had links to ours, so have been killed in accounts of terrorism, operation in southern russia. it follows the shoots with the security services. the oxy steve sweeney sent us this report from the scene. well, this is the building where the minutes is hold up. you can see the extent of the damage with the bullet marks across the building and the windows put through and what looks like remnants in the building down here on the ground, including a child screwed. so you can see all around that. this is a residential area of a cut of boot, like in the english at the republic of russia. this is a navy or that sandwich between chechnya and also set you. and it was an area that has been played by elizabeth insurgency for around a decade ending in 2017 small crowds have been gathering outside and around the building over the course of the day. now, emotions are running high. we almost to speak to people who they were reluctant to

talk on camera, that even being some angry outburst which is perhaps understandable. the leader of english gotcha has arrived on the scene and he's expresses outrage of what's happened. but he also blamed m i 5 m i 6 of western intended services for their attempts to de, stabilize the region. our business up with obviously for your research, we cancelled anything without the west and this band. it's haven't appeared out of the blue who came here to improve live and protect english at the hot. that's why they, they are agents of the same m, i 6, they arrive and say, we want to save our and goes brothers. but from who look it's what's happening in the middle is save them because we don't need saving. we haven't everything, everything is not perfect, but it is fine. do you think we've got it all worked out? we finally got an exclusive access to the palm of where the 6 ices members were living until saturday night, when the intense bustle took place. as you can see here, the report,

it mocks everywhere. a scene of destruction ready, the windows have been put through clear operations around the way. now, when the fighting intensified, i, there was a fire in this apartment in this building, and the medicines made their way onto this apartment and up stairs while they tried to make their escape by tying bed sheets together and escaped through a window. now, rushing security services managed to neutralize the old of them. they did so without stuffing any casualties and they would know a casualties amongst the civilians in this residential area. so it was the sort of both of us, the special service has worked in accordance with warner and law. most importantly, they did not allow any bodily harm. thank god that no one was injured and none of our employees died. this is all because of the special services that define our public and the city of car block on a daily basis. so this is the spot assigned to the building where the medicine is

trying to make their escape. you can see from the top window that where they tied the bed sheets together to an active desperation. now you can see down here, there's a whole range of stuff that come from the apartment children's toys even. but if you come down here, you can see on this mattress it's soaked with blood and the blood is on the door as well here. so this is still very fresh and investigated to the still picking through the daybreak and try to work out exactly what happened there just, it was still nobody in here in terms of recovery. there shouldn't be any questions at all, because somewhere with me is that these people were on the run and found a place here. so people are here, they will be treated. and there will be a concrete, substantive solution to that and should only housing. but all the issues as well. there's also a moral component. this is a community that still very much in shock. a community that's traumatize,

a community that's angry, security remains tight on the situation for now remains under control. is this the sweeney english at your region football t a lot safer, less so this i would do head over to our website. all team don't com. that's for more all the stories that we've been discussing. plenty to keep you occupied until it back at the top of the next hour. bye for now. the hello and welcome to across the board. here we discussed some real in the hello. i'm in l. a. chad, you are tuned into modus operandi. they're putting newton space is the latest type, hobbling, coming from washington as moscow test advanced weaponry,

capable of navigating low earth orbit. today will dig into what all this hype is actually about and find out from a former soviet era. scientists, how moscow is light years ahead of washington in the newest space race. all right, let's get into the m o. the believe it or not. the world is working on space laws. modern ones because a basic blanket treaty was agreed upon back in the 19 sixties and with the advancement of both arms and technology and new space capable nations entering the scene. washington is reading the alarms to slow it all down by saying russia is reading nukes for space. but just how true

a statement is that exactly. to discuss it will bring in a man who is an expert in ballistic arms with the proper technological training in the development of them. a retired soviet naval officer. now a writer analyst, an author, andre montana. check out his latest book called losing military supremacy. the myopia of american strategic planning, you can see more of his musings on his blog at smooth b, x 12 dot blog spot, dot com. andre, always a pleasure to speak with you. thank you for joining the program. so 1st up, reuters is citing anonymous sources, whom they say are from the us, you know, kind of implying persons within the intelligence apparatus that russians are developing, quote space based anti satellite nuclear weapons, which the kremlin,

they deny and has said is an outright fabrication and that moscow has no intention of deploying nuclear weapons in space. now straight away, what's your read on that situation? the same as it is usually my reaction to n, your salt gold. intel offer a washington, which mostly is publication. and will all the info on the rock in intel on everything else. so he is also primarily internal purposes. some say that it is regarding designation with those $61000000000.00 in there. i'll legit financial aid to ukraine, but there is another water. some of this story which would be in next fuse box. so basically that the declaration of the intentional. so establish contact with the russian. so immediately we'll discuss all this horrible thing. so call our or excuse for basically negotiating where it is for the united states,

off the workshop on the uh, ukraine in the last few years. and what's your miles to a catastrophic if you all the combined west. so they need to somehow restore some kind of communications on the official level. so that's also one of the versions of the some of them. so they get, for whatever way the xbox, obviously a russian sauce and see when they say nobody wants to put the nuclear weapons in space. and the only thing that could grab on thought is the fact that the rational already has a highly developed and bicycle liked it, but the which is, which hung around the base. this we're talking about in this case about as 500 as 558235 new dog, 5 systems, yellow horse. uh, coming. well then most of the comedy they are really continuing work on what them all. and so they, you clear 5 work space style which of course, you know,

as any kind of space or just knowledge. it could be. busy construed as the views what the options are primarily designed is the new class space tag for the traveling towards mosse and all kinds, all the deeper space exploration. so that's pretty much it. we've recently heard congressman mike turner, the republican chair of the house intelligence committee, make some kind of cryptic remarks about these reports as quote, a serious national security threat. further adding to you know, b and verified speculation. so i guess my next question is 2 parts. first can't something that is anti satellite simply be a device, we'll call it that could scramble or damage or, or just render useless, be targeted satellite without actually being an explosive. and then how do we define the term threat given that these days we say words or violence,

i mean anything the us doesn't like even a benign satellite in space could be deemed a threat. the 1st yeah us, there is a need. you have an immediate issue, what doesn't mean your clear space circle like 1st there you don't have to have set the light to explore or explode. you grab your wife in space, which one of damage, not on a day are, you know, we are a circle lives of the enemy. it could be something she oh, set the light and create a lot of garbage space. bottom beach. no, we're talking about there, but the technology which exists is, is out there both the roster engine lighting stays tablets and they call it ops of instep and such a large inspector set the lights august, the lights which can maneuver the or bits they can approach as options the with them a reason you so uh, do you whole cycle live? it will do not. it stays this. uh it's stuck in

a circle. large can approach the other set, the lights and it doesn't help. there's no, it goes to produce 3. for example, the frame specially designed frame or would the optical assumes so to speak, although single lights rendering them absolutely useless, no explosion so necessary. in this particular case, what if it comes down to you to those and step as a glass sharpness of gym and probably do some things, some kind of explosives by young dental force. they can attach themselves to their desired satellites and explode. that's basically damaging or altogether evaluating the satellite, which was a target, if this technology thousands as well as the russian and russia engine that the space habits. so the only thing which could be new, clear there is there a power source which and some russians have been using that, or you put up our satellites since lunch and still haven't is so, you know,

it's nothing new and share in this regard to s bought for dollars, just as i just say, that is your product is fake at the bottom of the threat. so anything which united state doesn't like it declares threat, but elizabeth on this in terms of impacts. so to live capabilities which are ground to base. yeah, rochefort, that's a very serious age over united states on disrespect. so, but again, home, most of what it is this all about and washington, which is absolutely ungovernable right now. and of course, isn't what i just say that it would be about this 60 want be on bowers, but there would be also some guidelines excuse for restoring some of the show contacts with the russians. then discuss this issue for half a day. and the dictating the way to discussing or how to extricate or do not use states which at least somewhat of business to allow that that could be

a very serious issue for the united states. okay, gotcha. so very similar to nuclear powered submarines that are currently we should add any used by the us or don't forget the threat. that was the chinese spine balloon. everything is the threat, right? it's preposterous. and again, they are very many, let's keep in mind that most of their congress i'll do not of space. you know, it's basically the extension of the american military industrial complex. and you want to go back to argue howard's famous speech. on january 5th, 1961, actually the full name of the phenomenon phenomenon she was describing was more just military industrial complex. it was a military industrial, congressional complex. but as he is a granddaughter, she's on those in power said about there is on she's been use their full name of

this phenomenon sort of phenomenon. yeah. exclude is congressional complex congressional term for all of the complex ones, because we've had a couple of deals still in the congress and they needed to pass. now, because if you knew that if you will use that as it was originally called, sees military industrial, congressional homeless, some people in congress, my basically saw bypass these bills. and that's is there how to deal with. and many people make, you know careers on the lot of money by promoting all kind of the desire to use the breakdown to increase threats and or it, when you look at, that's what is actually what the issue, sol, fox, the orders if the logical achievement is in there of making absolutely effective, extremely expensive robust, which filled the pockets of multiple promo them with a lot of cash. all right, let's entertain for a moment then be the concept of nukes and space. as you alluded to earlier,

if any hostile satellite, we're carrying a nuclear warhead that, let's say, shoots down another satellite. the wave of gamma radiation would damage critical subsystems of that target. but it would also damage the systems of that said, aggressor, state satellites, their allies, even neutral countries. i mean, no, this would be indiscriminate damage when it, well, you saw the with the self and it could be any, depending on the range of their already ation emptying order from our kinetic boss . which is essentially this impulse, which is the main wrap them in the case. oh that's, that's amazing. all the wires, just give them a shot all over there, a near satellites, including your own. it's going to actually create a serious issue for the ground you and for us, the rapture is loading your own. do you know? yes, that was the case and that you 62. i believe they tried this and there was the funds

to really serious situation with the grades in the hall on it from what i remember . so yeah, it's not this precise wrap on this last choice. welcome on if you wish, you know. but yeah, it's not practical and so on, right? there is an outer space treaty from back in the cold war days during the great space race resolution 1884. i believe that back then, the soviet union signed onto, along with the u. s. the strictly prohibits the use of and the deployment of nukes, or w, m these into space. the u. n. g, a unanimously adopted this back in october of 1963. in response to these accusations, one recruitment said point blank, but he stands by this agreement. even so this was a soviet era agreement, not russia's, is my understanding. and that he is vehemently opposed to anyone deploying weapons

in the space, given america's track record of retractions and withdrawals from numerous international treaties, such as j c, p o way, the new start treaty, so many others. shouldn't the cause for concern? be that the you, wes, might be the 1st to deploy such arms and a band in this decades old treaty. oh absolutely. it goes all the same. uh, 3 just would do not. it states almost worth the paper they assigned on it and united states is what it's called the agreement from capable a nation. yeah. as of now, i mean, the nation there, we're talking about the government. so yeah, united states thinks about itself as they're, you know, lots of free of any kind of obligation. yeah. it's absolutely possible that they want to, you know, boot, you could have a rep on there, especially against the background, or what is happening right now with russian both. and that's such a light uh,

the development and of course are actually expanding. so all customization. smith only in terms of new address, otherwise box. what comes through there, what this call sphere up, roger, which dramatically increases that are awesome. so to live constellation and obviously as in his, with the light, i mean you can use or it can be to use. and few matters, think about how like to be in this position. so will they well plays bad? nope. in the space, most likely, especially if i'm sitting there, the russian knowledge and desperation off of the car and from ministration of goods of what this company of all around them. so yeah, sure. then somebody needs, again, somebody needs to make a lot of money and a lot of money bulls to all those rates or owns what have you been on hold great, all those satellites or whatever they do, they will place in the order of it. if they do it, but i'm sure that the problem i do, it's all crap. i mean this is fairly high. all right,

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the welcome back to the m o. i manila chad. retired engineer andre marciano is back with us. thanks for sticking around andre. so donald trump, he was marked right for launching space for us. but the star wars program actually existed during the ronald reagan years. and after the fall of the soviet union, that program went dormant. now that space force is an official official actual branch of the us military. is there a cause for concern that space will also become militarized? yeah, it will be in the country, it will become militarized. united states going to drive it and they're going to drive it based on the facts that are, as i already did, state that they owe. you can call me on damn, the united states low as the arms race, especially in terms of the ground forces and our insurance will. there are space.

oh, my gosh, it's a very interesting question. don't forget that. are you from off for russia is on there is no space station will exist because russians this where a rush on and or of course, and that's what we're supporting it. so, and they definitely understand that there are some serious technologists and development both in russia and china. so, you know, watch, united states will decide to militarize space one way or another. thinking that they can look our, you know, you're probably people thinking behind it. but again, do not forget it, it's all about making money the whole, when i say why they lost the arms race, does this walk only because of the in a few or 2 year old be there are a capability engineering capability of the united states declined per se, because me in the last 30 years, but it is also em from metal is so because then i'm not interested in creating their factor funds. they need expensive weapons to make money. yeah,

i'm quoting is the effective weapon veneer very many and effective weapons. and that's how you make money. yes. or volume of weapons, not necessarily precision, or the effectiveness is the key to profit quantity, not quality, as they say, no. speaking of quality, last year, you and i, we discussed precision arms like the congestion missile and russian next gen ballistics are the us and d, o. d, simply trying to play catch up with russia in this technological arena. or they will not get off in a thing in terms of such systems as 3 m. 20 pals that are con, which has both learned that back on about it, that shipping news in terms of control. well, i also don't of the do not say anything comparable because there was this program which was closed because it was background successful. and then we'll have the situation was whatever the name of with dark you go down that shuttle. i'm already

lost in those terms, which was supposed to be in line last year. yeah, yes we are. it's fine. all the floors and we're talking about this. what prompt call that super duper ms. sile why they were trying to do this. they deployed you one, they're basically walk up essentially of this thing in char money. and this is they still get off the launch it to come up properly, really fast it because they want to come up with the what that's called the black body. so hyper phone is body, but you know what, uh, who knows, maybe even in this year they will not be able to place anything on there. and they still can, i won't have any type of the warehouse which are compatible. those are called also can show which is scared now look only by me. it's 30 ones k, but it's also carried by issue 30 flaws, which makes it absolutely horrifying weapon because you cannot even track all of

those. so therefore deformed that they knew that when they looked at the satellite images, they knew there are basically there are no signal intelligence at all. we will have like copy is so new. 31 case and the air definitely is what they probably carry in job and they need it picked out a ukraine about it. yes it was. now when you have those congress, so 1st you 34th and brad abruptly. well, i don't know how many, but the large percentage of them can carry the same, can show, go figure out what is taking off and what is going to be using. so there you go, and then of course you have the to you a $22.00 m 3 m capable of hearing this. and the legend that i put to put they saw the new york for us. do you want us to start teacher boomers? so if you, yeah it's, um, it's a lost cause do not forget people sometimes do not on this there. united states

didn't go through this stage phrase of developing sort of funny girls me files be them. and by shipping or be the whatever, the 5, something like russian k h o x 32 or s 22. they simply never developed. it. they tried. it was worth of gold or what? so you know with the weight in gold and they're just a band on there. so most of them decides, for example, which are it's actually been, they are subsonic resides to retire soviet naval officer, now writer analyst and author andre marty, and all thank you so much and i'll be sure to check out his new book called losing military supremacy from clarity, press and check out more of his work at his blog at smooth b, x 12 dot blog spot dot com. it was my very relation. thank you very much for having me. all right, that is going to do it for this episode at modus operandi. the show that takes deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your house, manila chan,

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