warnings are not issued unless you have some specific intelligence that is considered those 2 things specific. incredible. normally, if you've got really solid information, you don't go public. you go to, in this case, should have gone to the most scale authorities alerted them so that they could then take action to prevent this. when there is a company involved in an alternate, it's a whole stairs. and there was rooms as prompt, see again that opponent providing them with the resources a safe haven training then because. busy if that the, the security focus and strain the resources of russia, in this case, the aim is to undermine the confidence on the government and the sub largest society. and the use of stairs is something that is very common. the nato

has used the stairs in many places, still using them in syria that are out in different other places in iraq. and in i've got this done because it is important for them to show that he's in the city, which will be great to come out already. great. he's not survey. and he's not to the age of really expert in this kind of how stairs to the proxy world that the americans are expert in conduct the and we're getting some of the updates in coming by the minute teradowski international. you can check them as well in real time for the off to the both of the, [000:00:00;00]

the, the doing the united states issues related to crane are very, very clear cuts. russia is bad. ukraine is good period, urban legends become, even after the mother investigation found that there was no evidence whatsoever of russian involvement in the 2016 american election. the allegation continued to take on a life of its own. the russians somehow packed into the election and gave us donald trump. it's not true, of course, but the truth doesn't really matter after a while. and so you crane, which the united nation says is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, continues to be the recipient of billions of dollars and usa, russia, russians. and the people who support russia are placed under sanctions. and the

international community is polarized. at dinner one night recently i actually had an attorney for the democratic national committee telling me that she believed in her hearts. that when donald trump was president, his 1st act every morning was to call president me to receive his orders for the day. that's how ridiculous things have become here. i'm john kerry. uncle. welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 2 2 former egyptian president, demo of the nicer one said quote, the thing about you americans is that you never make clear cut stupid decisions. you only make complicated stupid decisions which make us wonder if there is something to them, which we are missing on quote. i can tell you that after 20 years in the c, i a, and on the staff of the senate foreign relations committee that nasser was right. it's a normal part of business for

a stupid decision to be made for everyone in the room to then not an agreement. and then for everyone to double down, even when they recognized that the decision was stupid in the 1st place. welcome to the american foreign policy establishment. our guest today is a former ukranian diplomat who made several mistakes by us standards. he was pro russia. he worked with rudy giuliani and he tried to raise awareness of 100 biden's business dealings in ukraine. andre television go eventually found himself sanctioned by the us treasury department. he had his us visa revoked, and he was placed on the no fly list. he joins us today. henri, intelligent, a welcome to the show. thank you for having me on the show. it's a great honor to due to your job. andre, you made a career as a ukrainian diplomat. you had success in your field. you made high level contacts in the united states, and then you went into business for yourself. when did that begin to turn for you

and why? yeah, it was a long time, long history of my job going to see the train governments. i was a advisor to the 1st, every farmer's to refrain of wishing you printed intelligence. you print military law enforcement agency, the advisor to the foster general refrain, a very friend of somebody, but all my field was involved with international relations in contact with the us government. community government that you saw in investors do some taxes throughout the last 15 years. so my career, did somebody get me wrong before i became officially diplomat? and i went through this whole past see one, how do use was developing its politics and you've created my own country. i saw from basically from the beginning before my job to of 2014, after my job after the to and how it all implemented and how. busy all laid out the,

the loss of sovereignty. it was in my eyes to my country's how we lost. how would we give it to you every day by day? and then i understood for myself, this is not the path that i will fight puncture to develop this, not the path of a sovereign country. i am an independent function as the offer, plainly printing to be or democratic country. this is a pass of a proxy country, a public country, and that's when i came out and 1017, with the truth in and west quarter, and political article, or 2017, about the training and professional use selections at how to use the the grant and the, or somebody to tell you to grow grateful of supported one candidates on the democratic party and try to try to destroy the candidates. and the other side possibly was coming up with the real story. it's not real evidence of the facts,

but false evidence, false stories to destroy president canada. donald trump, with that to, to i have to ask you, are you a russian agent? are you trying to disrupt american elections and to infiltrate the american government? i am not a what is it agents? i wish i was somebody's agent because of the sort of have some support for my family and what understand what future house but i am doing this for my own good. well, and because i believe that i'm a truthful person. i grew up in the west, i grew up in canada. and so i was 5 years old. when do you ever seen that? i'd states and i was taught to be a truthful person. god. and this is what my police became basically what i went up against this whole system of us involved with the trainings elections and the train politics. and then you press volume and under the guidance of the big state in the us selections. i myself,

when i saw this came out and says, no, this is not well and it was supposed to be, this is not what a come she has to be going through. it has to make its own decisions because such decisions. duplicate, there's been a direction into some of these directions that this country will have a bad reputation of that future. so i myself, on my own and this i've got sanction boston sanctioned by the us treasury department, but pollution and i, i got thrown on the bus. so i'm on my, on my own on this. i have to see i to see you crazy because i was put on the show list. unlimited floors as of june was when the war started, i could sanctioned by my own government. the print on of the project was the last, the machine was not everybody know and i have to flee abroad, not to russia. i had to say abroad to save my life. and that's what i fired for to get my life back. that's i can i just get a job?

so i maybe if i wasn't agent, i will be feeling much, much better, much more positive and i have a much better house. and i know that our future to fight for now on friday for my own just each other person and my family future and the future of peace in the brain. tell us about your experience with rudy giuliani juliani had taken an early interest in 100 biden's business dealings in ukraine. you had some information about that. tell us about it. oh yeah, i oh, no majorly i what was looking for me to get in contact with me since the beginning of the 2019. uh, and she got ahold of me on may have the 2019 when i was in washington. as even when we to come and see you in new york. so this is split altogether from my direction was uh, manager. we got a uh, my story was long before that when i came out was uh, lee curry elections long and we are selections. if i choose uh,

which we strive to have spoke about in depth and uh, we got the story really, really in the depths with him. and so this is obligating for the 17th. so my service long for g, i was looking into what was that going on with dr. barton? and i'm actually from statuses i used to work for a doctor, left the for medic work and the pre embassy. i got invited to work with some sort strategies, a lobby for a company which uh, work closely and what was the model for your, for providing jo by all the business dealings. and there was a, was covering it up on the political side. so i got ready to work for go as a consulting on the training issues, not only print, but also eastern europe issues like lots the and banks, the work with people they consulted with. i dealt with other clients, they're dealt directly with the owners of who star parents from autonomy, which is

a former deputy chief of staff to both person. i'm not sure if chief of staff when he was moving to after starting a seat and then also the solid painters who was invited to the front. so they are the state. and that's how i was still going through understanding what was going on with the politics, the crane us side. and i were just not only what the district was do, but it would most of the state was working such problems as new stock, which they now be called a, which effect congress to testify to get it because they testified in the senate hearings in 2020 when i was also called as a witness, somebody evidence was used email somebody in the future. the blue star strategies have mattress through the council members on the bike or use of the summer jobs and start grass investigation 2020. but they live on windows 102020. so hopefully this time during congress here and still will not lie and be called up to the right

questions which will open up what happens afterwards. and they're dealing with dr. biden's and job. i guess they were the ones who were connecting those uh, parts together. blue star strategies for i'm a sole shine. i'm covering everything up. the business deals, especially in ukraine. and originally i knew that i was personally involved in working with them and she called me up to your friends what they meant 2019. and that's what i p as in my part of the story. but i would just use them the situation at the for 6 hours. we spoke with him in his office in new york. that's the united states. he uh, basically reported me, it's $4.00 for his uh, investigation. that's how i got involved with sort of, ju, i mean i'm going to be asked to, to help him or any other evidence which would come in to his has to see if it's legit or not. so just because you have thousands of pages of documents on from ukraine,

different government officials and the he did not know which was subject or what the 1st law or which was he should get involved. and so that was my role to help him unofficially. i didn't get paid for that, and there's a list of each. one of the things that is utterly mystifying to me is why it was the trump administration that went after you. you hadn't been identified as a target by the democrats, because you had embarrassed joe biden. when he was vice president with accusations against hunter. why was it that the trump white house finally went after you? it was the last piece of the trump presidency. that's why i'm the sanction of january 11th, 2021. so. ready silver is going to be that was the style frame where i got sanctions for ready, 13 years and it, what happens is the last week i think because of so many meanings of the trauma scene were involved in this because these she worked with under the shopping

ministration for years and they were covering up sources. we understood, we can remember the story with a master and ukraine and which trump wants to fire your volume image. and then each state how the block and helps her drive and get a book. signing got a $1000000.00 for publishing and books, and they basically protected her and jot her to protect against the person who was hired. or he researcher works for the president i states. but we come in and see how the beach take work and gums, trump, and this is the same situation here. they protected one person here, the distractions for me, and went after me, try to use the trump and restrictions to do this. compare my initial involved. there are other people who are involved in this basically political, the destruction of me because they knew that i got to close to the front of present

trump circle. and that i was respected by the circle. i don't want to say that i'm somebody number water number 2 and a retreat witness. i'm just a witness to the truth. that's why i've ever stipend for i've been try to have this situation to have any photographs. president trump and his team, but i understood what happened. i knew the people who were involved in this to, to destroy me was asked the i are people like, i'm pretty, are several people who were working with giuliani, but they were cover agents for the f b i. they're the ones that brought their attached to the table to juliani after he got brought in. that's how the story basically went out for russian. everybody to rush asian, working for giuliani as people like last partners who got a deal with out of chef and got out of jail. i had to say it especially for free and now they're going got strong. so there was a lot of people who betray truck, there's often a single work for the state. and there was

a huge project bypass the are to destroy people like me originally on an center, jobs, us and repressive labels. and those russian agents and hiring people, the direct action law. so this was a whole team and the whole projects to go after people like me. so i don't blame pressure. trump. maybe she knew she did not know this, but from my information, my personal information that i knew the people who were involved in there were people who today's what the trait present trump like, like pop here and when and show the real face. where are they working for people like in ukraine who are connected to service? i published on twitter a couple of months ago and like people are insure it will probably fail. this is our fee and then brought from pay our job. and one of the largest, almost uh, companies in the print for $220000000.00 a year. so this is the real face of the people who went out from their, their trader should not only the president who they work for, but also their own culture because they want to, i want you guys andre,

thank you and stay with us. we're speaking with former ukrainian diplomat, andre intelligent go, we're going to take a short break and when we come back, we'll discuss u. s. policy against russia and how it seems to have just swallowed up our guest stay to the. 2 the what is part of the, the employee would post that isn't the deepest view of us in that, in the world. but is it something deeper, more complex might be present there? let's stop without please, is that scope out of as

the, the. 2 welcome back to the list of lawyers. i'm john kerry, onto were speaking with former ukrainian diplomat, andre talisha, and go about his experience in the united states and working with senior us officials before they turned on him and banned him from the country. good to have you with us, andre. thanks again. thank you. and i want to begin this segment by asking you to

explain something about your experience. it seems to me that you were working with rudy giuliani to collect information about 100 biden's business dealings that the trump administration should have embraced you. and afterward, once the contents of the 100 by the laptop became public and 100 biding, took responsibility for the laptops contents that you should have been hailed as a hero. why was it that the trump administration pushed you away and sanctioned you? what was the reasoning behind that, and did you ever receive any explanation for me that the treasury department or the justice department? i don't believe that i was supposed to be here on the 0. i'm just a regular person who did his job and came out of the truth. i don't want any money or any positions or anything else from anybody. i didn't ask for it. i just did my job and i didn't ask for anything actually not for me originally any or for anybody else, spoke to the trump industries. i've done an apology. after all this happened,

i will not say to which sources and some wrote, but i got an apology from a higher level of sources, official. and the happened to me. and i just said from my, from i just, i don't know what to who was the homeless. it was not people who are close to trump today. those are people who are literally tray trump and my parents compare and people other people who were involved in the situation and does that only because they were involved in us. but also people are from boucher strategies and democratic sites were involved with the dc. they were the most behind on the situation. so my situation here, i'm part of the investigation. i'm just, i'm, i went to school with a big piece in this process on different sides. strictly crating inside from the passenger side of the brain has to be an advisor across the general, or seem to have somebody in the situation. and also working for strategies. people

involved with a 100, pardon joe, by direct. and i know who were involved, who people who were going to get seen in the store and me, and it wasn't the person the chopper his or his cheat. that's one thing. the 2nd of all the people and folders to get you from the beginning, from the, from the chart. from originally i sorry. and within the department of justice, they did not understand what was against against them was a huge machine working. just protects uh to protect their, their candidate vitamin, who was supposed to become the president by any means just to have what we have today and within this world happening. and to continue the politics which were under bama because they needed to stop by this was how bad in our stuff, how bad they were just with the financial. i told the funding just shooting machine, which is which to sort of control that ukraine and they are fighting augustus today

as if i believe. so i think that was their lack of understanding. that was their own big mistake for black. understand what was the goose? and for me today, i understand that the was that since the fugitive was a huge project to this for us, the originally, i mean, i'm sorry, go, sorry, just on the grass and call them was russian ages. and it was a huge scene and the show for the public and not on and actually it's one of the world. so today i understand that it was done directly to disconnect and it's a rush because the rest of the story, the russian hope story, which was still hot at the table. the tire is still on the table today. there's, that's the can i connect to the next 10 years or something i people to try. i've stated that the chinese agency or that is going to be the new hot topic. but today, ever significant to russia, even though the people like me when,

whenever russia for the last 5 years or, or we're not, we're never connected to rush to the situation today. we need to understand that then some more professionalism, people and that will investigate this topic. i'm hungry. i'm the laptop, the, the, the state, the corrections they just of the who is your final guess what stories did or not have brought a guess of them in public, but they still have to continue that 5, even though they're going to get the story. they don't have to stop and they have to understand what they're investigating in the depths that what about the situation in the future will save us and they are stopping much more time because i'm really some, some you get an answer soon. and hopefully, this answer will be given to us in the public. what happened under obama and joe byron restrictions, what corruptions there was involved, and then of hypothesis appliances of such high level. and why the us is its position today. you were that it was being basically thrown out of the global part

of the world because of the lack of political will. and interruption is in politics in united states. you should already saw after joe biden became president more than 50 senior, former c i, a officers wrote an open letter in which they said that the 100 by the laptop quote, had all the hallmarks of and was likely a russian intelligence operation. and quote, that of course, was an outrages lie and the signatories, frankly made fools of themselves. so with all of this known and with you as witness number one against 100 biden, is that why these actions were taken against you so that you would be silenced? yeah, we're going to silence and the probably going to the store and they saw the my section that because your search results to be put on by the court, which means put on i was a political decision. local decision by the government, which blocks in my, travels through the united states,

lots and here on my financial accounts, anywhere in the world. i cannot open up a basic job, even though i'm abroad. the last section in the country where i am the cause of and nobody can open the best time because some red flag for this, this treasury department, the section person was where they put terrace and other bad guys in an old box. so in this situation they start to break me and put me to my knees and i would stop, but i understood i had no other choice to continue this. if i would stop out of debt today, i would not be able to leave you today. i would not be able to uh, uh, fight and for my family and i so i continue with 5 help as to the help of my friends, and today i'm here. where am i? i'm still continue to fight. so all those agencies say, i don't say f b i, they were working all against people like me. i'm gonna take them on the phone,

which i so they work together. so there's other people who are coming out today from washington. and they are telling their story, it has to be blocked by the us. and so just you and you know, job more than anybody else how the story goes through and how that what powers they have to use. it goes to write a personal, comes out and tells the truth. the situation was that they don't want to be told, and we saw, but hunter by the laptop is real. we saw that the evidence that was really made up by any russians or chinese or our teaching is or is really that's how a hunter, by a brother most june with his partner's business partners and his father, the presidency. and i said, joe, bye bye. that's all the vice president. so this all is we'll every, all the witnesses are over the system on your id and the evidence id, my teacher meals with the national security council job i and blue star strategies are real popular fabricated. and we also have to understand this whole info

community they with, with the letters to sign and they're so coming up with good stories today that i'm a russian agent or somebody else. the russian agent is options after shop. and i always come up and say, i'm ready for them to show a proof to show that i'm rushing agents. please show the evidence. i push the public who i am and what i have. they have nothing. i have the senate write letters with this treasury department has to give proofs of sole gentlest evidence that he's the russian agent. they did not even reply to the united states, said, andre, you had your us visa, invalidated. and you are forbidden from flying to the united states. i assume that you have similar problems in and with countries that are allied with the united states. tell us about that experience and about how you make a living now, with the u. s. government actively trying to prevent that. i said i have to see my country praying and i, when the war started back because of the war, but because of the government. so i actually received my plumbers telling me,

reprint directly and measured television was put the, and it shows and the, the, that this basically wrote on twitter and facebook that i would be shot until as being a russian asians. so that's why i have to see brain and the 1st loves up to the war started. so i am a proud right now and then continued to face. i am because. ready the family in france, i am surviving today. thanks to them and thanks to god, i think because i think if it was for him and see people who are around me, i will not be able to. ready today, as i said, i will not stop because of the truth on my side. and i know that this investigation is continuing because they found more and more evidence of congress. and hopefully, when there's going to be a demonstration change in united states, this, that would also be brought to public and justice for research, and maybe a good life back. andre tell us jenko, thank you so much for being with us. and best of luck. one of the things that we

learned as adults is that life simply isn't fair, but many of us also come to learn that karma is real. and as the reverend doctor martin luther king, one said, the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. i want to thank our guest, andre, tell us jenko for joining us today and for telling the story. and thanks to our viewers for tuning into another episode of the whistle, blowers, i'm john kerry onto we'll see you next time. the show room just don't have to shape out because the engagement equals the trail.

when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look so common ground the the whole support of the data rate this of the dead, or is that, that all those who shot and killed people were found anything they tried to hide and move towards ukraine. where according to the preliminary data, a window was prepared for them from the ukranian side across the state port pressure as president vladimir putin in condemning the terrorist attack as a motorist act of intimidation. and says the suspects were trying to flee to ukraine when they were called. the ethel arises to one a $133.00 off the terrorist strike upon console in the russian capital among the