many people from countries right now integrated into the multi polar world, are enthusiastic about really building closer cooperation between the youth of the world. but also the young people and professionals from the west as well. who unfortunately, their governments have taken an unfriendly stance towards russia. but as always, we have to understand that that doesn't always corresponds to the feelings and ideas of the people living under those governments. so if this really is a world use for them that encompasses the entire world, and it's going to be a great opportunity for the use of that entire world to become more cooperative within with one another and build relationships that will stand the test of time on the so i love the person who is with the south africa university professor who should have a price and all the events. i'm the future of russia. i've got cool ration. so of course, my initial suspect 2 of the world use 1st of all was that it's such an exciting

space. and i saw the, the level of organization i saw a young and old people from other idea of countries. and so made was just a feeling of positivity and of course as the days progress and as i got into the hall, etc. i saw this extreme sense of belonging and inclusiveness amongst the young people, especially. i may give when i reflect on that, i realize that countries and you know, participation from countries that will not necessarily have these opportunities were provided with these opportunities via the was youth festival. and i think that is really amazing. what the over a 180 countries that are participating in the festival. well less oh from me physically. as always this case of your company, my colleagues ask you a time that will be with you and then stop with the out. i'd be due in february that the

the the,

[000:00:00;00] the, the hello i'm in l. a. chad, you are tuned into modus operandi. they're putting newton space is the latest type

probably and coming from washington as moscow test advanced weaponry, capable of navigating low earth orbit. today we'll dig into what all this hype is actually about and find out from a former soviet era scientists how moscow is light years ahead of washington in the newest space race. all right, let's get into the m o. the believe it or not, the world is working on space laws, modern ones because a basic blanket treaty was agreed upon back in the 19 sixties and with the advancement of both arms and technology and new space capable nations entering the scene. washington is reading the alarms to slow it all down by saying russia

is reading nukes for space. but just how true a statement is that exactly. to discuss it will bring in a man who is an expert in ballistic arms with the proper technological training in the development of them. a retired soviet naval officer. now a writer analyst, an author, andre montana. check out his latest book called losing military supremacy. the myopia of american strategic planning, you can see more of his musings on his blog at smooth b, x 12 dot blog spot, dot com. andre, always a pleasure to speak with you. thank you for joining the program. so so 1st up, reuters is citing anonymous sources, whom they say are from the us, you know, kind of applying persons within the intelligence apparatus that russians are

developing, quote space based anti satellite nuclear weapons, which the kremlin, they deny and has said is an outright fabrication and that moscow has no intention of deploying nuclear weapons in space. now straight away, what's your read on that situation? the same as it is usually my reaction to n your sol gold in throw off for washington the wish most of these publication. and we're all, all the info on the rock in intel, on everything else. so here is also primarily internal purposes. some say that it is regarding the situation with those $61000000000.00 in the electric financial aid to ukraine. but there is another version of this story which would be in excuse, because obviously that the declaration of the dentist will still be stablish contact with the russians immediately to discuss all this horrible thing. you're

still kawar or excuse for basically negotiating where it is for the united states, off the workshop on the uh, ukraine in the last few years. and the what's your miles to a customer off if you all the combined west. so they need to somehow restore some kind of communications on the official level. i saw that's also one of the versions was based on them. so they get, for whatever way the xbox, obviously a russian sauce and see when they say nobody wants to put the nuclear weapons in space. and the only thing that can grab on file is the fact that the rational already has a highly develop advi set. the light capabilities which are ground to base this we're talking about in this case about as 500 as 558235 new door 5 systems. and of course uh, coming well then most of the company there are really continuing work on what them

all. and so they, you clear 5 work space tab, which of course, you know, as any kind of space, a technology could be construed as the dual use. the what promotions primarily designed is the new class space back for the traveling boards, moss and all kinds, all the deeper space exploration. so that's pretty much it. we've recently heard congressman mike turner, the republican chair of the house intelligence committee, make some kind of cryptic remarks about these reports as quote, a serious national security threat. further adding to, you know, be on verified speculation. so i guess my next question is 2 parts. first can't something that is anti satellite simply be a device will call it that could scramble or damage or, or just render useless be targeted satellite without actually being an explosive.

and then how do we define the term threat given that these days we say words or violence, i mean anything the us doesn't like even a benign satellite in space could be deemed a threat. that for us. yeah. us there is, i mean, do you have an immediate issue? what does it mean? you don't clear a space that's a lot for us there. you don't have to pass satellite to explore or explode. you grab your wife in space, which one of damage, not only they are but you know, we are a circle life of the enemy. it could be something she oh, set the light and create a lot of uh, garbage space, bottom beach. no, we're talking about the technology which exist is, is all, they're both a washer and united states tablets and they call it ok. the instructor circle watch instructor set the lights august, the lights which can maneuver the or bits they can approach as options of the was there a reason you so uh,

do you whole several like it or do not estates. this is spectrum such a large down approach, the other set the lights. and if that will help this quote, it goes service 3, for example, the frame specially designed paint or what the optical assumes. so those people go satellites, rendering them absolutely useless. no, no, no explosion. so necessary in this particular case, what if it comes down 3 of those and step supply? certainly a gym and probably a do companies, some kind of explosives. why young dental force they can attach themselves to their desired satellites and explode. that's basically damaging or altogether evaluating the circle light, which was a target, if this technology thousands as well as the russian and russia antibodies based habits. so the only thing which could be new, clear there is there a power source which and some russians could have been using there. are you fill up

our satellites since lunch and savages. so you know, it's nothing you can share in this regard to s bought from dollars just as i just said, that as you'll correctly speak about the threat. so anything which united state doesn't like it declares threat. but elizabeth all this in terms of impacts. so to live paper villages, which are ground to base. yeah, rochefort, that's a very serious age over united states on disrespect. so, but again, who knows of what it is this all about, and washington, which is absolutely ungovernable right now in those courses as i would, i just say that it would be about this 60 want be on bowers, but there could be also some guidelines excuse for restoring some of the show contacts with the russians. then discuss this issue for cough a day and the getting the way to discussing or how to extricate or do not have

space with at least some more people of business. a left of that. that could be a very serious issue for the united states. okay. gotcha. so very similar to nuclear powered submarines that are currently we should add any used by the us or don't forget the threat that was the chinese spy balloon. everything is the threat . it's preposterous and again, they are very many let's keep in mind that most of their congress all do not have space. you know, it's basically the exception of the american military industrial complex. and do you want me to go back to argue howard's famous speech on january 5th, 1961. actually the full name of the phenomenon phenomenon she was describing was more just military industrial complex. it was a military industrial congressional complex. but as he is a granddaughter,

she's on those in power said that there is on she's been use their full name of this phenomenon sort of phenomenon. yeah. exclude their congressional complex congressional term from the complex was because she had a couple of abuse still in the congress and they needed to pass. now because you knew that if you will use that as it was originally called a safe, military industrial, congressional complex. some people in congress, my basically somebody passed these bills and that's is there how to deal with. and many people make, you know careers on the lot of money by promoting all kinds of bizarre ideas. they put down to the increase threats and or it, when you look at that sort of extra to what the issue, sol, fox, the orders if the logical achievement is in there of making absolutely. and effective extremely expensive robust, which field the pockets of both will probably hold them with a lot of cash. all right, let's entertain for a moment,

then be the concept of nukes and space. as you alluded to earlier, if any hostile satellite, we're carrying a nuclear warhead that, let's say, shoots down another satellite. the wave of gamma radiation would damage critical subsystems of that target. but it would also damage the systems of that said, aggressor, state satellites, their allies, even neutral countries. i mean, no, this would be in discriminant damage when it, well, you saw the with the suffering like would be any, depending on the range of their already ation emptying or left from our kinetic boss. which is essentially this impulse, which is the main wrap them in the case o, the lady of the wise. just give them a shot all over there, a near satellites, including your own. it can actually create a serious issue for the ground doing for a structure, including your own to, you know, that's, that was the case. and that you 62,

i believe they tried this on. and there was the funds to really serious situation with the greed in the heart. and from what i remember saw. yeah, it's not this precise rap on this last choice. welcome on if you wish, you know. but yeah, it's not practical and so on, right? there is an outer space treaty from back in the cold war days during the great space race resolution 1884. i believe that back then, the soviet union signed onto, along with the us the strictly prohibits the use of and the deployment of nukes, or w, m these into space. the u. n. g, a unanimously adopted this back in october of 1963 in response to these accusations, one report and said point blank that he stands by this agreement. even so this was a soviet era agreement, not russia's,

is my understanding. and that he is vehemently opposed to anyone deploying weapons in the space, given america's track record of retractions and withdrawals from numerous international treaties, such as j. c, po, way, the new start treaties. so many others. shouldn't the cause for concern? be that the you, wes, might be the 1st to deploy a such arms and a band in this decades old treaty. oh, absolutely. it goes around the same uh, 3, just with doing that it states almost worth the paper they assigned on it and uh, united states is what this called the uh, agreement from capable nation. yeah. as of now, i mean the nation there we're talking about the government. so yeah, united states thinks about itself as they're, you know, lots of free of any kind of obligation. yeah. it's absolutely possible that they want to, you know, put, you clear a rap on their, especially against the background,

or what is happening right now with russian both. and that's such a light uh, look on the development. and of course are actually expanding. so customization smith only in terms of the unit or a centralized box, what comes through their, what this call sphere up roger, which dramatically increases that all the awesome set of live constellations. and obviously as in his, with the light, i mean you can use or so it's going to be to use and few matters. think about how like to be in this position. so will they well plays that new in the sprays, most likely, especially considering that the russian knowledge and desperation all for the cart and somebody's duration of goods of what this company of all around them. so yeah, sure. then somebody needs, again, somebody needs to make a lot of money and a lot of money bulls to all those rates or owns what have you. then i'll hold great all those satellites or whatever they do, they will place in the orbit if they do it. but i'm sure that's the problem i do.

it's all crap. i mean, oh, this is fairly high. all right, coming up next with the strong possibility that donald trump may return the power in washington. could we see a new expansion of his fledgling and military arm now called space for us? we'll discuss it when we return with andre marty and i'll sit tight. the m o will be right back, the the hello and welcome to the prospect bullhorn. here we discussed some real in the

least russian states. never as one of the most sense community best. most all sun set up the in the system must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on the russians cruising and split the r t supposed neg, keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube tv services for what question did you say a request for check the the issue that we have the initial issue and what is patient's young lady,

special of the younger civilian motor pulse young petition today. and the, and chatting with them bustling the brands if show and she links on our to them. we have some sort of forward. and i'm wondering if somebody wants to get some dental insurance. sure. which one of the patients leaving out of the most useful to the point in good, good, i'm here. so by knowing me to the expect the smoke, but i'm gonna use the isn't boy more grammar and the by using the with somebody as long as the money being made. i'm assuming anything me ask my key at the united nations and no one continues. just test on them for that or can you, but

you're still showing what are you mean by the southern using the welcome back to the m o. i'm manila chance retired engineer andre marciano off is back with us. thanks for sticking around andre. so donald trump, he was not right for launching space for us. but the star wars program actually existed during the ronald reagan years. and after the fall of the soviet union, that program went dormant. now that space force is an official official actual branch of the us military. is there a cause for concern that space will also become militarized?

yeah, it will be in the country, it will become militarized. united states going to drive it and they're going to drive it based on the facts that are as i read the state that they owe. you can call me on damn, the united states low as the arms race, especially in terms of the ground forces and our insurance of their space. oh, my gosh, it's a very interesting question. don't forget that are you've not for russia, international space station will exist because the russians this arrest on and or of course, and that's what we're supporting it. so, and they definitely understand that there are some serious technologists and development, both in russia and china. so, you know what the united states will decide to militarize space one way or a not thinking that they can look our, you know, you're probably people thinking behind it. but again, do not forget it. it's all about making money. the whole, when i say why they lost the arms race,

is actually up only because of the interviewer to you will be there are a capability engineering capability of the united states declined per se because me in the last 30 years. but it is also in primarily so because they, i'm not interested in creating their factor 5 months, they need expensive weapons to make money. yeah. when you use or factor weapon, really, it's very many and effective weapons and that's how you make money. yes. or volume of weapons, not necessarily precision, or the effectiveness is the key to profit quantity, not quality, as they say, no. speaking of quality, last year, you and i, we discussed precision arms like the control missile and russian next gen ballistics are the us and d, o d, simply trying to play catch up with russia in this technological arena or they will get you off in

a thing in terms of such systems as 3 and one of those that have gone, which has both learned that back on about it, that shipping news in terms of control. well, i also don't of do not see anything comparable because there was this program which was closed because it was bad around successful. and then we have the situation was whatever the name of with dark you go down that shuttle. i'm already lost in both terms, which was supposed to be in line last year. yeah, yes we are. it's for, you know, the floors and we're talking about this. what prompt call that super duper miss sile why they were trying to do this. they deployed you one, they're basically a walk oper centrally of this thing in char money. and this is they say get off the launch. it become a properly really fast it because they want to come up with the what that's called the glide, the body. so hyper phone his body, but you know what, uh, who knows, maybe he will in this year they won't be able to place anything on there. and they still can,

they won't have any type of the warehouse which are compatible. those are called also can show which is scared now look only by me. it's 30 ones k, but it's also carried by issue 30 flaws, which makes it absolutely horrifying weapon, because you cannot even rack is those sort of wash before they have. they knew that when they looked at the satellite images, they knew there are basically there are no signal intelligence or out it will have like couple is so new. 31 case in the air definitely is what they probably can't are getting shot and they need it picked out a ukraine about it. yes, a lot. now when you have those congress, so 1st you 34th and brad bradley. well, i don't know how many buck large percentage of them jump carry this. i can show, i'll go figure out what this taken over and what is going to be using. so there you go. and then of course, you have the to you

a 22 m 3 m capable of hearing this and to let you know that they saw the us for us. do you want us to start teacher forms? so if you, yeah it's, um, it's a lost cause do more for yeah. people sometimes do more problems. this fair united states didn't go through this stage phrase of developing sort of phonics girls, me files, be them. and by shipping or be the whatever, the 5, something like russian k h o x 32 or s 22. they sent them and never developed it. they tried. it was worth of gold or what? so, you know, with the weight in gold, they just the bag on there. so most of them decides, for example, which are that shipping. they are some sort of proof that to retire soviet naval officer, now writer analyst and author andre marty, and all thank you. so much and guys,

be sure to check out his new book called losing military supremacy from clarity. press and check out more of his work at his blog at smooth b x 12 dot blogspot dot com. it was my very relation. thank you very much for having me. all right, that is going to do it for this episode at modus operandi the show that takes deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your house middle of chan. thank you so much for tuning and we'll see you again next time to figure out the m. o.

the take a fresh look around. there's a life kaleidoscopic, isn't just a shifted reality distortion by tell us to vision with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify. i will confuse you really was a better will, is it just because it shows you fractured images,

presented as fast can you see through their illusion going underground? can the russian states never as one of the most sense community best, most all sense and up to 5 must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on the russia to day and split the ortiz vote net, keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube, the fitness center. for the question, did you say steven twist,

which is the germany is preparing for a will with a rush claims, most guys, tubs of security officials. if one is a leak from the end of the equipment that a trip took outside of the job and the defense minister breaks his silence on the ruling scandal, which is part of an information for the putin is waging, there is no doubt at all. it is a hybrid attack of this information and i'll see you praying in full says all pushed out of the strategic setting of, of data by russian troops. our correspondence piece to locals who are account that will deal the green and forces. cedar told those who stayed here,