says this is over for a hand. first of all, you know, he's a sitting president, but the things he did, he did his vice president, he did as a senator, a truck. but the other hand, took these documents as president and could be classified documents. you can make that argument by that no, right, the declassified to keep to take the hold over 40 years ago. say to get so, but now this is it, i mean um yeah, you know and let unless the donald trump becomes president and then he seeks to reopen the case and instructs the justice department to reopen. you can't do that this. they wouldn't be double jeopardy because the jury didn't find him not guilty . they was just not charged, but i think you could have another investigation. but i don't think trump would go that route. if you were president. i want to ask the name of that as always, a pleasure to, i'm going to staples of talk, show host. so you got my pleasure. thank you. well, i wrote something to this and use that across though,

because i'm next with fiddler. well, we'll be back in about 30 minutes of the latest global news round up. i hope you'll join us then the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross ok. we're all things are considered. non peter live out . according to joe biden, america's most pressing challenge is the survival of the camp regime. his own country's problems are largely secondary. the problem with biting on all those who support the ukraine project is the fact that you crane has already lost

the cross. how can you crane? i'm joined by my guess. ray mcgovern in raleigh is a former c. i a analyst in washington. we have richard cook. he is a former us federal policy analyst as well as author of our country that in now and here in moscow we cross the patrick headings and he is the editor in founder of the 21st century wire. or i telling cross talk roles in effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. all right, let me go to you 1st here. i know i live very far away and maybe because of distance, i don't have the great the same amount of focus, but you have a job. i didn't really spend a lot of time on ukraine. it was 1st on the, on the shopping list there. i mean, is that america's most pressing problem right now, after all, it was the state of the union? the, the speech indicated, not the ukraine was top of the list to preserve the regime,

but rather than the democratic party and joe biden, or top of the list preserve the regime. it was quite a shouting match was actually an embarrassment. the says about ukraine, where is particularly center call. uh we're gonna, i'm gonna support them. yeah. but we're not going to put troops on the ground. they're losing, as you already said, peter. so what's gonna happen? what's gonna happen when they lose? sure. will we put troops on the ground? no. when we lose the war or our we can't lose the war and election year and can we? so what are we going to do? that's the problem. i fear that there's a chance that these don't these people who are advising bite and might tell them, look the old many know go would do the trick to show the russians where really, really serious here and preserved this situation until november. and that's of course, all they care about november is to target. well i, i, unfortunately,

i couldn't agree with you more if they are in panic mode right now. and when you panic, you have bad decision making, you know, richard, they this whole issue about $61000000000.00. i call it magic money. okay. it, because it's supposed to perform magic. there is no evidence whatsoever that kind of money or even more that will change the current status of the battlefield. but nonetheless, they want to do it is a money laundering operation. now, richard, there is nothing new about us finance here is getting rich from the depths of their fellow human beings and the destruction of nations. me for just a historian. if you go back to world war one, it was the u. s. banks, lending money to britain in france, that finance the allies and in world war one, most of this money came back to the united states,

to american weapons manufacturers. the same thing happened in world war 2 with the land lease programs. and on it goes, uh, every wars are to us as well, on his end up back in the accounts with us banks in the us weapons manufacturers. uh, so one of the things that the politicians are using to sell us on the $60000000000.00 additional money to ukraine is that 50 percent of this will come back to us weapons manufacturers. and of course, what they're telling us is that, well, this is going to create new jobs, and this is not going to do that. uh, the assembly lines will keep running, creating new incredibly expensive weapons to take years to see through the pipeline . but in the meantime,

the big companies that own these manufacturers or the headphones like black rock or state street or vanguard. uh, these companies are also engaged in something called stock buybacks. where the company itself buys just stock. it removes it from the market, and that's been a legal since it was uh, uh, declared legal under the reagan administration, or going way back, so 0. so richard, what you're saying is, it's, it's what you're saying. richard is good work if you can get it. that's what it's sounds like it to me. okay, but i'll just tell them it's a skate. it's a racket. patrick, it's already been a ray already mentioned about the boots on the ground. that's always a very interesting thing. we've had a flurry of european leaders totally embarrass themselves over the last 2 weeks. so who has drugs there who doesn't have to observe the contradicting each other left, right, and center stealth and berg. the general secretary of ne, of nato essentially now says yes, all this started big because of nato expansion,

but can't seem to get their story straight. patrick, show their panicking. they can't get the narrative straight microns sort of through a warbler by saying that, well, we maybe need to deploy unilaterally with our baltic partners and that cause panic at nato h q and spelt and berg immediately trying to walk it back. totally insisting that we are not directly involved. we are not a party to this conflict. nato has never been a party is not, and never will be a party to the comfort. of course, there are a party to the right padre. okay, so let me, how many interrupt you mean to interrupt you? since you mentioned the secretary general there, let me, let me read the quote here. this is the last new cycle. nato has no plans to send troops to ukraine, and nato is not part of the to the conflict, nor our nato allies. well, in the same news, i go on still talking to you, patrick, in the same new cycle. we have published your facial saying, oh yeah, there are they go troops in ukraine? i mean, they think this is turning into

a circus is an embarrassment here to call him patrick. so what, what was happening is if they'll say whatever they need to say to each other, to europeans, to each other or nato members to each other. they're in their own sort of world, which is completely detached from the realities on the ground in ukraine, especially. the reality is there have been special forces from nato member states navy seals, british s a. s s, a special boat service, s b s. other countries, french have had legion there. uh, troops on the ground there at various points is conflict. there's us trainers are operating highmore as patriot missile batteries of all of these advisors and so forth. so of course they have boots on the ground, but they're not officially doing it so therefore, according to them to each other, they're ok. they can absolve themselves of any direction. involvement in the conflict. of course, we know that's ridiculous. yes. so, but this is where we're at right now, right. you know, we have a,

it's been and mentioned that they could have official trainers there, you know, under and nato flag or nations flags under the assumptions. the russians wouldn't dare. i think that's pretty flawed thinking right. well i think that the food chain has made it very clear. is there a tripped sent in there? they will probably die. it's very clear that the russians are drawing a red line here. who change even uses state as a nation address to say look, uh this is, this is it we're not gonna tolerate, then please, please remember, please, that we have nuclear weapons. and actually we have more sophisticated nuclear capabilities and then you all have. so don't you get that though to understand that . so this is serious stuff and started back and i remember back in september, september 7th, it was nice talking to the

e u r lemma. it says all is is your know 14 so doors. yeah. here's the agreement. there's so, so uh, no toys isaac's bed and guess what? or have friends and we have a square in there. oh, look what happened here. you said near to should that expense. we rejected that. and he said this would be a precondition to and bathing ukraine, but we said no size, no dice. so you know, i call them dolton bird, but a lot of my don't friends don't, don't agree with that. they're, they're embarrassed. so you have don't burger and you have people like 3 on a hill with a quite remarkable record of saying, well, you know, they want to kick us out of europe. ben and new york times and here shell saying, and don't let the door hit you on the way on the way out there. you know. well, gimme

a break. there's no indication whatsoever. and the russian troops are prepared or even want to, why would they want to punch or move point? yeah, but to me i would rate, you know, they go to richard here. i mean, we've heard this again. we have to fight them over there. so we don't have to fight them here, richard, it's a pretty hollow argument right now. because if we look at the lineage of this complex here re, um, i'll put it very well. i mean, the, the, the russians, they gave them an offer him and they refused to do it. they refused to even the baker of the, the, what the russians proposed before the special military operation is still offer to . they still refused to accept it. richard, well again, look at the historical perspective and i want to go back and refer to by the speech you brought up initially, theater. to me it was an example of something right out of the

1984. and that was the 2 minutes hague. a bite and bin is delusional, as he is. and his speech writers seem to think that all i need to do is mention russia and put in the american masses or didn't get a march in lock step to approve of these tens of billions of dollars going to a fascist government to, to us installed in keels in in 2014 a but again, along the lines of the historical perspective, this is something that i put a lot of work into in my, in my, in my book. the idea of we must fight them over there to avoid fighting. here is absolute utter nonsense. it's a lie. in fact, a war in ukraine is the result. as i think many commentators have pointed out of the aggressive eastward expansion of nato course that's been going on for

a very long time. actually. we can go back to the land, you know, richard, i can tell you i, i cite exactly the same thing and you know what happened to me. i was thrown off twitter for 2 years for saying exactly the same as a matter of fact, to my guessing my audience, i was actually paraphrasing brock obama, and now you can say it's okay, it's really quite remarkable here, richard and hold that thought i have to go to a hard break and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with our team. the .

the water is a part of the leg. is it a valuable post that isn't the deep su of us and that in the word part, is it something deeper, more complex might be present there? let's stop without please. is that spelled out of the welcome back across stock? were all things are considered. i'm cute. little bill to remind you we're discussing ukraine. the ok, let's go back to richard in washington. unfortunately, had to go to a heart breaking. i interrupted you please continue. i think we have to go back to the great game,

which was the long term warfare that the british empire was waging against russia. going back into the mid 19th century. because russia was the center of what, uh, this guy named mackenzie or yep. later to make it so you're raising heartland. it's been observed that britain is even more vehement in the west today. and keeping the war in ukraine going uh, because ever since world war one, the anglo american project for world compromised and there is a project, is dependent on us for the military muscle to back the imperial plan. that britain still sees itself is heading up. and i think that's really what we're looking at. uh, ukraine has been identified as kind of the key to control of the your ration heartland . they're trying to break up russia in the 19 ninety's. it's fail because of

largely up to be coming to travel is for a rush, a resurgence, and that's what they're fighting against. they're fighting to break up pressure and to gain control of the rage and heartland to the anglo american empire. while it continue saying richard, because felton bird talks about, you know, as or by john, moldova, and on are these, these people have griffin den patients. the problem is that they fail every step of the way. patrick, i noticed that you were nodding your head when richard was speaking. what, why, what do you agree? this is absolutely correct. i mean, is, this is great game 2 point. oh, you know, i think the animates between britain historically and russia certainly for some reason that plays a part in all this. but what right now, i think the important thing to look at is looking at biden's state of the union speech. he said something that's the lensky echoed on social media,

which is that we are holding back. the russian advance is because of our aid for ukraine, by insane because of the weapons were reporting, and we're keeping russia from over running europe. this is basically what the prison united states has said. zelinski echoed the same thing. so clearly that's a talking point. we're holding back those russians. we're saving europe from the russian advance. when in reality, if you look at the, the, the, the data from the united nations and other groups, this is the lowest amount of civilian casualties in a conflict of this scale in the modern era. so clearly from the beginning, it's kind of obvious, although western is don't want to hear this, but russia has been meticulous in avoiding civilian casualties. hence this what they consider slow progress. meanwhile, ukraine, nato, backed by nato, had been staging provocations, further and further into russian territory. and ending all sorts of different targets. so they're not holding back the russian advance. russia is merely being very careful intake to us in their position,

but they're doing everything possible from the nato and ukraine perspective, to provoke russia to it, to advance it further into ukraine. so a lot of this is propaganda. a lot of this is agitation, propaganda, or agit prompt, which really that's what key of is doing now on social media in this is backed up by the same talking points and watch it. well, that's all they have now we're talking points or i'm glad patrick brought that up because the where the front is right now, that's where ethnic russians live. rush has every reason to see the protection of civilian life. there however, there's always uh, casualties in more. you know, re what, is it something that you and i have talked about for years? is it, you know, when we look at ukraine, we look at the, the tragedy in, in gaza. these are a lead agendas. okay? because you know, the president, the united states, if you had any forwarded to it and honesty, integrity, just get on the phone and say, knock it off. okay. they could do that,

but this president won't do it. and these 2 conflicts are not popular in the, in the sense of what the population, these wars are a leak driven, as peter is, the person is heide bound, a hardened audra wrist comes to mind. and you are. the proof is in the pudding. even hardliners like angela stand, then fiona hill, admit that in the, in april of 2020 to $6.00 weeks. because this thing started, there was a deal, know ukraine and nato and would talk about prime and the rest of the stuff later there would be guarantee. okay, but no, you great, and they tell, okay, well what does that mean? what does that mean? that what is the deal? does that mean russian wants to go all the way into poland and the world think i and the to the english channel though it's us it. so it's admitted even by the

ukrainian negotiators. they had this deal. it was about something else was about weakening russia as are in the defense secretary admitted at one point and the rest is realized that so there is an extra bleed going forward. the problem is the wires last for the us and for nato and for, for ukraine. so what's gonna happen next in the election year? no boots on the ground. how else can there it? can the west hope to just to staunch this this advance? again, i fear that these nail fights, these acolytes of bicycles are, you know, we had those to those other weapons, but now we have these little mini notes. well, why don't we, why we try one of those before the election and our show the russian. and we'll probably get to the election and show how tough we are. that is what i see, you know, right. i mean, they and angela's spent in the, on the hill i'm, i know the article that you're referring in foreign affairs. but you know what, ray, and i say this to my guess in my audience,

if we hadn't been taken off of youtube by mean r t i, i, we did a program in real time when the assembled process was going on. and we were being told, an initial deal has already been made. i ran down to the studio and said, oh my goodness, you know, and we talked about it. and then because it was never mentioned in western media, a r t as an outlet was ban, nobody heard about it because nobody reported about it had been months, months later, they break it. it is, it is news. okay. all of us, they were interested in what was going on there. already knew that. okay. okay, let me go to richard, i'm sorry, speech over everybody. richard. i mean, there's the united states and we've had a focus here on the u. k. they can't admit defeat. can they, they just can't do it no. first time. no, because the long term project is global conquest. this was decided that meetings of the council on foreign relations, which of course has a clone of a british chatham house,

a back at the beginning of world war 2. it was put in the battle plan for world war 2 and carried over into the cold war. it became the wolf of his doctrine in 1991. but it became full spectrum dominance in the early 2, thousands under under bush and then continuing under obama. and they've never backed off from that. so it's always a flight forward that as the term has been used, until the united states steps back and realize just the full spectrum dominance is a formula for endless war. uh, nothing will change and they'll keep talking and they'll keep pushing. and they'll keep seeking a new battlefront and it will go on and on amount. uh and that is what has to stuff . that's what the american people must put in m to well, you know, patrick, the, the, i've said, you know, the longer this,

the more the west continues to support ukraine, the smaller ukraine becomes geographically. and it's demographics as well. in the interest of ukraine have really never been mentioned in all of this. it's always the focus has been russia, and that was, you know, uh the, the predicate of all this was russia, gates and 2016. and donald trump go ahead. patrick that we eat and the stilton burke himself as being on we need to support ukrainian sovereignty, preserve ukrainian sovereignty. you create the tragedy of ukraine is that has been stripped of its sovereignty really from if you want to go to, to 2014 and the, my don cool from that point forward in the introduction of all these anti corruption bureaus or micro managed by washington to cover up real corruption in fact and so you see the sovereignty, ukraine being eroded to the point now where they're totally subsidized by western funding to run their government to pay their pensions to run their military. this

is the most on sovereign state on the planet, right? now, in terms of having control of its own affairs and being able to manage its own economy, the economy shots, the population has floods, they're not coming back, the territory is shrinking. the longer it goes on the worse it gets, it's time to cut their losses. it's time for everybody to come to the table, but there's some parties that don't want that to happen because guess what? business is just too good if you're in the right point of business. and that's the main problem that we're seeing. you know, re, victor owed about that when i paid a trumpet visit in tomorrow logo and an interview afterwards he, he said that trump, if he becomes present, that one penny more for ukraine. how is the white house, how the american administration and the europeans reacting to that in your mind as well, that would be disaster for the i'm straight, wouldn't that? yeah, that'd be disaster. well, i don't need any of us are going to cry over that on this program, but it keep going. i have no stock and the arms traders. you know,

it's hard to understand where trump really do after what he says. nato is clearly worried about trump. but nato's falling apart anyway, left for the comedy that has existed over the last 2 weeks for the friendship. and we're going to send some curvature. now when i read your book, the germans say no, you are not elbows underground, daughter, i just bought it. so what is my home trying to do is try and pay it just as tough as buying. right. okay. and one ukraine moses by phone cuz they're or might well, i don't know, i was really going quite a bit providing troops. so it's all busier and the theater is going to become very, very tenuous and very, very, very hard to discern as the election comes, comes interview because somebody didn't, can't afford to lose. i mean, john kennedy once said that the important thing is never to give another nuclear

power, a choice between humiliating retreat and using noakes. ok, well that's what has come about now with respect to grade that from the russian side. now, winning from the american side, they have a choice between the humiliating defeat or using nuclear weapons. and i have no confidence that those people advising bite and, and binding himself with these harden arteries. and there's no higher brush of my sprig. i think i can speak, but i would make a sensible search. i can shake. i think i can speak for the panel and our viewers. no, i don't think they will make this sensible decision. gentleman, that's all the time we have one. i think my guess in raleigh washington, and here in moscow. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time we member process the

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