i remember i'm old enough to remember and what has happened, what, what was happening during the war. and so, and with the, you know, buddhist monks on someone,

this is really an extreme mode of any stream expression of purpose and it leaves. and i'm, but the feeling of sadness and everybody's a mouth side are kind of, i'll stop you the more from the washington bureau chief, for our codes newspaper after this break, the public says yes. and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do. do not watch my new shelf seriously. why watch something that's so different. little opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do the have the state department c i a weapons, bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your facts for you. go ahead. change and whatever you do, don't want my show stay main street because i'm probably going to make you

comfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again, you probably don't wanna watch it because it might just change the way you think. welcome back to going on the right and i'm still here with the site. eric at the washington bureau chief of how goods, newspaper site we were talking about, what it was like, what it is like to be in that state development press briefing room in the bite and administration the dying days of it. is there knowledge in that room about matthew miller, who us questions from every, every day used to work with bowman, then there's response to the us acts that said, anyone trying to boy on israel could be says it's up to 20 years. we know bowman and ended up a, you know, in a career had done for corruption, of course. and that was miller's boss. matthew miller used to work for him. and now

he's the one answering questions about a lead genocide. anyone trying to stay clear about in effect matthew miller, the bible blinking breast above and spokes wesson's involvement in previously covering up corruption and his bias gaily on the palestine issue as well. the spokes person in general is treated as such as the spokes person. he comes in, we see him as the person who's gone conveying to us where the government stands. we pose to have that question that we think of that matter. he either knows a lot of these issues and tells us exactly what the american position is or he comes back to us at what these positions. if he's unaware of it, we don't sit in judgement of what people do. we see what they are doing now. what they're doing at the moment, what could they can say at the moment whether he gives us the access that we need to have, whether he's at the or cooperative and,

and be up because because also as the spokes person. and it definitely speaks on behalf of the government and, but also he's like the, the link between the journalist and, and that, and the escape the secretary of state. so that's really what focus we are focused on. we don't look good at their, his background, that is a personal thing and, and all my days and my years, decades of going to the state department and really ever i saw a personal issue comes up in this and these beeping, my colleagues and myself, i try my best to, to maintain a professional level. i, we keep in mind, i mean in a, in my case when we say that i don't pay anything for granted. i know that calling on any drawing list is a courtesy. it is not a right that we have a read, this books, person and many other countries don't have the situation that i have very many advocates. yes. and so it is a, you know, we sit there and you know, i must, uh,

also admit that i have been called upon every time. there was not a single day in which i, when i called the upon to pause my question. so that's, that's what i uh, focus on i and i don't know how i would feel if i'm not cold upon. i'd probably be a little upset for a day. yeah. but it should be getting a bit more laser way. i mean this week we had uh, had a few miller say they don't order or other countries about and it took um associated press which, which is not really covered itself in glory. uh, give me in recent complex then of course one. and they're saying, well, unless you invade them and then as often, but of course there are tens of millions of them being killed wounded or displaced in these recent us invasions over the past decades of yep. yeah. well we, we all appreciate a colleague and matthew lee a, who's a very good journalist and ask for a lot of good questions and so on and those issues. and,

but that way we have the luck. we know that the government is going to, as the government then, i think has always defended itself against that to a question. i mean, i remember doing the iraq war and the smoke depot of a voucher or, and many of those, you know, at the, with the, went to come or mccormick and they would, they would come and defend this whole rotate crime. it was an awful crime, or you're going to have the libya bombing and all these things. so in the us of the, an aggressive nation, it has the huge interest. it's a huge, long practice is a germany all over the world and the relief for sure. it has the fleets and then carry a task force, a rolling load around it is always threatening and black mailing and other bad countries and so on. so that the spokesman is going to speak on their behalf. i mean, the middle one, let me say on ukraine, this phrase that mila uses and is echoed presumably and all the tools you point

unprovoked invasion of you. great. when does any right? oh, john lives in that room. believe this phrase unprovoked, which act goes out of europe in capitals as much as it does. right? congressional politicians. i mean, it's clearly a wood designed to misinform yes, that is, you know, i tell you what that say. i mean, the issue on ukraine has been raised many, many times since 2014 says before that says before, then, i mean i, i'm old up and i have been going there day after day that and i pulled a lot of questions. i need a grant in the past when i had the opportunity went, oh, i mean, we know and that the russia, for instance, try to avoid a going at toward they did they. and the many times we asked about the point that push it out. but right before the war began in 2022, this is the things that were basically dismissed and thrown in the trash can buy at the american administration. and so, and we know that there were many efforts we are aware of this,

the i a aspirations and your grant, and no way before this more and began in 2022. so no, i mean they don't get away with it in terms of what they, they say, i mean there was always, there's always a people that are willing to challenge them, journals that are willing to thousands of on these points. and now i understand the american corporate media is that basically is a, you know, some subscribes to the adage that differences stop at the water edge and on the, the old american ad you then so on. but you know, some things are. so start and that the, they do get approved and they do get the pointed out to the spokesman over yes, except that's a well, they don't really talk about the headed babies mass rape and all the propaganda that came out initially off to the october, the 7th

a resistance attack is that because they know that all of you will go hang on the evidence isn't there, even though they did so in november. i mean, yeah, they would just like, i mean it, all right, the timeline. and in fact, when i said listen, this, it's been a different story time and time again. they say no, no, it's not a different story. when we say about the hospital that task to the hospital and, and guy that with our ship, our actually, or any of the other hospitals. and they say, well, you know, and how mass using the human shields and so on. and they don't really, i mean the, these are just the, the best words that the days rain is a point the past. they don't know what the human shield is. it really isn't an invention of those rates. they don't want, they used to strap the past and it gets in front of the jeep to prevent the other kids from focused on. so this is an old drain detecting so, but it's really, it's a color to basically say it's ok to kill civilians develop the hospital to go in and all of these. and then we have seen and one and the case of the hospital twice

and, and one hospital after the other that it's all lines. i mean even though the decapitation it's a lie, the mass rate is a lot. i mean, you know, and they stick to it for a lot of them, you know, and they hope that by not talking about it, it will just go away. and by that time the lies are already out there. but then give me a sense of what do you think it is, the israeli government running the state department or the state department running the israeli government? because clearly, as they look uncomfortable, sometimes when you ask them about them uh, obvious and clear violations of amy principal of the 1945. is it these really government running entity blinking? no, i don't think so. i think it's the other way around the united states in this partnership between that jason is with america is the bigger partner america was the take

whatever it wants to, what it out of a job, a and job because it's interest. it says the headman is, you know, israel is a american baby, they will protect it until the very yeah, you know, there's a great deal of problems will influence in america. there's a very powerful as really lobby many in fact, the 2025 deal with that again is around a dream about, um, a pad is, uh no, no, no but, but that is a absent that is only allowed because the united states of america wants it a lot, and if, if i didn't want it that i should see despite you can do it immediately. i mean, we all remember what and 1982 when the reagan, you know, picked up the phone and called as really garden club. and i beg and he said, we're not gonna stop this now. and he stopped it now in 20 minutes. and so, and we know that by them himself, back in 2021. for instance, a called the and the nothing yahoo, you know on i think that was made 10 on may 12 and a 2020 the one in the last war. and he said that you run our runway enough is

enough and he stopped him. so we know, and this partnership is red really lives on an american umbilical cord, whether it's uh by, by, within, by money, by look to support by every which way. okay. just find that. yeah. now that now then i'd say, may not be willing to use this leverage, but as a great deal to remember, it will just finally then i'm speaking to you from the you a doesn't, don't care about what the saudis, what the, you a think as view a being a co sponsor of this is 5, the initial you and the security council resolution on the money is he's far before the us and i think then the u. k. the veto did then. okay, well inside the arabian, the you a thank and then i say it does not have a lot. it's a nice day to consider whatever, you know, the, those countries that it's quote, it's like basically our clients, the state will be provided with protection and so on. so that they feel that they can impose their will and they have,

we have seen them in the past. and when they are convinced that this, that the policy is a failed policy. because 1st of all, it did this whole war has not a given israel. and the ability to achieve its goals, which is, you know, the deputation of how mass hunting its leadership and the freedom, the hostages by force and changing their g with all pill. so when the u. s. is convinced that this is actually is a failed policy. and of course the policy they was isolated as a result of this is really nice and, but also the united states of america is totally isolated, i think, only and at the left side of our god. thank you. thank you. that's it for the show . i'll continue condolences to those very by uga. you as you on bombing in palace, 911 in yemen, syria and iraq will be back on monday with full met trump communications director. now, did these kind of move to you until then keep in touch by all that social media? if it's not sensitive in your country and had to our channel going underground, do you feel normal?

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