is your, are connected to it just like you mentioned at the start there take talk is it's parent company is by dance. and also we have a huge company here called 10 cent intense and also is invested in a lot of american companies including universal van d. i mean, these relationships are intertwined. i think uh, cooler heads should prevail. we hope in the senate and this should just be a non starter. now the us legislation seems quite vague, calling pickpocket threats, but not really explaining how, how would that be so vague, like that could setting something so serious as well. i think it's all smoke and mirrors here. i mean, the americas can't beat them. don't join them. approach is not good. if you look at europe, for example, 330000000 plus people live in europe. facebook and youtube are there are the a threat to european security. i mean, some of the servers are sitting in ireland. you know,

so this whole approach is actually more of a censorship, more of a uh, you know, trying to keep the chinese out of their markets. i totally understand when there's competition. there. america goes back to that old book as i said, ban bomb or bully. and in this one, they're going to try to band just like they did with white way. okay. and it's throwing that american consumer back into the stone age. i mean, here we're enjoying 5 g technology in our automobiles on our mobile networks where us is struggling. and once again, it's also in other sectors, even the car sectors and the automotive sectors. they're trying to push, you know, new energy vehicles from not arriving on the shores by a putting them on the tariff list. and now how speak to mike johnson has described fine as america's largest geo political f o. and he said, china use this technology to actively undermine america's economy and security. as soon as ball officials in washington the ring around terms like that quite often.

is there any evidence to back up these all of these claims? i mean, here are a bunch of senators and house committee elected officials, scared of an application that allows uh uh, you know, kids or anyone, uh, family members to make a 32nd dance video. do they really think that the chinese government is really interested in doing, you know, security threats on these videos that actually bring some joy and laughter to people's lives after they've had such, you know, a horrible time in america, in the last few years with massive inflation and homelessness. now, what do you think? the real reason this for the us governmental one to ban take document let's, let's be more specific with this. yeah, i think it's going to come down to, you know, business. uh, they're terrified that china is making inroads. china has now made an application that is reading around the world one and a half 1000000000. so they're thinking,

well, this application is influential. it could potentially show people our, our country here in china, and what that means as well. we have a very uh, you know, i would say the society here, it doesn't worry about the things that americans work. they, they don't worry about homelessness as much as they do in america. i don't see it, especially in the streets here in a city of 32000000 here in china as well as other things. i mean, yes, there are other problems that china does deal with. uh, you know, youth unemployment is one of them. but for most part, people are getting on with their lines are living happy lives here they're moving forward. this is a country that has spread across the world, its influence with the belts and root initiative where america has been left in the cold. and they, they feel very vulnerable right now. okay, well, we have to leave you here. now. i like trip with the 5 of blogger and political analysts. thank you so much for your insight. thank you. that's what that's the

update this hour. have you at least i certainly see you again, but you can't get all the details on archie to come over stories with funding the the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross ok. we're all things are considered. non peter live out . according to joe biden, america's most pressing challenge is the survival of the camp,

resumed his own country's problems are largely secondary. the problem with biting an all those who support the ukraine project is the fact that you crane has already lost the cross. how can you crane? i'm joined by my guess. ray mcgovern in raleigh is a former c. i a analyst in washington. we have richard cook. he is a former us federal policy analyst as well as author of our country that in now and here in moscow we cross the patrick headings and he is the editor and founder of the 21st century wire. alright, jolene cross top roles and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. all right, let me go to you 1st here. i know i live very far away. it may be because of distance. i don't have the great the same amount of focus, but you have a job. i didn't really spend a lot of time on ukraine. it was 1st on the, on the shopping list there. i mean, is that america is most pressing problem right now. after all,

it was the state of the union. the, the speech indicated, not the ukraine, where's the top of the list to preserve the regime? but rather that the democratic party and joe biden, or top of the list reserved the regime. it was quite a shouting match was actually an embarrassment. the best was about ukraine was particularly center call. uh we're gonna, i'm gonna support them. yeah. but we're not going to put the troops on the ground as they're losing, as you already said, peter. so what's gonna happen, what's gonna happen when they lose? sure. will we put troops on the ground? no. when we lose the war or our we can't lose the war and election year and can we? so what are we going to do? that's the problem. i fear that there's a chance that these don't these people who are advising bite and might tell them, look, a little mini, no go would do the trick to show the russians were really,

really serious here and preserved this situation until november. and that's of course, all they care about november is to target. well i, i, unfortunately, i couldn't agree with you more. they are in panic mode right now. and when you panic, you have bad decision making. you know, richard, this whole issue about $61000000000.00. i call it magic money. okay. it, because it's supposed to perform magic. there is no evidence whatsoever that kind of money or even more that will change the current status of the battlefield. but nonetheless, they want to do it is a money laundering operation. now, richard, there is nothing new about us finance here is getting rich from the depths of their fellow human beings and the destruction of nations. me for just, i'm a historian. if you go back to world war one,

it was the u. s. banks lending money to britain in france. that finance the allies and enrolled were one. most of this money came back to the united states to american weapons manufacturers. the same thing happened in world war 2 with the land lease programs. and on it goes, uh, every wars it to us is full on his end to the back in the accounts of the us banks in the us weapons manufacturers. uh, so one of the things that the politicians are using to sell us on the $60000000000.00 additional money to ukraine is that 50 percent of this will come back to us weapons manufacturers. and of course, what they're telling us is that, well, this is going to create new jobs, and this not going to do that. uh, the assembly lines will keep running,

creating new incredibly expensive weapons to take years to see through the pipeline . but in the meantime, the big companies that own these manufacturers or the headphones like black rock or state street or vanguard. uh, these companies are also engaged in something called stock buybacks, where the company itself buys just stock. it removed it from the market. and that's been a legal since it was uh uh, declared illegal under the reagan administration or going way back so. so to 0. so richard, what you're saying is, it's, it's what you're saying, which is good work if you can get it. that's what it's sounds like it to me. okay, but i'll just tell them it's a scale. it's a racket. patrick, it's already been a ray already mentioned about the boots on the ground. that's always a very interesting thing. we've had a flurry of european leaders totally embarrass themselves over the last 2 weeks. so

who has drugs there who doesn't have to observe the contradicting each other left, right and centre, spelt and berg. the general secretary of ne, of nato essentially now says yes, all this started because because of nato expansion, but can't seem to get their story straight. patrick, show their panicking. they can't get the narrative straight microns sort of through a warbler by saying that, well, we maybe need to deploy unilaterally with our baltic partners. and that caused panic at nato. h. q, and stilton burg, immediately trying to walk it back. totally insisting that we are not directly involved. we are not a party to this conflict. nato has never been a party is not, and never will be a party to the comfort. of course, they're a party to the all right, patrick, let me, how let me interrupt, you mean to interrupt you, since you mentioned the secretary general there, let me, let me read the quote here. this is in the last new cycle. nato has no plans to send troops to ukraine and nato's. not part of the to the conflict,

nor our nato allies. well in the same news, i go on still talking to you, patrick, in the same new cycle we have. uh, paul, what's your facial saying? oh yeah, there are they go troops in ukraine? i mean, they think this is turning into a circus. it's has an embarrassment here. keep going, patrick. so what, what, what's happening is if they'll say whatever they need to say to each other, to europeans, to each other or nato members to each other. they're in their own sort of world, which is completely detached from the realities on the ground in ukraine, especially. the reality is there have been special forces from nato member states navy seals, british s a. s s, a special boat service, s b s. other countries, french have had legion, their troops on the ground there at various points is conflict. there's us trainers, they're operating highmore as patriot missile batteries of all of these advisors and so forth. so of course they have boots on the ground, but they're not officially doing it so therefore, according to them to each other,

they're ok. they can absolve themselves of any directory involvement in the conflict. of course, we know that's ridiculous. yes. so, but this is where we're at right now. right. you know, we have, it's been and mentioned that they could have official trainers there, you know, under and nato flag or nations flags under the assumptions. the russians wouldn't dare. i think that's pretty flawed thinking re, well, i think that the food chain has made it very clear. the 3rd troops sent in there. they will probably die. it's very clear that the russians are drawing a red line here who change even uses state as a nation address to say, look, uh this is, this is it. we're not gonna tolerate that. please, please remember, please. we have nuclear weapons and actually we have more sophisticated nuclear capabilities and then you all have. so don't you get that though to understand that

. so this is serious stuff and started back there and i remember back in september, september 7th, it was nice talking to the e u r lemma. it says all is is your know 14 so doors. yeah, here's the agreement. so, so uh, no toys, either bed and guess what or have friends and we have a square in oh, look what happened here. you said there's, oh, sure, the expense we rejected that. and he said this would be a precondition to and bathing ukraine. but we said, nose eyes, no dice. so you know, i call them dulcie newburgh, but a lot of my adult friends don't, don't agree with that. they're, they're embarrassed. so you have don't burger and you have people like fiona hill with a quite remarkable record of saying, well, you know,

are they want to kick us out of europe then? and new york times. and here shell saying, uh and don't let the door hit you on the way on the way out there. you know, well, gimme a break. there's no indication whatsoever. and the russian troops are prepared or even want to, why would they want to punch or move for you put your me, i would rate, you know, they go to richard here. i mean, we've heard this again. we have to fight them over there. so we don't have to fight them here, richard, it's a pretty hollow argument right now. because if we look at the lineage of this complex here re, um, i'll put it very well. i mean, the, the, the russians, they gave them an offer him and they refused to do it. they refused to, even they could of the, the, what the russians propose before the special military operation is still offer to, they still refused to accept it. richard, well again, let's look at the historical perspective and i want to go back and refer to by the speech it you brought up initially,

theater. to me it was an example of something right out of the 1984. and that was the to manage hate a bite and bin is delusional, as he is. and his speech writers seem to think that all i need to do is mention russia and put in the american masses or didn't get a march in lock step to approve of these tens of billions of dollars going to a fascist government to, to us installed in keels in in 2014 a but again, along the lines of the historical perspective, this is something that i put a lot of work into in my, in my, in my book. the idea of we must fight them over there to avoid fighting. here is absolute folder nonsense. it's a lie. in fact,

a war in ukraine is the result. as i think many commentators have pointed out of the aggressive eastward expansion of nato course that's been going on for a very long time. actually, we can go back to please, you know, richard, i can tell you i, i cite exactly the same thing and you know, what happened to me. i was thrown off twitter for 2 years for saying exactly the same as a matter of fact, to my guessing my audience, i was actually paraphrasing brock obama, and now you can say it's okay, it's really quite remarkable here, richard and hold that thought i have to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion. then you can stay with the the spending their juvenile like,

rumors of incredible proportion. only my turn now to the latest on russia's presidential election. well, well, well and please turn it off the welcome back. across the dock were all things are considered. i'm cute little bill to remind you. we're discussing ukraine. the ok, let's go back to richard in washington. unfortunately, had to go to a hard break and i interrupted, you please continue. i think we have to go back to the great game, which was the long term warfare, the british empire was waging against russia. going back into the mid 19th

century. because russia was the center of what of this guy named mckinley or yep, later to make it so you're raising heartland. it's been observed that britain is even more vehement into us today and keeping the war in ukraine going uh, because ever since world war one, the anglo american project for world compromised and there is a project, is dependent on the us for the military muscle to back the imperial plan that britain still sees itself is heading up. and i think that's really what we're looking at. uh, ukraine has been identified as kind of the key to control of the your ration heartland. they tried to break up russia in the 19 ninety's. it's fail because of largely up to becoming the catalyst for a russian resurgence. and that's what they're fighting against. they're fighting to

break up pressure and to gain control of the ration heartland for the anglo american empire. well it continues the same richard because self and bird talks about you know, as or by john, moldova, and on are these, these people have griffin den patients? the problem is they get, they fail every step of the way. patrick, i noticed that you were nodding your head when richard was speaking. what, why, what do you agree? this is absolutely correct. i mean, is, this is great game 2 point. oh, you know, i think the animates between britain historically and russia certainly for some reason that plays a part in all of this. but what right now, i think the important thing to look at is looking at biden's state of the union speech. he said something that's the lensky echoed on social media, which is that we are holding back. the russian advance is because of our aid for ukraine by insane because of the weapons were pouring and we're keeping russia from over running europe. this is basically what the prison united states has said.

zelinski echoed the same thing. so clearly that's a talking point. we're holding back those russians. we're saving europe from the russian advance. when in reality, if you look at the, the, the, the data from the united nations and other groups, this is the lowest amount of civilian casualties in a conflict of this scale in the modern era. so clearly from the beginning, it's kind of obvious, although western is don't want to hear this, but russia has been meticulous in avoiding civilian casualties. hence this what they consider slow progress. meanwhile, ukraine, nato, backed by nato, had been staging provocations, further and further into russian territory. and having all sorts of different targets, so they're not holding back the russian advance. russia is merely being very careful and meticulous in their position, but they're doing everything possible from the nato and ukraine. me perspective, to provoke russia to it, to advance it further into ukraine. so a lot of this is propaganda. a lot of this is agitation, propaganda, or agit prompt,

which really that's what key of is doing now on social media in this is backed up by the same talking points and watch it. well that's all they have now we're talking points are, i'm glad patrick brought that up because the where the front is right now. that's where ethnic russians live. rush has every reason to see the protection of civilian life. there however, there's always uh, casualties in more. you know, re what, is it something that you and i have talked about for years? is it, you know, when we look at ukraine, we look at the, the tragedy in, in gaza. these are a lead agendas. okay? because, you know, the president, the united states, if you had any forwarded to an honesty, integrity, just get on the phone and say, knock it off. okay. they could do that, but this president won't do it. and these 2 conflicts are not popular in the, in the sense of what the population, these wars are a leak driven. as peter is the person is hide bound

a hardened audra wrist comes to mind. and you are, the proof is in the pudding. even hardliners like angelo stand, then fiona hill, admit that in the, in april of 2020 to 6 weeks because this thing started, there was a deal, know ukraine and nato and would talk about prime a and the rest of the stuff later there would be guarantee, okay, but no, you great, and they tell, okay, well what does that mean? what does that mean? that was the deal. does that mean russian wants to go all the way into poland and that was the guy and the to the english channel? no, it's us it. so it's admitted even by the ukrainian negotiators, they had this deal. it was about something else was about weakening russia as are in the defense secretary admitted at one point and the rest is realized that so

there is an extra bleed going forward. the problem is the wires last for the us and for nato and for, for ukraine. so what's gonna happen next in the election year? no boots on the ground. how else can there it? can the west hope to just to staunch this this advance? again, i fear that these nail fights, these acolytes of bicycles are, you know, we had those are those other weapons. but now we have these little, many know, well why don't we, why we try one of those before the election and our show the russian. and we'll probably get to the election and show how tough we are. that is what i see, you know, right? i mean, they and angela spent in the, on the hill i'm, i know the article that you're referring in foreign affairs. but you know what, ray, and i say this to my guess in my audience, if we hadn't been taken off of youtube by mean r t i, i, we did a program in real time when the assembled process was going on. and we were being

told, an initial deal has already been made. i ran down to the studio and said, oh my goodness, you know, and we talked about it. and then because it was never mentioned in western media, a r t as an outlet was ban, nobody heard about it because nobody reported about it had been months, months later, they break it. it is if it's news, okay. all of us, they were interested in what was going on there. already knew that. okay. okay, let me go to richard, i'm sorry, speech over everybody. richard. i mean, there's the united states and we've had a focus here on the u. k. they can't admit defeat. can they, they just can't do it. no. no, because the long term project is global conquest. this was decided that meetings of the council on foreign relations, which of course has a clone of a british chatham house, a back at the beginning of world war 2. it was put in the battle plan for world war

2 and carried over into the cold war. it became the wolf of his doctrine in 1991. but it became full spectrum dominance in the early 2, thousands under under bush and then continuing under obama. and they've never backed off from that. so it's always a flight forward, as the term has been used until the united states steps back and realize just a full spectrum dominance is a formula for endless war. uh, nothing will change and they'll keep okay and they'll keep pushing and they'll keep seeking a new battlefront and it will go on and on about. and that is what has to stop. that's what the american people must put an end to. well, you know, patrick, the, the, i have said, you know, the longer this, the more the west continues to support ukraine, the smaller ukraine becomes geographically. and it's demographics as well. it is the interest of ukraine and really never been mentioned in all of this. it's always

the focus has been russia, and that was, you know, uh, the, the predicate of all this was russia, gates and 2016 and donald trump go ahead. patrick. so we eat stilton burke himself with his bang on we need to support ukrainian sovereignty, preserve ukrainian sovereignty. you create the tragedy of ukraine is that has been stripped of its sovereignty really from if you want to go to, to 2014 and the, my don cool from that point forward in the introduction of all these anti corruption bureaus or micro managed by washington to cover up real corruption in fact and so you see the sovereignty, ukraine being eroded to the point now where they're totally subsidized by western funding to run their government to pay their pensions to run their military. this is the most on sovereign state on the planet, right? now, in terms of having control of its own affairs and being able to manage its own economy, the economy shots, the population has floods,

they're not coming back. the territory is shrinking. the longer it goes on the worse it gets its time to cut their losses. it's time for everybody to come to the table, but there's some parties that don't want that to happen because guess what? business is just too good if you're in the right point of business. and that's the main problem that we're seeing. you know, re, victor owed about that when i paid a trump a visit in tomorrow logo and an interview afterwards the he said the trim if he becomes present, that one penny more for ukraine. how is the white house, how the american administration and the europeans reacting to that in your mind as well, that would be disaster for the i'm straight, wouldn't that? yeah, that'd be disaster. well, i don't need any of us are gonna cry over that on this program. but keep going, i have no stock and the arms traders. you know, it's hard to understand what trump really do after what he says. nato is clearly worried about trump. but nato's falling apart anyway, leopard,

the comedy that has exist over the last 2 weeks for the friendship. and we're going to send some pro sure. now over not ready. you for your german say, no, you are not, no boats. underground daughter, i just bought it. so what is my home trying to do is trying to pay it just as tough as buying. right. okay. and one ukraine moses by phone cuz they're on my well no, i was, i was really going quite a bit divided in groups. so it's all be sure, and the theater is going to become very, very tenuous and very, very, very hard to discern as the election comes, comes interview because somebody didn't can't afford to load. so, i mean, john kennedy once said that the important thing is never to give another nuclear power, a choice between humiliating retreat and using noakes. ok, well that's what has come about now with respect to crate that from the russian

side, that winning from the american side, they have a choice between the humiliating defeat or using nuclear weapons. and i have no confidence that those people advising bite and binding himself with these harden arteries. and there's no shy head rush on my sprig. i think i can speak, but i would make a sense of what i can shake. i think i can speak for the panel and our viewers. no, i don't think they will make the sensible decision. gentleman, that's all the time we have one, i think my guess in raleigh, washington. and here in moscow. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time we member crossed off the

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