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way to go west. this is awesome. international a . the hello and welcome to cross ok. we're all things are considered non peter live out. according to joe biden, america's most pressing challenge is the survival of the cube. regime is all countries problems are largely secondary. the problem with biting an all those who support the ukraine project is the fact that you cream is already lost the
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cross. how can you crane? i'm joined by my guess. ray mcgovern in raleigh is a former c. i a analyst in washington. we have richard cook, he is a former us federal policy analyst as well as author of our country that in now and here in moscow we cross the patrick headings and he is the editor in founder of the 21st century wire. alright, telling cross talk roles and effect, that means you can jump anytime you want and i always appreciate it. all right, let me go to you 1st here. i know i live very far away and may be because of distance. i don't have the great the same amount of focus, but you have but a job. i don't really spend a lot of time on ukraine. it was 1st on the, on the shopping list there. i mean, is that america is most pressing problem right now. after all, it was the state of the union. the, the speech indicated, not the ukraine was top of the list to preserve the regime. but rather
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that the democratic party and joe biden, or top of the list reserved the regime. it was quite a shouting match was actually the embarrassment. uh, the best as about ukraine was particularly center call. we're gonna, i'm gonna support them. yeah. but we're not going to put troops on the ground as they are losing, as you already said, peter. so what's gonna happen, what's gonna happen when they lose? sure. well, we put troops on the ground. no, well, we lose the war or our, we can't lose the war and election year and can we? so what are we going to do? that's the problem. i fear that there's a chance that these don't these people who are advising bite and might tell them, look, a little mini, no go would do the trick to show the russians were really, really serious here and preserved this situation until november. and that's of course, all they care about november is to target. well i, unfortunately,
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i couldn't agree with you more if they are in panic mode right now. and when you panic, you have bad decision making. you know, richard, this whole issue about $61000000000.00. i call it magic money. okay. it, because it's supposed to perform magic. there is no evidence whatsoever that kind of money or even more that will change the current status of the battlefield. but nonetheless, they want to do it. is this a money laundering operation? now, richard, there is nothing new about us finance here is getting rich from the depths of their fellow human beings and the destruction of nations. me for just a historian. if you go back to world war one, it was the u. s. banks lending money to britain in france. that finance the allies and enrolled were one. most of this money came back to the united states to
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american weapons manufacturers. the same thing happened in world war 2 with the land lease programs. and on it goes, uh, every wars it to us is full on his end to the back in the accounts with us banks in the us weapons manufacturers. uh, so one of the things that the politicians are using to sell us on the $60000000000.00 additional money to ukraine is that 50 percent of this will come back to us weapons manufacturers. and of course, what they're telling us is that, well, this is going to create new jobs, and this not going to do that. uh, the assembly lines will keep running, creating new incredibly expensive weapons to take years to see through the pipeline . but in the meantime,
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the big companies that own these manufacturers or the headphones like black rock or state street or vanguard. uh, these companies are also engaged with something called stock buybacks, where the company itself buys just stock. yeah. removed it from the market. and that's been a legal since it was uh uh, declared illegal under the reagan administration or going way back so. so to 0. so richard, what you're saying is, it's, it's what you're saying, which is good work if you can get it. that's what it's sounds like it to me. okay. but i just tell them it's a scale. it's a racket. patrick, it's already been a ray already mentioned about the boots on the ground. that's always a very interesting thing. we've had a flurry of european leaders totally embarrass themselves over the last 2 weeks, so who has troops there who doesn't have to observe the contradicting each other left, right and centre, spelt and berg. the general secretary of ne, of nato essentially now says yes, all this started be because of nato expansion,
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but can't seem to get their story straight. patrick, show their panicking. they can't get the narrative straight microns sort of through a warbler by saying that, well, we maybe need to deploy unilaterally with our baltic partners and that cause panic at nato h q and spelt and berg immediately trying to walk it back. totally insisting that we are not directly involved. we are not a party to this conflict. nato has never been a party is not, and never will be a party to the cause. of course, there are a party to the right padre. okay, so let me, how many interrupt you mean to interrupt you? since you mentioned the secretary general there, let me, let me read the quote here. this is the last new cycle. nato has no plans to send troops to ukraine, and nato is not part of the to the conflict, nor our nato allies. well, in the same news, i go on still talking to you, patrick, in the same new cycle. we have poets your facial saying, oh yeah, there are they go troops in ukraine?
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i mean, they think this is turning into a circus. it's has an embarrassment here. keep going, patrick. so what, what, what's happening is that they'll say whatever they need to say to each other, to europeans, to each other, or nato members to each other. they're in their own sort of world, which is completely detached from the realities on the ground in ukraine, especially the reality is there have been special forces from natal member states navy seals. british s a s s a special boat service, s b s. other country french have had leasing their troops on the ground. there at various points is conflict. there's us trainers, they're operating high mars patriot missile batteries of all of these advisors and so forth. so of course they have boots on the ground, but they're not officially doing it so therefore, according to them to each other, they're ok. they can absolve themselves of any direction. involvement in the conflict. of course, we know that's ridiculous. yes. so, but this is where we're at right now. right. you know, we have,
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it's been and mentioned that they could have official trainers there, you know, under a nato flag or nations flags under the assumptions. the russians wouldn't dare. i think that's pretty flaw. i'm thinking right, well, i think that the food chain has made it very clear. the 3rd troops sent in there. they will probably die. it's very clear that the russians are drawing a red line here. who change even uses state as a nation address to say look, uh this is, this is it. we're not going to tolerate that. please, please remember, please. we have nuclear weapons and actually we have more sophisticated nuclear capabilities and then you all have. so don't forget that though, to understand that. so this is serious stuff and started back. and i remember back in september, september 7th, it was nice talking to the e,
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u r lemma is all there is, is your know, 14 as it was. yeah. here's the agreement so, so no, so it was either bed and guess what or have friends and then we have a square in oh, look what happened here says near to should the expense we rejected that. and he said this would be a precondition to and bathing ukraine, but we said nose eyes, no dice. so you know, i call them dulcie bird, but a lot of my adult friends don't, don't agree with that. they're, they're embarrassed. so you have don't burger and you have people like fiona hill with a quite remarkable record of saying, well, you know, are they want to kick us out of europe and, and new york times and here shell saying and don't let the door hit you on the way
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on the way out there, you know, well, gimme a break. there's no indication whatsoever. the russian troops prepared or even want to, why would they want to punch your move? but yeah, put your me, i would rate, you know, they go to richard here. i mean we, we've heard this again, we have to fight them over there, so we don't have to fight them here. richard is, it's a pretty hollow argument right now, because we look at the lineage of this complex here re, um, i'll put it very well. i mean, the, the, the russians, they gave them an offer him and they refused to do it. they refused to even make up the, what the russians proposed before the special military operation is still offer to . they still refused to accept it. richard, well, again, looked at the historical perspective and i want to go back and refer to by the speech it you brought up initially, theater. to me it was an example of something right out of the
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1984. and that was the 2 minutes hate a bite and bin is delusional, as he is. i and his speech writers seem to think that all i need to do is mention russia and put me in the american masses or didn't get a march in lock step to approve of these tens of billions of dollars going to a fascist government. that to us installed in k of in, in 2014. but again, along the lines of the historical perspective, this is something that i put a lot of work into in my, in my, in my book. the idea of we must fight them over there. to avoid fighting. here is absolute folder nonsense. it's a lie. in fact, a war in ukraine is the result. as i think many commentators have pointed out uh, a via aggressive eastward expansion of nato course. that's been going on for
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a very long time. actually. we can go back to the, you know, richard, i can tell you i, i cite exactly the same thing and you know what happened to me. i was thrown off twitter for 2 years for saying exactly the same as a matter of fact, to my guessing my audience, i was actually paraphrasing brock obama, and now you can say it, okay. it's really quite remarkable here, richard and hold that thought i have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with the the,
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the russian states. never as one of the most sense community best. most all sense of the, in the 65 to 5 must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will fan in the european union, the kremlin machine, the state on the rush to day and split the r t. suppose next. even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services. for what question did you say from stephen twist, which is the
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welcome back across stock? were all things are considered computer ability to manual discussing ukraine? the okay, let's go back to richard in washington. unfortunately, had to go to a hard break and i interrupted, you please continue. i think we have to go back to the great game, which was the long term warfare that the british empire was waging against russia. going back into the mid 19th century. because russia was the center of what was this guy named mckinley or yep, later to make it so you're raising heartland. it's been observed that britain is even more vehement in the west today and keeping the war in ukraine. going uh uh, because ever since world war one,
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the anglo american project for world compromised and there is a project, is dependent on us for the military muscle to back the imperial plan. that britain still sees itself is heading up. and i think that's really what we're looking at. uh, ukraine has been identified as kind of the key to control of the your ration heartland . they tried to break up russia in the 19 ninety's. it's fail because of largely up to becoming the catalyst for a russian resurgence, and that's what they're fighting against. they're fighting to break up pressure and to gain control of the ration heartland for the anglo american empire. while it continue saying richard, because felton burton talks about you know, as or by john, moldova, and on are these, these people have griffin den patients? the problem is they get, they fail every step of the way. patrick, i noticed that you were nodding your head when richard was speaking. what, why,
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what do you agree? this is absolutely correct. i mean, is, this is great game 2 point. oh, you know, i think the animates between britain historically and russia certainly for some reason that plays a part in all of this. but what right now, i think the important thing to look at is looking at biden's state of the union speech. he said something that's the lensky echoed on social media, which is that we are holding back. the russian advance is because of our aid for ukraine by insane because of the weapons were pouring and we're keeping russia from over running europe is basically what the prison united states has said. zelinski echoed the same thing. so clearly that's a talking point. we're holding back those russians. we're saving europe from the russian advance. when in reality, if you look at the, the, the, the data from the united nations and other groups. this is the lowest amount of civilian casualties in a conflict of this scale in the modern era. so clearly from the beginning,
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it's kind of obvious, although western is don't want to hear this, but russia has been meticulous in avoiding civilian casualties. has this what they consider slow progress. meanwhile, ukraine, nato, backed by nato, had been staging provocations, further and further into russian territory and hitting all sorts of different targets. so they're not holding back to russian advance. russia is merely being very careful. women take us in their position, but they're doing everything possible from the nato and you create a new perspective to provoke russia, to and to advance it further into ukraine. so a lot of this is propaganda. a lot of this is agitation, propaganda, or agit prompt, which really that's what key of is doing now on social media. and this is backed up by the same talking points and watch it. well, that's all they have now we're talking points or i'm, i'm glad patrick brought that up because the where the front is right now. that's where ethnic russians live. rush has every reason to see the protection of civilian
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life. there however, there's always casualties in more. you know, re what, if it's something that you and i have talked about for years, is it, you know, when we look at ukraine, we look at the, the tragedy in, in gaza. these are a lead agendas. okay? because you know, the positive united states, if you had any forwarded to it, and honesty, integrity, just get on the phone and say, knock it off. okay. they could do that, but this president won't do it. and these 2 conflicts are not popular in the sense of what the population, these wars are a meat driven. as peter is, the person is heide bound, a hardened audra wrist comes to mind. and you are. the proof is in the pudding. even hardliners like angela stan then fiona hill, admit that in, in april of 2020 to 6 weeks because this thing started,
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there was a deal, know ukraine and nato and would talk about prime and the rest of the stuff later there would be guarantee okay, but no, you great, and they tell okay, well what does that mean? what does that mean? that was the deal. does that mean russian wants to go all the way into poland and the baltic? i and the to the english channel though it does it. so it's admitted even by the ukrainian negotiators, they had this deal, it was about something else was about weakening russia as are in the defense secretary admitted at one point and the rest is realized that so there is an extra bleed going forward. the problem is the wires last for the us and for nato and for, for ukraine. so what's gonna happen next in the election year? no boots on the ground. how else can there it? can the west hope to just to staunch this this advance?
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again, i fear that these nail fights, these eco lives, so bicycles are, you know, we had those are those other weapons, but now we have these little mini notes. well, why don't we, why we try one of those before the election and our show the russian, and we'll probably get to the election and show how we are. that is what i see, you know, right. i mean, they and angela spent in the, on the hill, i'm, i know the article that you're referring in foreign affairs, but you know what, ray? and i say this to my guess and my audience. if we hadn't been taken off of youtube by mean r t i, i, we did a program in real time when the assembled process was going on and we were being told, an initial deal has already been made. i ran down to the studio and said, oh my goodness, you know, and we talked about it. and then because it was never mentioned in western media, a r t as an outlet was ban. nobody heard about it because nobody reported about it had been months. months later, they break it. it is if it's news, okay. all of us,
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they were interested in what was going on there. already knew that. okay. okay, let me go to richard. i'm sorry, speech over everybody. richard. i mean, there's the united states and we've had a focus here on the u. k. they can't admit defeat, can they? they just can't do it. no person. no, because the long term project is global conquest. this was decided that meetings of the council on foreign relations, which of course is a clone of a british chatham house, a back at the beginning of world war 2. it was put in the battle plan for world war 2 and trade offering to the cold war. it became the wolf of his doctrine in 1991. but it became full spectrum dominance in the early 2, thousands under under bush and then continuing under obama. and they've never backed off from that. so it's always a flight forward, as the term has been used until the united states steps back and realize just
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a full spectrum dominance is a formula for endless war. uh, nothing will change and they'll keep talking and they'll keep pushing and they'll keep seeking a new battlefront and it will go on and on about. and that is what has to stop. that's what the american people must put an end to. well, you know, patrick, the, the, i have said, you know, the longer this, the more the west continues to support ukraine, the smaller ukraine becomes geographically. and it's demographics as well. in the interest of ukraine have really never been mentioned in all of this. it's always the focus has been russia, and that was, you know, uh, the, the predicate of all this was russia, gates and 2016 and donald trump go ahead. patrick. so we eat stilton burke himself was bang on we need to support ukrainian sovereignty, preserve ukrainian sovereignty. you create the tragedy of ukraine is that has been
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stripped of its sovereignty really from if you want to go to, to 2014 and the my done cool from that point forward and, and the introduction of all these anti corruption bureaus on micro managed by washington to cover up real corruption in fact, and so you see the sovereignty, ukraine being eroded to the point now where they are totally subsidized by western funding to run their government to pay their pensions to run their military. this is the most on sovereign state on the planet right now in terms of having control of its own affairs and being able to manage its own economy. the economy shots, the population has floods. they're not coming back, the territory is shrinking. the longer it goes on, the worse it gets, it's time to cut their losses. it's time for everybody to come to the table. but there's some parties that don't want that to happen because guess what? business is just too good if you're in the right point of business. and that's the main problem that we're seeing. you know, re, victor owed about that when i paid
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a trump a visit in tomorrow logo and an interview afterwards the he said the trend, if he becomes present, that one penny more for ukraine. how is the white house, how the american administration and the europeans reacting to that in your mind as well, that would be disaster for the trade, wouldn't it? yeah, that'd be disaster. well, i don't need any of us are gonna cry over that on this program, but keep going. i have no stock and the arms traders. you know, it's hard to understand what trump really do afterward. he says, nato is clearly worried about trump. but nato's folding are part anywhere in the effort to accommodate that as exist over the last 2 weeks for the friendship. and we're going to send some procure now over, and i read your german say, no, you are not, no boats. underground daughter i just bought it. so what is my home trying to do is trying to pay it just as tough as buying. right. okay. and one ukraine moses by
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phone cuz they're on my well no, i was, i was really going quite a bit divided in groups. so it's all be sure. and the theater is going to become very, very tenuous and very, very, very hard to discern as the election comes, comes interview because somebody didn't can't afford to load. so, i mean, john kennedy once said that the important thing is never to give another nuclear power, a choice between humiliating retreat and using noakes. ok, well that's what has come about now with respect to crate that from the russian side, that winning from the american side, they have a choice between the humiliating defeat or using nuclear weapons. and i have no confidence that those people advising bite and binding himself with these harden arteries and there's no rush. i heard rush on my screen. i think i can speak,
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but i would make a sense of what i can shake. i think i can speak for the panel and our viewers. no, i don't think they will make this sensible decision. gentleman, that's all the time we have one, i think my guess in raleigh, washington. and here in moscow. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time we member process the the take a fresh look around. there's a life kaleidoscopic, isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify all confused who really wants a better wills, and is it just as a chosen for you. fractured images presented to this,
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