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[000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross ok. we're all things are considered. i'm theater level. as the desk told mounts and starvation occurs. the binding administration has made it clear repeatedly that there are no red lines for israel. no red lines means a green light to continue. genocide, genocide is official of washington policy, the cross hockey in palestine. i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he's a legal and media analyst and had told we have jo loria is the editor in chief of consort him news dot com. and you know, soccer, we crossed his i'll talk a hockey. he is a former deputy head of the office of the un human rights agency in occupied palestine. alright, gentlemen, cross talk roles and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always

appreciate, let me go to jo 1st here you're a one of our premier media guys. i see that there is a real it version to the g word in american media. now granted, ever since october 7th, we've seen more footage on mainstream american media. nothing like other alternative media. it's very sanitized with big they said really uncomfortable, bernie sanders. i'm really uncomfortable with that work. why should they be uncomfortable with it? that's what it is. i mean, if, if it isn't genocide, what is it joe love to be if they're being honest with themselves, of course, that's what they would call it, but they aren't even after the international court of justice rule that it is plausible that israel's committing genocide. i mean that had to report that, but in a way that the left a lot of doubt that it's really genocide. i mean, you know, it, when you see it, this is clear. we had 1st i shot away. i've can sort of news as the editor from using that word for

a couple of weeks and then it became so obvious that we we were using it because that is what it is. and of course, it's protecting its cover for us politicians, which as you said in the opening, peter are green lighting this genocide and why are they doing that? is the big question. i'm really not sure, except that there's huge amounts of money that go to american politicians. and there's very little israel actually does for the united states. and it's interest. aside from that, aside from the actual driver, if we can call it that, of the american officials to continue their support bite and said to you that you cannot attack or offer because 1500000 refugees, they are living out in the open. but that's my red line, but whatever, if they do it, no matter what, i'm with israel, i mean, it's just absurd. what's going on? and i have to say his idea of a peer, which they're starting to build is $1800.00 foot. i'm sorry about mile long cars way is a e will send

a gold spent to get them elected cuz he knows that his own party is opposing his policy on gods, or they want a ceasefire. 70 percent of democrats and to reach people want to see strike is losing this election. so he wants to be able to continue to support agenda. so making it look like he's doing something to help the people of causative. and no one should believe that at all for a moment. yeah. dropping maybe made food and bomb simultaneously and get your head around that. so let me go to you and i want to go to towards your expertise, you know occupied palestine. well, what's the purpose of human rights and international law now? i mean, it's the west, the what likes to take credit for inventing it and, and, and shaming other countries into and forcing it with the west now is completely turned its back on it. so what's worth? yeah, well i'm asking myself the same thing every day. unfortunately, i kinda wonder what i've committed my entire career to but look, i mean, i think what's happening now is like you just said, i mean the double standards and some progress of the west when it comes to human

rights and international law. in general. this has just been exposed is so blatantly so clearly that it's just got unacceptable for the populace of not only, not only for the populace pretty much the entire world, but also for a lot of the governments outside of the west. you know, what it's, i mean is just the, we just think of the ukraine for example. i mean, if you just read the western mainstream corporate media, you know, you get the sense that the entire world is together. you know, they're lined up together with us against the russians, etc, etc. but when you look at a new york to just look at a map of the world of the countries that are really, you know, imposing sanctions on russia. and it's very few. it really is only the west and a couple of others. so, you know, it's, it's the, it's the same kind of thing. you know, the, the, the hypocrisy and double standards are just so blatant and so obvious that the, you know, the people of the world are just sick of it. they've had enough. and you know,

the social media and the other kind of the video clips and the pictures that we've seen coming from palestine vision is expose everything even more. you know, it's impossible now for a, for the united states, for the west to hide what's been going on. it really is just, it really is, it's a sensual, it's, it's a, it's a fit. i mean, it's a terrible situation, a situation where really the whole, the whole idea of international law, the whole idea of international norms that everybody must provide bucks are really being put into question. and it's, you know, it's nobody's fault except the, the us is and the west. absolutely. right. you know, line on the, you know, we're more or less on this program the same age. and, but it's always been kind of intuitive, but particularly in the west than united states. the israel's, and exception. and you know, they, there's a lot of great explanation for that. just, you know, they are different, okay. but they can be when, with the stakes are so high here, like, you know,

all of us taking a gentleman. if i were to use a new term, for example, instead of saying or, well, even, just stop in double speak. it, we, we, we have this new speak which i'm trying to come up with the word. and as you know, peter on live from the 1st ball, which is here and in the west. but let me explain to you the, the intellectual kata, if you will. that's done, especially on, on supposedly contributive news platforms and works like this and the guest your, somebody with a conscience or somebody who dares to say the g word. and i said he was follows. number one, you recognize from us as a terrorist organization. here we go to, do you recognize october? the 7th, as adair was that there were 3, this is we don't have the right to defend itself now, and that's it. and with that, no, i mean all, i have a break fluid, but you respond with this, excuse me. do you recognize this or do you believe this particular activity in the part of israel is genocide?

wait a minute and then you say hold it. you just cited the most people, most western folks will cite international organizations to see how boss is terrorism. this is tara zach you once or this other, the fine. you said however, the i c j said there's the word say there's no that doesn't count. yeah. so you pay the particular terms and i will tell you, genocide is the word that many people here in the west. if not all do not understand. we're not asking you to, to use your own version of what it is, cattle, cars, holocaust world, war 2. isn't the definitional operative word in a convention that is be used as apartheid as is that next? i mean as but with lines with line or you're absolutely spot on. right. but in the word i the idea of genocide as well known it. i don't think we can dismiss that,

but putting israel in genocide in the same sentence, that's what bothers people show. you react to that. okay. and then of course the genocide is wrong. but go ahead, joe, as well. the language, the, the language is very clear in the genocide convention i live, i'll just refer to that is about destroying in her. we're in part that's an important part of this that, oh, you don't have to kill everyone. there are even a majority, a part of a national ethic, a racial religious group, and or to make deliberately and so the group conditions of life calculated to bring about it, physical destruction the whole apart. it's anybody to see that that's what's happening cause or now they're not watching. why is it carved out? because the cost of israel has since its founding in 1948, not only practiced slow motion genocide, certainly ethnic cleansing in order to establish the state. but it had based on the guilt of the holocaust because the west did nothing to stop the whole cause to turn away ships of george refugees. there was a norm as

a matter of guilt. there. number one, there was an interest in perhaps having of european colony in our land or the united states. and looking after you already set down with king solid on the shipping with in the sure west canal and made the deal that them us and saw the way, but still live under, which is oil for the us. security guarantees, just saudi arabia. so they really need israel as a aircraft carrier there, as so many people say it is a you as a car. that's questionable. but certainly israel has gotten away with murder. and now with genocide without really try and that's exactly what the american leaders ship a degree in congress, but also by and are doing. and it's really still a mystery to me. why, why they couldn't not she speak out and tell israel to stop despite it needs to pick up the phone. stop this, it would guarantee his election. most likely the democratic party in voters are

going against him. they can't stand what they're saying. address, said peter, before we started the show that you all are humanity is being destroyed here by watching this. it is degrading everyone's humanity and democrats to are seeing this . now. they are seeing young people are out on the street. they blocked the, were on the way to the capital for that state of the union address. and i'm quite broad, actually, to see american people protesting this. they are going to be aware of what's going on. there's some heard that israel has on the american political leadership, it could only come down to the money that they give it it's, it's a, it's called the, it's called corruption. it says peer out now, corruption. so, i mean, another thing that has been revealed and all of this with the assault on god's, the genocide that's being committed is western racism because palestinians just don't rate you know, they're not worth the victims. and when you put that into the context of a whole woke nonsense in the western world, now everything starts to short circuit. so yeah,

i mean look the exist. there's obviously no question about that. i mean policy is just don't count palestinian lives, don't count and, you know, palestinians have been dis humanized into less through the corporate media and through statements of the political lead, you know, over and over and over for decades. now that you know people just, well, you know, you have a lot of people, thousands of people going out on the streets, demonstrating that's a really hardening sign. but certainly within the pull the core doors of power in most of the western countries. it's just, you know, sugar and you get people just shrugged their shoulders and again, you know, it's the double standards. i mean, even if we go back to the whole low cost. um, you know, look, the european powers had been committing genocide in the colonies. you know, yeah, for, for your donkeys years up till that. and the only reason this was like a really big deal was because it took place in your end because the victims sort of looked like us. i mean, at the time, you know, mean many countries, jews,

jewish people were not looked upon or thought treated as white people. but so they look like us and there was a sort of sense of affinity or them being close to us. at least they were closer to us. then you know, black africans or, or other people. so, you know, that's, that's, again, just goes to show the double standards, you know, again i'm, i'm a, i'm an international lawyer. i've spent my entire career in international law, but you know, we have to remember that international law has. it's not racist origins, but it's always been applied and the race is all. so i have to jump in here gentlemen. i have to go to a hard, straight care, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion of house, i'd say,

without using the or the welcome next across software. all things are considered on people about your mind. you were discussing palestine. the okay, let's go back to so the soccer, right? before we went to the break, we were talking about how the west is really revealed. it's a racism towards the world with by not reading palestinians is where the victims continue please. yes, but well, yes. well, definitely, um and you know, i think so, you know, some of the other guests were talking about how is real is treated as treated special treated with kid gloves. and it really is amazing to me. not only how in dc, but also in international for like the when, you know, israel is treated special is somehow there's this idea that we have to be really

careful when we're talking about israel. because the only way we're going to get them to do the right thing is if we show them that we're not, you know, biased against them, that we're not inherently against them. and you have to treat them with kid gloves . and you see this with a lot of the statements that some you with agencies have been putting out since october. you know, i'm not to criticize against that particular person or the like, but it, some of the same is you that you have to go again. you know, treating god what's happening and gods are completely like a humanitarian issue. and talking about, you know, gardens dying guys in starving to death, cousins, you know, uh dozens being dozens being killed. yes. but without the subject, like you have to. yeah. yeah. pages to the very end to finally find the word is real, but is real, isn't the flick say well it, it? yeah it's, it's always, it's always, it's 10 people died last night and god. so we don't know how they died. we don't know who killed this is there, that they're never given any kind of agency or description here at lydell. it's

just another thing that has happened in spades since october 7th is the throwing around the a word, anti semitism. it doesn't really, it doesn't land the way it used to. it least the way i've been watching and now people dislike are, are, are struggling that off right now. say well you oh we, we had a um you, we had a, a guest one week who talked about metal fatigue. as i said, the term is been used for so often for so long that it's brittle and it doesn't hold anymore. in our country we have races and we have conspiracy theory put an apologist. you name it. i remember one thing. you only get an label if you're what you're saying is correct, you only take flack when you're over the target. yeah. if you have some spaces idea and that has nothing to do with anything, nobody will give you the time of day. but if you hit on an or a by the way, the gentleman i think i, i love the way that we always talk about language and like,

my favorite term now is red line. i thought red line was red like stop sign red, red line. i think these emphasis like a towel x or something, it means something else. it doesn't, it doesn't mean what it means. and also we have a lot of people. and again, remember my, you should have on my car around here view from the 1st ball. if i walked with you 2 times square right now, is it, tell me the difference between judaism, jewish is real zionism. zion is, they will look at you and they'll say, i know they're connected. and i know that i stay away from that. it's almost like, uh, like a radioactive kryptonite. i just don't go there. and also this past we, we had the academy awards. they're focusing in on a particular lapel pin or something which dealt with, sees fire or something. and again, even the left, the trays its own by say, there they go again, excuse me, you are they,

if they were to say something about some transgender appreciation, that will be fine. but all of a sudden, this, this way of thinking is despotic and lunacy. if they were to ever beer from the accepted reason to either stay away from the subject, don't bring it up, or be very careful lest you, especially when, by the way, jude and his re lease and n o r are called anti semitic weight, which i think is the greatest of them all in terms of, of, of, of the idiocy a, you know, you know, a, jo, what, you know, they, the, the powers that be the neo liberal order. they, they really liked to pick on the word populace populous laugh populist. right? well, i throw it right back at them, they're the authoritarian populace. you know what you, the line will just described it right there. and that is the poverty of this situation for a lot of us here is because language has been intentionally confusing. ok. lionel already mentioned, you israel zionism, jews, okay, z as out somehow they're all kind of,

they're all very different actually. okay. and then we should be open about it, okay. and, and, and, and proclaim it. and this is what you know. so many people are hesitating to do that. not yourself, not ourselves here, but there still that, that fear, but by it's like a start with my question. the, the, the term anti semitism doesn't land the way it used to do, particularly when you're talking to american jews, european jews that are against this genocide. joe. now that's the most extraordinary thing. maybe about this entire event that we're going through is that it's no longer tab moved to save the kinds of things you use to say. and i think more and more people understanding that there's a huge difference trained judaism and zionism. you don't have to be a jew to be a design, is joe biden. a said themselves, but rich occasions. what does that tell you? is i ism, is a secular political movement. it's nothing to do. they at the old drunk is that the designs are a think us, we think god gave them the promise land. so they're using judaism in that way. but

they're not going by the values of judaism and many jews are saying that now i i if there's a slot in any others, it's that it's no longer a tab o to criticize with israel's doing more and more people in the west are seeing that now i'm up here in south yorkshire, the good because of the collaboration of the miners strike a 40 years ago in art. the scarborough, the head of the mine is really gave a speech and he started with a 5 minute a track on israel for being genocidal. and fascist and supporting the gardens and these miners were on the bus older lives since 40 years slow standing and sharing the people advert working people understand what's going on now and is real, can't hide behind that anymore. and i think politicians are going to stop losing elections because of their support for just the complicity with genocide. they are officials like lloyd austin, going into a congressional hearing and put co pink. is there him a judge side attack? this is extraordinary. seems that we're seeing if they, if they have any confidence left, any of these wisdom lead,

they know that what they're doing is the worst thing they've ever done in their lives. yes, i got a politically felt and yet they will move. they won't stop it by the pit, stop or from one way or another for millions of people. genocide is on the ballot. if they like it or not, it's there. that's just, you know, that's, that's a game changer. okay. that's a people will not participate. so what is another thing? you know, it's already been mentioned a little bit here, but you know, zine ism is a nationalist, it's s no nationalism. it's no, okay. i thought i thought the west didn't like that. i wasn't the isn't f know nationalism wrong, co. it does it, it's not wrong if it's a new crane or israel. okay. we got our, we got our ducks lined up here. go ahead. so yeah, well like you say, i mean it's just a double standards. once again. i think good joe, that joe, you were thinking of it was that 70 percent of this really is don't believe in god, but you know, they do believe that god promised them pa this time. but yeah, i mean the, it, it is. that's what is real is it's an f no credit project. it's

a similar colonial project that is based on genocide. the entire goal has always been from the get go, the stealing a palestinian. what and the driving the palestinians out from that land and, and you know, the colonization of that land, that is all, that's always been very, very clear and stated very clearly by the by design is from the very early days to the current is really government. you know, at the time, late 19th century, this wasn't like dirty work, these weren't dirty words, you know, colonization and, and, and like that. and so they were as no racial though they were aspirational words. yes. exactly. and they had no compunctions about sort of, you know, treating the, you know, describing the palestinians is basically savages that should be, that would be grateful for western civilization. and if they weren't, well, we'd just, you know, we killed them all, or we just try them out. that was the whole idea. so, you know, this is all really connected with western imperialism. and that's why, like you say, it's not a bad thing. it's a bad thing if these really is do it,

or if, if the gradient sooner, if our allies do it, you know, then it's perfectly fine. you know, line or how is it in, in your environs? how is the jewish community responding to all of this? here to talk about the divisions, talk about what the discourse and i, i certainly can't speak for them, but there is a, there is a kind of a kind of a tacit agreement without going too much into their specifics if that makes. and he says, you know, peter, whatever you, when i speak, we always go back to our generation and i'm going to throw a, a, were a name out for you that maybe where do you only want what you might know she little further. now, during the academy awards one year way marlon, brando, i remember i remember i as the right women are also vanessa redgrave and we spoke about zion is all right, but she little feather was this by the way, towards out later, she might not have been a native american but anyway,

she showed up and she accepted or refused to be accepted because of the treatment of the native americans or the indians. and the hollywood was very sensitive. they didn't do anything, but they said, you know, you're right. the way we portray native americans and they really cared about it. okay. jump to today. if says she and little feather had come out if she had the wrong lapel button button. so basically the same thing, don't forget, we are the only country in the world that came here and thought that we discovered a country that was already inhabited other people, this is the era good. so we, we are very, very topical we, we love, we're very faddish with our sensibilities. we recognise here this is terrible. but when it comes to this particular thing, let me just give you this very simple statement. the middle east in particular, and this is real, a balancing, you're somebody that americans don't understand. they are in a fight for their lives. and we just had best kind of stay out,

support them and go on with their other things because they know best and was just we have an election coming up and nothing to see here. children move on like yet, but the problem, but the problem leveling key. yes. the oh and miss a little further. she that she ended up in playboy magazine. i didn't really member of the issue, but i do not even to use. i still remember. okay, joe, it's good that we talk about genocide make people feel on comfortable about the word. and that's how and that's why i'm very forceful in using and you've got to react. you cannot be indifferent, joe. you know, you can't, this is a referendum on who you are, a human being basically how you see this event let alone the politicians. you know, they're about native americans have entity, perfect parallel or what's going on in palestine right now. it's been going on since the 19 thirty's, but certainly since 1948, the gradual destruction of a people and this stealing of the land is exactly what happened in the united

states. there were people already living there, even if, even if there's rarely say there was no one there that was a thriving culture there. and this parallel is perfect to understand, which is probably why american leaders who don't acknowledge, who was a genocide of native americans are supporting this genocide, is a true genocide. and the 2 countries that are participating them are joining together in a way that again, i don't fully understand why, but they're going to pay a price as they're continuously seeing that this that they are support. as of clearly a genocide, i expect i c j will eventually will that this modeling genocide. but it will be too late, of course, because it will be done, but i'm going to be of the statements have been made about the possibility of it that sticks. and that has a store of gentlemen. we've run out of time on a think my guess in new york had build and handle socket. and i want to thank our viewers for watching the csr t. see you next time. remember,

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i put in the best one today and but too much to left off that one. so that's what it is that you want to set. i'm sure those are pretty sure can was on page do to for issues came, those are best do what i mean. there's a, there's a problem the to possess, your country they want to possess your, you around noon they want to possess here a guess they want to at least share why, you know, it's, it was good for them because he was just opening all the doors. but the problem with them is they do not understand that the characteristics of people who they are dealing with as much as you press the bear bear will come out. the problem is going to be how to put the bear back to his face.

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