so time, so for the same thought of the home last, i saw america about the will take no action against us troops. meanwhile, the seasons and military cooperation with the us has been welcomed by locals, will have been seen burning us flags. the united states officially designate at the military takeover and me, sir, as a poll in october of last year, limited in its supports to the nation, the most the price of the military to reinstate the post president mohammed presume . but the spots with washington comes amidst wider attempts by new journal forties to cut ties with former colonial powers in december of the military. and that relations with france and expelled french troops from the country. the country's military lead us also covered very vocal about moving away from the west and last month these are with neighboring molly and for keen, a fossil decided to leave the course and viewed their own corporation law. so you'll be using archie, board job my to a well, this is all the international life from moscow, but currently standing by the comments from the russian president in the wake of

last night, terrorist attack don't go far away, but many more details often coming here on the of the doing the united states issues related to crane are very, very clear cut. russia is bad. ukraine is good, period. urban legends become fact, even after the mother investigation found that there was no evidence whatsoever of russian involvement in the 2016 american election. the allegation continued to take on a life of it's own. the russians somehow hacked into the election and gave us donald trump. it's not true, of course, but the truth doesn't really matter after a while. and so ukraine, which the united nation says is one of the most corrupt countries in the world,

continues to be the recipient of billions of dollars and usa, russia, russians, and the people who support russia are placed under sanctions. and the international community is polarized at dinner one night, recently i actually had an attorney for the democratic national committee telling me that she believed in her hearts. that when donald trump was president, his 1st act every morning was to call president me to receive his orders for the day. that's how ridiculous things have become here. i'm john kerry onto welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 2 2 former egyptian president, demo of the nicer one said quote, the thing about you americans is that you never make clear cut stupid decisions. you only make complicated stupid decisions which make us wonder if there is

something to them, which we are missing on quote. i can tell you that after 20 years in the c, i a, and on the staff of the senate foreign relations committee that nasser was right. it's a normal part of business for a stupid decision to be made for everyone in the room to then not an agreement. and then for everyone to double down e and when they recognized that the decision was stupid in the 1st place. welcome to the american foreign policy establishment. our guest today is a former ukranian diplomat who made several mistakes by us standards. he was pro russia. he worked with rudy giuliani and he tried to raise awareness of 100 biden's business dealings in ukraine. andre television go eventually found himself sanctioned by the us treasury department. he had his us visa revoked, and he was placed on the no fly list. he joins us today under intelligent go welcome to the show. thank you for having me out of the show. it's a great honor to use here, john andre, you made a career as

a ukrainian diplomat. you had success in your field. you made high level contacts in the united states, and then you went into business for yourself. when did that begin to turn for you? and why, yeah, it was a long term, long history of my job, going to print a government. i was a advisor to the 1st. i prefer mr. refrain or wishing you printing intelligence. you print military spot for some agency, the advisor to the prostate general refrain. i barely printed from ivan all my field was involved with international relations in contact with the us government and government that you saw in investors. did you sometime since throughout the last 15 years? so my 3 years before i began long before i became officially diplomat. and i went through this whole past, see what, how the us was developing its politics and ukraine. my own country. i saw from

basically from the beginning before my job to a 1014, after my job after the to and how it all implemented and how it all laid out the, the loss of sovereignty was in my eyes to my country. it's how we law, how would we get to that every day by day? and then i understood for myself, this is not the path that i was like, i'm sure to develop. it's not the path of a sovereign country. i'm an independent function as the all for planning the training to be or democratic of this, the past of a proxy country, public country. and that's when i came out and 1017 with the truth and, and what's quoted and political article, or 2017, about the training and professional use selections at how to use the credit and the are some, let's just say to grow grateful of to 41 candidates on the democratic party and try

to try to destroy the candidates and the other side possibly was coming up with the real story. it's not, no evidence of the facts, but false evidence, false stories. the story presidents had under donald trump with that time to i have to ask you, are you a russian agent? are you trying to disrupt american elections and to infiltrate the american government? i am not a, what is it agents? i wish i was somebody's agent because of the sort of have some support for my family and then what understand what future house but i am doing this for my own good. well, and because i believe that i'm a truthful person. i grew up in the west, i grew up in canada as i was 5 years old. when do you ever seen the lighted states? and i was taught to be a truthful person. god. and this is what my police became basically what i went up against this whole system of us involved with the

trainings elections and the frame politics. and then you press volume and under the guidance of the big state in the us selections. i myself, when i saw this came out and said no, this is not well and it was supposed to be, this is not what a come she has to be going through. it has to make its own decisions because such decisions do to for case there's an interaction into some of these elections that the century will have a bad reputation of that future. so i myself, on my own and this i got sanction boston sanctioned by the us treasury department, but pollution and i, i got thrown on the bus. so i'm on my, on my own on this. i have to see. i had to see you crazy because i was put on the show list. unlimited floors as of june was when the war started, i could sanctioned by my own government. the printer, one of the ship was the last, the machine was not everybody know. and i had to flee abroad,

not to russia. i had to say abroad to save my life. and that's what i fired for to get my life back. the 2nd i didn't get a job. so i maybe if i wasn't agent, i would be feeling much, much better, much more positive and i have a much better house. and i know that our futures aside from now on friday for my own just each of the person i found the future. and the future of peace in the brain. tell us about your experience with rudy giuliani juliani had taken an early interest in 100 biden's business dealings in ukraine. you had some information about that. tell us about it. oh yeah i oh no major lee. i was looking for me to get in contact with me its since the beginning of the 2019 uh, and she got ahold of me on may of 2019 when i was in washington as even the wednesday to come and see when the new york so this a split altogether for me,

my attraction was uh, manager. yeah. uh my story was long before that when i came out was uh, lee curry, elections volume, and the selections. if i choose uh, which we strive to have spoke about that and uh, we got the story really, really depths with him. and so this is obligating for the 17th. so my story was long for virginia and was looking into what was that going on with dr. barton and i'm actually from staff is i used to work for a doctor, left the market for medic work at the pre embassy. i got invited to work with some sort strategies, a lobby for a company which uh, work closely and it was the moderator for, i'm providing to buy all the business deals. and there was, it was covering it up on the political side. so i got ready to work for go as

a consulting on the training issues, not only pretty, but also eastern europe issues like lot fee and banks. we've worked with people they consulted with. i dealt with other products, they're dealt directly with the owners of blue star character mcdonalds, which is a former deputy chief of staff to both of them. and then she was chief of staff when he was moving to after struggling to see. and then also the solid picture she was invited to the front, so they are at each state. and that's how i was still going through understanding what was going on with the politics, the crane us side and i, which was not only what the district was do, but it was most of the state was working such problems as lew stock, which they now be called at the effect of congress to testify the guy because they testified in the senate hearings in 2020. when i was also called as a witness, somebody evidence was used email somebody's invitation to boost our strategies have national security council members on the bike or use of the summer jobs and start

grass investigation 2020. but they live with a standard form each one. so hopefully this time during congress sealants, they will not lie and be called up to the right questions which will open up what happens afterwards. and they're dealing with dr. biden's and job. i guess the were the ones who were connecting those uh parts together. blue star strategies just for i'm a saw sean, i'm covering everything up the business deals, especially in ukraine and who originally i knew that i was partially involved in working with them and she called me up to your friends to obtain the 20 id. and that's what i gave him by part of the story, by evidence piece of the situation at for 6 hours, we spoke with him in his office in new york, the united states, he, uh, recently recorded me uh for evidence for his uh, investigation. and that's how i got involved with sort of, ju,

i mean i'm going to be asked to help him or any other evidence which has come in to his hands to see if it's legit or not. just because you have thousands of pages, documents starting from ukraine, different government officials and the he did not know which was legit or what for sign or which was he should get involved. and so that was my role to help him unofficially i didn't get paid for that is there's a list of each one of the things that is utterly missed. a fine to me is why it was the trump administration that went after you. you had been identified as a target by the democrats, because you had embarrassed joe biden. when he was vice president with accusations against hunter. why was it that the trump white house finally went after you? it was the last week of the trump presidency. that's one of the sanction you have january 11th, a, it's a $1021.00. so there's, so there's going to be that was the style frame where i got functions for ready, 13 years. and it happens the last week that says because there's so many meanings

of the trump team were involved in this because of these. she worked with a shopping ministration for years and they were covering up sources. we understood, we can remember the story with the master and ukraine and which trump want to fire, one of which and then each state how the block them helps her drive and get a book signing, get them in dollars for publishing and books. and they basically protected her and job her to protect against the person who hired her. he re should a to works for the president i states. but we can see how these states work against trump. and this is the situation here. they protected one person here, great this practice for me, and went after me trying to use the trump and restrictions to do this. compare my national involved. there are other people who are involved in this basically

political destruction of me because they knew that i got too close to the printer, present trump circle, and that i was respected by the circle. i don't want to say that i'm somebody from number water number 2, we're going to treat with us. i'm just a witness to the truth. and that's why i've ever stipend for i've tried to have this situation to have any photographs, president trump and his team, but i understood what happened. i knew the people who were involved in this to, to destroy me. it was the f, b i where people like i'm really are several people who were working with juliani but they. ready cover agents for the f b i, they're the ones that brought their attached to the table to juliani after he got brought in. that's how the story basically went out for russian age. everybody's the rush age of working for giuliani, as people like left partners who got an idea without a shift and got out of jail. the say it especially for free and now they're going

to get strong. so there was a lot of people who betray truck. there's also a single works at each state, and there was a huge project by the f b r to destroy people like me originally on an center jobs as an aggressive labels . and those russians, asians add hiring people the direct action law. so this was a whole team and the whole projects to go after people like me so i don't blame pressure. trump. maybe she knew she did not know this, but for me might have somebody my personal information. but i knew that people who were involved in there were people who are today's the trait present. trump like, like pop here and when and show the real face. where are they working for people like any training or connected to service? i published on twitter a couple of months ago and i like people like to insure it will probably fail to see sort of see and then brought from pay our job. but one of the largest,

almost uh, companies any paying for $220000000.00 a year. so this is the real faces of people who went out from their, their trader should not only the president who they worked for, but also their own culture because they worked. i work in the gosh. andre, thank you and stay with us. we're speaking with former ukrainian diplomat, andre. tell us jenko. we're going to take a short break and when we come back we'll discuss us policy against russia and how it seems to have just swallowed up our guest stay to the. 2 who just don't have to shape out the application and engagement because the trails when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground

the the welcome back to the suppliers. i'm john kerry onto were speaking with former ukrainian diplomat. andre tele shingo, about his experience in the united states and working with senior us officials before they turned on him and banned him from the country. good to have you with us, andre. thanks again. you want to begin this segment by asking you to explain something about your experience. it seems to me that if you were working with rudy giuliani to collect information about 100 biden's business dealings that the trump administration should have embraced you. and afterward, once the contents of the 100 by the laptop became public and 100 biding, took responsibility for the laptops contents that you should have been hailed as a hero. why was it that the trump administration pushed you away and sanctioned you? what was the reasoning behind that?

and did you ever receive any explanation for me that the treasury department or the justice department? i don't believe that i was supposed to be on the 0. i'm just a regular person who did his job and came out with the truth. i don't want any money or any positions or anything else from anybody. i didn't ask for it. i just did my job and i didn't ask race and actually nothing originally i for anybody else spoke to the trump industries. i've done an apology. after all this happened, i will not say to which sources and from room, but i got an apology from a higher level of sources, official. and the happened to me. and i just said from my, from i just, i don't know what, who was the homeless? it was not people who are close to trump today because of people who are this will be tray, trump and like, punched on peo and people. other people who were involved in the situation and does that only because they were involved in us. but also people are from booster

fridays and democratic side were involved with the dc, they were to possibly find on the situation. so my situation here, i'm part of the investigation. i'm just, i'm, i went to school which was a big piece in this process or different sides. strongly crating aside from the passenger side of the brain as being advice across the general or seem to have somebody in the situation. and also working for strategies. people involved with a 100 binding jo fi direct and i know who were involved in who people were going to get seat in the store and me. and it wasn't the person chopper or his cheat. that's one thing. the 2nd of all, you see the people involved. there's to get you from the beginning, from the senate, sorry, from rudy giuliani. sorry. and what's on the department of justice. they did not understand what was against against them was a huge machine working. just protects uh to protect their,

their candidate bite and court supposed to become the president by any means just to have what we have to do and within this world happening. and to continue the politics which were under bama because they needed to stop by this was a bad, isn't our stuff how bad they were just when we decided for i told the finding just shooting machine, which is what i want you to sort of control that ukraine, and they're fighting a guess today as if i believe. so. i think that was their lack of understanding. that was their own big mistake or black person. what was the ghost? and for me today, i understand that the wasn't that since the future was a huge project to this for us, the originally, i mean i'll try to go to our jobs to nebraska and call them was russian ages. and it was a huge scheme and the show for the public not only will access for the world. so

today i understand that it was done directly to disconnect and the rest of the class, the rest of the story, the rest of hope story, which was still on the table. the time is still on the table today. if that's the can connect to the next 10 years or more people to try, it stays at the chinese agency or that it's going to be the new hot topic. but today there was connected to russia, even though the people like me when, whenever russia for the last 5 years or, or we're not remember connected directions to the situation today. we didn't understand that. then some more professionalism, people in that will investigate this topic and punctured by the, the laptop, the, the, the state, the corrections. they just found the, who is if i guess what stories did or not have brought a guess of them in public. but they still have to continue the fight, even though they're going to get destroyed,

they'll have to stop and they have to understand what they're investigating. and in the depths that move down the situation in the future will save us in the public much more time. because i'm really samsung and you get an answer soon and hopefully this answer will be given to us in the public. what happened under obama and joe, by administration? what corruption, there was involvement then of hypothesis appliances of such high level. and why that us is its position today were, and it was being basically thrown out of the global part of the world because of the lack of political will. and interruption is in politics in united states. you should already saw after joe biden became president more than 50 senior, former c i, a officers wrote an open letter in which they said that the 100 by the laptop quote, had all the hallmarks of and was likely a russian intelligence operation. and quote, that of course was an outrageous lie,

and the signatories, frankly made fools of themselves. so with all of this known and with you as witness number one against hunter biden, is that why these actions were taken against you so that you would be silenced? yeah, no problem, we're going to silence and they probably going to the store and they saw the like section because you have stations and starts to be put on by the court. it's me just put on, i was a political decision. local decision by the government, which blocks in my travels through the united states lock sent me on my financial accounts anywhere in the world. i cannot open up a bank account, even though i'm abroad. the last section in the country where i am the cause of a nobody can open the best time because some red flag for the us treasury department of the section person was where the for terrace and other bad guys is an oligarchs. so this situation, they start to break me and put me to my knees and i would stop. but i understood i

had no other choice to do this. if i would stop out of debt to that, i would not be able to leave each. i would not be able to uh, uh, fight and for my family and i so i continue with 5 help as to the help of my friends. and today i'm here where i am, i will still continue the fight. so all those agencies, c a, s a, f, b i, they were working all the gifts before me and we'll take them on the phone with us . so they work together. so there's other people are coming out today from washington. and they are telling their story how to be blocked by the us. and so just me. and i think you know, john, more than anybody else how the story goes through and how, what powers they have to use. it goes to write a personal, comes out and tells the truth. the situation with the data wants the truth to be told, and we saw, but hunter by the laptop is real. we saw that the evidence that was really made up

by any russians or chinese or our teaching is or is really it's made how by hunter, by euros in both the june, with his partner's business partners and his father, the presidency. and i said, joe, bye bye, that's all the vice president. so this all is we, every, all the witnesses are all the system on your id and the evidence. i mean, my condition emails with the national security council job, i'm and boost our strategies are, we'll solve enough oxygenated and we also have to understand this whole intro can use the with, with the letters to sign and they're so coming up with the stores today that i'm a russian agent or somebody else. the russian agent is options after shop. and i always come up and say, i'm ready for them to show a proof to show that i'm a rush of agents. please show the evidence of the public who i am and what i have. they have nothing. i have the senate write letters with us. treasury department has to give proof of surgeon post evidence that he's

a russian agent. they did not even a reply to the united states. so andre, you had your us visa, invalidated. and you are forbidden from flying to the united states. i assume that you have similar problems in and with countries that are allied with the united states. tell us about that experience and about how you make a living now with the u. s. government actively trying to prevent that. i said i have to see my country praying and i, when the war started because of the war, but because of the printer government. so i actually received my plumbers telling me to read print directly imagine television was put in a chose and they did that. this basically wrote on twitter and facebook that i would be shot and killed as being a russian asians. so that's why i have to see brain and the 1st loves up to the war started. so i am a proud right now and then continued to face. i am because of the family and friends i am surviving today. thanks to several, thanks to god. i think because i think if it was for him and people who are around me, i would not be. ready whereas today, as i said,

i will not stop because of the truth on my side. and i know that this investigation is continuing because they found more and more evidence of congress. and hopefully, when there's going to be administrative change in united states. this i would also be brought to public and justice for research, and maybe i got my life back. andre tell us jenko. thank you so much for being with us and best of luck. one of the things that we learned as adults is that life simply isn't fair, but many of us also come to learn that karma is real. and as the reverend doctor martin luther king, one said, the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. i want to thank our guest, andre, tell us you and go for joining us today. and for telling the story. and thanks to our viewers for tuning into another episode of the whistle, blowers, i'm john kerry onto we'll see you next time the.

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