the se, please as difficult until you need an intervention monday is the way i like to use this, that, you know, the dictates, or maybe just curious. i mean, so, regardless of you know, how you get the, of the rationale of zillow's ramos. i've been down for quite a long time on the general consensus, you know, officials and on it's on both sides of the deal and i, you 4 lives before and again, it's based on the go is thoughts on this level, the user, the bottom in just straight to the domain and the name for the policy perspective that allows you to feel like it. and so the interventions data i love to enjoy, what i'm asking you, sasha, of us a real which as you are politically for it, you know, from that perspective alone, as it says, launch the face and a hole in terms of the political with it. otherwise, anybody's looking at least space for 7 days is the same time from the time of the

evening. as you know, 10 of those pieces of thinking about intervention, the shouting in some, you know, for us that's probably most of them can at least see the us, i can see if this is the kind of feel itself. and so anybody, the comment is really going on, but the problem is, views of with the, quite some section a quite some uh uh, you know, i called before, not until you're expecting for a bit of assistance from the all right. now given the question of the results of the previous you and then us back permissions to hate in the past. oh, in your view, what is this new mission going to do differently to, to have that positive impact literally speaking to the us legs. it's kind of confused because i mean this is a full well over

a 100 years to me. i live in osha, they used to provide the same place on the 8th, and yet some glasses, they will go down with this. and so the general view of individual that's yet, but to us patients you know, to revise the assistance from the local police and the patients themselves and the governments. but they're seen from the standpoint that i think would be appropriate to us, you know, be losing out of 5 a, the interest on the policy on that. so call us back on the new side of things where there's normally just too much i'm so again, if you have the capacity in terms of, i'm in the visual data, this go to be a must see supports either by the locals themselves or people that are living in the but you can say yes otherwise that's not them seem to exist.

and so you would expect a solution that some of you are getting collisions are supposed to go down when you're thinking of honest thing done by of, by in the buy in north a message from beach i'm from says i'm so excited what some resistance i don't expect them a positive of buffer space use for this last the solutions i seem to be trained on where it is from them. so i don't see much from that perspective on talking about the literacy itself and the multiple guys. i mean, if you see where somebody was failing to use the missing something by a big imagine. and so there's going to be some new shows that i homework and i am going to be behind them. and uh, we know, and if i think of anything that was out there stripe out there on both sides of the coin, you might see what he's on the lease is going to explain something that had a muscle, of course, to solve the side of things. and choose the most of these in valuables. and so it

would be the model big on it. but it's a lot of the women that has the minds of the people that says a memo on my series is that another month. so if you don't like an unclearly, let me explain that this is what was going on in the i'm so the solution that i work. if you look at the vision, i've got to have some questions on the part. on those points i spend south beach on my on log for religious and we're supposed. ready to be laughing on the composite group i spoke to, assuming i haven't had internet courses, i was going to, i need to try to resolve the situation. maybe like the terms of applying themselves those some you don't have the so there's that. so we look at life that's i read in specially justin. so all right, we have to leave you here now byron that there are 4 my katie, a special forces less than no. thank you so much for your insight workers or, or to the comments where you can get more details of all the stories. well,

following this out, i'll see you again in less than 30 minutes the the time right. sanchez? i've been doing news about for 30 years and through language is all over the world here in the united states. have interviewed for presidents and i'm also working for the united states as major television networks. i'm not crazy about what they do. you see, i do think new should be impactful, but more importantly it needs to be honest and direct. and this is direct impact the for, i want to start with something really cool. so there's this image that's part of american history. it's not our best image,

but it's perhaps the most iconic visual of the war in vietnam and, and it, and it's in the news again because of something that some politicians are trying to push through, which i am going to eventually explain to you. but 1st, so let's talk about the image here. it is. that is what the end of the vietnam war looked like. a more that by the way, as you're looking at that image, a war that we lost. and that's important. see, i think it's important to admit that we lost that bore, you know, why 1st, because despite what defense contractors are politicians and the media who served them want us to believe it's the truth. and that's important. and 2nd, because that war was very on democratic, it wasn't a war that americans chose, in fact, it wasn't even a war that are elected officials chose no, it was a war chosen by and for c, i a,

let's do this now. let's go back to that image of the helicopter at the us embassy . and so i got, because i wanna show you something there, you see that see that image. and what's happening in that image is that the via con, who us troops spent more than a decade battling or about to take over their country and us soldiers, their friends and their families were scurrying to get out of the country. get out of sight gone. but there's something about that image that you need to know about. like most things having to do with the war. i think the over whelming number of american people think that this was an air force helicopter on top of the u. s embassy. it wasn't then dr. ended one of the most tragic and controversial chapters in us history and the air america had been there every step of the way. no, it wasn't. it was an air america helicopter, and the man to the right is a c age. which is befitting because of there's such

a thing is the beginning of the deep state, it probably happened around the time of the vietnam more, you know, why? because we now know that the bulk of that war and south east asia was started and conducted by an intelligent community made of elected or should i say, audit, elected officials, who had absolutely no accountability of the us congress or even the u. s. military . so if you're asking, what is this air america thing you're talking about, rick sanchez? let me explain. this is fascinating. you're gonna love this. they were a secret air force made up of civilian pilots, recruited by the c i a who reported only to them because they owned c. i a did the entire operation. almost everybody at one time, another headphone special project mission. so some type or another where they were briefed and, and told him, maintain secrecy. and a lot of time he really didn't even know what the project was. you were told to go

to a certain place and accomplish a certain thing. and if he didn't have a need to know, he didn't ask any questions. but you know, who was asking questions at the time. the vietnamese were sick and tired of the french who had invaded them, occupied them, and seemed to want to tell them what type of government they should choose. the fall of b and b and food brought an end to a century, a french colonial presence, an indo china essentially the same, the end of the frontier of the end, the beginning of an american bureau. so when the french were finally beaten back and they gave up and surrendered, somebody else stepped up to once again and tell the vietnamese what to do and how to jews and run their government. and who do you think that was? if you guess, see, i would be right and i did it with the help of none other than air america who executed their heavy work from a secret mountain hideout and allows

a country that borders vietnam and a huge arrow american c. i a complex this dirt strip quickly became one of the world's busiest airport. that place that you're looking at right there. that's a long chang. they are the see. i recruited and exploited a minority population of people who were called mon. and so they paid by the way and they outfitted and they trained to fight the north vietnamese. the united states saw the mom is being able to act as surrogates in terms of not having to introduce american troops into the area. so the central intelligence agency gave them long training and modern arms, so air america, pilots, and other employees were said to be or pretended to be working for a private transportation company. but their true mission was pretty simple,

beat back and destroy the new government of vietnam because c, i officials believed it was simply too cozy to friendly with china. from the beginning files, particularly those were involved in the covert operation side of, of the flying that were aware that they were at least working for the central intelligence agency. there was no attempt over to disguise this at the secrets that was the ownership of the company. and there was only a handful, doesn't fit, perhaps out of several 100. that would know that the company was in fact, owned by the central intelligence agency. with practically nonexistent oversight, arrow america under the direction of the c, i did what i wanted to do when ever it wanted to do it. and they also seem to answer directly to only one person who was also not an elected official. and happen to have the name, henry kissinger. and every night this information was coded and set down to just

mag in bangkok, back to washington and kissinger. yes. the vietnam war ended in failure for the u. s. military. it brought about the death of almost $60000.00 us troops and disastrous consequences for many of the people of vietnam and cambodia. and especially for the la ocean monk who are almost wiped out of leaving their children, were recruited in force to fight. and what was, by then a lost cause. towards the end, there were very few young man. we did our best to keep the 13 and 14 year olds out of the out of the line. but the they did show up and there was just the terrible and tragic loss of the young man is among nations. for all practical purposes, most of the generation of money was destroyed. one would think that

us politicians, members of the intelligence community, the military by brass and others, would have learned something from the horrors and the failures that we all suffered as a country from the vietnam war. we did. in fact, that model that was ushered in with arrow america, a secret air force accountable to no one but the c i a continued operating even expanded similar emissions in parts of africa. iran, latin america. in fact, some would say that it became even more brazen with attempted political assassinations prevented close and secret or proxy armies. but finally, finally, in 1976, one long us senator stood up to the c. i a and said by stuff enough. and as a result, the us select committee, led by frank church, determine that what they weren't doing was just on democratic and it was wrong, and it was cruel. and it's sense. so in a report detailing what they had done 6 link,

3 bits of information they put on. now you want to stop, right? you would have thought that that would have put an end to it, but did it. and then it stopped the so called deep state as it is often called the answer to that question. arrived in the 1980 the border between nicaragua and its neighbour, honduras, where the contracts are based becomes a war zone. the sandinista is declare a state of emergency and begin to remove peasants from villages in the area that includes the brutal relocation of the mosquito in use. that is when many of the same error america pilots who flew in vietnam were tied to another c. i a lead scandal which this time included elaborate arms deals with a ron and a drug running operation in central america that became known as the are on contract there. american pilots for interesting projects all over the world. they

flew and a half of the middle east. we had a lot of helicopter pilots around up and i ran right up until the shawl left in the tow. it showed up. so there you have that is how many argue it all again, call it the state, call it a on democratic policies, or maybe it's just foreign policy, run a mark, whatever it is, whatever you want to call it. we can say that it likely began with something called air america, which is once again and then is why? well, let me explain their americans in the news because of something being called the arrow america act offered by none other than republican senator marker rubio, who wants to guarantee the retirement benefits of the especially milledge and official military recognition to those 1000 or so us citizens, there may be more to work for the company who worked the for air america.

right. when we come back, we're going to be joined by none other than john kerry ok. now he works for the c i . c wants to have a conversation about this, and i guarantee you, it's going to be a good one. the,

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all right, let's get through it before we run out of time very is john kerry echo. let's have a conversation about this. just fascinating story. it is and, and the fact most people don't even know about this. i didn't know whatever america was. well, the see, i never even came out with an acknowledgement that error america was a part of the c i until well into the 19 ninety's, maybe after 2000 and it's amazing. they just went around america picking up civilian pilots and they created a company that wasn't really a company, it was all run by them. that's right. and that's kind of how we got into the vietnam war before the soldiers got there. and you know, an interesting part of the story, what has come out just in the last couple of weeks as part of the story is that it wasn't just weapons and, and rockets and mortars and things like that. they were carrying water, buffalo and chicken, and drugs and drugs. and you know,

this is how and i'm not saying no, i sighed. i've read the, i've done much research on this and i've heard some of the pilots who said, look, it's unfair to say we were a drug running operate. yeah. but it's also unfair to refute the fact that we had drugs as part of our car, and that was it. and that was it. and that's how we know this from, from convicted drug campaign. yeah. in new york city, for example, who said that they got most of their drugs from southeast asia, thanks to air america. pilots who were moonlighting and then they did the same thing. remember the house and from the front. they did the same things in like a rod. what else? salvador and home doors? that's right, right? that's right. that's the interesting thing about this is and this important question, because i've, i've got friends of mine who were in the military and we had an argument about this . the other day i said to these guys deserve a pension and do they deserve military recognition. and they were adamantly saying, absolutely not, i agree, you know, a contractor is not a soldier, that's it, that's it. these were, but there were more tend to mercenaries,

then they were to soldiers. everything they did was off the books and you asked a very good question. i know it was a rhetorical one, big left, a good question in your intro, and that is where it was the oversight. there was no oversight. these guys were free to do literally anything they wanted. they were breaking the law every single day that they had those contracts. do you think it's the be the way i wrote this story? cuz the more i looked into it, the more fascinated i was, it seems to me that this was the origins of what later became the div state or whatever we call today that the state, whatever. how about it, right. but that there's some of the various outfit out there often times the and the c i a has its, uh, its tentacles involved in that. mm hm. that makes decisions that don't go through congress. don't go through the president and somehow affect all of us anyway. that's right, i think i think you've hit the nail on the head and it's continued until today. you

know, when there's no oversight, when there is no rule of law, when there's nobody to say no. so you can't do that. then that is a deep state. you don't just just this week we learned that n s a rather than to go to court and to get a, a warrant for example, is just going to i s p's in big tech companies in buying meta data on american citizens. it's the same thing. it's all an extension of this deep states that began with an organization like air mass. so you, you, you can uh, fill us in on how this thing can work. i understand there are things, the c i a must do because they are important and they must be done in such a way so that they don't become public. sure. is that fair? the way i just phrase that to look. and so i'm not saying everything has to be told right after they do it. however, if something reaches the point where people are dying and soldiers are being given,

missions, bombing runs are being executed. um, i think somebody who is an elected official, at least, if not the entire population needs to know. absolutely right and listen, lowe's, you talked about louse being the base of air america, allow us with a neutral country at the time. we pulled those poor people into a conflict that they didn't need to be. and we, we talked about 60000, almost 60000 americans being killed in vietnam, maybe as many as 2000000 vietnamese. what about the people of laos? yeah. their country is still completely up to the city. we built one check with an airport. that's why we used it to do military operations, including the la la oceans, to attack the v at the me as well. i don't like the fact that the vietnamese chose communism. i don't what communism? sure. but if you want to choose communism and you're an independent country, that's your damn business. that's it. i don't understand. i've never understood

what i hear. he was there. all the comment is again, i don't what comment is it? that's like a huge too much walk right back. gonna kill him. you know, like so, so this whole idea that we had back then which i think still sort of exist today is i don't like the form of government that they've chosen. i don't like the guy that they elected. i don't like their prime minister the damn business. i mean you can change it, but you can't attack them. you're exactly right. you know, so many of us who have been in washington for a long time and have been in the circles for a long time. are now using the taliban as an example. everybody's a terrorist. now what does it tell us? what the thing is? we knew he could who, who are the tell him on. they are the high spins and fathers and sons and brothers of ask and people, they didn't come down from the moon or from outer space and impose themselves on us . can they happen now to be the government? and they're the governmental one to find a way to change them internally by not killing them. that's it. because when you killed them, you're just going to make more of them that i think only crazy. yes. no,

you're 100 percent. correct. and that is exactly what our mistake was in southeast asia. the question that i raised, i think at the beginning, i don't know if you agree with this, but i've grown up. i'm a child of the vietnam war, i think you've sure to we all are who are over a certain age. we, when i watch the media cover, vietnam and iraq at a lot of our conflagrations, i get the sense they're afraid to admit what happened there. such a gloss over it, like it was like, you know, oh yeah. rock no, we invaded the country. we shouldn't be bated vietnam. barbara, as actions that we did there, and we should explain these things so we don't do them again. we don't do that now and rick, you know, i've said a number of times in interviews and i think it bears repeating. i remember sitting in on a secure video teleconference chaired by vice president dick cheney the day before we invaded iraq. and i remember one of the senior directors at the national security council saying, as soon as we cross that border, they're going to throw flowers at us. mm hm. and i went back to my office and i

said to my boss, to these people know nothing about history. and the answer unfortunately is yes, they know nothing about history. we have learned since that many of our soldiers, many of our diplomats, many of the c i, a guys that we had in those countries did not speak the language. and they did not understand the culture. and basically lived so far apart from the rest of the population, they never got a chance to understand what true rockies are instead of what they call them. rocky iraqi. yeah. by the way, it's not even pronounced that way. you more on like, you know, pardon me for saying that, but you're, you're right when we were so distant from something we should at least have some i'm kind of sense of culturally. yeah. and we don't, we don't. and we don't make any effort to, you know, meet these words happen all the time. i hate to say. but just, you know, in, in our adult lives we can, we can start with a grenade, for example. i was there and go all the way through the what we're doing now in,

in the red sea, with uh, with the amenities and we never learn the lesson. we never learn languages, we never learn culture and we don't immerse ourselves in, in the foreign cultures that we're supposed to be. you're studying. what's really cool about you is you're one of the few people and you know, you're a courageous guy because you are a whistle blower. you actually still have to say, no, we, we know guys, we can't do that and that's wrong. why isn't there more of that or is there and what's the culture like in that building? now there are more the best explanation is something that a new york times reporter told me to tell me 2 things. number one, he said, the day of my arrest, every one of the new york times national security sources went silent, and they stayed silent for 6 months. and 2nd was something that both a reporter and one of my attorneys told me, they said, this case isn't about you. this case is about frightening everybody else in the

intelligence community to make sure that they keep their mouth shots. and that's what it's about. it's gotta be tougher now for someone to want to be honest because of the technology. the yes, you know, in the old days i could like pick up the phone. i didn't think it would be tapped or i could just have somebody contact somebody and say, let's meet at a bar or restaurant. man, there's cameras everywhere. it's everywhere. yeah, it's every week just me and pop. it must be. busy very difficult to be a truth teller and your phone can track you even if the phone is off. yeah. so it's almost impossible you, you have to go night in order to prevent it happening. luddite in the, in the 17th century, a group of british called lights were angry at the industrial revolution because they were new machines that were taking their jobs. so they went into the factories in the middle of the night, and they destroyed all the machine. yeah. and, and they want to be like living and some little place in the pennsylvania or

something. yeah, exactly. it's the only way to protect yourself, you know, during the watergate scandal or in the events leading up to the watergate scandal deep through the source, the, the ice or yes would only meet with a, with bob woodward in a parking garage. it was the only sunday last village, flowers on the balconies and stuff. i don't question to you since you said the deep throat. let me give you another deep it is. so is there a deep state and how would you define it? oh yeah, there is a deep state, you don't have to call it a deep state, you can call it the state. you can call it the federal bureaucracy. but any group of powerful and elected people who know that they can out with a president powerful and elected people who know they could outweigh the present. that's a deep state. that's actually a good description of what i think is happening too often in this country. and it goes beyond trump and beyond democrat, always and beyond republicans and beyond bite. and then beyond titans and beyond obama, it's bigger than all of them. and it ain't good. it's not john, it's

a pleasure to talk to you. a great life is all mine. thanks for that is really, really good and you thanks so much for joining us today. you know, you, when you hear it, when you listen to john, his experiences, what he's been to and it's so important to be able to get that perspective before i go, i do want to remind you of our mission here. and it's simple really, to the side of the world to have conversations like this. we tend to live in these little boxes where we think the truth flip proof don't live in boxes, troops everywhere. i'm a chapters and i'll be looking for you again, right here we are, i provide a direct in the hello and welcome to across the full board. here we discuss the wheel in

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