an upgrade to business environments and continued to expand a high level of opening up to the outside world, which is not only conducive to photo smoke domestic circulation, but also conducive to the promotion of international and domestic circulation coordinate. this not only provides a lot of development opportunities for the method, invest this, but also provides huge business opportunities for international capital of the southern multinational enterprises is the government's top. we cannot make planners, and decision makers are meeting to talk about their plans for where the economy is going. and i would say the 2 drivers or 3 drivers of the economy will be investments consumption and technology. when china's economy grows, trade with washer growth, huge area is electric vehicles. now russia really played a huge low and the fact that china became the was largest pottery explorer last year. china sold a reference, 840000 vehicles to russia last year,

which is 5 fold industries. from just a year ago, a china has been trying to internationalize its currency, the r n b. and the facts that we share in russia's on fort settlements has risen up to was 23 percent and 2022, a very fast and development. in fact, the arm b a has now become the most widely used car and see in cross border transaction with in china over at surpassing cus, dollar for the 1st time. and this is going to help stabilize trade 16. the ability is always a keeping the economy moving forward. well, just the full go. we need to bring you some breaking news is coming from poland. our apparently the country spa them is all protesting in the national capital. it'd be protesting because they're against the cheap great imports coming in from ukraine, and they won't be easy to find them. but we now hearing that they of clashing with

the police and some a search of even broken in size and national parliament. what we're going to keep across the story and we will bring you more information on this as and when we get it. well, that's it for us with this. so we'll be back in around 30 minutes with moorehead on aussie international, the, [000:00:00;00] the

the hello and welcome to cross ok. we're all things are considered on peter lavelle. a pattern has a merge. the more the west panics over its failed ukraine project. the more it is willing to escalate the complex, the same conflict that they say they're not directly involved in. the last thing they are considering isn't negotiated, settlement the cross talking ukraine. i'm joined by my guess, larry johnson in tampa. he's a managing partner for burg associates, a former c i, a analyst, and us state department counterterrorism official. and like jackson, we have daniel mcadams. he is the executive director of the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity. and here in moscow we have set us up. could i please have nick? he is a former us army officer and veteran fight gentlemen across top rolls in effect, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate, daniel, let me go to you. so many things have been happening over the last few days. the

usual nonsense coming from the french president contradictory information uncomfortable coming from sergeant schultz in germany. and then of course, we have these german generals talking. but you know, all in all in, if you want to kind of distill down what's going on is what's called sunk cost fallacy. they cannot comprehend that they have put so many resources into a project that is failed utterly. but they're willing to double down daniel. well, you know, here we have a sen, michael rubio from florida, and i think it was just that. i said, i knew all along ukraine couldn't win. i just didn't want to say anything because i didn't want to, you know, just discourage anyone or dissuade anyone. and i think that's the carrier of the bag. i remember after a few years in iraq, you started seeing people all the think tankers and all the experts started saying that, well, i knew all along, it was a bad idea. well, i knew all along, they didn't have views, i just didn't say anything. so i think when you start seeing the rats like rubio clean the sinking ship, i think, you know, at least in the us, the game is up. and when you talk about, we'll talk about later, the,

the money and the republican party in the us as we move into the electro season. it doesn't look good from the us side for ukraine. well, you know, larry, there seems to be this infallibility complex that these people have, but they just cannot comprehend that they have a major scale slope, afghanistan, iraq, that's far away. you can say it was a long time ago, but this is impacting the world in a way they never could have imagined particularly europe here, and it's reputational damage. here they are not infallible, and that's what they're finding out. larry. a, there's a whitening gulf between the rhetoric has a capability. so on the one hand, as we solve a theatre, separate conversations with the germans. yeah there's, there's always talk about boy, yeah we what we want to escalate this or we want to lucky using the taras missile to hit the coach bridge. but then at the same time they can said, well, yeah, okay,

it's going to take 8 months. we can't do it right away. member the 1000000 shells we were going to produce for ukraine. oh, well, okay. we did 300000. so they did the across the board, the, the us military kept me this recruiting goals the british have. or what i call the jeff pile dysfunction, they can launch a missile out of a submarine. and so, from the actual military capability, the nato has it's, it's, it's a rack, it's a disaster. and yet, the, the, the, what they're saying and the threats that they're making towards russia are becoming sort of more intense. so the really is a disconnect. well larry, i want it before i go to spanish spock. here can, can you just give us an assessment of the french army right now? well, by the way, the, it was going to ask larry what the, what the, what the french army, what is it status right now? i mean, is it a, is it a major power? no, no. okay. okay,

hold that thought. i'm going to go to the status law for right now. well, the french president is talking about sending troops. now, i don't speak french. i've looked at the transcript. it's hard to say the same french troops or nato troops. it's unclear, at least my reading of it. but what about that? i mean we're talking about escalation, this is what this program is called expect escalation, nato troops and ukraine. really status? well, a, well, 1st of all, by the way, the jackson issue isn't just what the british, the germans show, the same thing in the red sea when they try to down an american drone that they took to be a hoss dial 2 missiles, both males fell into the seats, so it's a, it's a made a wide issue, you know, even even in the ninety's and begin $2000.00 serve and you could watch the degradation. and in discipline, you can watch the degradation in a combat readiness. now those are already underway across now the french do have units that can go, they've got the french foreign legion, they've got special forces troops,

but they're not enough to fight an actual war. so i think what they're hoping is, once they go in and they'll pull the rest of the data with, would've behind them. that's one thing. if it's just the french or it's the pre baltic, because of the states that go in there and some, and they'll back off. it's a different thing. i mean, if it's a polls or for both, it's a different thing. if it's a french, the germans, that weren't a british go in, they'll pull it, they've got enough weight to pull most of nato behind them. whether natal likes it or not. once a bullet starts flying things to the centers, all righty, i'm, i'm, you know, i don't want to be too blunt here, but i mean, the long to russian missile to kill like a nato cells or just like it kills a ukrainian one. what's the difference? right, well we can ask the 60 or so friend cheryl soldiers an arc, and they've got a, it's got the arrow and thank you for reminding our audience that maybe that is what got the chrome i'll set off. i mean, he, he's a, he's, he always has, he's triggers around to mom. we've gotten used to that with the french president, daniel, you know, the same with me, chrome,

he said defense essentially that russia should not be allowed to when i think really what he's saying is that nato should not be allowed to lose as well. when i was really confused when they said that because i thought they already were winning the intent to be here. so, but they've already worked. you know, i mean, i was listening, i guess, to the wrong us generals who said that we, they, you know, they'd already want. so is it does smack of desperation. and you know, it's, they're sending all sorts of signals the, the intercepting conversation, which actually the germans are saying today, it wasn't intercepted at all. he's basically a boomer mistake. one of the generals didn't dial in. right. and so don't know, don't blame us off. we're still secure, don't worry, they haven't heard anything. we said um, but these things keep leaking out and they keep pointing in one direction which as, as you appropriately titled the sho escalation. and i just wonder, you know, it seems like the little baltics are just trumping at the bit and to get in,

if this is some sort of signal for them to get more involved. well, daniel, what do they actually have? i mean, nato consists of 2 major military's united states, which is far away. it has bases in europe, obviously. and there's turkey, turkey is not going to get involved in this whatsoever. so what is left? i mean, what should rush should be worried about? well that is desperation because we're moving it now with every day it becomes clear and clear. and this is particularly true yesterday when the us supreme court said no states, you can't kick a guy off the ballot because you don't like him. it's becoming clear and clear, the trump will be the nominees, and the numbers are certainly his way when you look at national moles, so trump for all of his fault, and there are plenty of them. he, it, these to this point is not displayed an appetite for going all in. if you remember back when the so called chemical attack and really happened, you loved a couple of bombs out into some field somewhere. he didn't go all and so i think that is responsible for a good deal of the panic. yeah, well, i, larry, i am a,

what is nato as a military force visa v. russia as well? it is there nothing there is to put it simply look, the reason they to has expanded over the years is because that was the only way that nato could maintain force level force structure. and so without it, because they weren't able to build up and sustain their own armies. i mean, right now the british army, i think it's full strength, is $70000.00. and all of that, if you, what do they call the anybody combat capable, you're, you're lucky. maybe at 30000. well, you know, the, the russians are showing do that. it's in 2 weeks of the did oh, you know, the, the french army has similar challenges as do the germans. so across the board, you, you wind up with this patchwork quilt of different military capabilities, different military traditions,

different military organizations. they try to standardize it. and the lines is coming down to washington is all port data is more united the never? well, you don't get that name is sort of gone away, particularly with my career on and, and shows. uh, uh and, and then the ultimate uh, cap bite with each other. uh and, and the bread so, you know, they're, they're very unhappy with the germans as well. because shoals, uh, out of them is, you know, that they're active and all the ground, the new crate. well i, i think you could make an argument spanish off that day. the french and the british always are upset with the germans. it's just a historical thing. okay, but i mean it's interesting. stanislaus is given the, the scope in our conversation so far. i think the blame game is already started. what do you think? i as well, you know, this kind of reminds me of a bomb was no child left behind program or on american schools. when it gets lowered,

the standards so low. you couldn't leave anybody behind because anybody could step over. nato integration has gone about the same way. we've lowered the standard so low that a lot be or, or story. it looks like a military power. on the other hand, you know, to be honest. uh, there are enough military units there that if they start a flight, it's going to be a flight. you better to be lost as on both sides. it's not going to be over in a week. it will be over, it will be over and only one direction. unless some miracle happens for nato. but it's still going to be a flight. it's still going to be award. so it's an editor. we shouldn't downgrade it. totally as if there's no, that's not going to have anything. well, i mean, so we have a nightstand. everybody saw that a lot. well, you being a knowing the military. i mean, if you're going to have air support, do, does need to have air support in ukraine or outside of ukraine if it's outside of ukraine. isn't that a fair target or? yeah, absolutely. right. now the way they're doing it is the plains are hiding mostly in

poland. they fly out of pole when they land in ukraine on a ukrainian uh, air base. they uh, fuel our arm up and then fly mission. so right now, rush, just kind of ignore that and they're not hitting them in poland. now the problem with f sixteens is a, they are made for asphalt carmax. they're not made for a concrete carmax. the way to soviet and russia now planes are made for you for them to land on the concrete topping right. they have to carry a lot less weight, otherwise they'll break their traffic. nobody the landing gear. so for that matter, that means that's a lot more of a constrain. listen because he got less fuel less ordinance. now if they're flying out of poland, it's already been said and i hope that's the line. that's how they're flying at a pool and go straight to combat mission. those polish air bases are part of the fight, and they're part of the flight. there are league or there are a legal and moral target to be hit. so beautifully then. well, you will send it up there and target here gentlemen, we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break,

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you create the so let's go back to daniel lake jackson, a, the american angle, and all of this is of course the a that the senate passed the, the house and refuses even to discuss at this point here. um is, will there be, uh, a go around you will there be eventually some kind of aid still going to ukraine. visa be you just, i was gonna mention marco rubio given that kind of, uh, a logic of coming for marco rubio. some money will eventually get there because its biden's prestige on the line. yeah, i think with every passing day it's less likely they'll get the full enchilada sent to them the $61000000000.00. but again, we're moving heavily now into the election season. a trump has all but captured the nomination as the republican and he has, he's essentially the head of the republican party united states now. and so you

have a republican house that literally hangs within a hair's breadth of a majority of it kicked out a republican because he was a weirdo. and now they have basically, you know, one or 2 guys. so it's very important that the republican house, a beast, a lines itself of president trump, and i think that's what they want to do despite the misgivings among some, shall we say, more rhino or back venture type republicans. so was every day there's, there's more of a danger that they won't pass with our needs, as you say, it needs to be something that will pass in. speaker johnson is not a good, ideologically opposed or pretty opposed in principle to send the money to ukraine. we show that he, he voted for money in the past. okay. i mean, he was on board for that he has in the past, but now there's just basically the stand off about immigration. and so they, republicans anyway, have a use this as a a, as. ready a width against the democrats of president biden. we need a serious immigration of the bill, or we're not going to pass the money. so it's kind of

a challenge. got with being thrown down now and the democrats can afford it back off and on immigration now they've already lost, you know, states like, uh like michigan you know, to abide this last that because he decided to align completely with his real. and that's another story. so you're really having a something that's going on in the political sphere now that goes well beyond the war fighting the larry i'm, i'm sure you saw lloyd austin's to testimony to congress. i don't know what you know. maybe he's just recovering from his surgery because this guy was so delusional. the scare mongering of it was so transparent as well. again, desperation in the air, larry, whether they're trying to do everything they can to put pressure on congress to cough up the money. speaking of coughing, and here's the issue. there is not the kind of political bass in the united states

for ukraine that exists for israel. so, you know, the theme, the theme song for congress ought to be that the, from the, you know, the movie, cabaret money, money, money, money, money, money, money, the money makes the world go round. so i do think congress ultimately will allocate, they will approve funds for quote, you crate. but the reality to do that money is not going to ukraine. it's going to general dynamics is going to re fee on it's going to lockheed martin and staying in the united states. and then it's getting passed back to the members of congress who's going to need to have some, some cash in their election coffers coming up for november. so, i mean, it's a scam. and at the same time, the united states is under great pressure from the american is rarely political action committee to pony up the funds to keep this real in the fight. and. and so the united states does not have limitless military capability. they've got to make choices, and so their choices in that is, they're gonna,

they're gonna send whatever equipment, material, munitions, to israel, but to ukraine, ukraine's toast. yeah, well, it's a set us up. it's very interesting that it gets down to legal requirements to send money to ukraine, but if there is no barriers to send it to israel, congress i think, has already been over reading twice by this administration. instead of 5, i have a kind of a military question for you. i mean, is one of these things that going back to what i'm a chrome had to say, and i don't know, maybe he's just wanting to remain relevant. you know, he wants that, i'll do the germans and the bread. so i don't know there could be an internal dynamic there. but there's this sense, you know, if day to send troops, the ukraine, the russians will dare touch them. that is ridiculous thinking span as well. yeah, yeah, you know, when you're in a proxy where you've got one or 2 choices, when you're losing either leave or you double down and that seems nato. the problem with a lot of nate are leadership to is there in an echo chamber here,

the same thing back. they talk the same words, they speak the same words and you're the same thing back and forth. and they came here and how russia is just on the break, just a little more. i know, finally, correct. it's the same thing is when you go to vegas and you put your kids what your college ones on the line, the house, the wife's wedding ring, and just one way. and i'll get it all back. but you're not going to get it all back . you just going to go for their broke it and you're looking basically gambling addicts, they're what they put everything on the line short of their own countries and they're willing to do that too. well, if the, if i can do the better for so i liked the vegas made of course of ukrainians or the chips. right? yeah. oh yeah. oh or is this a bigger what table? spinning a and there are lose of the house wins and they're not the house as much as they want to think their house. daniel, really, the desperation that you, you see coming out of your opinions is that nato is facing a strategic defeat. and that's something they simply can't comprehend. candy daniel?

no, they can't at all. and that's why you see bizarre things like german generals talking behind the backs of their commander in chief, who says no, no, torres is. and then. and then you have the conversation, how many tours will it take to new the bridge? but i, i, one of the, the, the, to pick about something this thomas love said because he makes an excellent point. and it reminds me so much that we have learned nothing from iraq because i remember when i was working in the house with dr. paul. endless. foreign affairs committee hearings with fred kagan waddling in their sitting down and telling us, just one more serge, guys, just one more serge, we've almost got this thing one for both your rock in afghanistan by the way. so this is the, this is the garbage that they've pulled all along. they haven't learned from it the, because they profit from it. but picking up on something that larry said as well, if you look at the, the opinion polls in the us, not only is a to ukraine, extremely unpopular,

particularly among republicans. i think it's something like 75 percent. but certainly in the mid to high sixty's overall, oppose it, but even more, 80 israel, surprisingly enough boost. the last poll i saw 50 some 59 percent of republicans were opposed to more military aid israel. so these wars are extremely unpopular. i can help with seeing that republicans and press and past and potentially future president trump aren't looking at these polls. yeah, larry, one of the interesting things and listening to um are those are the probably the woman that we probably all agreed we should be demonized. the most is victorian newland, and she said twice when she was in k of and then later i had a conference is that there be some surprises for putin, if she likes to say, it seems to me considering the german, the big german conversation. but it's terrorism that they're going to conduct. that's what they, that's what the surprises are. terrace terrace acts against civilians. larry, well,

yes, but us it is, i think, aware and prepared for you know, this, this get a series of incidents this last week where you 1st had the, the, the statement from my car on, you know, the escalated, know that and let's say time it came up with the new york times article about c i a basis and ukraine and the, all of that, the stuff in c, i a, was doing for this support, the ukrainian more and then you had put in speech is state of the union state of russia and with that, it put it in as a very clear markers about what the west is facing, that they continue this and then the leak. and i do believe the league came from russian intelligence. it was not accidental. there there put the west on notice. okay. you've played this game now for over 2 years of using you of it's starting yourselves in this war, but pretending that you're not there,

it's for of killing russians and not taking responsibility. that's over. and in fact, we had a news report just the other day. i think the day before yesterday, it looks like the russians did hit one of the ca, bases around so me and killed the personality and nobody said anything about it. they want to keep that under wraps. but i think, i think the russians have now made the decision. okay, the, the gloves in that respect are coming off. if, if the nato forces continue to insert themselves this way, we will hit them and we will make them pay, you know, as status update, essentially the same questionnaire. i mean, nato is overplayed. it's had as a matter fact. if you really think about nato, really, i never expected that a long term conflict they, they, they, they, they believed in the fantasy that the russian troops went up to camp. and then they ran away. and you know, they could call victory or as johnson called it off, and now they're stuck with a hand that they dealt themselves status well, a. yeah, you know,

a product of to the surface think the ukrainians use flying columns. uh no strong point was ever taken uh, our neighbors, son was fighting one of those strong points. they got pulled, they got in circles, they got pulled out by russian advice, relief troops, and they stepped back. but they stepped back in an orderly manner. continue the lines that were a flexible defense. so they were following back on new lines, new lines. and so they've got down to a hardened line that the ukrainians couldn't push through nothing. and nobody talks about his ukraine had an armored test that it created with several brigades, and it kept them in how to go around civilians knowing that the civilians aren't going to get hit. that now they're parked in uh, built in the underground garages areas like that, knowing that russia isn't gonna hit those builders. i gotta do a garza on, on how to go. well, that honored fist had to come out for this flight and they lost a good chunk of that on this. so that had been putting together for awhile as far as terrorism. let's start 2014. you could ask my elderly anthem yes,

a lot of photos the 9 years under fair. when i went last time, i saw it was in november we we came flying in there at a 140 kilometers in our through. i bombed up our road. you can't go slower than that. you've got drones over here that are bring an artillery rounds on civilian cars. you've got drones that are come across these drones, these lines all over the place. so you've got to fly in fast just to get into the town. and then, you know, they, they get artillery constantly while i was standing, or talk with my uncle when you can hear their tell around coming in. you know, i'm, i'm, i sort of close enough that if it's whoever, but i will have a, are totally around landing on my head. you know, welcome jesus. that's the kind of that moment we're going to worry about it coming down on top of my head. you know, that's how that's how all the people lived at 29 years. uh, but i'm really glad that you mentioned that because it is never enough said that this war has been going on since 2014 and the people of the don massport care reiser 8 of those years. and it's something that they will never forget. and the

russian people will never forget. and the what were russian political 8 will never forgive. the defeated, the west conducted itself around the minsk agreements. that's all the time we have gentlemen. and what i think my guess in tampa, lake jackson, and in moscow. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c a next time. remember, costs on the

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