within will tell you by saying why would actually, yeah, why? well, because there are sources and methods inside the documents that explain how human intelligence is gathered around the world. and these practices really haven't changed over the last 60 years. and so the united states is not going to want to re release this information so that our human intelligence agents can be killed around the world. just not going to happen so. so and oliver is incorrect. okay, i'm not going to say that we are the oswald was the killer, but oliver is incorrect. the us government had nothing to do with it. and the us government is protecting donald trump. he has full secret service protection. and there's nobody got to assassinate him. god forbid, i want to be trumped in the intellectual marketplace of ideas. i want to beat him at the ballot box because he's an unstable person and he's a craven person. but nobody wants to seize desk, god forbid. and the,

and united states through the secret service, their reputation is that state, they haven't lost the president since john kennedy, although around reagan was shot in 1981. and they certainly don't want president biden, god forbid, or president, trump. god forbid her in any way. so i don't, i don't buy into the conspiracy garbage around having these guy moved, you're going to come on when the book is out in april. thank you. so we are we, um, what are we gonna, i mean, what are we in a close? she'll go in the eighty's by that time, i'm drawing wide rough, rough. we don't visual or 8060. yeah. that's the, it's the lab work, right? how it's going underground will go deep and go deep into the center of the earth. actually these garbage you thank you. good to be on. that's the show, continued condolences to those bree by the u. k. u. s e u on bonding in palestine, lebanon young, and syria and iraq. we will be back with a brand new episode on saturday and till then give it to us,

why will i social media if it's not sensitive, knew what country and i do. i travel going underground tv, hon. they'll come to a new and old episodes of going undergrad. so you said the the russian states never as tight as i'm one of the most sense community best. most all sun set up the, in the 65 to 5 must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on russia to day and split the ortiz full next, even our video agency roughly all the band on youtube,

the services for the question, did you say steve and twist, which is the hello and welcome to the cost of full horses? here we discuss the wheel in the patrick sanchez. i've been doing news bout for 30 years and few languages all over the world here in the united states have interviewed for presidents and i'm also working for the united states as major television networks. i'm not crazy about what they do. you see, i do think news should be impactful, but more importantly, it needs to be honest and direct and fit it is direct impact

the right i want to start with something really cool. so there's this image that's part of american history. it's not our best image, but it's perhaps the most iconic visual of the war in vietnam and, and it, and it's in the news again because of something that some politicians are trying to push through, which i am going to eventually explain to you. but 1st, so let's talk about the image here. it is. that is what the end of the vietnam war looked like. a more that by the way, as you're looking at that image, a war that we lost. and that's important. see, i think it's important to admit that we lost that war. you know why 1st? because despite what defense contractors are politicians and the media who served them want us to believe it's the truth. and that's important. and 2nd,

because that war was very on democratic, it wasn't a war that americans chose, in fact, it wasn't even a war that our elected officials chose. no, it was a war chosen by n 4, c, i a, let's do this now. let's go back to that image of the helicopter at the us embassy . and so i got, because i want to show you something there, you see that see that image. what's happening in that image is that the via con, who us troops spent more than a decade battling or about to take over their country and us soldiers, their friends and their families were scurrying to get out of the country. get out of sight gone. but there's something about that image that you need to know about. like most things having to do with the war. i think the over whelming number of american people think that this was an air force helicopter on top of the u. s. embassy. it wasn't then does ended one of the most tragic and controversial

chapters in us history and their america had been there every step of the way? no, it wasn't. it was an air america helicopter, and the man to the right is a c i age. which is befitting because of there's such a thing is the beginning of the big state. it probably happened around the time of the vietnam more, you know, why? because we now know that the bulk of that war and south east asia, it was started and conducted by an intelligent community made of elected. busy should i say all the elected officials who had absolutely no accountability of the us congress, or even the u. s. military? so if you're asking, what is this air america thing you're talking about, rick sanchez? let me explain. this is fascinating. you're gonna love this. they were a secret air force made up of civilian pilots, recruited by the c i a who reported only to them because they owned c. i did the

entire operation. almost everybody at one time and other headphone special project mission. so some time for another where they were briefed and, and told him, maintain secrecy. and a lot of times he really didn't even know what the project was. you were told to go to a certain place and accomplish a certain thing. and if you didn't have a need to know, he didn't ask any questions. but you know, who was asking questions at the time. the vietnamese, they were sick and tired of the french who had invaded them, occupied them, and seemed to want to tell them what type of government they should choose. the fall of the indian food brought an end to a sentry of french colonial presents an indo china. and this actually is the same, the end of the frontier and the beginning of an american gear. so when the french were finally beaten back and they gave up and surrendered, somebody else stepped up to once again tell the vietnam is what to do. and how did

jews and run their government? and who do you think that was? if you guess, see, i would be right and i did it with the help of none other than air america who executed their heavy work from a secret mountain hideout and allows a country that borders vietnam and a huge arrow american c. i a complex this dirt strip quickly became one of the world's busiest airport. that place that you're looking at right there. that's a long chang. they are the see. i recruited and exploited a minority population of people who were called mon. and so they paid by the way and they outfitted and they trained to fight the north vietnamese, the united states. so all the mom is being able to act as surrogates in terms of not having to introduce american troops into the area. so the central intelligence

agency gave them long training and modern arms, so air america, pilots, and other employees were said to be or pretended to be working for a private transportation company. but their true mission was pretty simple. beat back and the story, the new government of vietnam because see, i officials believe it was simply too cozy to friendly with china from the beginning files, particularly those who were involved in the cobra operations side of, of the fly that were aware that they were at least working for the central intelligence agency, there was no attempt over to the skies. this at the secret was the ownership of the company. and there was only a handful, a dozen, perhaps out of several 100. that was no, that's the company was in fact, owned by the central intelligence agency, with practically nonexistent oversight error america under the direction of the c.

i did what i wanted to do when ever it wanted to do it. and they also seem to answer directly to only one person who was also not an elected official. and happen to have the name, henry kissinger. and every night this information was coded and shut down to just mag in bangkok, back to washington and kissinger. yes. the vietnam war ended in failure for the u. s. military. it brought about the death of almost $60000.00 us troops and disastrous consequences for many of the people of vietnam and cambodia. and especially for the la ocean monk who are almost wiped out of leaving their children, were recruited and forced to fight in what was by then a lost cause towards the end, they were very few young man. we did our best to keep the 13 and 14 year old, so out of the out of the line. but the,

they did show up and there was just the terrible and tragic loss of the young man is among nations. for all practical purposes, most of a generation of mom was to strike. one would think that us politicians, members of the intelligence community, the military by brass and others, would have learned something from the horrors and the failures that we all suffered as a country from the vietnam war. we did. in fact, that model that was ushered in with arrow america, the secret air force accountable to no one but the c. i a continued operating even expanded. similar emissions and parts of africa. iran, latin america. in fact, someone say that it became even more brazen with attempted political assassinations fomented clothes and secret or proxy armies. but finally, finally in 1976, one long us senator stood up to the c. i a and said by stuff enough.

and as a result, the us select committee, led by frank church, determine that what they weren't doing with just on democratic and it was wrong and it was cruel. and it's sense. so in a report detailing what they had done 6 link free books of information, they put up. now you would have thought, right? you would have thought that that would have put an end to it, but did it. and then it stopped the so called deep state as it is often called the answer to that question. arrived in the 1980s the border between nicaragua and its neighbour, honduras, where the contracts are based becomes a war zone. the sandinista is declare a state of emergency and begin to remove peasants from villages in the area that includes the brutal relocation of the mosquito in use. that is one, many of the same error america. pilots who flew in vietnam were tied to another. c

. i a led scandal which this time included elaborate arms deals with a ron and a drug running operation in central america that became known as the iran contra affair. american power. so interesting projects all over the place, 2 and a half, a middle east. we had a lot of helicopter pilots around up and i ran right up until the shawl left in the tow or showed up. so there you have that is, how many are you at all again, call at the beach state, call it a on democratic policies, or maybe it's just foreign policy. run a mark, whatever it is, whatever you want to call it. we can say that it likely began with something called air america, which is once again and then is why? well, let me explain their americans in the news because of something being called the air america act offered by none other than republican senator marker rubio,

who wants to guarantee the retirement benefits of the, especially military and official military recognition to those 1000 or so us citizens, there may be more to work for the company. worked for air america to start when we come back, we're going to be joined by none other than john kerry. ok. now he works for the c i. he wants to have a conversation about this, and i guarantee you, it's going to be a good one, the

the the, all right, let's get through it before we run out of time. very is john kerry echo. let's have

a conversation about this. this task stating story it is and, and the fact most people don't even know about this. i didn't know where america was. what was he? i never even came out with an acknowledgment that error america was a part of the c i until well into the 19 ninety's, maybe after 2000. that's amazing. they just went around america picking out civilian pilots and they created a company that wasn't really a company, it was all run by that. that's right. and that's kind of how we got into the vietnam war before the soldiers got there. and you know, an interesting part of the story, what has come out just in the last couple of weeks as part of the story is that it wasn't just weapons and, and rockets and mortars and things like that. they were carrying water, buffalo and chicken, and drugs and drugs. and you know, this is how and i'm not saying no, i sighed. i've read the, i've done my research on this and i've heard some of the pilots who said, look, it's unfair to say we're a drug running operate. yeah. but it's also unfair to refute the fact that we have

drugs as part of our car, and that was it. and that was, and that's how we know this from, from convicted drug campaign. yeah. in new york city, for example, who said that they got most of their drugs from southeast asia, thanks to error america. pilots who were moonlighting and then they did the same thing. remember the hassle, the 1st case? that's right. they did the same things in the uh, like a rock. what else, salvador and home doors? that's right, right? that's right. that's the interesting thing about this is and this important question, cuz i've, i've got friends of mine who were in the military and we had an argument about this . the other day. i said, do these guys deserve a pension and do they deserve military recognition? and they were adamantly saying, absolutely not, i agree, you know, a contractor is not a soldier. that's it, that's it. these were, but it's, there were more can to mercenaries than they were to soldiers. everything they did was off the books. you asked a very good question. i know it was a rhetorical one thing. last, a good question in your intro, and that is where it was we oversight. there was no oversight. these guys were free

to do literally anything they wanted. they were breaking the law every single day that they had those contracts. do you think it's the big, the way i wrote this story? cuz the more i looked into it, the more fascinated i was. it seemed to me that this was the origins of what later became the div state or whatever we call today that each day, whatever they have about it, right. but that there's some of the various outfit out there. often times the and the c i a has, it's a, it's technicals involved in that, that makes decisions that don't go through congress, don't go through the president and somehow affect all of us anyway. that's right. i think, i think you've hit the nail on the head and it's continued until today. you know, when there's no oversight, when there is no rule of law, when there's nobody to say, no, you can't do that. then that is a deep state. you don't just just this week we learned that and

a say rather than to go to court and to get a, a warrant, for example, is just going to i s p as in big tech companies in buying meta data on american citizens. it's the same thing, it's all an extension of this deep states that began with an organization like air mass. so you, you, you can uh, fill us in on how this thing can work. i understand there are things, the c i a must do because they are important and they must be done in such a way so that they don't become public. sure. is that fair? the way i just phrase has to look. and so i'm not saying everything has to be told right after they do it. however, if something reaches the point where people are dying and soldiers are being given, missions, bombing runs are being executed. um, i think somebody who is an elected official, at least, if not the entire population needs to know. absolutely right and listen, lowe's,

you talked about louse being the base of air america, allow us with a neutral country at the time. we pulled those poor people into a conflict that they didn't need to be. and we, we talked about 60000, almost 60000 americans being killed in vietnam, maybe as many as 2000000 vietnamese. what about the people of laos? yeah. their country is still completely up to the city. we built one check with an airport. that's what we used to do military operations, including the la la oceans, to attack the v at the me as well. i don't like the fact that the vietnamese chose communism. i don't what communism? sure. but if you want to choose communism in your an independent country, that's your damn business. that's it. i don't understand. i've never understood what i hear. he was there. all the comment is again, i don't. what kind of is it? that's like a huge too much walk, right. but going to kill him, you know, like so. so this whole idea that we had back then, which i think still sort of exist today is. i don't like the form of government that they've chosen. i don't like the guy that they elected. i don't like their

prime minister, the damn business. i mean, you can change it, but you can't attack them. you're exactly right. you know, so many of us who have been in washington for a long time and they've been in these circles for a long time. are now using the taliban as an example. everybody's a terrorist. now what does it tell us what the thing is? we knew he could who, who are the tell up on, they are the high bins and fathers and sons and brothers of ask and people, they didn't come down from the moon or from outer space and impose themselves on us . can they happen now to be the government and they're the governmental one to find a way to change them internally by not killing them. that's it. because when you kill them, you're just going to make more of them that i think only crazy. yes, no, you're 100 percent, correct. and that is exactly what our mistake was in southeast asia. the question that i raised, i think at the beginning, i don't know if you agree with this, but i've grown up. i'm a child of the vietnam war. i think you've sure to we all are who are over a certain age we, when i watch the media cover, vietnam and iraq at

a lot of our conflagrations, i get the sense they're afraid to admit what happened there. so they gloss over it like it was like, you know, oh yeah, rock no, we evaded the country. we should've been baited vietnam, barbara's actions that we did there, and we should explain these things so we don't do them again. we don't do that now . and rick, you know, i've said a number of times in interviews and i think it bears repeating. i remember sitting in on a secure video teleconference chaired by vice president dick cheney the day before we invaded iraq. and i remember one of the senior directors at the national security council saying, as soon as we cross that border, they're going to throw flowers that us me. and i went back to my office and i said to my boss, to these people know nothing about history. and the answer unfortunately is yes, they know nothing about history. we have learned since that many of our soldiers, many of our diplomats, many of the c i,

a guys that we had in those countries did not speak the language and did not understand the culture. and basically lived so far apart from the rest of the population, they never got a chance to understand what true rockies are instead of what they call them. rocky iraqi. yeah. by the way, it's not even pronounced that way. you more on like, you know, pardon me for saying that, but you're, you're right when we were so distant from something we should at least have some kind of sense of culturally. yeah. and we don't, we don't. and we don't make any effort to, you know, meet these wars happen all the time. i hate to say. but just, you know, in, in our adult lives we can, we can start with a grenade, for example, i was there and go all the way through the what we're doing now in, in the red sea, with uh, with the amenities. and we never learn the lesson. we never learn languages, we never learn culture and we don't immerse ourselves in, in the foreign cultures that we're supposed to be. you're studying. what's really

cool about you is you're one of the few people and you know, you're a courageous guy because you are a whistle blower. you actually still have to say, no, we, we know guys, we can't do that and that's wrong. why isn't there more of that or is there and what's the culture like in that building? now there are more the best explanation is something that a new york times reporter told me. he told me 2 things. number one, he said, the day of my arrest, every one of the new york times national security sources went silent, and they stayed silent for 6 months. and 2nd was something that both a reporter and one of my attorneys told me, they said, this case isn't about you. this case is about frightening everybody else in the intelligence community to make sure that they keep their mouth shut. mm hm. that's what it's about. it's gotta be tougher now for someone to want to be honest because of the technology though. yes. you know, in the old days i could like pick up the phone. i didn't think it would be tapped,

or i could just have somebody contact somebody and say, let's meet at a bar or restaurant. man, there's cameras everywhere. it's everywhere. yeah, it's every week just being pop. it must be very difficult to be a truth teller and your phone can track you even if the phone is off. yeah. so it's almost impossible you, you have to go night in order to put the light in the, in the 17th century, a group of british called lights were angry at the industrial revolution because they were new machines that were taking their jobs. so they went into the factories in the middle of the night and they destroyed all the machine. yeah. and, and they want to be like living in some little place in the pennsylvania or something. yeah, exactly. it's the only way to protect yourself. you know, during the watergate scandal or in the events leading up to the watergate scandal deep through the source, the b, eyesore. yes. would only meet with uh, with bob woodward in a parking garage. it was the only send the flowers on balconies and stuff. i don't

question to you since you said the deep throat. let me give you another deep it is . so is there a deep state and how would you define it? oh yeah, there is a deep state. you don't have to call it a deep state. you can call it the state, you can call it the federal bureaucracy, but any group of powerful and elected people who know that they can out weight a president, powerful and elected people who know they could outweigh the present. that's a deep sea, that's actually a good description of what i think is happening too often in this country. and it goes beyond trump and beyond democrat, always and beyond republicans and beyond bite. and then beyond titans and beyond obama. it's bigger than all of them. and it ain't good. it's not john, it's a pleasure to talk to you. a great life is all mine. thanks for the that's really, really good. and you thanks so much for joining us today. you know, you, when you hear it, when you listen to john, his experiences, what he's been to and it's so important to be able to get that perspective before i

go, i do want to remind you of our mission here. and it's simple really, to the side of the world to have conversations like this. we tend to live in these little boxes where we think the truth flip proof don't live in boxes, troops everywhere, summer chapters and i'll be looking for you again, right here we have provide a direct him the what else? they just don't have to shape house and engagement because the trail when so many find themselves worlds of parts,

we choose to look for common ground. the, the after the end of world war 2, the national liberation movement, it'd be an intensified, dramatic life, haven't driven away the japanese occupiers. the vietnamese patriots by no means wanted the return of the former french colonizers. but brands did not want to lose the rich colony and decided to beat the opposition by force. in december 1946, a full scale war broke out. the main victory addict organization led by o g man inflicted heavy losses on the french. the invaders were in raged, according to western historians, up to 250000 lives of peaceful beaten. these were on their contents. the

colonialists widely used the practice of mass rape of b. it means women as revenge on the guerrillas. in 1947, the french destroyed the village of knights rock, murdering 170 women, and 157 children. however, terror did not help. in 1954, the vietnamese defeated the french army and the decisive battle of gen, being full, almost $12000.00 french soldiers and officers, including the commander general of the categories. and his command staff were captured. the can visualization of a huge garrison at a demoralizing effect in europe. the french laughed vietnam, but they were replaced by even more violent and much stronger invaders. the american hard times were awaiting vietnam again. the hello and welcome to the cross stuff bullhorn. here we discussed some real in

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