to be able to accelerate the asymmetric warfare that has been most effective on the battlefield. and as i said in keys 3 weeks ago, this supplemental funding will ensure food and faces some nasty surprises on the battlefield. now we've heard from joe political analyst and john list, patrick having saying who says that he's convinced that it's not to, to easy to jump to conclusions that key of his likely behind the attack. there is a lot of real data points with extremists in ukraine. a lot of different fighters have cycled through their in the last couple of years. so there's plenty of evidence to suggest that there are people exactly like this who have either been fighting ukraine or involved in some way, shape or form with the various militant factions and soldiers of fortune mercenaries, whatever you want to call them. all these people who've been fighting in that conflict. so i don't think it's a big leap of speculation to attach this to ukraine. at this point, there is

a trend. there have been multiple attacks for a symmetric attacks inside russian territory. this being the latest. so i think it's, it makes sense to attach it in some way to all of the previous attacks. i think you can expect more of the same. the problem. there's potentially a giant slush fund with all of the money that's pouring into the ukranian conflict . and then internationally to some of these groups, these in the far east group. so there's plenty of resources out there to stage attacks like this for various reasons. and that's something to be really concerned about. so from russia's point of view, unfortunately, this means i think that they're going to be wrapping up surveillance and wrapping up vigilance for the foreseeable future. as we wrap up our program, this our website r t dot com has up to the minute updates on the car. i talked to detain suspects and the latest statements are coming out of my scope and the messages pouring in

from around the well. see you again the the doing the united states issues related to crane are very, very clear cut. russia is bad. ukraine is good period, urban legends become 2nd, even after the mother investigation found that there was no evidence whatsoever of russian involvement in the 2016 american election. the allegation continued to take on a life of it's own. the russians somehow hacked into the election and gave us donald

trump. it's not true, of course, but the truth doesn't really matter after a while. and so ukraine, which the united nation says is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, continues to be the recipient of billions of dollars and usa, russia, russians, and the people who support russia are placed under sanctions. and the international community is polarized at dinner one night, recently i actually had an attorney for the democratic national committee telling me that she believed in her heart. that when donald trump was president, his 1st act every morning was to call president me to receive his orders for the day. that's how ridiculous things have become here. i'm john kerry. ok, welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 2 2 former egyptian president, demo of the nicer one said quote,

the thing about you americans is that you never make clear cut stupid decisions. you only make complicated stupid decisions which make us wonder if there is something to them, which we are missing on quote. i can tell you that after 20 years in the c, i a, and on the staff of the senate foreign relations committee that nasser was right. it's a normal part of business for a stupid decision to be made for everyone in the room to then not an agreement. and then for everyone can double down e and when they recognized that the decision was stupid in the 1st place. welcome to the american foreign policy establishment. our guest today is a former ukranian diplomat who made several mistakes by us standards. he was pro russia. he worked with rudy giuliani and he tried to raise awareness of 100 biden's business dealings in ukraine. andre television go eventually found himself sanctioned by the us treasury department. he had his us visa revoked, and he was placed on the no fly list. he joins us today under intelligent

a welcome to the show. thank you for having me on the show. it's a great, honored to due to your job. andre, you made a career as a ukrainian diplomat. you had success in your field. you made high level contacts in the united states, and then you went into business for yourself. when did that begin to turn for you and why? yeah, it was a long term, long history of my job. going to train governments. i was a advisor to the 1st, every farmer's to refrain over. see you, you printed intelligence, you print military spot for some agency, the advisor to the prostate general refrain. and then we printed from ivan all my field was involved with international relations in contact with the us government to me and government, the just sort of messrs. do some countries throughout the last 15 years. so my career diplomat began long before i became officially diplomat. and i went through

this whole past see what, how the us was developing its politics and ukraine. my own country. i saw from basically from the beginning before my job to of 2014, after my job after the to and how it all the information and how it all laid out the, the loss of sovereignty. it was in my eyes to my country's how we lost. how would we give it to that every day by day? and then i understood for myself, this is not the path that i will fight puncture to develop this, not the path of a sovereign country. i'm an independent function as the all for playing the training to be or democratic function. this is a pass of a proxy country, a public country. and that's when i came out there and 1017 with the truth and, and what's quoted and political article, or 2017, about the training and direction of your selections at how to use the,

the grant. and the, or somebody say to grow grateful of supporting one candidates on the democratic party and try to try to destroy the candidates. and the other side possibly was coming up with the real story. it's not real evidence of the facts, but false evidence, false stories, because this 4 presidents had under donald trump with that to. i have to ask you, are you a russian agent? are you trying to disrupt american elections and to infiltrate the american government? i am not a what is it agents? i wish i was somebody's agent because of the sort of have some support for my family and what understand what future house but i am doing this for my own good. well, and because i believe that i'm a truthful person. i grew up in the west. i grew up in canada as i was 5 years old . when do you ever seen united states? and i was taught to be

a truthful person to god. and this is what my police became basically what i went up against this whole system of us involved with the trains elections and the frame politics. and then you press involvement under the guidance of the big state in the us selections. i myself, when i saw this came out and says, no, this is not well and it was supposed to be, this is not what a come she has to be going through. it has to make its own decisions because such decisions duplicate the direction that to some of these actions that this country will have a bad reputation of that future. so i myself, on my own and this i've got sanction boston sanctioned by the us treasury department. the but the lucian and i, i got thrown on the bus. so i'm, i'm, i'm my own on this. i have to see. i had to see the credit because i was put on the show list on the floor as of jonas, when the war started,

i could sanctioned by my own government. the print on of the project was the last to machine was not everybody know. and i have to flee abroad, not to russia. i had to say abroad to save my life. and that's what i fired for to get my life back. that's i can i just get a job? so i maybe, if i wasn't agent, i would be feeling much, much better, much more possible and i have a much better house and our low that's our future to fight for, for down on friday for my own. just each of the person and my family structure and the future of peace in the brain. tell us about your experience with rudy giuliani juliani had taken an early interest in hunter biden's business dealings in ukraine . you had some information about that. tell us about it. oh, yeah, i oh, no, major julie, i was looking for me to get in contact with me since the beginning of the 2019 uh,

and she got ahold of me on may have the 2019 when i was in washington. as even when we to come and see the new york. so this is split altogether for me. my attraction was uh, manager. yeah. i uh my story was long before that when i came about was uh, lee curry elections long and we are selections. if i choose uh which we strive to have spoke about thats and uh we got the story really, really in the depths with him. and so this was all the game for 7 feet. so my story was long for virginia and was looking into what was that going on with hunter buying. and i'm sure from statuses i used to work for a doctor left, the for medic work at the pre embassy. i got invited to work with some sort strategies, a lobby for a company which uh, work closely and it was the moderator for providing jo by all the business

dealings. and there was, it was covering it up on the political side. so i got ready to work for go as a consulting on the training issues, not only pretty, but also eastern europe issues like lots of young bags. we've worked with people they consulted with. i dealt with other clients, they're dealt directly with the owners of star parents from autonomy, which is a former deputy chief of staff to both of them. and then she was chief of staff and he was going to after struggling to see and then also kind of solid picture. she was invited to the front. so they are the deep state. and that's how i was still going through understanding what was going on with the politics, the crane us side. and i witnessed not only what the district was do, but it would, that's how the big state was working. so such problems as we start, we say about the call, the effect congress to testify didn't get it because they testified in the senate hearings in 2020. when i was also called as a witness,

somebody evidence was used email, some of things in the future. the construct strategies have mattress through the council members on the bike or use of the summer jobs and start grass investigation 2020. but they live with us 102020. so hopefully this time during congress here and still will not lie. it will be called up to the right questions, which will open up what happened afterwards. and they're dealing with dr. biden's and job. i guess they were the ones who were connecting those parts together. blue star strategies was for, i'm a saw shine. i'm covering everything up. the business deals, especially in ukraine. and originally i knew that i was personally involved in working with them and she called me up to your end towards the 2019. and that's when i gave him my part of the story by evidence piece and the situation at for 6 hours we spoke with him in his office in new york, the united states, he, uh,

basically reported me uh for evidence for his uh, investigation. that's how i got involved with sort of, ju, i mean i'm going to be asked to, to help him or any other evidence which would come in to is has to see if it's legit or not legit because you have thousands of pages of documents down from ukraine, different government officials, and the he did not know which was subject or what the 1st law or which was the to get involved. and so that was my role to help them unofficially. i didn't get paid for that. it isn't listed each one of the things that is utterly mystifying to me is why it was the trump administration that went after you. you hadn't been identified as a target by the democrats, because you had embarrassed joe biden. when he was vice president with accusations against hunter, why was it that the trump white house finally went after you? it was the last piece of the trump presidency. that's why i'm the sanctioning of

january 11th, 2021. so. ready so there's going to be that was the style frame where i got sanctions for ready, 13 years, and it, what happens is the last week i think because of so many meanings of the trauma scene were involved in this because the fate works with a tropic restriction for years and they were covering up sources. we understood, we can remember the story with the master and ukraine and which trump wants to fire your volume image. and then each state how the block them helps her drive and get a book signing, get a $1000000.00 for publishing and books. and they basically protected her and jot her to protect against the person who is hired. or he researcher works for the president. i states, but we come and see how these states work against trump, and this is the same situation here. they protected one person here,

the distractions for me, and went after me, try to use the trump and restrictions to do this. compare my initial involved. there are other people who are involved in this is basically political, the destruction of me because they use that. i got to close to the front of present trump circle and that i was respected by the circle. i don't want to say that i'm somebody number water number 2 or the street, which is i'm just a witness to the truth. that's why i've ever stipend for i've been try to have this situation to have any photographs. president trump in his team, but i understood what happened. i knew the people who were involved in this to, to destroy me was asked the i where people like, i'm pretty, are several people who were working with juliani, but they were cover agents for the f, b i, they're the ones that brought their, attached to the table to juliani after he got brought in. that's how the story basically went out for russian. everybody's a russian agent working for giuliani,

as people like last partners who got a deal with out of shift and got out of jail. who had said it, especially for free and others going got strong. so there was a lot of people who betray truck, there's often a single work for the state. and there was a huge project bypass the are just store people like me originally on an center, jobs, us in regressive labels, and those russian agents add hiring people the direct action law. so this was a whole team and the whole projects to go after people like me. so i don't blame pressure. trump, maybe he usually did not know this, but from my information, my personal information that i knew the people who were involved in there were people who today's what the trade present truck looked like pop here and went and showed the real face wherever they were working for people like uh, ukraine, gord connected to service. i published on twitter

a couple of months ago and i like people, i can ship. it will probably fail to see. so i don't see. and then brought from pay or job. and one of the largest, almost uh, companies in the print it for $220000000000.00 a year. so this is the real face of the people who went out from their, their trader should not only the president who they work for, but also their own culture because they want to, i want you guys andre, thank you and stay with us. we're speaking with former ukrainian diplomat, andre intelligent go, we're going to take a short break and when we come back, we'll discuss u. s. policy against russia and how it seems to have just swallowed up our guest stay to the. 2 the,

the the welcome back to the list of lawyers. i'm john kerry, onto were speaking with former ukrainian diplomat. andre tele shingo, about his experience in the united states and working with senior us officials before they turned on him and banned him from the country. good to have you with us, andre. thanks again. if you want to begin this segment by asking you to explain something about your experience, it seems to me that if you were working with rudy giuliani to collect information about 100 biden's business dealings that the trump administration should have embraced you and afterward once the contents of the 100,

by the laptop became public and 100 button took responsibility for the laptops contents that you should have been hailed as a hero. why was it that the trump administration pushed you away and sanctioned you? what was the reasoning behind that? and did you ever receive any explanation for me that the treasury department or the justice department, i don't believe that i was supposed to be on a 0. i'm just a regular person who did his job and came out of the truth. i didn't want any money or any positions or anything else from anybody. i didn't ask for. i just did my job and i didn't ask for anything actually. nothing originally any or for anybody else spoke to the trump industries. i've done an apology. after all this happened, i will not say to which sources and some wrote, but i got an apology from a higher level of sources official. and this happened to me. and i just said from my, from i just, i don't know what, who was the homeless?

it was not people who are close to trump today. those are people who are this will be straight from. and my parents don't pay a and people other people who are, who are involved in the situation and does that only because they were involved in this. but also people are from boucher fridays and democratic sites were involved at the dc. they were the last behind on the situation. so my situation here, i'm part of the most of the issue. i'm just, i'm, i went to school which was a big piece in this process on different sides. strongly crating inside from the passenger side of the brain as being advice across the general or seem to have somebody in the situation. and also working for strategies. people involved with a 100 binding just like direct and i know who were involved in who people were going to get seen in the store and me. and it wasn't the person chopper his or his cheat. and that's why i think 2nd of all, to see the people involved their situation from the beginning, from the,

from the char, from rudy giuliani, sorry. and was on the department of justice. they did not understand what was against against them was a huge machine working. just protects uh to protect their, their candidate bite and court supposed to become the president by any means just to have what we have to do. and this was happening. and to see the politics which were under bama because they needed to stop by this was how bad is in our stuff, how bad the original one we decided for i told the finding just shooting machine, which is what i want you to sort of control that ukraine and they're fighting augustus today as if i believe. so i think that was their lack of understanding. that was their own big mistake for black immersion. what was the ghost? and for me today, i understand that the was that since the fugitive was

a huge project to this for us, the original and me, i'm sorry, go, sorry, just on the grass there and call them was russian ages. and it was a huge scheme and the show for the public and not only relax it's part of the world . so today i understand that it was done directly to disconnect and it's a russian because the rest of the story, the russian hope story, which was still hot at the table. the tire is still on the table today there's, that's the can i connect to the next 10 years or more people to try to stay that their chinese agency or that is going to be the new hot topic. but today, ever, it's connected to russia, even though the people like me when, whenever russia for the last 5 years or, or we're now never connected to rush to the situation today, we need to understand the things to be more professionalism, people, and that will investigate this topic, i'm hungry, i'm the the laptop, the, the,

the state, the corrections that they just found, the, who is your finding guess what stories did or not have brought a guess of them in public, but they still have to continue at 5, even though they're going to get destroyed, they don't have to stop and they have to understand what they're investigating in the depths that what about the situation in the future will save us in the public much more time because i'm really some something to get an answer soon. and hopefully, this answer will be given to us in the public. what happened under obama and joe byron restrictions? what corruption, there was involvement then of hypothesis appliances of such high level and why the us is its position today. you were. and it was being basically thrown out of the global part of the world because of the lack of political will. and interruption is in politics in united states. you should already saw after joe biden became president more than 50 senior, former c i,

a officers wrote an open letter in which they said that the 100 by the laptop quote, had all the hallmarks of and was likely a russian intelligence operation. and quote, that of course, was an outrages lie and the signatories, frankly made fools of themselves. so with all of this known and with you as witness number one against 100 biden, is that why these actions were taken against you so that you would be silenced? yeah, no problem, we're gonna silence and the probably going to the store and they saw that my section that because us time sheets and starts to be put on by the courts, we just put on it was a political decision. local decision by the government, which blocks in my travels through the united states locks and you know, my financial accounts anywhere in the world. i cannot open up a basic job, even though i'm abroad. the last section in the country where i am the cause of

and nobody can open the best time because some red flag for this, this treasury department, the section person was where they put terrace and other bad guys in an old box. so in this situation they start to break me and put me to my knees and i would stop, but i understood i had no other choice to continue this. if i would stop out of debt today, i would not be able to leave you today. i would not be able to uh, uh, fight and for my family and i so i continue with thoughts help as to the help of my friends. and today i'm here where i am, i will still continue the fight. so all those agencies, c a l, say f, b i, they were working all the gaps before me. i'm gonna take them out of the building, which i so they work together. so there's other people are coming out today from washington. and they are telling their story, it has to be blocked by the us. and so just you and i think you know, john, more than anybody else how the story goes through and how does what powers they

have to use. it goes to write a personal, comes out and tells the truth. the situation was that they don't want to be told, and we saw, but hunter by the laptop is real. we saw that the evidence that was really made up by any russians or chinese or our teaching is or is really that's how right onto buy euro's house. you too. but this partners, business partners and his father, the present saying that i said joe, bye bye. that's all the vice president. so this all is we every also witnesses are over the system on your id and the evidence. i give you my teacher meals with the national security council july and boost our strategies are we'll solve enough oxygenated and we also have to understand this whole info can use the with, with the letters to sign and they're so coming up with good storage today that i'm a rush agent or somebody else. the russian agent is options. i have to show proof and i always come up with to say, i'm ready for them to show

a proof to show that i'm a rush of agents. we show that evidence. i've been to the public who i am and what i have, they have nothing. i have the senate write letters with us. treasury department has to give proofs of sole gentlest evidence that he's the russian agent. they did not even reply to the united states, said, andre, you had your us visa, invalidated and you are forbidden from flying to the united states. i assume that you have similar problems in and with countries that are allied with the united states. tell us about that experience and about how you make a living now with the u. s. government actively trying to prevent that. i said i have to see my country, great and i when the war started because of the war, but because of the trained government. so last year machine, my plumbers told me to read print directly and measured television was put in a choice. and they put that this basically wrote on twitter and facebook that i would be shot and killed as being a russian asians. so that's why i have to see brain and the 1st loves up to the war

started. so i am a problem right now. and then since the, the face i am because. ready the family and friends i am surviving today. thanks to several, thanks to god. i think because i think if it was for him and see people who are around me, i would not be able to. ready today, as i said, i will not stop because of the 2 summers side, and i know that this investigation is continuing because they found more and more evidence of congress. and hopefully, when there's going to be a demonstration change in united states this, i would also be brought to public and justice for research. and maybe i got my life back. andre tell us jenko. thank you so much for being with us. and best of luck. one of the things that we learned as adults is that life simply isn't fail, but many of us also come to learn that karma is real. and as the reverend doctor martin luther king, one said, the arc of the moral universe is long, but it tends toward justice. i want to thank our guest under intelligent go for

joining us today and for telling your story. and thanks to our viewers for tuning into another episode of the whistle, blowers, i'm john kerry onto we'll see you next time the. 2 the take a fresh look around, there's a life kaleidoscopic, isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse who really wants a better wells. and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented to this, but can you see through their illusion going underground can

the border of the direct perpetrators of the terrorist attacks. all those who shot and killed people were found and detained. they tried to hide and move towards the training where according to the preliminary data, a window was prepared for them from the ukrainian side across the state. port. russia, as president 14 condemns the terrorist attack of the motorized acts of intimidation and says that the suspects were trying to sleep the train when the quote the, the desk to why is this to a 153 out the total risk to strike attached concept full and the russian capital for the 140 people have been wounded later in the program, we hear from a woman who was caught.