and i'm action or dancing. welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world, from the u. a as 1000000 space starvation in palestine today protests to being held all around the world against the u. k. u. s. you nation on genocide in palestine of to tens of thousands, mostly women and children, have been killed by nature, a nation weapons. it comes off to the fatal demonstration of one u. s. f. for the soldier this week are in bushnell. he set himself on fire outside washington's is riley embassy, shouting free, palestine with his dying breath says he's ready. security and the gunners him all. this is joe biden, but just more billions of dollars from the usa to israel to carry out the genocide . one journalist who drives to hold us to account is either a cat, washington bureau chief or out goods newspaper. he joins me now from washington, dc. thank you so much site for coming on the show, millions demonstrating as i said, all around the world today and against this war in palestine and tell us what it's like to be in that state department briefing room. people can watch that on,

on the answer that your questioning of buttons representatives, i mean you're, you're asking questions of representatives of alleged co conspirators in genocide. what's it like as well? thank you for having me. yes. and i'm honored to be with you on this program at 1st of all, i mean i, i do i go there every day basically, because i need to my job. that is my job. the state department has always been my be i used to go to the, to the white house at one point and i stopped doing that because uh, i get a great deal more uh, from the state department than i would otherwise have from the white house. so, and you know, 1st of all, i go there because i need to do my job and i'm focused on us foreign policy security policy. and of course everything else us related because to be quite honest, i'm a one man show here for my newspaper. so that's number one,

i go there with this mindset. you know, i need to know what are the a dynamics for the day or for the week in general. so i can approach and see where the us stance on these issues. i don't go there for showmanship and i definitely don't go there to score points. i quite simply go there to ask my question and be able to write about it. but of course you are there with the other journalists and you witness. when you talk about showmanship, jo john cubby was there. uh, i think um, i say a month ago giving some briefings. he's now moved onto the white house, giving them. and you see matthew miller and you've seen, i don't know whether it's showmanship. i wonder whether it's genuine, the pain in the faces, as they talked about the events of october, the 7th. how to impair that to the pain they show in their faces when we're talking about, well now, millions obviously facing famine in gaza,

but before then the 10s of thousands, mostly women and children being killed by americans. weaponry a yes. eh, a difference of day and night, no doubt about that. you know, i was a spokes person for the united nations and the rock. so i know it, this is not an easy job for any person to sit and basically be a mouthpiece for the, for the, for someone and more so for the government, the united states of america. and it has a very aggressive policy all throughout the world at, at 700 basis, also out of the world that the number of boards that are ongoing. so they are, they have a plateful of priorities. uh, to the good to do the bidding on behalf of their government, that their doings everywhere. everywhere for me, for the past in any issue which i, i focus on defense, do that, and i states of america is complicit in this more. i mean it's,

it's the shies away from say that we are 100 percent behind as well. they supply them. and what ends with them, with money, with the munition, you know, yeah, they ensure that as well as you know from the addition to continue coming against job genocide against the palestinians. and they are providing with political cover as we saw when the united states. uh, basically vetoed and i've called for a cease fire. so the on the one hand, as you, as you mentioned, there is a very strong and fabric and very sympathetic as on, on behalf of it as well. and there is always almost dismissive of fostering as to where the palestinians we saw this when the president himself and it spoke people all throughout whether in the white house or in the state department basically dismissed the number, the top 10 is killed. you know, they said this is exaggerated so that in that total dismissal the attitude towards

the life of palestinian. so you know, you, you, you have to approach it with an open mind because you want to see what works in the back of their mind. but what's going to happen, that's how long was a nice day to keep that it's support. it's a, you know, unequivocal support of this is randy genocide, the policy. so, and that is the motive behind the my questions and that's how i read what they say back to me. do you think other john lives in the room? believe it when far from my, your, your view of, uh these, uh, these actions, the representatives of the, by the new ministration say, no, no it's we the one piece is we the one the palestinian 2 state solution. we want to with that using leverage for negotiations to save the babies of gaza. do you think uh, i mean, katie, your not tempest way to buy that,

but other people in that room that really think that that's the case as well. my colleagues in the state department are well informed that they travel around the world. the company of the city of state on all is at troops. many of them do every, each and every one, a trip to exactly so they know, i mean, you know, they are aware they know what's going on. they ask the proper questions, and sometimes they have the day work for different organizations with different priorities and different policies. and you know, so they are, and they are aware for sure, you know, when there is something that is solid rages at. that being said by let's say the spoke person, whether on that and not, not buying or not that and knowing whether an event a particular event is true or not. when it comes to the palestinians like that, i can get the incubator tubes from babies. and so on, as we have seen, and many hospital and guys up and casting down on that. and then you see that the,

my colleagues actually had to stand up after this post person. and they point out to a different sources. that's because of that. but you're right, i mean, the united states of america support this war. it has supported it from the very beginning. i just pointed this way and also out, and i've always made that, you know, excuses for it and doing what it's doing. i mean, as go back to the killing of that and the past in an american journalist really in a box and well they have done basically cover for as well. so this is a consistent policy, but they don't get it get away with it that a great deal of the time we, you know, they own their fee to the fire, myself included. and we tried to show that you know, the discrepancy, the gap between what they say and where they actually do. you see there was some hope 1234 months ago that we were hearing about people not happy with the state department blinking state department. and they were resignations within

the department of presume you're reflecting what you're saying that what is the state of the state department right now the all the people who opposed by these policy going now? well i tell you what, i think of this the pipe in general career diplomats, a career that people that's work for the state department, especially those who focus on the warrant piece issue in the middle east and so on . they are fully aware and they know there is a great deal of the, you know, bitterness and among an employee's high level employees in the state department, they want an immediate cease fire. many of them do. we've seen hundreds of them express and let those submitted to and that's the state of south. we saw that particular state. yeah. but after that blanket responded to those employees that we see this in the white house. we see this in the democratic national committee,

for instance. we see this in the usa id and we see it everywhere. we see it in 22 different and the federal agency was basically locked out of the job to protest added the ongoing war and to call for a seized by so that feeling asset is still there. it is still getting stronger and then you have the restrictions feeling. they need to have it resolved. and yeah, on the tuesday, the 26th fine. since during the primary, on the 27th of the of february, we saw that that and the primary in michigan and the non committed a vote grant or something like 25000 level. it's a lot more than was expected about 50 percent of the boat. so the, by the invitation knows that if it continues down this path, it is actually in trouble in terms of for you electing the president. so they know all of this and the feeling is still there and i in fact isn't getting stronger. yeah, i'm not sure about usa. i be in the tweet from samantha power,

but i use the hey, as you say, police are going out of all or not. samantha far enough was dancing. you know, with the michigan primaries. i mean, do the, i mean, is it, it'd be lost already. i mean, you're saying they're maybe they're slowly beginning to understand, but did they not realize that the actually the nail in the coffin of buttons re election? john's is, isn't, isn't guys in jerusalem that absolutely, i think gather is going to be a major issue in this election. i know americans a vote their pocket book. they bought the economic situation this time around a and the american public, especially young democrats, that goes under 30 with every poll after poll. it shows that, that a guy that matters a great deal for him, policy matters a great deal. they see, and in fact, the older ones. yeah. they see that us their policy, whether and i've got to stand the way and yeah, they pulled that the and that he will need to kind of a withdrawal. and they, they say we, they see that the folly and they have grain war and definitely,

and gaza, gaza and their sort of an agenda is a great deal of emotion. and we see it everywhere. i mean, next, every event, every event that by then goes to every, like the election event that he goes to, he encounters put testers that call him genocide joe, that qualified immediate ceasefire. so this is a, an issue that will continue to be there for months to come, even if there is a issue as far as that. the problem suggested no, on monday, the 26 when you said that we might have a ceasefire in place by the following monday. so yeah, you know, with all the yeah, still yeah. when it proceeds. and again, as we've seen, a pole that was actually published on wednesday that the 28th and that way that showed 70 percent 70 percent of americans, all american republicans included at once and immediate c spike. so yes,

it matters. they got what is going to play, and that the going to be big in the $22040.00 election. well, as you say, uh, the present biden, with an ice cream uh on a late night talk show. no one really understood what he meant. these really governments and he didn't just uh uh, before we go to the break. good. tell me about the atmosphere in the state department briefing room as you knew about aaron bushel who set himself a light outside these ran the embassy down the street in washington dc. with his dying words being free, palestine, i know it was sense that don't cnn, bbc of that nature. nation media saying he just burned himself outside the embassy, but without mentioning why as well. and in fact, uh they did the absent and both the new york times of washington post, and in fact,

cnn, other news agents who they like and especially yeah. so they did this and especially after the 48 hours had elapsed on tuesday, the $27.00, a lot of this stuff was said they showed they've pointed to the cost, so violated himself. and so, and they're certainly part of the great deal of sadness. i mean, you know, people are horrified by such actions that is really an extreme and mode of protest as, as they're the bush themselves said vibe before he and, you know, this is towards him so as a so to speak. so yes and in fact, and it with the asked about and they as the state department on tuesday, i believe after a couple days had the labs and yeah, yeah, the spokesman said, but you know, if you said the details by his family and so on and all these things, but without a doubt, this is a sad thing of it much trip. i remember i was around when the division come advise

easy the same thing on spark dave revolution. basic man to the, to the i remember i'm old enough to remember. and what has happened? well, what was happening during the war and so, and with a or in a buddhist monks on someone, this is really an extreme mode. any stream expression of purpose and it leaves. and i'm, but the feeling of sadness and everybody's a mouth side archive. i'll stop you the more from the washington bureau chief, for our codes newspaper after this break, the

fully need to be to need is long term committed to most of the relationship to kind of measure into the west and the train and bustling. so involved in taking sides or they need some taping signs and complex, which is actually one of the big problems that we face in terms of what credibility is this international kind of took too much the the welcome back to going on the right. and i'm still here with the site, eric at the washington bureau chief of how goods, newspaper side we were talking about, what it was like, what it is like to be in that state development press briefing room in the biden administration. the dying days of it. is there knowledge in that room about matthew miller, who us questions from every, every day used to work with bob menendez responsive,

the us act that said anyone trying to boy, god, israel could be said it's up to 20 years. we know bowman end is ended up a you know, in a career and done for corruption, of course. and that was miller's boss. matthew miller used to work for him and now he's the one answering questions about the lead jet aside. anyone trying to stay clear about in effect matthew miller, the bible blinking press to bob and spokespersons involvement in previously covering up corruption and his bias candy on the pilot stand issue as well. the spokesperson, in general, is treated as such as the spokes person that he comes in. we see him as the person who's gone can bank to us where the government stands, we pose to have that questions that we think of that matter. he either knows a lot of these issues and tells us exactly what the american position is or he comes back to us at what these positions. if he's unaware of it,

we don't sit in judgement of what people do. we see what they are doing now. what they're doing at the moment, what they can say at the moment whether he gives us the access that we need to have, whether he's that are cooperative and, and be up because because also the spokes person. and it definitely speaks on behalf of the government. and but also he's like the, the link between the journalist and, and the, and the scape, the secretary of state. so that's really what focus that we have focused on. we don't look at and the, his background that is a personal thing and, and all my days and my years and decades of going through the state department and really ever i saw a personal issue comes up in this and these beeping my collie and myself. i try my best to, to maintain a professional level. i, we keep in mind, i mean in a, in my case when we say that i don't pay anything for granted. i know that calling

on any drawing list is a courtesy. it is not a right that we haven't read the spokes person and many other countries don't have that situation. i have very many advocates. yes. and so it is a, you know, we sit there and you know, i must, i also admit that i have been called upon every time. there was not a single day in which i, when i called the upon to pause my question. so that's, that's what i uh, focus on i and i don't know how i would feel if i'm not cold upon. i'd probably be a little upset for a day. yeah. but it's been getting a bit more laser way. i mean this week we had uh, had a few miller say they don't order or other countries about and it took um associated press, which is which is not really covered itself in glory. give me in recent complex then of course, one of the saying, well, unless you invade them and then as often. but of course there are tens of millions that have been killed wounded or displaced in these reasons. u. s. invasions over

the past decades of. yep. yeah, well we, we all appreciate a colleague and matthew lee a who's a very good journalist and ask for a lot of good questions and so on and those issues. and but the way we mean to look, we know that the government is going to as the government then i think has always defended itself against that to a question. i mean, i remember doing the iraq war and the spokespeople of the voucher or, and many of us, you know, and with the, with come or mccormick, they would, they would come and defend this whole, wrote a crime. it was an awful crime, or you're going to have the live yeah, bombing and all these things. so the u. s. is an aggressive nation. it has the huge interest. it's a huge long the practice is a germany all over the world and then relief for sure. it has the fleets and,

and carry a task force, a rolling load around it is always threatening and black mailing and other bad countries and so on. so that the spokesman is going to speak on their behalf. or maybe i know one, let me say on ukraine, this phrase that mila uses and is echoed presumably and all the tools you point unprovoked invasion of you. great. when does any know john list in that room? believe this phrase unprovoked, which echo is out of europe. in capitals as much as it does, right? conventional bull additions. i mean, it's katie, it would design to, to misinform yes, that is, you know, i tell you what that say, i mean the issue on your credit has been raised many, many times since 2014 says before and then says before, then, i mean, i am old up and i have been going there day after day the and i pulled a lot of questions. i need a grant in the past when i had the opportunity went, oh, i mean, we know and knew that that a russia, for instance, try to avoid a going at toward they did they and knew uh many times we asked about the point

that brush out but right before the war began in 2022 a. this is the things that were basically dismissed and thrown in the trash can buy at the american administration. and so, and we know that there are many efforts we are aware of this, the i a aspirations and ukraine and no way before this more. it'd be kind of 2022. so no, i mean they don't get away with us in terms of what they, they say, i mean there was always, there's always a people that are willing to challenge them, journals that are willing to thousands of on these points. and now i understand the american corporate media is that basically is a, you know, some subscribes to the adage that differences stop at the water edge and, or the, the old american imagining so. but you know, some things are. so start and that the, they do get approved and they do get no pointed out to the spokesman over yes.

except that say, well, they don't really talk about the headed babies, mass rape and all the propaganda that came out initially off to the october the 7th resistance attack. is that because they know that all of you will go hang on the evidence isn't there even though they did so in november? i mean, yeah, they would just like, i mean it all right, the timeline and in fact, when i said listen, this has been a different story time and time again. they say no, no, it's not a different story. when we say about the hospital that cost to the hospital and, and guy that with our ship, our actually, or any of the other hospitals. and they say, well, you know, and how matthews and human shields and so on. and they don't really, i mean the, these are just that the best word that the there is rain is a point the and the past the, i don't know what the human shield is, it really isn't an invention of those rate. and they don't want,

they used to strap the past and it gets in front of the jeep to prevent the other kids from focused on. so this is an old drain detecting. so, but it's really, it's a color to basically say it's ok to kill civilians to bomb hospital to go in and all of these. and then we have seen in one and in the case of the hospitals, one has been and one hospital after the other that it's all lines. i mean even though the decapitation it's a lie, the mass rate is a lot. i mean, you know, and they stick to it for a lot of them, you know, and they hope that by not talking about it, it will just go away. and by that time the lives are already out there. but then give me a sense of whether you think it is the israeli government running the state department or the state department running the israeli government. because clearly, as they look uncomfortable, sometimes when you ask them about them uh, obvious and clear violations of amy principal of the 1945.

is it these really government running entity blinking? no, i don't think so. i think it's the other way around the united states in this partnership between that jason is with america is the bigger partner america on the take, whatever it wants to, what it out of it go and jump because it's interest. it says the headman is, you know, israel is a american baby and they will protect it until the very end. you know, there's a great deal of problems will influence in america. there's a very powerful as really lobby many in fact the 2025 deal with that. again as well . they do not have a package. there's uh no, no, no but, but that is a absent that is only allowed because the united states of america wants it a lot. and if i didn't want it that i should see this by, you can do it immediately. i mean, we all remember what and 1982 when reagan, you know, picked up the phone and called as really gone club and i beg and he said, we're not gonna stop this now. and he stopped it now in 20 minutes. and so,

and we know that by that himself, back in 2021, for instance, a called the and the nothing yahoo, you know on i think that was made in on may 12th, at 2020 the one and the last war. and he said that that you run our runway enough is enough and he stopped him. so we know, and this partnership is red, really lives on an american umbilical cords, whether it's the by, by within, by money, by low to support, by every which way. okay. just fine that yeah. now that now then i'd say may not be willing to use this leverage, but it has a great deal to remember. it will just finally then i'm speaking to you from the you a does not care about what the saudis, what the you a think as view a being a co sponsor of the ceasefire. the initial us and security council resolution on the money is he's far before the us and i think then that you gave a veto to them. okay, well inside the arabian, the you a think

a nice day it does not have our lives there. nice day to consider whatever, you know, the, those countries that it's quote, it's like basically our clients, the staples, they've provided with protection and so on. so as they feel that they can impose their will and they have, we have seen them in the past. and when they are convinced that this, that the policy is it failed policy. because 1st of all, it did, this whole war has not given this, with the ability to achieve its goals. which is, you know, there's cavitation of how mass hunting is leadership. and yet reading the hostages by force and changing their g with all pill. so when the u. s. is convinced that this actually is a ppo policy and it costs the policy they, which is isolated as a result of this as their license. but also the united states of america is totally isolated, i think only then at the left side of our god. thank you. thank you. that's it for

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