javert, as graduates, we're coming back on before we get to gaza. i mean, how do you feel about the state of democracy in the usa will be at the supreme court? the verdict was when you probably would agree with given these attempts to prevent the u. s. is leading opposition lead a drum from being elected president lin running in in november. i know you supported by them in case anyone, things your grades of what your donald trump well, in my past i award bananas on a scale of one to 10 toward a banana republic. and i had gotten up to 6 bananas based on the 4 charges that were made against donald trump. but when the supreme court refreshed the colorado case, i eliminated one of the banana. so we're down to 5 now. and i hope we don't get up to 6 or 7 democracy is it risk both from the election of donald trump and also from attempt by trump's enemies? to assure that voters can't vote for him,

or that he is not on ballots or is prosecuted before the election. so i see trash from the democracy on all sides. and just for our international audience, explain how a victoria is donald trump, but the outcome you wouldn't want if uh, if you one like socialist eugene debs, he could still become president and pardon himself while he was in jail. but then that would be a problem if it was a federal conviction, as opposed to state conviction. what exactly happens? we said, pardon itself to mistake conviction. and so if there is a conviction or even new york or fulton county, florida, he couldn't pardon himself. and the law is not clear as to whether he could pardon himself from a federal prosecution, but nobody knows the answer to that question. and it's unlikely that he would try to do it. but he probably would not be sentenced to serve

a prison term while he was president, if he was convicted of a serious offense and then elected president, he'd probably be able to serve his terms president and then face possible imprisonment thereafter. yeah, more unprecedented stuff. meanwhile, um binding. uh, well, the authorities, the justice department of trying to get julian assigned to the united states despite the opposition of all. uh, john lewis all around the world, the australian government, the german government, i understand that you defended daniel's bugs the late den. elizabeth is being on this program, things worse than the 1970s given what's happening to julian hassan. his health as he was tortured in britain, the going to be you in special are up to it is much worse. i was one of the lawyers on the pentagon papers case and there and we stuck. people were treated with the degree of decency assigned has really been made a horrible martyr to free speech. and i'm honored to have been part of is legal

defense team. and if we use extra guides the united states, i hope i can help him avoid prosecution. i think he has a strong case. remember he's the one who stole any secrets like daniel ellsberg good. he's more like to new york times. he publish them and the new york times wasn't even prosecuted galesburg was, but eventually the case was one. but i don't think i son should be prosecuted for publishing material that other people provided to him. and when he gave them to, to any of the, the, any grand jury in virginia as well. you don't get an attorney in front of the grand jury, but the attorney can say outside the grand jury room and he can come out and ask up questions. um, but uh the real question is will we be, can find uh, pending uh, a resolution by the grand jury and he's been to find far too long. already i met him in england before he was confined, and he seemed to be in far better health and spirits. then he was after he went

into the ex, during embassy and then in find and he's likely to be confined in the united states . and that would be too bad. i mean, he comes as close to being a political prisoner, as we have had in a long time in the united states. and so again, i represented many political prisoners in, in my life ranging from nelson mandela to that tundra for ascii and ammonia to continue to defend political prisoners of, of, of every stripe and background against the pressure of government persecution. well, actually, mandela may be relevant here. so the usa sending accuser persecuting truth tellers or publishers preventing democracy as a trying to attack their opposition leader being led to according to a special counsel by mentally ill, the president and, and now people across the world in the, in the, not in the nato nation countries arguably saying that the united states, as

a co conspirator, in genocide you've written a new book where you talk about, um, you talk about the october 7th, the taxes being totally unjustified. does the book didn't mandela justify his balding of restaurants as the apartheid struggle? as a perfectly part of the struggle that is required to overthrow regimes on the basis of their apartheid systems. and he was wrong to do so. and he apologized for doing so and stopped using that kind of terrorism against civilians. i think deliberately, willfully targeting civilians, particularly for rate, which is what happened in when, when i'm ice crossover, the boat or the wind has now confirmed that there were rapes and sexual atrocities . and yet there were some of the still who still denied that there would be headings. i had dinner with

a man whose son was be headed and they almost opportunities tried to sell his son's head is guys up to $10000.00 before it was retrieved. so there's no comparison between what happened. yeah, the u. n. report premium, a path, and this we collected no evidence to support any of the claims, unfounded in, interact, inaccurate forensic evidence is collected by on train volunteer 1st responders. there was visit the you and report this week. lots of potentially valuable evidence, wasn't there? you and expert statements that uh, well, actually you inexpensive said were particularly distressed by repose, about a, simian women and girls in detention have been subjected to multiple forms of sexual assault. and that's what they've been headed baby story. we now know that these really, governments had to admit it, had no evidence of what the claims by nicole is the deck of the i 24 news and repeated by, by them. but then we'll back by the, by the white house. why, in the photographs that prove, conclusively that women were rate,

that they were shot in their vaginas that their breasts were cut off? i've spoken to the man. yeah. who to ground has their photographs. yeah. their photographs and i've seen them in there. why did you know give it to the you and are they are on the way and it is really well the you and officially says there is none. there is no eyes there's. there's nobody us that occurred in israel is equivalent to a holocaust. and i are of you cannot deny the reality. there were rapes from us, a brag about it, a moss was proud of it. and if you start denying the reality of rate, and the reality of this young man, i'm not talking about babies. this young man, 19 years old, who was be headed in his head was offered for sale. there's a boat aren't, i'm, and a can contradicted evidence. and as you remember, another thing the head of home are seeing why was found to have said he does not

want a ceasefire. he thinks that it is israel kills more civilians that the home us cause will be strength. and he will, i think the see fires rather than negotiations over the hostages on both on both sides by me just back to this i raped stuff because they had it babies, stuff isn't even talked about. i said above it, but it says clearly in the united nations report, it was determined by the un mission team. the crime scene had been altered, viable, misquoted, the bodies moved expanding the separation of the body of the gulf and the rest of the family. are you seeing, or maybe you are seeing the altered photographs? gosh, you're just not telling the truth, the un and you, you at the track, apologies to view is for the audio cutting out of that old professor judgments. but we will continue when it comes to israel, because they're very anti 0. same organization that called zionism, racism, but even the un said. but it was clear and convincing evidence of right,

very strong evidence of rake very. and that was after discounts. all this, the evidence is clear. why deny it why become a holocaust, they're not there. why deny? that's in. we'll watch the uses human shields and he wants israel to kill as many palestinian babies as possible because that helps home us in the court of public opinion, palestinian from us leaders have bragged about the use of children and women as human shields there. okay, i just have to say, i just have to say, i always say how often i any of these a be headed babies. these, these are raped claims and i have to say the united nations. i'm reading the u. n thing here. the latest report which has they didn't find actual evidence for that, but only a human shields point. i mean, i know, and you and your book, you cool, i'm just the international. so i'm kind of apologised for home or something. but you know that there is no evidence of all the human shields rent easy and you're

seeing that repeatedly said that there was no human shields and not bother with the situation and quite the opposite. it's the israel is use of human shield palestinian human shields. you from one of the leaders are from us uh, 40 ahmad uh for the power city and people depth is becoming industry which women excel as are people living on those. if i'm to hold up the heads of them, as i'm not talking about operatives dropped me. this is why they have formed human fields of the women, the children, the elderly, animals. yeah. diane, in order to check alan's design is bombing machine. it is if they were saying design, does that mean? what do you desire just like you desire? like there is a videotape of these words coming out of his mouth. you can be a rated i, or you can be a hawk, a snyder, but you cannot be a human shield. and i are because there are multiple leaders of almost who have brag about the use of babies and children,

and women as human shields. you take that word over, i'm to see international ass, which is a conclusively, there is no evidence for these are human jails. the amnesty international file, the report of the harvard amnesty international group on october 7th saying that the killings were all the fault of israel and that how mos. oh well i did not do anything improper. no, i don't trust them to stay international at all. i trust photographs, who are you going to believe the photographs or you're lying eyes? who are you going to believe the video tape of the liter or from us? now this video tape was not used by understands and national when issues they denial that human shields were being used. it well, lumen fields are being used, so people know photographs that have been publicly available, but to propose or advertisements. i'll stop you that i'll just go, i'll stop you. the more from the merits is professor at harvard law school and pulled a little after the old trump engineer designer. after this break,

the the, what is part of the, the employee would posted isn't the defense you of us and that in the word, or is it something deep but more complex might be present good. let's stop without cases. let's go to the product. the the

the welcome back to the ground. i'm still here with the full of a trump lawyer emeritus professor at harvard law school in alter the new book war against the jews have to end masses, barbarism press, alan, josh events. we were talking about. well, you said you have photographic evidence alpha the atrocities on october the 7th. but now that we have a upwards of tens of tens of thousands of children palestinian skilled. you haven't changed your mind at all about what is going on, even though the countries, which is the buying the weapons to israel. clearly the populations that the populations in the united states daily attending against israel,

a wide strength in my view because of the numbers. let's take the numbers. let's assume the palestinian authority that is thomas's right, that there are 30000 totally killed. they don't distinguish between civilians and commence 13000 according to israel. our direct combat is that we've 17000. we then have to deduct from that the number of people who've been killed by eric rockets, for example, the one that was sent to the hospital. we know hundreds will kill by and islamic jihad rocket. we have to take away from that civilians who would voluntarily human shields or allow their homes to be used for build tunnels or allow their homes to be used to fight how most people, if we get that down probably either or a foot board number of, of civilians killed and terrace killed. in other words, the ratio is probably about $12.00 to $13000.00 of each. that is the lowest ratio civilians, bigger bands in the history of urban warfare. there has never been an army that is

killed, fewer civilians and fewer children. remember, children is defined by a mazda is any 119. they recruit their terrace, 131415161718. so many of the so called children are terrorist. the same thing is true of the women. just because you are a woman doesn't mean you're not a terrorist. and so many of the women who are killed or actual terrorist or complicit in terrorism. and when israel has the best ratio of civilian to lowest ratio of civilian took a band desk and that's called genocide. it shows you have no idea what the meaning of genocide is. genocide is the live partly willfully targeting an entire well every will get all the genocide the 2nd. but high read these riley paper herad sociology professor would be able to have, as of israel, has said that the ratio is significantly higher than the average civilian deaths tool in all conflicts around the world. in the 2nd world war 2,

the 1990s as regards of into calling with the razor. and when you talk about children, i've got a list here. i have the actual list here of one after the other of people children influence 0 years old, one years old, 2 years old, 3 years old. i mean, i got this right here. i got the names of all these people then, or 80, or i'm do. they have a list of the 1000 or 2000 children, but from a total of 30000 people killed, that still makes it the lowest ratio of civilians to combatants in any history. and i challenge any, well, this is a 3 on the account holds in gaza. 2012 to 2022 ratio of civilian death tells us 44 percent major decline to 33 percent operations yield in arrow in the 1st 3 weeks of this kind of operation. 61 percent. but let's just take, i mean, aside from all these contested by both sides. so this takes the actual woods off say, president gets i could still go, i think, you know, the president of israel,

i know quotes it is an entire nation who are responsible this rhetoric about civilians. so visually, the rhetoric, both of us are arguing about supposedly not being involved is absolutely untrue and we will fight until we break their backs. and of course he's really defenders enough to is right. god that has declared war and his real gossip is and unit gaza. is real off of who my children. so they asked majority of guidance support what. how much did the vast majority of the west bank did? and what president hurts are merely said is there is responsibility in the way the german people are responsible for the nazis. the japanese people responsible for what happened there and, and yes, when you elect people as the guidelines elected a mouse and the boss acts on your behalf and committed atrocities, there is collective responsibility. that doesn't mean there should be collected punishment. that doesn't mean that there are some people should be killed and

israel goes to great lengths to avoid killing of civilians more than any other country. they give warnings, they tell in advance were their attack is going to be and yet civilians are killed because they use the human shields. when you used to go as human shields, civilians died, as i said, there's no evidence of human fields as being officially seen. but i mean that argument can go on and on. yeah. but in your book, and you would just add, mentioning the 2nd world war violence, i mean the, the file bombing of tokyo with the bridge bombing of dresden, i know it used, i've never heard of them being used as excuses for the war. nobody is using, i mean, if anything, these are atrocities that i mean the film oppenheimer, they may win oscars that it's not so much the 0 schumer and i guess like you were necessary. some people debate with it. they should have happened to tool the bombing of dresden and so. and whereas you, again and again say they were clearly necessary in the fight against not as a,

and i oppose. i was opposed to the bombing of dresden, i'm in favor of the bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki, vomiting a fever, she, mercedes, more than a 100000 american lives of soldiers. you know, that's the point. there was already a deal with russia as late as dorians. about an hour later when japan did in pearl harbor, you put your civilians at risk and military to make decisions. i would not have supported the decision on that. exactly. but it's real doesn't do. there is real, is engaged in efforts to try to destroy how much they have the right to do that. that's part of american policy. that's part of british policy, this part of nato policy. israel has the right to destroy from us. it should do it in a way that the boss has the right to destroy israel. then under 2334, and the right to struggle in un general assembly resolution the body 3 rate and the head and assault and kidnapped intake has told you about the beheading.

there's no evidence your lawyer knew. you have to develop the evidence and i and i saw the picture i had, i know the person is had it's, it's online. his head was over just for sale, content. that was none of this being validated by the official un reports into atrocities. and it has been validated and it's absolutely true. i sat next to the father crying his eyes out, showing me the picture of the sign. well, the white house has walked back by miss robins original. so ad for $10000.00, you destroy your own credibility. when you dispute that, when do you disagree the race? when do you dispute the use of human shields? you destroy your credibility, you just will be either below clearly like a hi there. remember nazis? the $9.00 cost the so many years and that destroyed their credibility. and anyone who says there was no rates,

anyone who says there is no human feels does not deserve to be listened to on any other subject. their credibility is gone. okay, well we haven't seen the evidence the new york times is walking back earlier pieces and then you know, without the use of rape, the quite the opposite. i read new york times that there been efforts by some radical head to israel, people to get them to walk it back, and they have refused to walk it back. they're standing by their view in the us standing by issue that there is clear and convincing evidence that is a very high, okay? and that's no evidence of rates, not only rates individually, but rates as a policy of the boss, which is one of the worst. why is this folks pass the room keyboards, gary? rejecting these k is why is it a family of the one family over the woman who is allegedly reg said, this is not true. why the new york times publishing?

there's a lot of this exposed by the grades and of course, max bloom and tools. max, all of that big x blumenthal is a big it, these bonanza israel from the very beginning is not to be true. sit and there are many others who are not to be trusted. look at the photographs, the, the video tapes, the israel has produced at the times, relied on looking at what the united nations relied on. you will see clear and convincing evidence as far as the know i read the whole report and they clearly say they collected no evidence. that is the words of promoting happen this week. why? oh tunnels underneath the hospitals. if they weren't using the hospitals as human shields, you know what i called the hospitals. i called the mazda tunnels, under the heard of god. but why put guys under siege? but anyway, fundamental to all of this is the right of the palace, getting people to struggle against a, a struggle. they were offered a state and 48 and 67 in uh, 90 maybe 2, but they still have the right to um,

struggle against occupation or direct me. there was an estate in 2005 the night in 2007, 800 omer, offered them to stay on 98 percent of the west backs. a 100 percent is these are live and well and they turned it down. so no, they have no right to struggle. they have a right to diplomacy. they have the right to accept a 2 state solution to argue for. but they have no right to rate at the head as you assault as a kid now, and to take a one year old baby and hold them hostage. we didn't even know that they used to live. no, they have no right to do that. how many children palestinian children are in is riley's james. none none. mary jane. no children in these refugees. roles. yeah, there are so you so you agree with your friend president had so what about you?

i've got on there will be no electricity. there will be no food, no fuel, everything is closed. we are fighting animal people and we are acting accordingly. do we? why the well, i mean actually does, does get onto this. people have said joe biden, maybe the last pro israel president. what do you feel as a defender of his right as a friend of nothing? yahoo! knowing that you've lost the narrative. now in the united states, the rest of the world clearly is not supporting the a pack logs. these really line is this, the end of it, these riley projects we approaching the end of the as rarely project of israel support among american voters is higher and very high, particularly among people of voting age. they have lots of support among young people. of israel is militarily strong. israel will never give up and they will always be in his role and until the palestinians recognize that and understand that until, you know, i sat across from a boss,

the head of the palestinians are free and i sent them over a dinner. if you will say the following words, i hear, but recognize israel as the legitimate nation state of the jewish people. i will get you to stay solution. and he said, i can't do that. i cannot recognize israel is the nation state of the jewish people . that's the problem, that's the core of the problem. i support for the 2 state solution i have since i do the everything, i don't think many experts do support the tuesday. they want one state from the river to the city with both jews, but christians and muslims all living in. and you know, how must, except in these riley states and that change of that traffic with 1967 borders. i truly say, look in my book, i quote the charter words the word and i quote, the revised charter. i challenge anybody to read it and tell me that her last day was it is rarely say, let me tell you, if i'm oscillator would get up and say, i favor the establishment of a nation,

save the george people in israel. he would be assassinated immediately. no, i'm, i was just finally and briefly then. so 50 to the majority in america, according to pollings, is against sending weapons. now, to israel, you think they being influenced by george soros and i'm just the international and do you think that's what's happened and how often universities? why is it the majority now? do not sending it well. i think the majority probably poses any webpage to any country in the world. they're many i salacious, but the majority support israel majority support, the destruction of a mosque majority support president by the policy of allowing israel to destroy him . us getting the hostages back with less than a mentor says until they stop the attacks. no weapons should be sent. no, that's the, that's the, that's the you got a lot. and number 2, the, the american policy is supported by most americans, and that is the structure from us getting the hostages back and trying to move

toward the possibility of a tuesday solution. but the can't be a 2 state solution if i'm honest or amazing power, let me tell you the most greatest beneficiaries of israel destroying how much would be the palestinian people, the palestinian people without the moss could thrive. there could be a democracy. what is real? ended its occupation of all dogs in 2005, 2006. they could have built cynthia. what was that time to continue your patient as we go? there was no occupation until i'm us took over on a cool kill the palestinian authority. was also that as a rockets in israel said it has to guard the borders and it has to have control it . so that was your and everything. but the other professor, how long does your wits thank you as well. thank you. let's stick to this act. okay . as right, that's it for the show. continued condolences to those bereaved by

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the marty obtains exclusive documents verifying and opposition party attempt to enlist us involvement from the upcoming south african election. the amc willing party spokesperson says any intervention people you can be assured that we will look in the attempted to closing up with i'd say us, so any of the, you know, like we would look at a, not just as the agency, the people that we feel up any attempt to just really we thought addictions the united states is responsible for these chaos because they are the ones who send a web us to create it. all patients claims us as meddling and.