people are constantly, as long as help is needed because i'm sure the local people were giving this help to. they'll help others themselves when they've overcome the grease here and with the point because the people here, they're certainly the best representatives of the human race. it seems to me, so let's help now and then they'll help all of us to if we needed, god forbid, of course, but let it be. so you do a walk in your time who was with the tech. most people are coming away next door and carry ok with the latest episode of the whistle, blowers taking a closer look at the story behind the 911 hijackers. i'll be back to the top of the hours more days. i hope to see you then the the, the september 11th attacks where the defining event of

a generation of americans just liked on the day of the bombing of pearl harbor, or the assassination of president john f. kennedy. every american can tell you where they were and what they were doing when they learned that the united states had been attacked on september 11th. more than 22 years after the fact. americans thought we knew the story of 911, the c i a and the f. b. i weren't cooperating. the white house wasn't focused on terrorism and the terrorist gotten lucky. but now thanks to an obscure court filing, we're learning something far more sinister. i'm john kerry. ok, welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the story of the 911 attacks is a very complicated one. i will admit to you. i was personally involved as the former director of counter intelligence for what was then called alex station at

the c i a. it was also known as the osama bin loudon group. i later became the head of c. busy a counter terrorism operations in pakistan after 911. and then i was the executive assistant to the c. i is deputy director for operations for many years. i thought i knew what happened in the run up to 911. now i know that i was wrong in an article at the gray zone, lays out the truth about $911.00. it shows using the f, b i's own documents, as well as affidavits by insiders in the investigation that the saudi intelligent service was likely involved in the attacks through an intelligence officer named omar i was by you me by you may had been in san diego, california with 2 of the 911 hijackers now wife of has me and holiday mid heart. they socialize together on many occasions and had organized other gatherings that included several of the other hijackers. but you may even help has me and mid har get an apartment in san diego by you. me for his part says that he only met the

terrorist accidentally. witnesses say that just isn't true. and by you mean never fully explain why he received $50000.00 from princess haifa. been to face so of settled the wife of the saudi ambassador to the united states. prince bandar been sold ton, i'll set wood and then pass that money to the terrorist. we're happy to be joined by the author of that article kit, clarin burge. he's an investigative journalist, specializing in the role of intelligent services in shaping politics and perceptions. welcome to the show kit. we're happy to have you help us sort through this complicated story. hey, how's it going? let's start with the players involved. we have omar o by. you mean we have no wi fi to has me. we have holiday and mid heart. tell us about these guys. yeah, sure. so, i mean, i think i'm, i'll have, i'll, i'll have some, you know, mitchell,

i'm j o actually the crucial components within this, within what happened and 911 in every way. and they all, they, all these fast um, 9 to the left and hijackers to arrive in the us and turn them in, in terms of immediately upon arrival at the end of well enough in los angeles, they need a more help i use who is a saudi government employee now, he claimed to an official f b. i investigation cool operation, uncle into set potential saudi involving 911 that he was to humble and saudi jumped me to include an employee employee who had just taken a pity on the to, on the, on, on, has me. and i'll miss all because they didn't speak english and they were strangers in this strange lives. and so as a result, he helped get them accommodation and gave them the brother numerous sums of money to get a thousands of dollars and help them get set top. the how are you moving to the

informants who was also allegedly posting information to the saudi intelligence services as well? um and uh, yeah. did an uncle concludes the actually, i'm about, oh boy, you, me was working this out. the intelligence he was himself that he kind of long standing high ranking is se by in the us. he was to organizing various con, desktop and activities for the saudis on us soil now. well on cool. it doesn't go into but didn't go into and it was shut down rather abruptly and without much in the way of the funds that were explanation. i think it was in 2016. i'm the mountains. i might be wrong with that, but um in a uh uh at the store as of last year. um this independent website spiteful and got his hands on a 2021. i'm told decoration by a lead investigator to the office of ministry commission, which is the legal body which is prosecuting alleged. and i'll call you to terrace

the housing one time with bank. and it's very rich details and as well what is well with reading, i'm just your own insight on my, my, i, my, i, i folded this up with investigation which went supernova gladly hook me up. it was rather rough detroit given that the entire major media would ignore split the, the, the in the, in the finally it's, it is made repeatedly quit that the c i a had a relationship with has me and middle via the, using the saudis, as a, as a liaison, so adults around the restrictions on the c, i a spying on on you on you, you, i it domestically? yeah, i don't us citizens. so, um, i mean that's the, that's the short on so, and then we can go into the wider around the machinations of uh, alex station if you wish. much of your article is based on a sworn affidavit submitted by don canister. are one of the military commissions

investigators. i know dawn, he is a serious person and an accomplished investigator, he spent more than 20 years as a drug enforcement administration. agent. tell us what he said about the connection between the $911.00 hijackers and the saudi government. well, i mean i, i'd rather disagree, but like, i mean, did it show up in effect what 2002 is that the saudis was um, they were providing money and material support to the hijackers and the white wall they, while they were in the us and and assisting them as they prepared to hide, jackass lightens and slide them into various buildings on the home, september 11th, 2001. and i, i'm like, slightly less dead. i'm not particularly interested in the, in the, in the saudi. i can go on far more interested in alex station because they the, this, the what the saudis were doing it with us in terms of funnelling money and support

and assistance to the side to the, to the hijackers. it could not have been done without the see eyes and approval, or at least the evidence within the c i a, a pre approving of an activity. one thing it's hot, the tennis row has evidence that by you, me, was working with another saudi intelligence officer in the united states by the name of the head of mary. and so mattie was deported from the us before the attacks for alleged connections to terrorism, who was to mattie. and what was his role? a lot of like i said, it's not something i particularly looked into. i mean, it just strikes me is like more more of a smoke screen really? i mean, i wrote in aust with my subsidized grad recently, which noted how i had a uh, uh the uh, what's his name up a dis a tough shake. um, who was the last the only employment who lived with the the to hide that with them? has me in mitchell. um, i mean i might have it as well if i has me in mid doors behavior during this time was extremely strange. and but was what day around the suspicion amongst that

nature is because they didn't buy any furniture. they slats on mattresses and on the floor to spend that days playing flights to be license. but then they would also, they also had mobile phones, which are not that common at the time, and they were k, e picks up by the limousines. i mean, what could be more suspicious? not, but apparently, despite living with an f, b, i informant, to mention the path to his hand. and on more than one occasion, gave the scope detail of biographical information. they wrote the russo named in the local telephone book. but one of the reasons why this didn't create any investments leads was because the c, i a knew i'm, that the has me and middle had multi entry visas for the us. this is all and i the inspector general report they, they, they knew very well that they were heading into the us and had been finding something um they attended the they, i'll call you to something and quality them pool, which was recorded at the series request that they already took images,

there was no audio, apparently. and i mean quite why doctors, i'm not, i'm not sure, but i did that. your insight, expert expertise may offer an explanation, but the, and if it like so that when, when they enter, when they enter the us, despite the fact that the next and the see, i said like them is tara threats. no one was notes like no any that there are several f, b i, a operatives who are posted to alex station, which is the c i is dedicated. i'll call you the tracking unit of the day with explicitly toll and repeatedly told by the superiors to know um, notified at the i had 5 courses about their presence in the us to tell us about the transfer of money from the saudi ambassador's wife to the terrace, this is something that has bothered me for a very long time, and it's never been fully explained to anybody that was just a numerous amounts of money were being sent by to talk to you me for his i kind of

person in richmond by the saudi ambassador in the us and uh yes it is. it is members of these members of this family and that was also an enormous amount of money being a month for the the hijackers. i mean, it's cost quite interesting is if you look at the 11 commission report, which is, i mean, i'm, i had the, the, as a, well, me majority of it is based on the testimony obtained them to torture that full and they, they, they, and the detainees. mentioned to like coming to to make it possible crimes like level those things that hadn't been built at the time that they were captured. and they duplicated the large number. it just didn't people who had no connection to terrorism because it was necessary to construct this specter, it's like this global terrorist conspiracy which didn't actually really exist. and so i like, yeah that the and the 911 commission report deals with the question of who finance

the finance, the attack as a excited that is of no material significance or some kind of phrase like that, which is quite incredible. i mean, everyone's seeing all the president's men follow the money, right. i mean the, the filing rules so that it can details how that what concerted efforts by still exotic, how they was lead book, one of the key investments that leads all the the, the 911 commission to shield the saudi is from the from scrutiny and unconcealed there oh, there it was. so it would contain, but then the declaration of large number of f, b i m c i a people whose claim to that they were told expressly to law you about the c i a 's relationship with has me middle to congressional inquiries to claire bird. stay right there. we're going to take a short break and when we come back, we will continue our conversation with kit claire and berg. we're going to try to get to the bottom of the question of whether 911 was just

a horrible intelligence failure or something more sinister stay to the. 2 the

. 2 welcome back to the rest of the layers. i'm john kerry onto we're speaking with journalist kit, claire and berg about the 911 attacks and the possible involvement of the saudi government in them. good to have you with this kit. hey, how's it going? it's an important part of your article has to do with both the f b i and the 911 commission. neither are honest players in the story. it seems not only possible but likely that the f b i had recruited one or more of the hijackers through omar of by you me. so 1st is that true? and if so, how in the world would it have been possible for the $911.00 attacks to take place? well, i mean, they were allowed to happen. i mean, at the very, at the very, very least, and like, i mean to all sorts of interesting indications as far as a full knowledge like the 88th street and the suspicious and irregular trading

activities. and the best thing on poor performance. a companies who stop prices crashed juice and $911.00, including adults ad lines. and then by that google sorts of speculative that's on defense companies, which are the immediate need that, that chat price, you know, double treatment tripled following 911 because of the prospect to subsequent was. and so, i mean it's quite the very least they relapse happened on purpose. i mean, i have my own series which are about just out this series. and i try not to deal in, in speculation, particularly in my work. but i mean, so for example, if you think about like the a top from the pens again, right. like this was the, the a, the, the debris that the uh, the hijacker it was thats the individual county handle um who was, according to his family. not possessed to be extreme is use and was extremely sort of self facing good hearted. and was the a highly unlikely

a suspect for carrying out a, a major terrorist attack in a foreign country. um, but uh yeah, in fact he hijacked the slide 77 and it, it makes a lot different, incredibly remarkable and just quite extraordinary. 300. and so i teach degree just sending, quote free time from around 7. the 1000 seats in the apple travelling either side from a 100 miles per hour. did it become pass a level where the pedestrian road leading up to the pen so good, like flying so low that it's like nothing like alarm post. and before it crashes into the department defense h q, and this would be a remarkable performance for military jet like the passengers yet, but no, any that cultural and this has been reported on by the mainstream media was considered one of the was if not the worst people's they had ever seen, you know, a flight school, they thought that he presented a risk and he just, he was ever in the, he couldn't control the thing, you know, i, jim sesna and he,

he, what, who, whiskey said yes. like a safety hesitate would take hours to complete quite exam questions. it typically took about the 50 minutes of my students. so i mean quite how he personally pulled off like one of the most daring. um, you know, mid a revised robust times in recorded history is, is, is nothing. sure. remarkable. and then that's obviously a total lack of cctv from, from anywhere like around the tense good in which the actually shows a plane facing the building. but i mean, it may not even more kind of incredible, right. and that the building had like 20000 people in it and then by the casualties were about 150 and it was not know what senior was home. but as it was made me like builders and construction workers, because the pol depends gonna hit was, was basically disused and under refurbishment. so i mean medium perhaps so like a bunch of covers instances. i mean, the old, maybe the saudis was just finding something full,

maximum visual impact while limiting casualties. i mean the, you know, the times that hit the towers, they hit very high, often before 9. and before most people were at what i actually went to the twins house, but i was about 12 they are, they were as you probably be while nice on your upright cities. and if that x likes bicycle cities with your tens of thousands of people watching that attracts and tens of thousands of towards the day, it would be the hotels that had like hundreds of rooms. and then the depth. oh is actually in the very like, thousands it was initially thought because of because they was so vast that the, that told was, it was like maybe 25000 people, 1100 homes and drugs valve as at the time on the 14 mysteriously committed suicide . but yeah, i mean, this is all very saw and the, you know, if it, if it was a few hours late sort of feasible was level, you would have tens of thousands of people who are walking outside. i know maybe it's a lot of co incidence. i'm not sure i've never had confidence in the work of the

911 commission for reasons that have never been explained. they did not cooperate with a wide variety of governmental organizations that were trying to get to the bottom of how an attack like 911 could occur in your article. you talk about the commission's chief of staff being uncooperative. can you tell us a little more about that? yeah, sure. i mean, well, i mean, i don't, i, i didn't use the phrase on cooperative, but like, i mean, yeah, i, like i said i, i know that like there were several m s. b, i officials who, who talked to training that they were told to, to uh, uh, to get to lloyd to official investigate investigation. i get a sense that there was some, yeah, there was some good people within the view, right. of who like, what really angry about what happened and once to get to the truth of that, i'm sure the same is the truth. true. the see i as well, i mean the alex, the, the descriptions of alex station and,

and various people working within 5 within it. uh, they seem to be behaving very suspiciously. i mean is right, or the people who uh affect to be on the list would be using code names for each other. i'm trying to recreate the assets within, i'll call you to ritual. i mean, that's not, you know, the work of analysis. you well know you of the but so i mean, not, not in itself is quite suspects. and then there's all sorts of other peculiar at, besides like when they met with the f. b, i appear to attempt to deliberately mislead them about the identities of pennsburg to people in, in photos they presented one of whom was, was a, it was, was a busy order. uh huh. oh yeah, it's the story they and they showed pictures of that has mean middle roman plains and don't know who they why, which is very strange. one of the lingering mysteries as the failure. the refusal really of the c i a and the f b i to cooperate with one another. the result of course, was the $911.00 attack. these 2 organizations hated each other,

and that hatred went all the way back to the creation of the c. i a in 1947. how much did that hatred and refusal to cooperate results in $911.00 or would the attacks have happened any way? well, i mean, the, the, the, every, every life is but rather i think that's the, the phrase is used. i mean, there were all sorts of, i mean the, the us was a highly pennant triple. you know, i have the time, i like that was i, i remember right watching about as a long time ago you that was the that was the style with millennium plot. where and i'll call you to offer tape, attempted to drive a, a cost of explosive in from canada. and it was a really, by chunks that they got stopped because they're all that wire at that time. and enormous number of on demand border crossings with which he could have just slipped past with, with some of these um the uh,

interagency piece between the anesthesia and c. i a has also been distributed for 2911 and a b o or a lot of information sharing or lack there of refusal to um yeah, cool. like cooperate and the situation in which the agencies didn't what each of the new on. i mean, that does it, there is the aspect of it. i mean, it does, it does strike me that, that what that was very deliberate attempts by elements about like stations to prevent the f, b i from finding out about the presence of has me in a mid, middle in the us. like, as i mentioned, not to 2001 meeting where they presented the size of the hijackers, but they refused to stay for you. they weren't even went to the extent of falsely claiming one of the individuals pitch. it was filed elcuse side. it was a suspect in the bombing of the u. s. s. cole, and it hit by one of the f. b. i opted cited in,

in the dining canister. are, is that the testimony is i got a notice the other side for cs 12 and a cs 12 recalls how he confronted i an an s b s. b. i analyst, known as being a coffee and to mind it's that she provide information on a has me and middle and, and she refused. and he explicitly states it off to the side who with the like, someone is going to die unless made or is deceived. criminally, and then like because obviously there are 2 types of investigation. there is, there is a criminal, amended intelligence investigation and people unlike it, when a criminal investigation is a, is a serious thing. indeed, had they had the f b, i know that has me and mid over in the us they could have launched a criminal investigation, found them within days. i did clock who is the head,

who was the players in his head had to come to terms of terrorism operations of the white house, who was pretty much immediately delighted when the bush administration times power has said very much the same thing that they could have been quote, is more information was said, the obvious question is whether it was deliberately with how it's a nice thing that is quite clear that it was um whether that was to allow the attack to go ahead well or no, it is another question to give us your gut reaction to all of this information after all these years, what ends still need to be tied up and will the likes of omar oh by you me. and so i had to somebody ever seek justice. i think what we really need to do is not that needs to be a genuine independent investigation into 911, but that it's not subject to, i mean the, the original, the original 911 commission, a commission, no set that they were, they were set top to fail and deliberately on the funded and i knew it was other

stuff. um yeah, but we need like serious investigation with subpoena power with the uh, perhaps being involved with like the year now rather rather embarrassing mute or investigation with like sweeping powers. but to interview witnesses subpoena rep, it ends and get people on ice and punish them if they are found to be lying and specifically austin. why? if it's the case, if it is the case that the c i had a relationship with took with at least 2 or more of the hijackers. why was that concise? it tends to conceal this. what you bought was, what was the purpose? because there was clearly some, uh, some wider objective that was being served by it. but by that, by that to see why that consumer and so on. i mean, i've seen no indications of anything like this coming the materializing. it is abundantly clear that the entire media just wants to move on and pretend it didn't

happen. like why is the this the item you have the items be rather silent. and then yes about the, the release of this uh, this declaration. i mean, it does appear that some officials, a lease in my home country brenson was paying close attention because when i was stopped in may on the account to tell her of how is the us, its brand, that you're cutting in and whether you're detained for 5 hours against my well well my and progressive the questions on the threats of arresting prosecution for not talking which is you know, assigned to fashion and the use indicators of fascism compelled speech. and i'd like to say specifically honestly what, what was i thought about 911 and for me will monitor with questions about my investigation. so, british intelligence might be a, might have been a, been concerned about about my x plays a. and again, we can also selves, you know, why this would be and why you specifically saw fit to use valuable time in

the interrogation in a windowless room and back of an apple with the load me the about the wall. i still what about 911? yes. like what's now held in data bases around what around the wells by the date, allied security and intelligence and agencies. um yeah, well, quite disturbing to them. thank you. take claire and bird for joining us today. some stories are so tragic and so complicated that many people think it's better to just move on. i hear that all the time about the assassinations of john f. kennedy, robert f. kennedy and martin luther king. i hear you fully often about the 911 attacks, but that's wrong. the american people deserve the truth. they deserve to know if the organization's charged with protecting them are incompetent. they deserve to know if they're in danger. 5 for one and grateful for journalists like kids, clare and birth,

to even years after the facts are still in pursuit of the truth. thanks for joining us for another episode of the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry, uncle. we'll see you next time the. 2 the or the take a fresh look around his life kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by tell us to do vision with no real opinions fixtures designed to simplify. it will confuse to really once a better wills and is it just because it shows you fractured images, presented to this, but can you see through their illusion going underground?

can it was a major thing to bring it to you. sure. yeah, exactly. why give them the condition initially the final appreciate the code and because the issue simply weekly because you will get to the subject yourself. okay. so should the cases i chose coast mcadams. let me choose the name, guys to put them on the, on the plaza. lemme, you know what that was the term? yes. that's the most important thing to do with. some of the risk adjusted is the, this is what are you able to study successful? who wants to build some of the treasures to go? and i still don't know if i'm forward to for, for most of the to mind giving the

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